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2013-07-02 10:02:04 AM  
WOW

That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

She wasnt a victim of racial discrimination.
 
2013-07-02 10:04:44 AM  

cman: WOW

That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

She wasnt a victim of racial discrimination.


To elaborate, it still doesnt excuse Deen for what she did. Its just that this lawsuit is bullshiat. Deen does deserve to have her take a hit.

We shun people who break special rules. You drop the N bomb, you are shunned. You rape a child, you are shunned. This is human and there is nothing wrong with shunning her.
 
2013-07-02 10:15:37 AM  

cman: That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?


Hostile work environment, maybe? I know when it comes to stuff like sexual harassment laws, someone doesn't need to be the target of the harassment to be able to report it.
 
2013-07-02 10:15:38 AM  
I get it but I don't get it.

Only a portion of the complaint (PDF here) is regarding racial discrimination and harassment.  Do all the other counts get thrown out because Jackson's not black?

That said, outside of the law, I see no reason why you can't claim 'hostile workplace' even if you're not part of the class of people being targeted.
 
2013-07-02 10:17:03 AM  

Diogenes: I get it but I don't get it.

Only a portion of the complaint (PDF here) is regarding racial discrimination and harassment.  Do all the other counts get thrown out because Jackson's not black?

That said, outside of the law, I see no reason why you can't claim 'hostile workplace' even if you're not part of the class of people being targeted.


She wasnt the target. She was a witness. Sure, she could sue for emotional distress, but racial discrimination?
 
2013-07-02 10:17:16 AM  

Aarontology: cman: That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

Hostile work environment, maybe? I know when it comes to stuff like sexual harassment laws, someone doesn't need to be the target of the harassment to be able to report it.


Maybe she has to claim that specifically.  Regardless, there are nine counts in the complaint.  I don't think you can toss the whole suit because she's white.
 
2013-07-02 10:18:42 AM  

cman: She wasnt the target. She was a witness. Sure, she could sue for emotional distress, but racial discrimination?


Read the complaint.  Racial discrimination isn't one of the counts, per se.  Although it factors heavily into them.
 
2013-07-02 10:18:43 AM  

Diogenes: Aarontology: cman: That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

Hostile work environment, maybe? I know when it comes to stuff like sexual harassment laws, someone doesn't need to be the target of the harassment to be able to report it.

Maybe she has to claim that specifically.  Regardless, there are nine counts in the complaint.  I don't think you can toss the whole suit because she's white.


Oh I am not saying the whole suit should be tossed.
 
2013-07-02 10:19:41 AM  

Diogenes: cman: She wasnt the target. She was a witness. Sure, she could sue for emotional distress, but racial discrimination?

Read the complaint.  Racial discrimination isn't one of the counts, per se.  Although it factors heavily into them.


Legal English is too complexed for me.
 
2013-07-02 10:37:13 AM  

cman: cman: WOW

That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

She wasnt a victim of racial discrimination.

To elaborate, it still doesnt excuse Deen for what she did. Its just that this lawsuit is bullshiat. Deen does deserve to have her take a hit.

We shun people who break special rules. You drop the N bomb, you are shunned. You rape a child, you are shunned. This is human and there is nothing wrong with shunning her.


Using a racist word = raping a child? Really?

Do you go on a life-long "PC Offender" registry and can't live withing 500 yards of a watermelon patch? Sheesh.
 
2013-07-02 10:49:32 AM  

MrBallou: cman: cman: WOW

That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

She wasnt a victim of racial discrimination.

To elaborate, it still doesnt excuse Deen for what she did. Its just that this lawsuit is bullshiat. Deen does deserve to have her take a hit.

We shun people who break special rules. You drop the N bomb, you are shunned. You rape a child, you are shunned. This is human and there is nothing wrong with shunning her.

Using a racist word = raping a child? Really?

Do you go on a life-long "PC Offender" registry and can't live withing 500 yards of a watermelon patch? Sheesh.



Don't be an idiot.
They are not equal; One has jail time, the other does not.
But if it is public? The public reation is the same.
 
2013-07-02 10:53:05 AM  

silo123j: MrBallou: cman: cman: WOW

That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

She wasnt a victim of racial discrimination.

To elaborate, it still doesnt excuse Deen for what she did. Its just that this lawsuit is bullshiat. Deen does deserve to have her take a hit.

We shun people who break special rules. You drop the N bomb, you are shunned. You rape a child, you are shunned. This is human and there is nothing wrong with shunning her.

Using a racist word = raping a child? Really?

Do you go on a life-long "PC Offender" registry and can't live withing 500 yards of a watermelon patch? Sheesh.


Don't be an idiot.
They are not equal; One has jail time, the other does not.
But if it is public? The public reation is the same.


The public reaction should not be the same. Rape is considerable worse than being called a bad name, hurtful as that may be.
 
