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(SFGate)   Today is the 50th anniversary of perhaps the best two-man pitching performance of all time: Giants vs. Braves, Marichal vs. Spahn, a 16-inning complete game for both pitchers that ended 1-0 after a Willie Mays walk-off HR in the 16th   (sfgate.com) divider line 28
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2013-07-02 03:20:54 PM
See, kids, this is what baseball used to be like.  Not only did both pitchers throw 16-inning complete games (both throwing shutouts until the bottom of the 16th), but Spahn was an old man at the time, by baseball standards anyway.  It was impressive enough for a kid like Marichal to do it, but Warran Spahn was 42 years old at the time!

I think we can safely assume that we will never see a game anythinglike that again.  Unfortunately.
 
2013-07-02 05:29:25 PM
Pitcher's duels are so goddamn boring. "Hey, let's take an already pretty boring game and remove the part where the action takes place."
 
2013-07-02 05:41:32 PM
 
2013-07-02 05:49:01 PM

Lando Lincoln: Pitcher's duels are so goddamn boring. "Hey, let's take an already pretty boring game and remove the part where the action takes place."


Oh, I think I see where the confusion is. In baseball, unlike football or basketball, gamblers do not dictate the outcome of games.  Umpires are simply incompetent.  So there is no overarching group who "removes the action".

Follow?
 
2013-07-02 06:08:25 PM
First we'll use Spahn
then we'll use Sain
Then an off day
followed by rain
Back will come Spahn
followed by Sain
And followed
we hope
by two days of rain.
 
2013-07-02 06:30:06 PM
 
2013-07-02 06:41:52 PM
And you try telling the youth of today that and they won't believe you.
 
2013-07-02 06:49:47 PM
That's nothing, Marlins starters have gone 18 innings without allowing a run.
 
2013-07-02 07:00:56 PM

haemaker: The box score.


Its amazing to see how few position players were used.  Nowadays a 16 game box score reads like an all-star game boxscore.
 
2013-07-02 07:01:22 PM

downstairs: haemaker: The box score.

Its amazing to see how few position players were used.  Nowadays a 16 game box score reads like an all-star game boxscore.


Ugh.... 16 inning.
 
2013-07-02 07:01:52 PM

Super Chronic: That's nothing, Marlins starters have gone 18 innings without allowing a run.


I'm sure you're trolling/being sarcastic because that's certainly not particularly noteworthy, but including the games before and after the game discussed in TFA, Giants pitchers went 25 innings without giving up a run.  And just last year (June 24-28), the Giants pitching staff pitched 4 shutouts in a row, for 0 runs over 36 innings.
 
2013-07-02 07:12:27 PM

Cyberluddite: Super Chronic: That's nothing, Marlins starters have gone 18 innings without allowing a run.

I'm sure you're trolling/being sarcastic because that's certainly not particularly noteworthy


Yes.

They made another thread about it -- quite literally a "break up the Marlins" thread.
 
2013-07-02 07:23:39 PM

downstairs: haemaker: The box score.

Its amazing to see how few position players were used.  Nowadays a 16 game box score reads like an all-star game boxscore.


True, but it's worth noting that those were two pretty damn good starting lineups.  In addition to the two Hall of Fame start ing pitchers in that game, the Braves had the game's all-time most prolific (non-'roided) home run hitter batting third, while the Giants had who I would argue is the greatest baseball player of the past 75 years, and quite possibly of all time, hitting second(?!?) in their lineup, with several other future Hall of Famers in the lineup for both teams, including Eddie Matthews, Cepada, and McCovey (playing OF rather than 1B that day so the Giants could find spots for Cepeda, Mays, McCovey  and Alou in the game).  But yeah, different era, and the starters stayed in the game in those days until the bitter end unless there was a damn good reason for them to be replaced.  And in a modern extra-inning game (in the NL, at least), a lot of position players get replaced on double-switches when there are mid-inning pitching changes late in the game, which obviously didn't occur in that game.
 
2013-07-02 07:27:11 PM

Lando Lincoln: Pitcher's duels are so goddamn boring. "Hey, let's take an already pretty boring game and remove the part where the action takes place."


Oh, give MLB a break. The last World Series average TV rating beat a rerun of The Big Bang Theory.
 
2013-07-02 07:30:10 PM
This is the most underrated Greatest Game in the live ball era.
 
2013-07-02 07:32:20 PM

haemaker: Lando Lincoln: Pitcher's duels are so goddamn boring. "Hey, let's take an already pretty boring game and remove the part where the action takes place."

Oh, I think I see where the confusion is. In baseball, unlike football or basketball, gamblers do not dictate the outcome of games.  Umpires are simply incompetent.  So there is no overarching group who "removes the action".

