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(The Big Story)   Clap-on: We don't spy on millions of Americans wittingly. Clap-off: My answer was "clearly erroneous." The Clapper   (bigstory.ap.org ) divider line
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2013-07-02 08:15:16 PM  
+1 subby. Great headline.
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2013-07-02 08:16:19 PM  
So, what happens if you lie under oath in front of congress?
 
2013-07-02 08:17:39 PM  
But it was for our own good...
 
2013-07-02 08:19:52 PM  
I can't handle the truth!

or the responsibilities of adulthood. or jack daniels or tequila.

or much of anything, really
 
2013-07-02 08:21:42 PM  

majestic: So, what happens if you lie under oath in front of congress?


Nothing, unless it's you or I.  In which case we would be railroaded until the issue at hand has dropped out of the current news cycle.  That whole city is corrupt and full of dicks.  Dicks everywhere.
 
2013-07-02 08:23:31 PM  
""I realized later Sen. Wyden was asking about ... metadata collection, rather than content collection," Clapper wrote."

2.bp.blogspot.com
Approves.

/all depends on your definition of the word "the"
 
2013-07-02 08:24:02 PM  
"I'm sorry I got caught saying 'no'."
 
2013-07-02 08:24:25 PM  

majestic: So, what happens if you lie under oath in front of congress?


For you or I, probably prison.  For this asshole, nothing.  Maybe even a promotion.
 
2013-07-02 08:26:42 PM  
So if you tell your wife that you didn't fark her sister when she asks, and then later she discovers you did, in fact, fark her sister, is it OK if you then just tell her "Well, I was clearly erroneous in my answer before"?
 
2013-07-02 08:27:57 PM  
binaryapi.ap.org

He frowns upon his own shenanigans
 
2013-07-02 08:29:07 PM  
We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.
 
2013-07-02 08:31:24 PM  

sandbar67: [binaryapi.ap.org image 460x303]

He frowns upon his own shenanigans


Looking at him makes me smell highway rest area men's room soap.
 
2013-07-02 08:31:59 PM  
He didn't need to apologize to Senator Feinstein. She would approve of lying in the national interest.
 
2013-07-02 08:32:04 PM  

majestic: So, what happens if you lie under oath in front of congress?



That depends on who the Attorney General is.
 
2013-07-02 08:33:05 PM  
To an imperial city, nothing is inconsistent which is expedient.
~ Thucydides, 420 BC
 
2013-07-02 08:33:50 PM  

Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.


Take your "rational discussions" and get the fark out of here. Make me laugh by posting a witty comment or funny pic. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

/kidding...well said, and I like your optimism about having a rational discussion
 
2013-07-02 08:36:50 PM  

majestic: So, what happens if you lie under oath in front of congress?


Apparently not much.  Pot and kettle...
 
2013-07-02 08:37:49 PM  
Good thing that his party is in charge. If he was a Republican they would probably have lynched him by now.
 
2013-07-02 08:37:55 PM  
www.charlock.org
 
2013-07-02 08:39:13 PM  
I find it amusing that somewhere in some government database sits a profile of me that includes all the silly stuff I ever posted on Fark.
 
2013-07-02 08:39:28 PM  
They caught the clapper in a lie.
 
2013-07-02 08:40:06 PM  
Don't worry America (and the rest of the world), substantive measures are being enacted to ensure you won't discover details concerning anymore of these programs.

Fark Al Qaeda, its seem its the US government is the ones concerned with keeping their doings secret.
 
2013-07-02 08:40:12 PM  

tmo10: +1 subby. Great headline.
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This!
 
2013-07-02 08:40:39 PM  
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has apologized for telling Congress earlier this year that the National Security Agency does not collect data on millions of Americans, a response he now says was "clearly erroneous. a big fat farking lie, and fark you; you can't do anything about it"

FTFH
 
2013-07-02 08:41:14 PM  

sandbar67: [binaryapi.ap.org image 460x303]

He frowns upon his own shenanigans


i1004.photobucket.com

\memed that for you
 
2013-07-02 08:42:52 PM  

Jesterling: [www.charlock.org image 575x429]


Is that the door to SGC?
 
