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2013-07-02 02:16:03 PM  
Duh - because of the GOP majority in the House.
 
2013-07-02 03:12:29 PM  
Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.
 
2013-07-02 03:35:40 PM  

impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.


"Simple, common-sense solutions" such as... ?
 
2013-07-02 03:38:23 PM  

Lucky LaRue: impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.

"Simple, common-sense solutions" such as... ?


Pay down debt. Improve the economy through better faith in Jesus. That sort of thing.
 
2013-07-02 03:50:18 PM  
Those eggheads don't understand that the 100th vote to repeal Obamacare will awaken the slumbering Reagansaurus beneath the Lincoln Memorial that shall arise and turn Gadsden flags into spun gold and the reflection of that gold will bring Jesus back from His journey among the stars to start the endless pudding fountain and eternal stream of new, first-run "Too Close for Comfort" reruns.
 
2013-07-02 03:50:24 PM  

impaler: Lucky LaRue: impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.

"Simple, common-sense solutions" such as... ?

Pay down debt. Improve the economy through better faith in Jesus. That sort of thing.


you left out: lower taxes, ban gay marriage, oh nvm ...


LOL
 
2013-07-02 03:50:34 PM  
Because Republicans exist. And they never farking stop whining like the little biatches they are.
 
2013-07-02 04:04:37 PM  
One line law would fix most of this:

"Congressional districts can only include whole census tracts, and they must be contiguous."
 
2013-07-02 04:12:56 PM  
Because rightists are horrible wastes of flesh that exist only to cause problems. What do I win?
 
2013-07-02 04:14:18 PM  
... because that's not what gets you elected.
 
2013-07-02 04:14:42 PM  
It would appear they gerrymandered themselves into a corner.
 
2013-07-02 04:18:21 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Those eggheads don't understand that the 100th vote to repeal Obamacare will awaken the slumbering Reagansaurus beneath the Lincoln Memorial that shall arise and turn Gadsden flags into spun gold and the reflection of that gold will bring Jesus back from His journey among the stars to start the endless pudding fountain and eternal stream of new, first-run "Too Close for Comfort" reruns.


Plus, if you turn in the stamped card, you get a free repeal of Obamacare!
 
2013-07-02 04:21:10 PM  
Its funny because I thought they were supposed to do the will of the people.  You know represent their constituents.  like the system was set up for.
 
2013-07-02 04:28:38 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Its funny because I thought they were supposed to do the will of the people.  You know represent their constituents.  like the system was set up for.


Except that you left out that it was designed with the explicit understanding that people == Land owning white males

This kept out the uneducated masses with their 'common sense' solutions of "I like to have my cake and eat it too", as well as, "if it works for me and my family, it must work for everyone."
 
2013-07-02 04:33:49 PM  

NostroZ: bigsteve3OOO: Its funny because I thought they were supposed to do the will of the people.  You know represent their constituents.  like the system was set up for.

Except that you left out that it was designed with the explicit understanding that people == Land owning white males

This kept out the uneducated masses with their 'common sense' solutions of "I like to have my cake and eat it too", as well as, "if it works for me and my family, it must work for everyone."


So, at the time the only people with any form of education were land owning whites. So they were the only ones with information and ability to process it.  They were the only ones who should have voted at the time.   Thankfully now we educate everyone.   You may vote freely.  That does not change the fact that they are not supposed to do anything but represent us the people.  They most certainly do not.
 
2013-07-02 04:44:50 PM  

impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.


They also bear no responsibility for their predictions and hypotheses and the source of their "expertise" is usually something like peer-review which is simply gained by publishing something that your peers find acceptable.

"Compromise" to a progressive is voting for a Republican's spending bill after he's promised to vote for yours.
 
2013-07-02 04:52:11 PM  
That's what passes for analysis at an "ideas festival"?  That was about as enlightening as your average post-poetry reading Q&A session at a Midwestern community college.
 
2013-07-02 04:53:37 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Thankfully now we educate noone.


FTFY. The equality of ignorance.
 
