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(Yahoo)   Old and busted: needing a photo ID to vote. The new hotness: needing a photo ID to use food stamps. And what backwater, red-state hell thought this up? huh, M-a-s-s-a-c-h-u-s-e-t-t-s is a weird way to spell "Arkansas"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 95
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2013-07-02 10:32:09 AM
I wish they would do that here in Arkansas, fastest way to blue the state.
 
2013-07-02 10:32:55 AM
What's the problem? Keeps people from selling the damn things for booze or cigarette money.

/flame on
 
2013-07-02 10:32:56 AM
You need an ID to one thing that has nothing to do with the other? wow, next you'll tell me you need one to drive.
 
2013-07-02 10:33:00 AM
Maybe not a bad idea, might cut down on the trading of food stamps when ATM cards are used.

/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.
 
2013-07-02 10:34:19 AM
Enemabag Jones:

/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.

Actually the proposal is to put the recipients photo directly on the EBT card.
 
2013-07-02 10:34:43 AM
You could just make retailers ask to see ID to use them instead of printing their picture on the card itself.
 
2013-07-02 10:36:44 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Enemabag Jones:

/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.

Actually the proposal is to put the recipients photo directly on the EBT card.


Which would be a good idea...except that people swipe the cards themselves. Unless they mean that the EBT cards will be checked against IDs. Which won't happen. I can't even get cashiers to check my ID when I use my check card.
 
2013-07-02 10:37:29 AM
I don't see a problem with this.  Maybe my outrage meter is broken.  It sounds like they're putting a photo on the EBT card rather than requiring a separate photo ID. Prevents theft, misuse, etc.  Exempts disabled and elderly from the requirement.  Sounds like a pretty good idea.
 
2013-07-02 10:37:45 AM
Wait.. Last time people were biatching about the abuse of the system, claiming that some dude using his girlfriend's card was proof of the rampant abuse in the system.  Now we have a way to curb that kind of food stamp fraud, and it's a bad thing?

And if we're worried about the cost of a photo ID for a poor person, then just put their photo on the EBT card, the same way that some credit cards put your photo on them.  And now that I've read the article, looks like that's exactly what they want. Amusingly, the last time they tried to do this, it was nixed by good ol' Mitt Romney.
 
2013-07-02 10:38:22 AM
The big cost of digging the causes of food stamp fraud in Boston alone will have overruns in the billions and take decades.
 
2013-07-02 10:38:48 AM

itsdan: You could just make retailers ask to see ID to use them instead of printing their picture on the card itself.


Because its much easier to tell tens of thousands of businesses how to handle a transaction, rather than change a template.
 
2013-07-02 10:39:00 AM
I don't see a problem with this. You are getting a hand out from the state. Therefore you go by their rules.

I do see a problem with photo ids while voting. There are requirements for voting in the Constitution. I don't recall a damn thing about food stamps.
 
2013-07-02 10:39:12 AM

bambi121899: Philip Francis Queeg: Enemabag Jones:

/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.

Actually the proposal is to put the recipients photo directly on the EBT card.

Which would be a good idea...except that people swipe the cards themselves. Unless they mean that the EBT cards will be checked against IDs. Which won't happen. I can't even get cashiers to check my ID when I use my check card.


That's probably why the suggestion was rejected in 2004 because the benefits did not justify the expense.
 
2013-07-02 10:39:42 AM
I'm ok with this, but only if they give the id's for free to EVERYONE authorized to use the benefits.

I already have to show id to use my debit or credit card a lot of places.
 
2013-07-02 10:39:43 AM
Gov. Deval Patrick, who disputed the scope of the auditor's report, has said he would be open to requiring photos on the cards. But he also noted that former Republican Gov. Mitt Romney's administration nixed the idea of photos when the cards were introduced in 2004 after determining that the benefits of photo IDs did not justify the expense involved in implementing the system.

The photo requirement was also part of a more comprehensive welfare reform package that passed the Senate earlier this month and is pending in the House.


And yet you're going to go ahead and do it anyway.

Why not just cancel the cards of dead people?
 