2013-07-02 08:44:22 PM  
"I have received Director Clapper's letter and believe it speaks for itself."

I agree, it's quite the work of fiction.

also that face of Clappers needs to PSed onto Grumpy cat!
 
2013-07-02 08:44:59 PM  

Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.


Generally, i think the line is drawn where it's reasonably out of your hands.  While it's nice to believe that phone calls, IMs, e-mails, etc. are point to point with nothing in between, it really isn't so, and you really have no expectation that the company/companies providing the services to NOT turn over non-content data to someone, collect it, sell it, or make hay with it. Just hte nature of how businesses make money.

Say nothing in public you don't want others to hear. Write nothing where others may see. Do nothing where others may observe.

This is probably the downside to our culture, too: We live a vast majority of our lives out in the open, in a world where that footprint leaves a LOT of evidence to collect. Don't want to be observed, don't put it out there (or work in such a way as to make yourself indistinguishable from anyone else.)
 
2013-07-02 08:45:19 PM  

OgreMagi: majestic: So, what happens if you lie under oath in front of congress?

For you or I, probably prison.  For this asshole, nothing.  Maybe even a promotion.


To be fair, he didn't lie--he simply misunderstood the question.

/gotta punish or praise him for his "error"
//and punishment would make you look weak

Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.


I think the discussion would be pretty short, given the US Constitution. Google and Facebook aren't the US government--you choose to use their services and they don't have the power or authority to lock you up for the rest of your life.
 
2013-07-02 08:46:41 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: sandbar67: [binaryapi.ap.org image 460x303]

He frowns upon his own shenanigans

[i1004.photobucket.com image 552x332]

\memed that for you


Awesome! I LOL'd.... I gave you a funny vote for that, plus two snaps and a twist!
 
2013-07-02 08:46:44 PM  

Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.


Agreed, but most of the people out there do not want a rational discussion. They want to feel persecuted and blame a side. They want to live in fear so they can blame their political enemies.
 
2013-07-02 08:47:10 PM  
Hey subby. I just wanted to say, that was a fantastic headline. For a good 30 seconds I thought that the Clapper was an instrument of the NSA and had been monitoring citizens since its introduction. I am currently laughing heartily, whilst simultaneously wondering if it really is what I thought it was. <clap>
 
2013-07-02 08:48:17 PM  
LIAR !!
 
2013-07-02 08:49:26 PM  
So he admitted something that is widely uncontroversial: The NSA collects and analyzes metadata.

To make an analogy to the physical world, that's like reading the outside of an envelope: It isn't mail tampering until you look inside the envelope.

So why do we suddenly start caring about the envelope with digital communications?
 
2013-07-02 08:49:44 PM  

Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.


www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
2013-07-02 08:50:16 PM  

tinyarena: To an imperial city, nothing is inconsistent which is expedient.
~ Thucydides, 420 BC


it bears repeating.
 
2013-07-02 08:52:26 PM  

Mark Ratner: Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.

Take your "rational discussions" and get the fark out of here. Make me laugh by posting a witty comment or funny pic. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

/kidding...well said, and I like your optimism about having a rational discussion


To be fair, by "we" I meant the nation as a whole, not the government. I guess that's still fairly unrealistic. Also I'm on my phone, so it's a pain to post pics.
 
2013-07-02 08:52:50 PM  

sandbar67: gozar_the_destroyer: sandbar67: [binaryapi.ap.org image 460x303]

He frowns upon his own shenanigans

[i1004.photobucket.com image 552x332]

\memed that for you

Awesome! I LOL'd.... I gave you a funny vote for that, plus two snaps and a twist!


I gave some one two snaps and a twist once...they didn't get up after that.
 
2013-07-02 08:54:07 PM  
This needs to be nominated for Headline Of The Year.
 
2013-07-02 08:54:16 PM  

Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.