2013-07-02 04:55:28 PM  

Lucky LaRue: impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.

"Simple, common-sense solutions" such as... ?


Having cap gains income taxed equally to payroll income.
 
2013-07-02 04:58:15 PM  
This is why we can't have nice things
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Law_62-5
Repeal this and the House might not be such a clusterfark. Have a more reasonable number 50k people per representative.
 
2013-07-02 04:58:18 PM  

o5iiawah: impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.

They also bear no responsibility for their predictions and hypotheses and the source of their "expertise" is usually something like peer-review which is simply gained by publishing something that your peers find acceptable.

"Compromise" to a progressive is voting for a Republican's spending bill after he's promised to vote for yours.


I'm Progressive and I'd never vote for a Republican spending bill.  They aren't about economics, they are about punishing the poor and rewarding the rich, like a bizarro Robin Hood.  Plus, I'd like us to get back to Tax and Spend and stop this Borrow and Spend that is the core of Reaganomics.
 
2013-07-02 04:58:28 PM  
Anybody with a different opinion is a liberal.
 
2013-07-02 05:00:56 PM  

firefly212: Having cap gains income taxed equally to payroll income.


Can you show any revenue models that illustrate how the resulting income from that will impact the deficit?

Or is it that it just make things more "Fair"
 
2013-07-02 05:02:36 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Thankfully now we educate everyone.   You may vote freely.  That does not change the fact that they are not supposed to do anything but represent us the people.  They most certainly do not.


Public education is a joke.
The only thing they teach them well is how to sit down, shut up, and look busy.

And we wonder why these people are easily duped.
Why these people play the lottery, take out pay-day loans, join our military during wars, go on diet fads, or fall prey to any one of the countless scams out there.  (Like voting Republican if you're poor)

Yes... thankfully now we 'educate' everyone.
And since everyone is SO EDUCATED, everyone has a vote... I mean... don't you want the guy who thinks Iraq was responsible for 9/11 (still about 25% of the country) to vote on matters of importance.

I say it is an American right to vote against one's interests and boldly proclaim that everyone else is an elitist who wants to take away their freedoms!
 
2013-07-02 05:09:01 PM  

haemaker: One line law would fix most of this:

"Congressional districts can only include whole census tracts, and they must be contiguous."


Great, now we politicize the Census bureau.

Better idea: every state's congressional delegation is elected proportionally statewide, rather than from single-seat districts.
 
2013-07-02 05:09:35 PM  
FTFA: "The big political question at this Ideas Festival..."

Well, there is your problem, right there. We don't need any more ideas. We certainly don't need a marketplace for them. We are overflowing with ideas; we have ideas out the ying-yang and the wazooo. We have hundreds of academic journals and thousands of websites producing ideas: good ideas, bad ideas, wrong ideas, right ideas, liberal ideas, conservative ideals, impossible ideas, utopian ideas, and bat-shiat crazy ideas. The last thing this country needs is another god damn idea. What this country needs is consensus. Ideas are easy; you sit and you think. Consensus is hard work, which is why no one is interested in doing it. It's one of the few things that can not be out-sourced, imported, or solved by immigrants from Latin America. We have to do the hard work ourselves. But why bother? Just sit at some staid conference and peddle an idea and leave the work to someone else. That's why this country is farked: too many god damn ideas.

Don't even get me started on ideals.
 
2013-07-02 05:10:05 PM  

haemaker: One line law would fix most of this:

"Congressional districts can only include whole census tracts, and they must be contiguous." Federal payments to states shall not exceed the amount the state pays in federal taxes.

 
2013-07-02 05:12:00 PM  

o5iiawah: They also bear no responsibility for their predictions and hypotheses and the source of their "expertise" is usually something like peer-review which is simply gained by publishing something that your peers find acceptable.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-02 05:12:32 PM  

o5iiawah: derpdeprderpLIBSLINBSLIBSderpderpderp


Yes, sweetie, we know, you're not going to give any citations to actual research or actual facts, ever, that bolster your "opinions". Because there are none, and lies + insane gibberish are not really "opinions."
 