2013-07-02 10:56:48 AM  

MrBallou: Don't be an idiot.
They are not equal; One has jail time, the other does not.
But if it is public? The public reation is the same.

The public reaction should not be the same. Rape is considerablY worse than being called a bad name, hurtful as that may be.


FTFM - Anyway, I would know, having been called an idiot recently. I got over it.
 
2013-07-02 11:03:34 AM  

Diogenes: Only a portion of the complaint (PDF here) is regarding racial discrimination and harassment.  Do all the other counts get thrown out because Jackson's not black?


While I don't think Deen was right by any means, this reeks of someone trying to cash in. "Oh wow, this old-ass Southern lady is a racist and most people think she's just a nice lady who uses too much butter, And she just launched a new line of products. Let's go!"

I don't think what she said/did was right, but she's not a freaking mass murderer, the way people are acting.  Look around the world, there is a LOT worse going on than what she did/said, especially when you consider when/where she was raised. Some things, like racism, are fading and hopefully dying off, but it's not going to disappear from the older generation who was raised that way unfortunately. In time, though, we can hope this really will all be a thing of the past.  (And the gay thing, to. Let's all move on from that, too.)
 
2013-07-02 11:09:12 AM  

serpent_sky: Diogenes: Only a portion of the complaint (PDF here) is regarding racial discrimination and harassment.  Do all the other counts get thrown out because Jackson's not black?

While I don't think Deen was right by any means, this reeks of someone trying to cash in. "Oh wow, this old-ass Southern lady is a racist and most people think she's just a nice lady who uses too much butter, And she just launched a new line of products. Let's go!"

I don't think what she said/did was right, but she's not a freaking mass murderer, the way people are acting.  Look around the world, there is a LOT worse going on than what she did/said, especially when you consider when/where she was raised. Some things, like racism, are fading and hopefully dying off, but it's not going to disappear from the older generation who was raised that way unfortunately. In time, though, we can hope this really will all be a thing of the past.  (And the gay thing, to. Let's all move on from that, too.)


Please read the complaint.  This is not because of the stupid N-word.

I'm not going to discuss this anymore.  Everyone has a freaking strong opinion and they're all poorly informed.
 
2013-07-02 11:11:46 AM  
http://www.scribd.com/doc/148781831/Jackson-v-Deen-Et-Al-Complaint
(PDF): http://www.atlawblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Jackson-v.-Deen-e t -al.-Complaint.pdf

Another of Paula Deen's legal team's defense was, "Well, your boyfriend's niece isn't really half-black, she's like, Hispanic or some shiat".
 
2013-07-02 11:19:05 AM  
Anne Rice just made a new post on her website:

"What's happening with Aaron Hernandez? Is it fair? I never heard of him until today, and wow, this looks like a crucifixion. Opinions, thoughts welcome. Thanks to Skip Bayless for the link. I may be wrong but aren't we becoming something of a shooting people culture? Is this a good example of that? What are your feelings?

I think he's being shot in the face because America does this now to those who are politically incorrect. He is obviously a very crude person and a somewhat violent person, but that's no reason for his life to be destroyed. He's a hard worker who has accomplished a lot, and he has apologized. I hate to see this happen to him. This helps nothing and no one."
 
2013-07-02 11:28:29 AM  
So Anne Rice is basically insane then, huh?
 
2013-07-02 11:30:34 AM  

sigdiamond2000: So Anne Rice is basically insane then, huh?


It's like her old style of nuts got tired and she's trying out a new flavor.
 
2013-07-02 11:38:04 AM  
Ah, jeeze... was just an attempt at satire
http://jezebel.com/paula-deen-is-the-victim-of-a-lynch-mob-says-anne -r i-566468269

"Never heard of her, don't know anything about the case, but hey she's a fat Southern lady who uses the N-word, she's OK in my book. So what if she uses the N-word as long as she's not saying it to blacks? Your political correctness is just like white Southerners lynching black people".
 
2013-07-02 11:50:24 AM  

sigdiamond2000: So Anne Rice is basically insane then, huh?


All female authors with the initials "A.R." are bugf**k insane.
 
2013-07-02 11:51:02 AM  
That would be a great way to upgrade Paula Deen's standing in the world from "old Southerner with racist tendencies and a horrible diet" to "sleazy c*nt."
 
2013-07-02 11:52:14 AM  
I think the concept of "standing" has been around a lot longer than two weeks.
 
2013-07-02 11:53:05 AM  

jso2897: All female authors with the initials "A.R." are bugf**k insane.


images.politico.com

... yup, checks out so far...
 
2013-07-02 11:54:42 AM  

jso2897: sigdiamond2000: So Anne Rice is basically insane then, huh?

All female authors with the initials "A.R." are bugf**k insane.