2013-07-02 10:40:28 AM
Photo ID prevents fraud? Where'd that radical, rights-denying idea come from?
 
2013-07-02 10:42:51 AM
I was all for the idea of putting photos on the cards, util I read this in the article:

"Gov. Deval Patrick, who disputed the scope of the auditor's report, has said he would be open to requiring photos on the cards. But he also noted that former Republican Gov. Mitt Romney's administration nixed the idea of photos when the cards were introduced in 2004 after determining that the benefits of photo IDs did not justify the expense involved in implementing the system."

Now if they're just going to put in a system whose cost just don't justify its existence, then forget it.
 
2013-07-02 10:45:09 AM
Philip Francis Queeg
Enemabag Jones:
/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.
Actually the proposal is to put the recipients photo directly on the EBT card.


As long as it is not a Scott Walker style bullshiat then that works great.

/But why not just get help providing them a non-drivers photo id and get these same people a functional photo id. Probably cheaper in the long run.
 
2013-07-02 10:45:57 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Why not just cancel the cards of dead people?


That sounds like a lot of work :P

My neighbor is worried about this; his daughter buys his food and cooks for him. I hope he makes it onto the exempt list but I don't know that he's old enough.
 
2013-07-02 10:46:59 AM
Good lord submitter, could you have gotten a single clause of that entire headline correct perhaps? They are putting the card holder's photo ON THE EBT CARD.
 
2013-07-02 10:47:00 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Enemabag Jones:

/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.

Actually the proposal is to put the recipients photo directly on the EBT card.


That's why this particular idea is probably not going to be effective. Why should anybody care if the picture on your card is of somebody of a different race and gender? The place won't be out any money like they would be if you were passing a bad check.
 
2013-07-02 10:47:56 AM

Jackson Herring: Good lord submitter, could you have gotten a single clause of that entire headline correct perhaps? They are putting the card holder's photo ON THE EBT CARD.


Submitter's parents probably made him wear a helmet until he was 17, and taking it off then was probably a bad idea.
 
2013-07-02 10:48:02 AM

jjorsett: Photo ID prevents fraud? Where'd that radical, rights-denying idea come from?


Perhaps because one actually has hundreds of cases of reported fraud and the other (voting) only exists in the minds of paranoid Republicans.
 
2013-07-02 10:48:20 AM
This is a great analogy because you can only buy food once every four years and there are lots of people who really want to make sure you don't buy food that day.
 
2013-07-02 10:49:25 AM
1-Instead of custom printing a face on every atm card, put on the words, 'state issued photo id is required'.
2-Offer assistance to those that need it to get said photo id from DMV.
 
2013-07-02 10:49:41 AM

jjorsett: That's why this particular idea is probably not going to be effective. Why should anybody care if the picture on your card is of somebody of a different race and gender? The place won't be out any money like they would be if you were passing a bad check.


Because they'd be willfully engaging in fraud and be subject to prosecution?
 
2013-07-02 10:49:58 AM
 Ha, you would never see that move  in a southern state. They don't want people "like that" voting in the first place and will give then no other reason to need said ID prior to voting, lest they have it handy on voting day.

The tactic is out dated though and will not work in the 21st century. They're still fighting the last civil rights movement.
 
2013-07-02 10:50:40 AM
But I thought that photo ID was exactly the same as burning a cross, forcing people into slavery, leaving the milk out all night and punching Mexican babies in the face all at the same time or something?
 
2013-07-02 10:51:10 AM

skinink: I was all for the idea of putting photos on the cards, util I read this in the article:

"Gov. Deval Patrick, who disputed the scope of the auditor's report, has said he would be open to requiring photos on the cards. But he also noted that former Republican Gov. Mitt Romney's administration nixed the idea of photos when the cards were introduced in 2004 after determining that the benefits of photo IDs did not justify the expense involved in implementing the system."

Now if they're just going to put in a system whose cost just don't justify its existence, then forget it.


THAT does raise a red flag; a republican who doesn't support an ID requirement for poors?
On the other hand, I can't think of anyone who'll benefit financially from this (a la Rick Scott's wife and the pee tests).