2013-07-02 05:16:08 PM  

impaler: Lucky LaRue: impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.

"Simple, common-sense solutions" such as... ?

Pay down debt. Improve the economy through better faith in Jesus. That sort of thing.


You forgot oil drilling and stickin' it to Messicans.
 
2013-07-02 05:16:38 PM  

o5iiawah: Can you show any revenue models that illustrate how the resulting income from that will impact the deficit?


Removing the low rate for capital gains would have provided about $38.5B in revenue in 2012 and would provide about $256B for 2012-16.

Table 17-2, PDF
 
2013-07-02 05:19:17 PM  

o5iiawah: usually something like peer-review which is simply gained by publishing something that your peers find acceptable


Please leave the country.
 
2013-07-02 05:20:54 PM  
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: most " payments to states" don't go to the state treasuries... that kind of law would change nothing. (The charts about how much each state gets back on its tax dollar involve a nice chunk of judgement calls and number fudge.)
 
2013-07-02 05:24:48 PM  

o5iiawah: firefly212: Having cap gains income taxed equally to payroll income.

Can you show any revenue models that illustrate how the resulting income from that will impact the deficit?

Or is it that it just make things more "Fair"


The effect on the deficit all depends on what you do with the actual rate that they are taxed at, so no, I have not modeled all possible outcomes. It's a simple, common sense way to get rid of tax dodgers and demonstrate that we, as a nation, value hard work as much as we do investment.
 
2013-07-02 05:27:19 PM  

o5iiawah: They also bear no responsibility for their predictions and hypotheses and the source of their "expertise" is usually something like peer-review which is simply gained by publishing something that your peers find acceptable.


You have no idea how peer-review works do you?
 
2013-07-02 05:27:36 PM  

kingoomieiii: o5iiawah: usually something like peer-review which is simply gained by publishing something that your peers find acceptable

Please leave the country.


Yeah!  America, love it or leave it!
 
2013-07-02 05:31:06 PM  

o5iiawah: They also bear no responsibility for their predictions and hypotheses


You mean like this:

Likely the world's most perpetually incorrect cable news pundit, Dick Morris continued his streak by predicting a "dominant" Romney victory with 325 electoral votes.

His rationale: the media polls oversampled Democrats. So they're all wrong.
 
2013-07-02 05:33:49 PM  
Additioanlly, the student loan rate is getting ready to double - to what it was when I took out loans.

But, unlike you chumps, I spent my loan money on booze and broads. Wrote that check every month with a big smile on my face.
 
2013-07-02 05:49:32 PM  

NostroZ: Public education is a joke.
The only thing they teach them well is how to sit down, shut up, and look busy.


Do you really think private education is any better? They only teach them to sit down, shut up, and pray to Jeebus.
 
2013-07-02 05:51:20 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Those eggheads don't understand that the 100th vote to repeal Obamacare will awaken the slumbering Reagansaurus beneath the Lincoln Memorial that shall arise and turn Gadsden flags into spun gold and the reflection of that gold will bring Jesus back from His journey among the stars to start the endless pudding fountain and eternal stream of new, first-run "Too Close for Comfort" reruns.


You lost me towards the end -- the last bit would require that Ted Knight be brought back to life, a medical impossibility. You probably made up the rest of all that, too.
 
2013-07-02 05:56:02 PM  

Zagloba: haemaker: One line law would fix most of this:

"Congressional districts can only include whole census tracts, and they must be contiguous."

Great, now we politicize the Census bureau.

Better idea: every state's congressional delegation is elected proportionally statewide, rather than from single-seat districts.


The problem with proportional delegation is that it doesn't require a congressperson to have a personal stake in their district.  Instead of one congressman, you get 7 mini-Senators.  Make the drawing of Congressional districts a function of the Justice Department and specify that all districts in a state must be drawn algorithmically using an open source model such as the shortest split-line method.  Take the human element out of congressional redistricting.
 
