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(Some Guy)   Meet the new biofuel-ready, 46-mpg, turbo-diesel... Chevy?   (web2carz.com) divider line 51
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2013-07-02 02:33:00 PM  
So sweet.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 02:34:15 PM  
I had a Chevy diesel once before.  I think I'll pass.
 
2013-07-02 02:36:30 PM  
it's about farking time
 
M-G
2013-07-02 02:37:34 PM  
Well, that article was certainly light on the details.  Free diesel fluid top-offs?  So....they're doing urea injection?  Seems they could have devoted a more sentences to the new powertrain, rather than the interior bits that are going to be common across all of them.  More info on the aero tweaks would have been good as well.
 
2013-07-02 02:40:24 PM  
In other news, oil companies raise the price of diesel.
 
2013-07-02 02:40:50 PM  
As far as domestic makers go I would be more interested if it were Ford. Never liked the feel of most Chevys, and I hate the styling of their entire lineup right now (Corvette excluded). That said, this does look tempting.
 
2013-07-02 02:43:01 PM  
I had a 1984 Ford Tempo diesel that got 48 mpg. It ran for 270k before I traded it in.
The cruise control never worked.
There was a chronic issue with the thermostat/cooling system that was never resolved either. It only got hot on extended grades (5 miles or more at 6% or more.
At the time diesel was still substantially less expensive than unleaded.
Never a dime on repairs or maintenance. Not one oil change.
 
2013-07-02 02:43:19 PM  

vpb: I had a Chevy diesel once before.  I think I'll pass.


It's not 1975 any more Frank.
 
2013-07-02 02:43:43 PM  
Ooh shiny plastic that is years to late to the European diesel party - I'm so impressed.

/ Thanks alot Obama!
 
2013-07-02 02:46:29 PM  

M-G: Well, that article was certainly light on the details.  Free diesel fluid top-offs?  So....they're doing urea injection?  Seems they could have devoted a more sentences to the new powertrain, rather than the interior bits that are going to be common across all of them.  More info on the aero tweaks would have been good as well.


Is there a diesel manufacturer that is not using urea to meet emissions now adays?
 
2013-07-02 02:47:35 PM  

vpb: I had a Chevy diesel once before.  I think I'll pass.


It's virtually certain that the engine in the thing is going to be an imported Opel or very possibly Peugeot design, rather than the converted gasoline abortion that was the Oldsmobile diesel of a few decades ago.  Not even the General could make that mistake twice.
 
2013-07-02 02:48:24 PM  
Looks neat. I will check it out.
 
2013-07-02 02:48:30 PM  
Looks like that article's webhost is about as reliable as a diesel Chevy.
 
2013-07-02 02:48:34 PM  
i1109.photobucket.com

I am intrigued and hopeful.
 
2013-07-02 02:57:08 PM  
A co-worker's 2012 Chevy Cruze just broke down on him on the way home stranding him in the HOV lane last week.  It started overheating so he stopped and had it towed.  The water pump failed and had leaked most of the coolant out.

It had just over 6,000 miles on it and he's changed the oil once.

Nice try Chevy.
 
2013-07-02 03:01:19 PM  

Saiga410: M-G: Well, that article was certainly light on the details.  Free diesel fluid top-offs?  So....they're doing urea injection?  Seems they could have devoted a more sentences to the new powertrain, rather than the interior bits that are going to be common across all of them.  More info on the aero tweaks would have been good as well.

Is there a diesel manufacturer that is not using urea to meet emissions now adays?


Mazda Skyactive-D
 
2013-07-02 03:10:28 PM  

Elzar: Ooh shiny plastic that is years to late to the European diesel party - I'm so impressed.

/ Thanks alot Obama!


European like Opel or Vauxhaull?
 
2013-07-02 03:11:50 PM  

k4mi: A co-worker's 2012 Chevy Cruze just broke down on him on the way home stranding him in the HOV lane last week.  It started overheating so he stopped and had it towed.  The water pump failed and had leaked most of the coolant out.

It had just over 6,000 miles on it and he's changed the oil once.

Nice try Chevy.


You know someone who had one car that once had a problem?  Oh, no!!
 
2013-07-02 03:13:05 PM  

Saiga410: M-G: Well, that article was certainly light on the details.  Free diesel fluid top-offs?  So....they're doing urea injection?  Seems they could have devoted a more sentences to the new powertrain, rather than the interior bits that are going to be common across all of them.  More info on the aero tweaks would have been good as well.