I think the real push behind this is embarassment; we just had a big news expose about EBT fraud so I guess they needed a strong showing in the anti-fraud department.

jjorsett: Photo ID prevents fraud? Where'd that radical, rights-denying idea come from?


We're in here bobbing for apples, and this doofus shows up with an orange. 3/10
 
2013-07-02 10:51:25 AM

Ontos: But I thought that photo ID was exactly the same as burning a cross, forcing people into slavery, leaving the milk out all night and punching Mexican babies in the face all at the same time or something?


Good thing it's a photo on the EBT card.
 
2013-07-02 10:51:48 AM
Have a good idea for a picture? You get to vote. It's the Massachutses way.
 
2013-07-02 10:52:16 AM

Fart_Machine: jjorsett: Photo ID prevents fraud? Where'd that radical, rights-denying idea come from?

Perhaps because one actually has hundreds of cases of reported fraud and the other (voting) only exists in the minds of paranoid Republicans.


to be fair they might not be paranoid or authoritarian freaks, they just might want to rig the vote in their favor, maybe jjorsett could speak to his motivation.
 
2013-07-02 10:53:36 AM
Ontos
But I thought that photo ID was exactly the same as burning a cross, forcing people into slavery, leaving the milk out all night and punching Mexican babies in the face all at the same time or something?


See, Massachusetts is attempting to resolve actual problems that exist, they are not trying to keep people from voting to win an election.

/Isn't that an actual problem for Republicans though.
 
2013-07-02 10:54:50 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Enemabag Jones:

/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.

Actually the proposal is to put the recipients photo directly on the EBT card.


hmmm, would that count as a "State-issued Photo ID"?  If so, I might actually be for this as it would help re-enfranchise a lot of folks voter ID laws are trying to dis-enfranchise....

The only problem with it is that it's not at all uncommon for someone recieving EBT benefits to lack transportation or be physically unable to leave thier house, so they have SO's or neighbors shop for them using the card,  this is not fraud, but ti would look like it if someone uses a card with someone e;ses picture on it.   Still If there is something like a website where you could register authroized users of your card this is pretty easily solved
 
2013-07-02 10:55:23 AM

Headso: Fart_Machine: jjorsett: Photo ID prevents fraud? Where'd that radical, rights-denying idea come from?

Perhaps because one actually has hundreds of cases of reported fraud and the other (voting) only exists in the minds of paranoid Republicans.

to be fair they might not be paranoid or authoritarian freaks, they just might want to rig the vote in their favor, maybe jjorsett could speak to his motivation.


Don't forget that several of those who fear an invisible wave of fraudulent voters are simply very gullible. They are easily manipulated by the two types previously mentioned.
 
2013-07-02 10:55:39 AM
Step 1: Put photos on EBT cards.
Step 2: Allow EBT cards with a photo to be a recognized form of ID for voting.
Step 3: More votes! Yay!
 
2013-07-02 10:58:20 AM
I am OK with this. Either on the food stamp card itself as proposed, or presented with a purchase. It is obvious to me that the state has an interest in confirming the identity of the aid recipient.

I am also OK with photo ID at the voting booth. It is obvious to me that the state has an interest in confirming the identity of the registered voter.
 
2013-07-02 11:00:28 AM

mgshamster: Step 1: Put photos on EBT cards.
Step 2: Allow EBT cards with a photo to be a recognized form of ID for voting.
Step 3: More votes! Yay!


this could be a FALSE FLAG!!!

by pulling an "ID" play in the bluest of blue states, the redder ones could leverage their dems to "begrudgingly" sign on, only to (Shymalan twist!) use those newly ID'd voters in hamster's scheme!

/once again, proud to be a masshole
 
2013-07-02 11:02:54 AM
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DING!
 
2013-07-02 11:03:16 AM
Freeper Fruesday?
 
2013-07-02 11:03:42 AM
The "Backwater, Red-State hell" of New York has had this for years.
 
