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2013-07-02 09:27:25 PM

Skyd1v: UPS delivers firearms "Adult Signature Required" to me at my shop at least twice a week. Almost every day during the Ban Scare.


Quite true.

And as stated from the ATF, and backed up by questions to the common carriers in question, anyone may ship themselves a firearm as long as it is legal to possess at the destination, they are the recipient and the ones taking possession of the package, and that it is shipped otherwise within carrier guidelines (overnight delivery, signature required, etc.)
 
2013-07-02 09:33:50 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset


people who are that paranoid probably don't think like me and you to begin with unless you're talking legitimate fear like crazy psychopathic ex husband or a white person living in Detroit etc
 
2013-07-02 09:34:29 PM

Bravo Two: Skyd1v: UPS delivers firearms "Adult Signature Required" to me at my shop at least twice a week. Almost every day during the Ban Scare.

Quite true.

And as stated from the ATF, and backed up by questions to the common carriers in question, anyone may ship themselves a firearm as long as it is legal to possess at the destination, they are the recipient and the ones taking possession of the package, and that it is shipped otherwise within carrier guidelines (overnight delivery, signature required, etc.)


Keep in mind, these people who believe you can't ship a gun via UPS and FedEx are also the ones that think online purchases are some kind of "loophole" where the buyer avoids all laws and rules and can skip the background check.

They believe the anti-gun narrative completely and don't bother to actually look into it and learn that quite a bit of the narrative is factually wrong.  They also don't believe me when I assure them that I've never bought a gun at a gun show where I didn't have a background check. Again, the narrative must be correct in their minds.
 
2013-07-02 09:38:31 PM

Nezorf: TheCheese: I would hazard a guess that SEA gets a bump with traffic to and from Alaska for hunting purposes. Lots of folks that go hunting with long-arms also take along a high-powered pistol as a 'bear piece.'

This and the Rural Northwest is a very strange place.


Or the fact that WA is a "shall issue" state in terms of CPLs (unless that has changed in the past 5 years), meaning that unless there is a valid legal reason why the state cannot issue a concealed carry license, they must issue one within 30 days of the application or tell you why they cannot.
 
2013-07-02 09:40:44 PM

Bravo Two: Another Government Employee: Neither Fedex or UPS allow firearms in their systems.

Incorrect.  Neither Fedex nor UPS prohibits firearms, however they have strict policies regarding them:

The firearm must be shipped from a Fedex/UPS location, and the package must be declared to contain a firearm.

I ship firearms via UPS and Fedex fairly frequently, both as an individual and as an employee at a local gun store.

From Fedex's website:

http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rulestariff/prohibited_articles.html

FirearmsCarrier will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S.or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; orWhere not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).Carrier cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D.Upon presenting the goods for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to Carrier is required to notify Carrier that the shipment contains a firearm. The outside of the package(s) must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package(s) contains a firearm.The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.Carrier will transport small-arms ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Hazardous Materials section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as hazardous materials. You agree not to ship loaded fire ...


The rules have changed quite a bit since I worked for a UPS agent.  My location very nearly got stripped of its franchise when a customer brought in a package which later turned out to have two revolvers in it.  Had an interview with a couple of unsmiling ATF agents as well.
 
2013-07-02 09:45:15 PM

Another Government Employee: The rules have changed quite a bit since I worked for a UPS agent. My location very nearly got stripped of its franchise when a customer brought in a package which later turned out to have two revolvers in it. Had an interview with a couple of unsmiling ATF agents as well.


Yes, but were he and the recipient registered dealers?  Guessing likely not.
 
2013-07-02 09:47:14 PM

SuperNinjaToad: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset

people who are that paranoid probably don't think like me and you to begin with unless you're talking legitimate fear like crazy psychopathic ex husband or a white person living in Detroit etc


Full disclosure: I did, at one time, carry a gun at work. This being when I worked the graveyard shift at a rural 7-11 store the local Sheriff's deputies called "The Stop-n-Rob".

/still never needed it
 
2013-07-02 09:48:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Bravo Two: 've been some places where my choices were break the law and carry concealed, or run a very real risk of getting shot. I won't name names or make admissions, but I do not fault anyone at all who choose to carry a weapon even if it's illegal compared to the chance of needing it and not having it.

If you feel you're an area that if you didn't have a gun you'd be shot, you're a farking idiot to go there or a drama queen cry baby pussy liar.

Morons like you and them are what makes things more difficult for non-derp owners.


Hilltop area of Tacoma. Certain parts of Tillicum outside what is now Joint Base Lewis-McChord (yes, pretty much everyone breaks the name down into three words).