Is there a diesel manufacturer that is not using urea to meet emissions now adays?


The Volkswagen TDIs Jetta/Golf/Beetle/Passat don't use urea.  They do use urea injection in the diesel Touareg.

My wife has a 2009 TDI Jetta and I have a 2010 TDI Golf.  They're both incredibly inexpensive to drive.
 
2013-07-02 03:16:32 PM  

meanmutton: Elzar: Ooh shiny plastic that is years to late to the European diesel party - I'm so impressed.

/ Thanks alot Obama!

European like Opel or Vauxhaull?


I see what you did there ;-)
 
2013-07-02 03:35:01 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: In other news, oil companies raise the price of diesel.


Already done, a while ago (when ultra-low-sulfur fuel was mandated). Of course, that doesn't mean they won't add a "because fark you, that's why" surcharge if diesel cars become popular.
 
2013-07-02 03:35:13 PM  

Parkanzky: Saiga410: M-G: Well, that article was certainly light on the details.  Free diesel fluid top-offs?  So....they're doing urea injection?  Seems they could have devoted a more sentences to the new powertrain, rather than the interior bits that are going to be common across all of them.  More info on the aero tweaks would have been good as well.

Is there a diesel manufacturer that is not using urea to meet emissions now adays?

The Volkswagen TDIs Jetta/Golf/Beetle/Passat don't use urea.  They do use urea injection in the diesel Touareg.

My wife has a 2009 TDI Jetta and I have a 2010 TDI Golf.  They're both incredibly inexpensive to drive.


The Passat actually does use urea injection, but the others do not.  I think because its bigger/heavier than the rest, like the Toureg.
 
2013-07-02 03:48:47 PM  

benjo3686: The Passat actually does use urea injection, but the others do not. I think because its bigger/heavier than the rest, like the Toureg.


I stand corrected.  I had assumed that it used the same 2.0 CR diesel with the DPF to clean up emissions.  My wife was just talking about replacing her Jetta with a TDI Passat.  The urea injection will factor into the decision.
 
2013-07-02 03:51:18 PM  
About FARKing time! Drop that power plant into something useful like a light truck and I'll buy one.


/Fnord, Real-ota, and Datsun refuse to import high-MPG diesels grumblesnarlgripe
//Really, really want a Toyota Hilux diesel
///Will settle for a VW Amarok diesel
 
2013-07-02 03:52:24 PM  

Parkanzky: Saiga410: M-G: Well, that article was certainly light on the details.  Free diesel fluid top-offs?  So....they're doing urea injection?  Seems they could have devoted a more sentences to the new powertrain, rather than the interior bits that are going to be common across all of them.  More info on the aero tweaks would have been good as well.

Is there a diesel manufacturer that is not using urea to meet emissions now adays?

The Volkswagen TDIs Jetta/Golf/Beetle/Passat don't use urea.  They do use urea injection in the diesel Touareg.

My wife has a 2009 TDI Jetta and I have a 2010 TDI Golf.  They're both incredibly inexpensive to drive.


VWs are great cars. The design is very elegant, pretty good powertrain, superior fit and finish, and it seems like those electrical problems are becoming a thing of the past.
 
2013-07-02 04:03:03 PM  

Parkanzky: benjo3686: The Passat actually does use urea injection, but the others do not. I think because its bigger/heavier than the rest, like the Toureg.

I stand corrected.  I had assumed that it used the same 2.0 CR diesel with the DPF to clean up emissions.  My wife was just talking about replacing her Jetta with a TDI Passat.  The urea injection will factor into the decision.


Edmunds.com has one in their long term test fleet if you want to follow. http://www.edmunds.com/volkswagen/passat/2013/long-term-road-test/
 
2013-07-02 04:15:25 PM  
I'd like to see a TDI Nova Saveiro in the US.


http://www.vw.com.br/pt/carros/nova_saveiro.html (autoload video to a badass commercial)
 
2013-07-02 04:34:15 PM  
Meh, Mazda is bringing their turbo diesel over this year...and it has better numbers...and wrapped in a better design.

img822.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-02 04:56:51 PM  
Anyone ever wonder why they don't use diesels in hybrids like locomotives do?
 