2013-07-02 11:03:53 AM
Yeah, well, if you ever drive by the local liquor/lotto/ghetto mart on EBT day, you'd stop wondering why this might be a good idea. People be all up in there, reinforcing the living shiat out of hateful stereotypes. Seriously, they dance around outside the store and play lewd music and drug dealers drive up in pimp mobiles and theres hooting and screaming and everything. Makes me shake my damn head.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:27 AM

willfullyobscure: Yeah, well, if you ever drive by the local liquor/lotto/ghetto mart on EBT day, you'd stop wondering why this might be a good idea. People be all up in there, reinforcing the living shiat out of hateful stereotypes. Seriously, they dance around outside the store and play lewd music and drug dealers drive up in pimp mobiles and theres hooting and screaming and everything. Makes me shake my damn head.


you forgot to mention: talkin' all jive on their 0bamaphones.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:43 AM

that bosnian sniper: Freeper Fruesday?


We've clearly passed the point where derp can be contained within a single day. Hell, I remember when Fark tried to limit itself to one flame thread a week.
 
2013-07-02 11:06:00 AM

odinsposse: Don't forget that several of those who fear an invisible wave of fraudulent voters are simply very gullible. They are easily manipulated by the two types previously mentioned.


See, this is a Super Secret Left-Wing plot to Destroy America.

By putting photos on EBT cards, they're making them count as voter ID's, and that way since they count as voter ID's going to the grocery store counts as voting. But since "those people" never go to the grocery store, and just spend their food stamps on cars, lotto tickets, and booze, this will backfire in the libs' face.
 
2013-07-02 11:12:01 AM

winterbraid: willfullyobscure: Yeah, well, if you ever drive by the local liquor/lotto/ghetto mart on EBT day, you'd stop wondering why this might be a good idea. People be all up in there, reinforcing the living shiat out of hateful stereotypes. Seriously, they dance around outside the store and play lewd music and drug dealers drive up in pimp mobiles and theres hooting and screaming and everything. Makes me shake my damn head.

you forgot to mention: talkin' all jive on their 0bamaphones.


Everyone knows the Affordable Telephone Service was started by Reagan.
 
2013-07-02 11:12:53 AM

Magorn: Philip Francis Queeg: Enemabag Jones:

/Make requirement for assistance for those without photo id to get assistance to get said id if necessary.

Actually the proposal is to put the recipients photo directly on the EBT card.

hmmm, would that count as a "State-issued Photo ID"?  If so, I might actually be for this as it would help re-enfranchise a lot of folks voter ID laws are trying to dis-enfranchise....

The only problem with it is that it's not at all uncommon for someone recieving EBT benefits to lack transportation or be physically unable to leave thier house, so they have SO's or neighbors shop for them using the card,  this is not fraud, but ti would look like it if someone uses a card with someone e;ses picture on it.   Still If there is something like a website where you could register authroized users of your card this is pretty easily solved


That's kind of a big problem.
 
2013-07-02 11:13:01 AM

odinsposse: that bosnian sniper: Freeper Fruesday?

We've clearly passed the point where derp can be contained within a single day. Hell, I remember when Fark tried to limit itself to one flame thread a week.


we've passed the "event horizerp"
 
2013-07-02 11:14:56 AM

bambi121899: What's the problem? Keeps people from selling the damn things for booze or cigarette money.

/flame on


I've known drug dealers who have accepted them as payment.
 
2013-07-02 11:20:03 AM

willfullyobscure: winterbraid: willfullyobscure: Yeah, well, if you ever drive by the local liquor/lotto/ghetto mart on EBT day, you'd stop wondering why this might be a good idea. People be all up in there, reinforcing the living shiat out of hateful stereotypes. Seriously, they dance around outside the store and play lewd music and drug dealers drive up in pimp mobiles and theres hooting and screaming and everything. Makes me shake my damn head.

you forgot to mention: talkin' all jive on their 0bamaphones.

Everyone knows the Affordable Telephone Service was started by Reagan.


Yes, but unfortunately once 0bama got his greasy paws on it, it deteriorated into a maelstrom of KFC delivery orders and impromptu phone calls to actors from theaters where their movies are being played.

ring ring!
actor: hello?
black lady in theater: don't go in there he gonna stab you!
actor: dammit stop calling me!
black lady in theater: i told you, see? he stab you! now you dead.
actor *ragequit*
 
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