You're not necessarily an idiot to go there because one street can be perfectly safe while the next street over can be a farking warzone if you are not the right skin color. And no, that's not being a drama queen cry baby pussy liar--that's telling the God's honest truth (depending on whether or not you're in a part of the every few years' cycle when they decide to clean it out, or if you're in a part of the cycle when even the COPS won't go there between dusk and dawn--which they will not in some parts of Hilltop--and no, that's not a joke or exaggeration, either).

I firmly believe in being a non-derp owner and having a permit to carry concealed, but I also believe that in the interim, a man or woman has the right to protect themselves from street trash and thugs--especially when the police will not do so.
 
2013-07-02 09:49:32 PM

remus: Another Government Employee: Bravo Two: Picking up someone at the airport? Go armed to the parking lot, then disarm before going into the building so as to be in compliance with the law.

Flying? Unload your firearm and store ammo separately from your pistol, both in locked containers, declare them to the airline, and check them in your luggage. A metal suitcase with in-built security structure to attach the locked containers to a plus.

Or, alternatively, just overnight fedex them to your destination addressed to yourself, provided they're legal where you're going. Less chance of theft, and much easier than dealing with checking firearms through.

Neither Fedex or UPS allow firearms in their systems.

Not even remotely true.

Check into things before you post.  Fedex ships a LOT of guns daily.  How do you think buyers get guns they purchase online?  They are shipped FedEx to the closest gun store (FFL holder to be specific) to you in order for them to do the background check/paperwork and then transfer the gun to you legally.


Unless you have an FFL like I do. I get them shipped straight to my door.

/collector of old guns
 
2013-07-02 09:54:48 PM

toraque: We pack some serious heat up here.  I've recently had to step up to a PaK 40 just to keep the hipsters at bay.


I'd like to see the holster!
 
2013-07-02 09:54:55 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Another Government Employee: The rules have changed quite a bit since I worked for a UPS agent. My location very nearly got stripped of its franchise when a customer brought in a package which later turned out to have two revolvers in it. Had an interview with a couple of unsmiling ATF agents as well.

Yes, but were he and the recipient registered dealers?  Guessing likely not.


A non-dealer owner may ship a firearm to a license holder for repair, refinishing or sale.

Does not work the other way around.  Once the work is done the firearms must be sent to another FFL.
 
2013-07-02 10:03:12 PM

Bravo Two: Picking up someone at the airport? Go armed to the parking lot, then disarm before going into the building so as to be in compliance with the law.

Flying? Unload your firearm and store ammo separately from your pistol, both in locked containers, declare them to the airline, and check them in your luggage. A metal suitcase with in-built security structure to attach the locked containers to a plus.

Or, alternatively, just overnight fedex them to your destination addressed to yourself, provided they're legal where you're going. Less chance of theft, and much easier than dealing with checking firearms through.


You can do that?
 
2013-07-02 10:04:06 PM

homelessdude: My fave paragraph FTFA............
"Raymond Whitehead, 53, of Santa Fe, N.M., who was arrested at Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey in May after screeners spotted 10 hollow-point bullets in his carry-on bag. Whitehead, who is completely blind, also had a .38 caliber Charter Arms revolver in his checked bag that he had failed to declare."

umm...ok

I guess if Hans Solo can get a good shot off at the Sarlacc, then any blind person should be able to swing a gun with hollow points.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 160x131]


...

Is there some kind of Daredevil shiat going on? I mean, WTF?!
 
2013-07-02 10:17:34 PM

Medic Zero: Bravo Two: Picking up someone at the airport? Go armed to the parking lot, then disarm before going into the building so as to be in compliance with the law.

Flying? Unload your firearm and store ammo separately from your pistol, both in locked containers, declare them to the airline, and check them in your luggage. A metal suitcase with in-built security structure to attach the locked containers to a plus.

Or, alternatively, just overnight fedex them to your destination addressed to yourself, provided they're legal where you're going. Less chance of theft, and much easier than dealing with checking firearms through.

You can do that?


Yep. Just alert your hotel you are expecting a package, and ship it such that its delivered after your arrival. Or ship to a friend's address.
 
2013-07-02 10:18:34 PM
So, according to TFA,  there was a gun hidden in a cassette deck.

A cassette deck?  Really?   Umm,  1980 is calling.....
 
2013-07-02 10:39:01 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset


If part of your job means encountering situations where you might be forced to defend yourself, I can see the need. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with you.
 
2013-07-02 11:16:14 PM

Shostie: Did you not read Reamde? There are some gun-toting motherf*ckers up in the Pacific Northwest.


