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(AZCentral)   More people than ever bringing guns to the airport, including one dude with four loaded guns in his armory. The list of airports with the most guns is what you'd expect. TX, TX, TX, TX, AZ, TX, ATL, FL, CO, and...wtf Seattle?   (azcentral.com) divider line 18
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2013-07-02 08:13:19 PM  
2 votes:

Bravo Two: 've been some places where my choices were break the law and carry concealed, or run a very real risk of getting shot. I won't name names or make admissions, but I do not fault anyone at all who choose to carry a weapon even if it's illegal compared to the chance of needing it and not having it.


If you feel you're an area that if you didn't have a gun you'd be shot, you're a farking idiot to go there or a drama queen cry baby pussy liar.

Morons like you and them are what makes things more difficult for non-derp owners.
2013-07-02 07:29:34 PM  
2 votes:

netizencain: TX is an airport?


Nobody likes a pedant.
2013-07-02 07:25:43 PM  
2 votes:

TheCheese: I would hazard a guess that SEA gets a bump with traffic to and from Alaska for hunting purposes. Lots of folks that go hunting with long-arms also take along a high-powered pistol as a 'bear piece.'


This and the Rural Northwest is a very strange place.
2013-07-03 12:48:35 AM  
1 votes:
MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now, a fire extinguisher, on the other hand...
//to each their own; I just don't get it


Interesting point of comparison. I don't have a strong feeling on conceal or even open carry--I live in the suburbs and don't have any nasty enemies--but in my 1600 sqft house I have 4 large and 3 small fire extinguishers of various kinds. I've never been anywhere near an actual residential fire, but I feel better having them. I suppose the psychology is similiar.
2013-07-02 11:16:14 PM  
1 votes:

Shostie: Did you not read Reamde? There are some gun-toting motherf*ckers up in the Pacific Northwest.


There's several million acres of mountainous forested wilderness up here that doesn't give a shiat about your fancy Starbucks order.  And that's just the west half of the state.

You're goddamn right we roll deep up here when we get off the pavement.  :D
2013-07-02 09:34:29 PM  
1 votes:

Bravo Two: Skyd1v: UPS delivers firearms "Adult Signature Required" to me at my shop at least twice a week. Almost every day during the Ban Scare.

Quite true.

And as stated from the ATF, and backed up by questions to the common carriers in question, anyone may ship themselves a firearm as long as it is legal to possess at the destination, they are the recipient and the ones taking possession of the package, and that it is shipped otherwise within carrier guidelines (overnight delivery, signature required, etc.)


Keep in mind, these people who believe you can't ship a gun via UPS and FedEx are also the ones that think online purchases are some kind of "loophole" where the buyer avoids all laws and rules and can skip the background check.

They believe the anti-gun narrative completely and don't bother to actually look into it and learn that quite a bit of the narrative is factually wrong.  They also don't believe me when I assure them that I've never bought a gun at a gun show where I didn't have a background check. Again, the narrative must be correct in their minds.
2013-07-02 09:21:33 PM  
1 votes:

Another Government Employee: Neither Fedex or UPS allow firearms in their systems.


Incorrect.  Neither Fedex nor UPS prohibits firearms, however they have strict policies regarding them:

The firearm must be shipped from a Fedex/UPS location, and the package must be declared to contain a firearm.

I ship firearms via UPS and Fedex fairly frequently, both as an individual and as an employee at a local gun store.

From Fedex's website:

http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rulestariff/prohibited_articles.html

FirearmsCarrier will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S.or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; orWhere not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).Carrier cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D.Upon presenting the goods for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to Carrier is required to notify Carrier that the shipment contains a firearm. The outside of the package(s) must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package(s) contains a firearm.The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.Carrier will transport small-arms ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Hazardous Materials section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as hazardous materials. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.And, UPS:

http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines /f irearms.html 

Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm, firearm mufflers and silencers are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms.)UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment.Firearms (including handguns) and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally.UPS ReturnsSM Services are not available for packages containing firearms.
2013-07-02 08:57:51 PM  
1 votes:

Bravo Two: Or, it's a conflation of the purpose of being armed. I do not go armed because I fear I may be killed at any time. I choose to carry a gun for the same reason I choose to carry an extra $50 in my wallet, a pocket knife, or a multitool: Some day, I might actually need it. It's of minor inconvenience to wear a firearm, and simply of no import that I have or don't have it unless I actually need to use it.


Wait, earlier you said it was because you would be shot and killed otherwise.  You had to carry a gun to save your life.  Now it's just a possible useful tool that you don't actually need?

You're what makes it harder to expand concealed carry and give the anti-gun people ammunition (hah!) to fight against gun owners.  You have no respect for the rule of law.  You break and law and still consider yourself a responsible and legal gun owner.  Well you're not.
2013-07-02 08:57:10 PM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ryker's Peninsula: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset

Try to imagine that there are real people in real life that will really try and murder you if they ever see you.
Sometimes the mindset is walking around being afraid for your life.

but that's just it: I can't imagine being that afraid

/guess I haven't pissed anyone off that much yet
//yet
///the day ain't over


Who says we're afraid? Who says it's of any more importance than clean underwear or a watch? It's a tool. Yes, a tool with a specific purpose, but if we all knew beforehand what would befall us, we'd never need spare tires, tools, medical kits, vaccinations, condoms, or any other prophylactic item.