Follow?


I disagree.  I love the home run derbies the hopped up players do these days...but once a week a really good pitcher's duel is beautiful stuff to watch.  What is really sad is we've sabermetric'd the game into oblivion, so even if you're pitching a goddamn perfect game, you get yanked after 86.3453232 pitches.  It's disgusting.

/too young to see that game, but I know greatness when I read/watch it.
 
2013-07-02 07:38:16 PM

Lando Lincoln: Pitcher's duels are so goddamn boring. "Hey, let's take an already pretty boring game and remove the part where the action takes place."


Why would you bother watching a sport you clearly don't understand?
 
2013-07-02 07:45:09 PM
I like a nice pitching dual, I really do, but by inning 12 I would have been headed for the exit or asleep in the stands.
 
2013-07-02 08:01:01 PM
Funny. My dad talks about going to this game when he was a kid. His mom was insistent that she didn't want to go to a double header, because it takes so damn long. Well, it was just one damn long game.
 
2013-07-02 08:13:18 PM
Also nominees for the title:

5/2/1917 - Toney vs Vaughn

Toney 10 no-hit innings, complete game win, Vaughn 9 no-hit innings, gave up one hit in 10th and lost 1-0

5/26/1959 - Haddix vs Burnette

Haddix pitched 12 perfect innings, in 13th runner reached on an error, was sacrificed to second, next batter was intentionally walked, and Joe Adcock hit a home run.  While rounding the bases, Adcock passed a runner (Hank Aaron) and was called out.  Home run became a double, and the final was 1-0.  Lew Burdette pitched 13 shutout innings to get the win.
 
2013-07-02 08:15:11 PM

crotchgrabber: Funny. My dad talks about going to this game when he was a kid. His mom was insistent that she didn't want to go to a double header, because it takes so damn long. Well, it was just one damn long game.


When I was a kid, I convinced my parents to take me to an Oakland A's double-header (I am old, so when I was a kid, regularly-scheduled double-headers still existed--they weren't just uses to make up games after rainouts and such as they are now), against the Twins or the Brewers (A.L version) or some such team.  It was an afternoon start, probably noon or 1 p.m.  Well, Game 2 was 15 or 16 or 17 innings, so it would up essentially being as long as a triple-header.  There were plenty of pitching changes, of course, so the game dragged on and on.  It was getting dark by the time we left the ballpark, even though the first game had started right at mid-day.  And yes, we stayed for the whole damn thing, both games--I was basically taught that it was a sin to leave a baseball game early, unless possibly late in the game when your team was absolutely getting their asses handed to them, and probably not even then.
 
2013-07-02 08:18:00 PM

Cyberluddite: crotchgrabber: Funny. My dad talks about going to this game when he was a kid. His mom was insistent that she didn't want to go to a double header, because it takes so damn long. Well, it was just one damn long game.

When I was a kid, I convinced my parents to take me to an Oakland A's double-header (I am old, so when I was a kid, regularly-scheduled double-headers still existed--they weren't just uses to make up games after rainouts and such as they are now), against the Twins or the Brewers (A.L version) or some such team.  It was an afternoon start, probably noon or 1 p.m.  Well, Game 2 was 15 or 16 or 17 innings, so it would up essentially being as long as a triple-header.  There were plenty of pitching changes, of course, so the game dragged on and on.  It was getting dark by the time we left the ballpark, even though the first game had started right at mid-day.  And yes, we stayed for the whole damn thing, both games--I was basically taught that it was a sin to leave a baseball game early, unless possibly late in the game when your team was absolutely getting their asses handed to them, and probably not even then.


The only Niners game I made last season was the tie with The Rams. I left angry, tired and drunk when it was over. Got to sleep the whole way back though which was nice.
 
2013-07-02 08:50:25 PM
In marginally related news, the Reds' starter is perfect thru six innings against the Giants.
 
2013-07-02 09:31:54 PM

JayCab: In marginally related news, the Reds' starter is perfect thru six has a no-no through seven innings against the Giants.

 
2013-07-02 09:55:01 PM
Eight.
 
2013-07-02 09:56:45 PM
Bailey got the no-hitter.  1 walk.
 
2013-07-02 10:45:43 PM
Best hit of that game was by Marichal.

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2013-07-03 11:11:13 AM

Uncle Pooky: Lando Lincoln: Pitcher's duels are so goddamn boring. "Hey, let's take an already pretty boring game and remove the part where the action takes place."

Why would you bother watching a sport you clearly don't understand?


What part of the game am I missing, exactly?
 
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