There's several million acres of mountainous forested wilderness up here that doesn't give a shiat about your fancy Starbucks order.  And that's just the west half of the state.

You're goddamn right we roll deep up here when we get off the pavement.  :D
 
2013-07-02 11:42:18 PM

hundreddollarman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset

If part of your job means encountering situations where you might be forced to defend yourself, I can see the need. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with you.


You say that like "need" enters into it.
 
2013-07-03 12:09:13 AM

Bravo Two: ladyfortuna: I stupidly took my cousin's 'scenic route' and drove pretty much all along the southern border of WA on my way to see family in Portland, and there were definitely some towns along the way that could give southern redneck towns a run for their money.

Tell me, why is it that "redneck towns" automatically garner a connotation of being undesirable or somehow bad?  Is there some unwritten rule that just because someone is rural and lives in a town that isn't built up with trendy shops and fast food, that they somehow are backwards, uneducated, or bad in some way?

I truly don't understand why people who desire to live a life away from urban areas suddenly makes them bad people.


I never said it makes them bad people. I said they were similar places.

My personal opinion is it depends entirely on the 'redneck' you talk to; there's a spectrum that goes from college educated but preferring the simple rural life to the ones that marry cousins and wouldn't know a critical thought if it tried to get in a bar fight with them. I've known mostly the more educated types, but encountered a few of the latter when I was delivering car/tractor parts to some places that were way off the beaten path.
 
2013-07-03 12:30:25 AM

HeWhoHasNoName: Shostie: Did you not read Reamde? There are some gun-toting motherf*ckers up in the Pacific Northwest.

There's several million acres of mountainous forested wilderness up here that doesn't give a shiat about your fancy Starbucks order.  And that's just the west half of the state.

You're goddamn right we roll deep up here when we get off the pavement.  :D


Reminds me that I need shells before I take the family camping.

\we go camping where only the hills can hear you
 
2013-07-03 12:46:32 AM
The only way I'd go near Seattle is armed. A lot.
 
2013-07-03 12:48:35 AM
MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now, a fire extinguisher, on the other hand...
//to each their own; I just don't get it


Interesting point of comparison. I don't have a strong feeling on conceal or even open carry--I live in the suburbs and don't have any nasty enemies--but in my 1600 sqft house I have 4 large and 3 small fire extinguishers of various kinds. I've never been anywhere near an actual residential fire, but I feel better having them. I suppose the psychology is similiar.
 
2013-07-03 12:56:33 AM
Plenty of gun nuts around here. Many from out of town pass through too. While we might seem libby mclib from the outside, but this place has a long history of gun nuts, violent shooters, and guys taking people (or themselves) out just because.

Big tragedy just last week, some wit-dim with a collection was driving around the state park shooting .. killed a 15 year old girl on her birthday. Didn't even know hew. Just randomly firing a gun, because, freedom. Actually we don't know yet why, they haven't released his idiot version of things.

Guns and the Northwest are joined at the hip, and it's legal to walk around. Seattle's the anomaly, there's the 99% of the rest of the Northwest ... guns guns and more guns.
 
2013-07-03 12:59:45 AM
 
2013-07-03 01:05:29 AM

Oreamnos: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
/now, a fire extinguisher, on the other hand...
//to each their own; I just don't get it

Interesting point of comparison. I don't have a strong feeling on conceal or even open carry--I live in the suburbs and don't have any nasty enemies--but in my 1600 sqft house I have 4 large and 3 small fire extinguishers of various kinds. I've never been anywhere near an actual residential fire, but I feel better having them. I suppose the psychology is similiar.


I have, on several occasions, found myself in situations where a fire extinguisher would be very useful

/never a gun, though
//just my experience
 
2013-07-03 01:09:26 AM

ladyfortuna: Bravo Two: ladyfortuna: I stupidly took my cousin's 'scenic route' and drove pretty much all along the southern border of WA on my way to see family in Portland, and there were definitely some towns along the way that could give southern redneck towns a run for their money.

Tell me, why is it that "redneck towns" automatically garner a connotation of being undesirable or somehow bad?  Is there some unwritten rule that just because someone is rural and lives in a town that isn't built up with trendy shops and fast food, that they somehow are backwards, uneducated, or bad in some way?

I truly don't understand why people who desire to live a life away from urban areas suddenly makes them bad people.

I never said it makes them bad people. I said they were similar places.

My personal opinion is it depends entirely on the 'redneck' you talk to; there's a spectrum that goes from college educated but preferring the simple rural life to the ones that marry cousins and wouldn't know a critical thought if it tried to get in a bar fight with them. I've known mostly the more educated types, but encountered a few of the latter when I was delivering car/tractor parts to some places that were way off the beaten path.