Ann Rule doesn't seem insane. Good writer, seemed normal on the few interviews I've seen.
 
2013-07-02 11:56:10 AM  
Too late. The lawsuit has already cost her millions.

Next time keep your Wedding Slaves Fantasy to yourself.
 
2013-07-02 11:56:23 AM  
"Deen's lawyers first mounted the standing argument ina December motion to dismiss the lawsuit, writing that Jackson can't sue Deen and her brother Bobby Hiers for racial discrimination because she herself is white. "

Pffft.

"Those racists were aware I have minorities in my family and targeted me for harassment."
 
2013-07-02 11:56:34 AM  

Aarontology: Hostile work environment, maybe?


Are you saying Paula Deen is Little Miss Hostile Work Environment?
si0.twimg.com
starcasm.net

// I guess I can sorta see it
// well, maybe not "little"
 
2013-07-02 12:14:40 PM  
So telling a white woman "You're my little Jew girl" and "You're almost a Jew" is ok?

And the accused sexual harassment from both Deen and her brother should be dismissed because the plaintiff is white?

I don't think Ms. Deen's lawyer's thought their cunning plan through...
 
2013-07-02 12:15:28 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Too late. The lawsuit has already cost her millions.

Next time keep your Wedding Slaves Fantasy to yourself.


Or better yet, when your boss asks you to work her Wedding Slaves Fantasy even for free, just say no.
 
2013-07-02 12:19:55 PM  
Honestly with her having lost a bunch of endorsement deals, her tv show, and with her brand basically being shiat now I think the ultimate aim of the lawsuit was achieved. I'm sure the plaintiffs would prefer to be paid for the suffering Deen tossed at them though...
 
2013-07-02 12:22:58 PM  
VEry misleading headline.  The justice broke no real new ground in standing Jurisprudence in the Prop * case, they just re-iterated long-standing priciples.  Deen's lawyer are just citing the case for brownie points,  showing they are up to date on the newest and freshest laws.   But yeah there is a huge standing issue in this case overall, not that it really matters at this point,  By leaking the deposition, plaintiff's lawyers have already done all the damage to Deen they could possibly do.   Which, frankly was stupid, as that deposition could have been leverage for a decent settlement with a confidentiality clause.

To be clear, I'm not defending Deen or her horrible attempts at damage control, but it IS pretty clear this lawsuit was a fairly naked extortion attempt
 
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2013-07-02 12:24:53 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Uranus Is Huge!: Too late. The lawsuit has already cost her millions.

Next time keep your Wedding Slaves Fantasy to yourself.

Or better yet, when your boss asks you to work her Wedding Slaves Fantasy even for free, just say no.


Go and take pictures/video and post it on the internet so we can laugh everyone involved right off the face of the earth.
 
2013-07-02 12:27:07 PM  

Diogenes: Please read the complaint.  This is not because of the stupid N-word.

I'm not going to discuss this anymore.  Everyone has a freaking strong opinion and they're all poorly informed.


I'm poorly-informed but have no strong opinion, (beyond, perhaps "go be fat somewhere else" on Deen), inform me!
 
2013-07-02 12:28:10 PM  

Aarontology: cman: That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

Hostile work environment, maybe? I know when it comes to stuff like sexual harassment laws, someone doesn't need to be the target of the harassment to be able to report it.


Having done employment law, I'm guessing the complaint was based on some sort of retaliation theory.   Employment lawyers love adding a retaliation claim to an ED lawsuit because employment discrimination is notoriously hard to prove without a smoking gun.  However , aiming that you were retaliated for reporting discrimination is easier, and the you have basis for suit even if you are retailiated against in any ay for speaking up about, or complaining about  the discrimination you percieve is happening to others in your workplace.  You can win a retaliation claim, even if you fail to prove there actually WAS any discrimination at all.  All you need to prove is that you spoke up about discrimination you felt was occuring, and you suffered an adverse job action as a result
 
2013-07-02 12:29:38 PM  

TheBigJerk: Diogenes: Please read the complaint.  This is not because of the stupid N-word.

I'm not going to discuss this anymore.  Everyone has a freaking strong opinion and they're all poorly informed.

I'm poorly-informed but have no strong opinion, (beyond, perhaps "go be fat somewhere else" on Deen), inform me!


http://www.atlawblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Jackson-v.-Deen- et -al.-Complaint.pdf
 
2013-07-02 12:32:42 PM  
The prop 8 standing issue deals with the backers of propositions not being allowed to defend their proposition in federal court.
This suit, while still bogus, has nothing to do with standing.
It's like asking a lawsuit to be thrown out because it contains the word "The" in its ruling just like "Roe v Wade" contains the word "The" in its ruling
 
2013-07-02 12:32:58 PM  

MrBallou: MrBallou: Don't be an idiot.
They are not equal; One has jail time, the other does not.
But if it is public? The public reation is the same.