I've been carrying for over a decade now, wearing a gun is such a habit anymore that I don't even really notice it, and just put it on when I'm getting dressed like underwear or socks. No more thought goes into it than that. During my day to day, other than cursing when it proves uncomfortable, I literally do not even think about it being there.
2013-07-02 08:53:20 PM  
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: I stupidly took my cousin's 'scenic route' and drove pretty much all along the southern border of WA on my way to see family in Portland, and there were definitely some towns along the way that could give southern redneck towns a run for their money.


Tell me, why is it that "redneck towns" automatically garner a connotation of being undesirable or somehow bad?  Is there some unwritten rule that just because someone is rural and lives in a town that isn't built up with trendy shops and fast food, that they somehow are backwards, uneducated, or bad in some way?

I truly don't understand why people who desire to live a life away from urban areas suddenly makes them bad people.
2013-07-02 08:50:40 PM  
1 votes:

Ryker's Peninsula: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset

Try to imagine that there are real people in real life that will really try and murder you if they ever see you.
Sometimes the mindset is walking around being afraid for your life.


Or, it's a conflation of the purpose of being armed. I do not go armed because I fear I may be killed at any time. I choose to carry a gun for the same reason I choose to carry an extra $50 in my wallet, a pocket knife, or a multitool: Some day, I might actually need it.  It's of minor inconvenience to wear a firearm, and simply of no import that I have or don't have it unless I actually need to use it.

I may not always need an umbrella, but if I'm not otherwise protected from the rain, I'll keep one with me just in case. *shrugs*

I find it interesting that the immediate thought about someone carrying a firearm is that it must involve fear and paranoia of being killed, when no such reasoning was ever expressed?
2013-07-02 08:32:03 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Bravo Two: 've been some places where my choices were break the law and carry concealed, or run a very real risk of getting shot. I won't name names or make admissions, but I do not fault anyone at all who choose to carry a weapon even if it's illegal compared to the chance of needing it and not having it.

If you feel you're an area that if you didn't have a gun you'd be shot, you're a farking idiot to go there or a drama queen cry baby pussy liar.

Morons like you and them are what makes things more difficult for non-derp owners.


On going there -- when one is forced to go there for work-related or unavoidable reasons, there's not much choice.  Is there a reason that this garners insults, that at some point people are forced to go to areas where you have a good chance of being shot?

Case in point. I was required to do a new system setup for a local youth organization that was opening a facility in the roughest neighborhood in town, one where shootings and stabbings are fairly common, and in general, one doesn't go if one is white.

I had no choice, so I went. Thankfully, this is in a state where being armed there was no problem and perfectly legal, but the point remains.

As far as "making it harder"...how on earth could that possibly be true. Unless you're caught carrying a concealed firearm where it's illegal, or you're in possession of a firearm where it's banned (I.e., carrying a firearm in chicago), then the only person on earth that knows you have a gun is you. Unless you behave irresponsibly with it, it remains that way, and no harm is caused to anyone.

Or, are you one of those people that barely tolerates CCW in general, and looks on people who prefer to go armed when in unfamiliar territory, or forced to go to a bad area, as somehow casting a bad image on other gun owners simply because they chose to exercise their right to carry and if need be to act in common, ordinary self defense?
2013-07-02 08:16:30 PM  
1 votes:

revrendjim: TheCheese: I would hazard a guess that SEA gets a bump with traffic to and from Alaska for hunting purposes. Lots of folks that go hunting with long-arms also take along a high-powered pistol as a 'bear piece.'

This is wise, but bring heavy iron. A 9mm just annoys bears.


Hunter: "Oh crap, bear!" *bam-bam-bam*
Kodiak: "Ow. Well, damn, man. I wasn't gonna maul you before, but the guys are watching, I kinda have to now."
2013-07-02 08:06:36 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Maybe 1/50 actually forgets. The rest are arrogant assholes who think they're special or smarter then everyone at the TSA. I know these types; they'll carry concealed even if they don't have a permit in the state they're in.


I've been some places where my choices were break the law and carry concealed, or run a very real risk of getting shot. I won't name names or make admissions, but I do not fault anyone at all who choose to carry a weapon even if it's illegal compared to the chance of needing it and not having it.
2013-07-02 08:04:20 PM  
1 votes:
And Juan Williams from Fox News is worried about Muslims in airplanes. He needs to worry more about his fellow Americans trying to turn the planes into the OK Corral.
2013-07-02 08:03:50 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe 1/50 actually forgets.  The rest are arrogant assholes who think they're special or smarter then everyone at the TSA.  I know these types; they'll carry concealed even if they don't have a permit in the state they're in.
2013-07-02 06:35:38 PM  
1 votes:

R.A.Danny: When is the last time someone was shot at an airport?


Earlier this year, I think
2013-07-02 05:36:48 PM  
1 votes:
I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset
 
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