Having grown up in the rural Northwest, and having lived in the rural South for a while, the difference as I see it:

South: friendly, but not kind -- pleasant and always well-mannered but, push come to shove, if you're not "one of their kind" (variously defined), you can rot for all they care.

Northwest: kind, but not friendly -- cold, sometimes off-putting people, who will nevertheless do just about anything required to help you out if you're in a bad way, whoever you are.
 
2013-07-03 01:58:40 AM

revrendjim: TheCheese: I would hazard a guess that SEA gets a bump with traffic to and from Alaska for hunting purposes. Lots of folks that go hunting with long-arms also take along a high-powered pistol as a 'bear piece.'

This is wise, but bring heavy iron. A 9mm just annoys bears.


You could manage with a five iron, really.
 
2013-07-03 02:12:21 AM
and...wtf Seattle?

Not surprising. The entirety of S. King County is borderline 'hood.
 
2013-07-03 03:18:33 AM

Pichu0102: revrendjim: TheCheese: I would hazard a guess that SEA gets a bump with traffic to and from Alaska for hunting purposes. Lots of folks that go hunting with long-arms also take along a high-powered pistol as a 'bear piece.'

This is wise, but bring heavy iron. A 9mm just annoys bears.

You could manage with a five iron, really.


There are Grizzly bears and then there are Kodiak bears. In AK, neither are afraid of humans or guns, and both can take mid sized rounds while charging.

\how do you tell the difference between bear dung and Kodiak bear dung?
\\the Kodiak smells like bear repellent and has tourist in it
 
2013-07-03 03:39:01 AM
SOP at the Anchorage airport are any flights boarding from the downstairs area ( in state flights) don't go through metal detectors or any TSA nonsense. Whether or not there are handguns in the carry on luggage is something no one speaks about.

I myself carry a .44 out in the bush, but it is definitely as a "last resort". On the couple of occasions I have had a bear encounter I had plenty of time to reach for the 300 WinMag first. ( never had to shoot, bears have always lost interest so far )


I grew up in the flight path for Lake Hood, son... I know all about the gun situation in Alastucky. I didn't care to spend a lot of time in the Bush, but my brother carried a .357 Mag as a bear piece.
 
2013-07-03 03:43:27 AM

revrendjim: This is wise, but bring heavy iron. A 9mm just annoys bears.


gozar_the_destroyer: There are Grizzly bears and then there are Kodiak bears. In AK, neither are afraid of humans or guns, and both can take mid sized rounds while charging.

\how do you tell the difference between bear dung and Kodiak bear dung?
\\the Kodiak smells like bear repellent and has tourist in it


How does the old joke go? If you're gonna take a 9mm, best file the sights off of it first so it won't hurt so much when the bear sticks it where the sun don't shine?
 
2013-07-03 07:14:40 AM
Case in point. I was required to do a new system setup for a local youth organization that was opening a facility in the roughest neighborhood in town, one where shootings and stabbings are fairly common, and in general, one doesn't go if one is white.

I had no choice, so I went. Thankfully, this is in a state where being armed there was no problem and perfectly legal, but the point remains.


How did the gun protect you? Seriously. Your description is pretty much the neighborhood I lived in for a decade in NYC, and guess what? I didn't get shot! Nor do I see how a gun would have possibly protected me - if I was to get shot, it would most likely have been in a crossfire. Is the gun magical? I have a feeling a lot of the people getting shot in the neighborhood had guns too - did their guns not protect them?
 
2013-07-03 08:10:44 AM

Calipataa: Case in point. I was required to do a new system setup for a local youth organization that was opening a facility in the roughest neighborhood in town, one where shootings and stabbings are fairly common, and in general, one doesn't go if one is white.

I had no choice, so I went. Thankfully, this is in a state where being armed there was no problem and perfectly legal, but the point remains.

How did the gun protect you? Seriously. Your description is pretty much the neighborhood I lived in for a decade in NYC, and guess what? I didn't get shot! Nor do I see how a gun would have possibly protected me - if I was to get shot, it would most likely have been in a crossfire. Is the gun magical? I have a feeling a lot of the people getting shot in the neighborhood had guns too - did their guns not protect them?


The gun itself did nothing -- I was never confronted by someone with an intent to do harm. Had I been, the gun would have given me at least an equal chance to defend myself, or remove him or her from the gene pool and keep them from hurting anyone else.
 
2013-07-03 01:22:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what it's like to go through life thinking you need to be armed at all times?

/I simply don't understand the mindset


I don't understand your mindset either. The difference being, I don't impose mine on yours.

The more you know.
 
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