2013-07-02 05:01:26 PM  
Europe & Asia laugh in your general direction, Chevy. Oooh, 46mph? How impressive!
 
2013-07-02 05:02:08 PM  

shArkh: Europe & Asia laugh in your general direction, Chevy. Oooh, 46mph? How impressive!


Well. *mpg, but I wouldn't be surprised at that being the top speed either.
 
2013-07-02 05:38:42 PM  

R.A.Danny: Anyone ever wonder why they don't use diesels in hybrids like locomotives do?


From what I understand it's the cost factor along with diesel/electric benefits overlap.  Diesels and electrics cost more than gas so you'd be taking the 2 more expensive motors and combining them.  Thus driving the cost up higher and when the cost difference is beyond a certain point it doesn't sell well.

The other main reason is that diesels and electrics are all about torque and provide that in bunches.  The electric motor has more issues at high speeds/revs where the diesel is also tapering off.  So they don't really compliment each other as much as electric/gas does.

What would work well though is a diesel would be a generator to charge the batteries as it's driving ala the Volt.  However size and complexity may be the issue there ... I'm not sure.
 
2013-07-02 06:14:39 PM  

hutchkc: R.A.Danny: Anyone ever wonder why they don't use diesels in hybrids like locomotives do?

From what I understand it's the cost factor along with diesel/electric benefits overlap.  Diesels and electrics cost more than gas so you'd be taking the 2 more expensive motors and combining them.  Thus driving the cost up higher and when the cost difference is beyond a certain point it doesn't sell well.

The other main reason is that diesels and electrics are all about torque and provide that in bunches.  The electric motor has more issues at high speeds/revs where the diesel is also tapering off.  So they don't really compliment each other as much as electric/gas does.

What would work well though is a diesel would be a generator to charge the batteries as it's driving ala the Volt.  However size and complexity may be the issue there ... I'm not sure.


It's been done:
db2.stb.s-msn.com

/the styling is unlikely to win fans amongst those of us blessed with the gift of sight
//the grey car with the moustache isn't exactly easy on the eyes either
 
2013-07-02 06:23:58 PM  

shArkh: Europe & Asia laugh in your general direction, Chevy. Oooh, 46mph? How impressive!


imageshack.us

Sign is on I-70, just west of the Baltimore Beltway.  For unamerkin farkers think 675km, 1400km, 2700km, 3500km.  It always seems like a challenge to me.
There is a reason Americans laugh at puny Euro & Asian cars that get vastly more than 46mpg.  Some others:

150k miles @ 50mpg = 3000 gallons  200k miles @ 50mpg = 4000 (I've been told a Prius gets ~50mpg)
150k miles @ 46mpg = 3260 gallons  200k miles @ 46mpg = 4350 [Cruze diesel]
150k miles @ 42mpg = 3571 gallons  200k miles @ 42mpg = 4700 [Cruze eco]

each step is 260 @ 150k, 350 @ 200k
Cost difference
$3.00/gal: $9k/$9.8k/$10.k        $12k/$13k/14k
$4.00/gal  $12k/$13k/$14k        $16k/$17k/18k
$5.00/gal  $15k/$16k/$18k      $20k/$22k/24k
----
$8.00/gal $24k/$26k/$28k          $32k/$34k/$38k

If you are paying ~$8.00 a gallon and you are highly confident that you will get 200k miles before a SUV totals you car, then the difference in mileage between the cruze diesel and the cruze eco will be break even.  Otherwise you are paying for not having to constantly drive around in idle and shifting/hearing the shifter every time you even touch the gas.  Euro/Asian drivers who pay $8.00 a gallon aren't laughing, and buying SMART diesels and other cars that would make me take Greyhound before driving to Cove Fort.
 
2013-07-02 06:31:29 PM  
Gotta love the 10 second wastegate override... brrrrrrGRRRRRRRRRRRbrrrrrrrrrrr  passing hammer!
 
2013-07-02 06:31:33 PM  
Here is to hoping that this is not another black mark on American diesel history like our past attempts. That said, I am still sticking with my Jetta TDI, even if I drove a gasser I would still pick the German option over the American one these days.
 
2013-07-02 06:36:47 PM  
Hoping the bmw X1D comes stateside...
 
