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(Mother Jones)   Metadata schmetadata. The NSA is actually recording every call made every day   (motherjones.com) divider line 16
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2013-07-02 06:02:12 PM
9 votes:
This is actually not all that surprising, if you consider what happened to me last week.  I was out at the park trying to call my friend Jim on a pay phone to score some weed, and this dude came up and started banging on the phone booth like he wanted to use it.  I was like, dude, I'm trying to score some weed, but he just kept banging and screeching at me.  Just let it go, man, I said, but then people were screaming and running because I think he was actually a howler monkey or something and then animal control showed up and I never got my weed because I got arrested for being naked in public, also they apparently haven't had pay phones there for a couple years now so I don't know what all that was about.

So yeah, I can totally see this happening.
2013-07-02 05:36:53 PM
7 votes:
Yes, but it's just for quality assurance.
2013-07-02 05:53:33 PM
5 votes:
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2013-07-02 06:43:18 PM
3 votes:

cannotsuggestaname: There is a reason they have 5 ZB in SLC and another 2.5 in San Antonio. They didn't just put that crazy amount of storage capability out there because ZOMG SO COOL!

They did it because of intercepts

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2013-07-03 12:32:04 AM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: I wonder if it would be possible to encrypt your data transmission in such a way that it does something malicious to whatever it's stored on -- or, at the very least, defeats storage of itself.


Damn, dude, someday you'll end up farkied in green if you keep this up.

/I have no doubt /b/ is working on that right this second
//I doubt it would work, but it'd be really freakin' hilarious if someone did that and looped an hour of Oppan Gangnam Style
2013-07-03 12:27:44 AM
1 votes:

jars.traptone: unlikely: This is simply technically impossible.

I'm not saying they wouldn't if they could, but the technology does not exist.

You ever listen to the sound quality on a cellphone? Even on the top-notch devices, it's shiat. There's a reason for that.


Even if it was technically possible, it wouldn't make any god damn sense. It's a horrible strategy to assist in any kind of investigation. Almost every single compressed piece of information will never be relevant to any investigation and almost none of it will ever be accessed through legal warrant.

This type of shiat doesn't make sense. Not even for a movie style, draconian dictatorship. Anyone with the access to such levels of technology and knowledge would understand that it is a ridiculous waste of resources.

They do not care about stopping terrorism or oppressing people that much. There is a very real technological and monetary cost when it comes to saving or oppressing lives and this kind of program would blow past that bottom line at lightning speed.

We are simply not that important to them, whether they prefer to help or harm or control us. The don't care enough for this level of insanity.
2013-07-02 11:48:52 PM
1 votes:

sendtodave: DustBunny: or

5) They are targeting specific people with a warrant that's easy to get if a specific set of parameters and evidence thresholds are met, leading to a near perfect approval rate for warrants because they're consistently meeting the requirements

How broad is this "specific set?"


Do you need the hexidecimal values or is "brown" specific enough?
2013-07-02 10:50:57 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: We've built Skynet but instead of national defense we made him a voyeur.


That's an unfair characterization.

Mr. Clapper specifically said that the  "NSA does not voyeuristically pore through U.S. citizens' emails."

They still pore through them, but they aren't voyeurs!
2013-07-02 10:42:17 PM
1 votes:

mayIFark: James F. Campbell: I wonder if it would be possible to encrypt your data transmission in such a way that it does something malicious to whatever it's stored on -- or, at the very least, defeats storage of itself.

Start talking in SQL?


And hope the entire intelligence apparatus goes down because the NSA forgot to sanitize data inputs?  I suppose it's worth a shot.
2013-07-02 10:41:33 PM
1 votes:
I don't know. I've done as many illegal drug deals on my cell as the next guy and I've made out okay.

I think this is just a cover up for the nation's real problem, junk mail and phone books.

Think about it. Does anyone actually ever
2013-07-02 10:27:37 PM
1 votes:
Is anyone here compiling a list of Fark handles that are being used by obvious NSA agents or flacks for the military-industrial complex?
2013-07-02 08:05:28 PM
1 votes:

cannotsuggestaname: There is a reason they have 5 ZB in SLC and another 2.5 in San Antonio. They didn't just put that crazy amount of storage capability out there because ZOMG SO COOL!

They did it because of intercepts.



They have that much storage space for their awesome Netflix subscription, obviously.

Look, they collect all the metadata because it's the indexing system for the phone calls.  It's the card catalog, which allows them to find and pull the content of the recorded phone calls.

Everything is being captured.  All of it, all the time.
2013-07-02 07:46:19 PM
1 votes:

LewDux: unlikely: This is simply technically impossible.

I'm not saying they wouldn't if they could, but the technology does not exist.


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2013-07-02 07:32:21 PM
1 votes:
good thing the only word I ever say on the phone is "fart".

/I use inflection and tone to get my meaning across
//it's an art form, really
2013-07-02 05:54:07 PM
1 votes:

unlikely: This is simply technically impossible.

I'm not saying they wouldn't if they could, but the technology does not exist.


You sure?

Consider:

* De-duplication
* Things the average American talks about.
2013-07-02 05:25:36 PM
1 votes:
Horseshiat.

Or at a minimum, there's a lot of qualifiers missing there.

Cell phone calls produce an amount of data daily that is surely exponentially greater than the production rate of the various storage media. There are 315,000,000 people in the US alone, probably 95% of whom make at least one and potentially dozens of phone calls per day. 99.99% of those calls are utterly useless to anyone - hairdressers ordering pizza, teenage girls talking about OMG how hunky Brett from the lacrosse team is, etc. The costs of storing all of that data would be astronomical, even IF the physical capacity existed.

And that doesn't even touch on a lot of other problems, like throwaway prepaid phones, people with 35 different email addresses all registered under BS data via proxies, etc. Yes, they can crack it, but that's time consuming, and for what? To figure out that some guy in West Memphis better deliver that pound of pot like he said he would, or he is gonna get his ass kicked?

This smacks of hysteria and/or a poor description.

Either:

1. They are storing everything for a very finite period of time. Like, a day, or a couple of weeks, tops
2. They are profiling and storing everything for a very few and just doing metadata for everyone else
3. They're saving time and effort and just doing the metadata for most things.

I'll believe they have the capacity to listen in on anyone in real time, and that they can record whomever they want, whenever they want. They've probably had that ability for 10 years. But they're not recording everything live all the time and storing it forever. They simply don't have the ability yet.

Unless 4. they have discovered some absurd new technology, like an unreal compression algorithm, or quantum data storage, or some such.

But I'll believe it's coming.
 
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