Do you not realize there is a racist white guy on trial in FL? Do you not understand that Kim Kardashian is getting ready to have a baby?
Privacy policy? Ain't nobody got time for that!
 
2013-07-02 08:54:27 PM  
binaryapi.ap.org
ED, I AM DISAPPOINT
 
2013-07-02 08:58:57 PM  

majestic: So, what happens if you lie under oath in front of congress?


Apparently, you post an apology on your Web site and it's all good.
 
2013-07-02 09:00:15 PM  

Omahawg: I can't handle the truth!

or the responsibilities of adulthood. or jack daniels or tequila.

or much of anything, really


I'm good with most hard choices, wont touch Jack (if I wanted dish soap, I'd ask for dish soap) or Tequila.... There are several days around my 21st that are still a mystery... Thanks Tequila Poppers!
 
2013-07-02 09:00:44 PM  

Slappajo: Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.


Do you not realize there is a racist white guy on trial in FL? Do you not understand that Kim Kardashian is getting ready to have a baby?
Privacy policy? Ain't nobody got time for that!


Yo, imma let me finish, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time, OF ALL TIME
 
2013-07-02 09:00:47 PM  
I can't believe he said he was trying to say the "least untruthful" thing he could.  What a maroon!
 
2013-07-02 09:02:00 PM  
Holy Carp:  It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.

I got a kick when Obama pretty much said this a few days ago. Like we have a choice - one of two things happen:

1) Everybody says no more surveillance, NSA says "Fine". Everybody moves on, and NSA starts gathering data again once out of the limelight.

2) The Feds get out their biggest pair of shades and say "Deal With It".
 
2013-07-02 09:02:04 PM  

Enigmamf: So he admitted something that is widely uncontroversial: The NSA collects and analyzes metadata.

To make an analogy to the physical world, that's like reading the outside of an envelope: It isn't mail tampering until you look inside the envelope.

So why do we suddenly start caring about the envelope with digital communications?


Because the government isn't just reading the outside of the envelope, they're keeping the envelope forever, and can read the contents whenever they choose.
 
2013-07-02 09:02:17 PM  
Is "wittingly" even a word?
 
2013-07-02 09:02:39 PM  

Enigmamf: So he admitted something that is widely uncontroversial: The NSA collects and analyzes metadata.

To make an analogy to the physical world, that's like reading the outside of an envelope: It isn't mail tampering until you look inside the envelope.

So why do we suddenly start caring about the envelope with digital communications?


Because when you know where the envelope came from, where it's going, you can identify everyone who has had contact with the envelope, and you can infer, based on the shape, size & nature of the envelope its likely contents, you know a great deal.
When you're intercepting hundreds, possibly thousands of those envelopes a week for every single person, and inferring/gathering all that data, you can trace & track a LOT of information about all of us.

The envelope metaphor really falls down with e-mail and web usage though.  Just knowing how many e-mails someone is receiving from a source, combined with their web-browing history can give an awful lot of private information, and I'd argue that those are the "papers", "possessions" & "effects" that the 4th amendment speaks of...

Besides all else though, the NSA, FBI and anyone else, up to and including Obama (assuming he had knowledge, and authorised), are all guilty of breaking the 4th amendment, and conducting illegal searches/seizures.
I really am surprised someone hasn't handcuffed Obama or other federal officials in the chain of command, and made a citizens arrest.  They've admitted they have committed an act that the US 6th Circuit has in the past confirmed is an offence.  Until the SC rule on it, that ruling from the 6th circuit stands, and so you have bona-fide to arrest them.

I imagine the secret service would probably not look too kindly on you slapping handcuffs on the CinC though...
 
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2013-07-02 09:04:25 PM  

Holy Carp: We need to have a rational discussion about data collection. I don't think that most people are surprised about what the NSA has doing. Who thinks that the NSA is monitoring less than google, Facebook, etc. who cares who did what when? It's in the open now, we need to decide as a nation what we will allow. It will always be security vs privacy, we need to decide where the line needs to be.


Good luck with that.
 
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