2013-07-02 06:41:51 PM  

BgJonson79: meanmutton: Elzar: Ooh shiny plastic that is years to late to the European diesel party - I'm so impressed.

/ Thanks alot Obama!

European like Opel or Vauxhaull?

I see what you did there ;-)


And Chevy... they sell a few models as chevrolets there. Mostly the cars made by GM's Korean operations.

But yes- this car is already sold in Europe, and GM has been selling diesels for years over there. About time they bring them over here, as well.
 
2013-07-02 06:45:53 PM  
So soon, Chevy?  My 1984 turbo diesel Jetta got 50 MPG.
 
2013-07-02 07:01:01 PM  

R.A.Danny: Anyone ever wonder why they don't use diesels in hybrids like locomotives do?


Public buses in Baltimore are Diesel/Electric hybrids.
 
2013-07-02 07:17:51 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: it's about farking time


I'll have to retreat from 100 to 97 percent "completely written off those dummies".

If this keeps up, by the time they develop a four-seater diesel-electric hybrid van, like a Ford Transit without a crap engine,  I may be forced to exhibit mild interest.
 
2013-07-02 08:00:43 PM  
Finally
 
2013-07-02 08:07:40 PM  
On the plus side, B20 ready is cool.  VW won't let you use anything more than B5.

But no manual transmission?  Come on, there are some of us left who know how to row our own.
 
2013-07-02 10:02:46 PM  
Still working on my car that runs on free cats because they are free and always ... well ... free.
 
2013-07-03 12:58:29 AM  

Valiente: Smeggy Smurf: it's about farking time

I'll have to retreat from 100 to 97 percent "completely written off those dummies".

If this keeps up, by the time they develop a four-seater diesel-electric hybrid van, like a Ford Transit without a crap engine,  I may be forced to exhibit mild interest.


What (the arse end of) a Ford Transit without a crap engine might look like:
i55.tinypic.com

/the engine is not-crap enough to utterly demolish the Holden Corvette Pickup
 
2013-07-03 01:39:59 AM  
hope its better than the vanilla Cruze the rental companies are offering.  I just spent a week in Houston driving a Cruze rental.....it's 0-30 and 0-60 times should be considered more dangerous than texting while driving drunk in the wrong lane
 
2013-07-03 06:40:01 AM  

shArkh: shArkh: Europe & Asia laugh in your general direction, Chevy. Oooh, 46mph? How impressive!

Well. *mpg, but I wouldn't be surprised at that being the top speed either.


And so we should - our gallons are a superior 20% larger than the puny American gallon.

And our disgusting low grade fuel is the same RON as the USA's most common high grade fuel at the pump (excluding specialist top fuels). Although that is petrol instead of diesel, but worth noting.

That said, the latest 1.7 CTDi 16v Astra pulls 65mpg combined which isn't too shabby. Even the 195 HP 2.0 litre version does 55 combined and that goes like shiat off a shovel.
 
2013-07-03 08:13:41 AM  

King Keepo: And our disgusting low grade fuel is the same RON as the USA's most common high grade fuel at the pump (excluding specialist top fuels). Although that is petrol instead of diesel, but worth noting.


US gasoline grades aren't measured using RON. Our 87 gas is the same as 100 RON. Are you trying to say you can regularly get 115+ fuel in the UK or something?
 
2013-07-03 08:33:00 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: King Keepo: And our disgusting low grade fuel is the same RON as the USA's most common high grade fuel at the pump (excluding specialist top fuels). Although that is petrol instead of diesel, but worth noting.

US gasoline grades aren't measured using RON. Our 87 gas is the same as 100 RON. Are you trying to say you can regularly get 115+ fuel in the UK or something?


King Keepo isn't  quite right, but close - European "regular" (95 RON) is more like "plus" in the US, while US "premium" E10 (97 RON) is more like "plus" in Europe, and European "premium" (99 RON) is... not available to Americans.  Let alone the 102 RON stuff the Germans allegedly have... sigh.
 
2013-07-03 03:12:09 PM  

hutchkc: What would work well though is a diesel would be a generator to charge the batteries as it's driving ala the Volt.  However size and complexity may be the issue there ... I'm not sure.


That seems like a great car for eco-freaks: make it B100-capable and you can drive carbon-neutral, put in a charging station and you can do commuting on the cheap, and on road trips you can fall back to petro-diesel so you don't have any range problems.
 
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