The public reaction should not be the same. Rape is considerablY worse than being called a bad name, hurtful as that may be.


The public reaction is (and should be) the same only in that it's a permanent stain.  The old, "What's my name?  Well i built many bridges, I delivered many parcels, but you go and screw ONE goat..." joke.
 
2013-07-02 12:34:46 PM  
I'm a white guy, but if someone started throwing the n-word around at work in a casual way, I would be mighty uncomfortable about it. Even to the point of calling a hostile work environment.

If the company never hired anyone who might be offended by it (and avoided ever disclosing to any individual why they weren't hired) there would be racial discrimination occurring, but nobody with standing who was directly affected (except the job applicants, who would probably have no idea why they weren't hired).
 
2013-07-02 12:36:25 PM  

MrBallou: silo123j: MrBallou: cman: cman: WOW

That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

She wasnt a victim of racial discrimination.

To elaborate, it still doesnt excuse Deen for what she did. Its just that this lawsuit is bullshiat. Deen does deserve to have her take a hit.

We shun people who break special rules. You drop the N bomb, you are shunned. You rape a child, you are shunned. This is human and there is nothing wrong with shunning her.

Using a racist word = raping a child? Really?

Do you go on a life-long "PC Offender" registry and can't live withing 500 yards of a watermelon patch? Sheesh.


Don't be an idiot.
They are not equal; One has jail time, the other does not.
But if it is public? The public reation is the same.

The public reaction should not be the same. Rape is considerable worse than being called a bad name, hurtful as that may be.


The public is farking stupid.
 
2013-07-02 12:36:27 PM  
Paula Deen's race lawsuit could be dismissed because of...Prop 8 she's old, white and rich - which in the USA means you're a living god of character and frugality.
 
2013-07-02 12:38:22 PM  
This is BS it still makes a hostile work environment even if you are not the one that the abuses are directed at.
 
2013-07-02 12:39:33 PM  

TheBigJerk: MrBallou: MrBallou: Don't be an idiot.
They are not equal; One has jail time, the other does not.
But if it is public? The public reation is the same.

The public reaction should not be the same. Rape is considerablY worse than being called a bad name, hurtful as that may be.

The public reaction is (and should be) the same only in that it's a permanent stain.  The old, "What's my name?  Well i built many bridges, I delivered many parcels, but you go and screw ONE goat..." joke.


th08.deviantart.net
 
2013-07-02 12:40:39 PM  

cman: WOW

That does make a little bit of sense. How can someone be racially discriminated against for hearing ethnic slurs of others ethnicity and not her own?

She wasnt a victim of racial discrimination.


IIRC, Ms. Jackson was the employer of the black people in question. She wasn't just some random bystander, her business was suffering harm by virtue of her employees suffering.
 
2013-07-02 12:40:41 PM  
Meanwhile on Facebook, the supporters of the Party Of Personal Responsibility...

fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net

...oops. Never mind.

/I wonder if they're as weak on past crimes as they are on past personal responsibility. Although, to be fair, it has only been  23 years since Glenn Beck raped and killed a girl.
 
2013-07-02 12:43:00 PM  

Diogenes: I'm not going to discuss this anymore. Everyone has a freaking strong opinion and they're all poorly informed.


Damn, you're taking this pretty rough. If poorly informed people with strong opinions cause you that much distress, I would advise you to stay away from the politics tab for a while (certainly, keep well clear of the next few Snowden threads).
 
2013-07-02 12:48:55 PM  

meat0918: I don't think Ms. Deen's lawyer's thought their cunning plan through...


The plan was probably "get paid", and I'm sure it's Mission Accomplished.
 
2013-07-02 12:51:25 PM  

Jackpot777: Meanwhile on Facebook, the supporters of the Party Of Personal Responsibility...

[fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 480x480]

...oops. Never mind.

/I wonder if they're as weak on past crimes as they are on past personal responsibility. Although, to be fair, it has only been  23 years since Glenn Beck raped and killed a girl.


SHOULD MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS BE PUNISHED BECAUSE THEIR FAMILY BROUGHT THEM ACROSS THE BOARDER 23 YEARS AGO?

I figure they would have a difference response to that.
 
2013-07-02 12:52:27 PM  

Jackpot777: /I wonder if they're as weak on past crimes as they are on past personal responsibility.


Depends. Did you know TED KENNEDY LEFT A WOMAN FOR DEAD some 40-odd years ago? And George W. Bush's escapades from his Jack Daniels and cocaine days and Laura Bush's vehicular homicide are NONE OF YOUR GOD DAMNED BUSINESS!!!!


/see? both sides are bad!
 
2013-07-02 12:57:24 PM  
(Reads article)...but it just as likely won't be dismissed.
 
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