2013-07-02 05:57:13 PM  
o5iiawah (farkied: Right-wing wharrgarbler with a wharrgarbl name): firefly212: Having cap gains income taxed equally to payroll income.

Can you show any revenue models that illustrate how the resulting income from that will impact the deficit?


Aaaaaand another sheep votes for mutton because he thinks he'll be a wolf someday.

Or is it that it just make things more "Fair"

Paris Hilton is not going to sleep with you.
 
2013-07-02 06:03:01 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: o5iiawah (farkied: Right-wing wharrgarbler with a wharrgarbl name): firefly212: Having cap gains income taxed equally to payroll income.

Can you show any revenue models that illustrate how the resulting income from that will impact the deficit?

Aaaaaand another sheep votes for mutton because he thinks he'll be a wolf someday.

Or is it that it just make things more "Fair"

Paris Hilton is not going to sleep with you.


Just in time for the 4th of July, I give you a clip from 1776.
 
2013-07-02 06:19:42 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: o5iiawah (farkied: Right-wing wharrgarbler with a wharrgarbl name):


I have him flagged as Austrian school dipstick but yours is good too.
 
2013-07-02 06:32:13 PM  
Stile4aly: The problem with proportional delegation is that it doesn't require a congressperson to have a personal stake in their district.  Instead of one congressman, you get 7 mini-Senators.

I hear that objection raised a lot, but no one points to examples from countries with actual working PR systems.

Regardless, even if what you describe is exactly what would happen, I think that's an acceptable cost for the many benefits of a well designed PR system. Not the least of which is undermining the two-party system.
 
2013-07-02 06:32:23 PM  

El Pachuco: Lee Jackson Beauregard: o5iiawah (farkied: Right-wing wharrgarbler with a wharrgarbl name):

I have him flagged as Austrian school dipstick but yours is good too.


I have him as "lying scum"
 
2013-07-02 06:42:34 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: NostroZ: bigsteve3OOO: Its funny because I thought they were supposed to do the will of the people.  You know represent their constituents.  like the system was set up for.

Except that you left out that it was designed with the explicit understanding that people == Land owning white males

This kept out the uneducated masses with their 'common sense' solutions of "I like to have my cake and eat it too", as well as, "if it works for me and my family, it must work for everyone."

So, at the time the only people with any form of education were land owning whites. So they were the only ones with information and ability to process it.  They were the only ones who should have voted at the time.   Thankfully now we educate everyone.   You may vote freely.  That does not change the fact that they are not supposed to do anything but represent us the people.  They most certainly do not.


I wonder how long it will take to strip legislators of their independent votes and leave them as helpless anachronisms/backups like the electoral college.  Congress is bad enough, but the shenanigans at the state level and lower are much more foul (consider the school board).  We have the technology to eliminate Congress and the state whores, it largely a matter of replacing at least one current party with an actual democracy (one politician at a time).  Considering the typical idiocy of early democracies (see Alien and Sedition acts, gross power grabs as with the fall of the Federalists, the rise of Jackson (with the landless whites), Prohibition (once women could vote), I would recommend replacing the school board and not going higher until that idiocy was under control.
 
2013-07-02 06:59:00 PM  

impaler: Lucky LaRue: impaler: Well educated and knowledgeable people are elitists, and get in the way of simple common-sense solutions.

"Simple, common-sense solutions" such as... ?

Pay down debt. Improve the economy through better faith in Jesus. That sort of thing.


You forgot tax cuts for the rich.

You made Jesus cry.
 
2013-07-02 07:16:30 PM  

Fart_Machine: o5iiawah: They also bear no responsibility for their predictions and hypotheses and the source of their "expertise" is usually something like peer-review which is simply gained by publishing something that your peers find acceptable.

You have no idea how peer-review works do you?


No, he doesn't. You could replace "peer-review" with literally any word or phrase that results in a grammatically correct sentence and get the same answer.
 
2013-07-03 01:31:10 AM  
Social media and cable TV impede Congressional action?

Just unplug 'em and get to work!
 
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