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2013-07-02 10:00:07 AM
There would be one-hour waits at airport security....but none of those things happened.

That did happen, you pair of miscreants. It was only undone because the gutless yambags in Congress decided they didn't want to deal with their own fallout as they were leaving for a recess.

As for the rest...well, we all know that if you get stabbed with a knife in the belly and don't die instantly on that spot, you're going to be totally fine.
 
2013-07-02 10:05:04 AM

Pocket Ninja: As for the rest...well, we all know that if you get stabbed with a knife in the belly and don't die instantly on that spot, you're going to be totally fine.


With growth at just under 2% for the 2nd quarter, it's looking less like a knife to the gut and more like pricking your finger. The bigger threat is the Fed quitting bond-buys by Labor Day.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 10:09:23 AM
Unless you're poor and rely on community health centers or one of the other health programs cut, but I guess subby didn't include them in "we".
 
2013-07-02 10:09:25 AM
People take shiat to the extremes.

We need to stop bullshiatting ourselves and stop being afraid of our own farking shadows.

The apocalypse isnt coming! Even if it were there is nothing we could do about it.
 
2013-07-02 10:23:51 AM

Pocket Ninja: There would be one-hour waits at airport security....but none of those things happened.

That did happen, you pair of miscreants. It was only undone because the gutless yambags in Congress decided they didn't want to deal with their own fallout as they were leaving for a recess.

As for the rest...well, we all know that if you get stabbed with a knife in the belly and don't die instantly on that spot, you're going to be totally fine.


wait... not sure if serious.

because i agree with everything you said, and normally, well, you know...
 
2013-07-02 10:27:31 AM
So the best congress is an ineffective congress?
 
2013-07-02 10:29:56 AM
So many predictions fell short because, in recent months, the administration and Congress did what was supposed to be impossible: They undid many of sequestration's scariest reductions

So it would seem that by not actually reducing spending, we avoided the consequences.
 
2013-07-02 10:46:29 AM

vpb: Unless you're poor and rely on community health centers or one of the other health programs cut, but I guess subby didn't include them in "we".


Those things don't get reported on in the news, so it's all good. Out of sight, out of mind.

But God help us if a Congressperson has to wait at an airport an extra hour. They put a stop to THAT particular cut-back right quick.
 
2013-07-02 10:51:45 AM
Yeah guys, all that is over, it's fine now.
 
2013-07-02 10:51:52 AM
Yes, well, science in the US is experiencing a disaster but who needs them learned people?
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v498/n7455/full/nj7455-527a.html
 
2013-07-02 10:55:49 AM
I don't know about other Federal programs, but the Navy just started the furlough this period.  They pushed the cuts to the money they'd be spending at the end of the year, so the wife's getting a 20% pay cut starting for work done this week. It's not the end of the world, but it still stinks.
 
2013-07-02 10:56:17 AM
I'm still not convinced we've been hit by it fully yet.  I deal with a lot of people that take government money and they were pulling more shenanigans than usual last month because the lockdown on their funds didn't start until the new fiscal year (which started yesterday).
 
2013-07-02 10:57:10 AM
The cuts to unemployment payments have just come into effect in a number of states.
 
2013-07-02 10:57:40 AM
Unless you've been effected by the sequester, you haven't been effected by the sequester.

Got it.
 
2013-07-02 10:59:09 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Unless you've been effected by the sequester, you haven't been effected by the sequester.

Got it.


The sequester was pushed as something that would slide us back into a recession. That was the big talking point. It didnt happen.
 
2013-07-02 10:59:13 AM
So basically they just held up our government and trashed the credit rating for nothing.
 
2013-07-02 10:59:26 AM

palelizard: I don't know about other Federal programs, but the Navy just started the furlough this period.  They pushed the cuts to the money they'd be spending at the end of the year, so the wife's getting a 20% pay cut starting for work done this week. It's not the end of the world, but it still stinks.


Yep, mine starts next week.

/Army
 
2013-07-02 11:00:18 AM

Dr Dreidel: Pocket Ninja: As for the rest...well, we all know that if you get stabbed with a knife in the belly and don't die instantly on that spot, you're going to be totally fine.

With growth at just under 2% for the 2nd quarter, it's looking less like a knife to the gut and more like pricking your finger. The bigger threat is the Fed quitting bond-buys by Labor Day.


Growth just under 2% is pretty weak, especially when pre-sequester predictions were quite a bit higher. Slashing government spending hasn't killed the economy, but it's certainly having a significant impact on the recovery, not to mention the people who actually relied on those programs.
 
2013-07-02 11:01:30 AM

Pocket Ninja: There would be one-hour waits at airport security....but none of those things happened.

That did happen, you pair of miscreants. It was only undone because the gutless yambags in Congress decided they didn't want to deal with their own fallout as they were leaving for a recess.

As for the rest...well, we all know that if you get stabbed with a knife in the belly and don't die instantly on that spot, you're going to be totally fine.


That and making air travel even more inconvenient would be a burden on well off people who travel a lot for business.
 
2013-07-02 11:01:39 AM
Seems Subtard has a short f'n memory.
 
2013-07-02 11:01:50 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Unless you've been effected by the sequester, you haven't been effected by the sequester.

Got it.


Also, they undid many of the proposed spending cuts so spending cuts clearly don't do anything bad.
 
2013-07-02 11:02:23 AM

cman: The sequester was pushed as something that would slide us back into a recession. That was the big talking point.


Whose talking point? The CBO said it would cut GDP growth by about 1.5%. Nothing about a recession.
 
2013-07-02 11:03:13 AM
A relative of mine who works for the FBI was talking about the furloughs that he is going to start going through. His wife added "because of Obama."

Since we had to spend the rest of the week at their house as a guest, I decided against explaining the non-Fox News version of how the sequestration works.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:02 AM
Tell that to my friend that got furloughed.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:03 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: The sequester was pushed as something that would slide us back into a recession. That was the big talking point.

Whose talking point? The CBO said it would cut GDP growth by about 1.5%. Nothing about a recession.


Are you serious? I know that Americans have short attention spans, but Jesus. It was the biggest talking point in the media.
 
2013-07-02 11:06:35 AM

cman: Are you serious?


Yes.

That headline: The Sequester Could Cause A Recession

Quite a big difference between could and would.
 
2013-07-02 11:07:01 AM

snowshovel: A relative of mine who works for the FBI was talking about the furloughs that he is going to start going through. His wife added "because of Obama."

Since we had to spend the rest of the week at their house as a guest, I decided against explaining the non-Fox News version of how the sequestration works.


You'd think a proponent of smaller government would be thrilled with government cut backs.
 
2013-07-02 11:07:31 AM

cman: Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: The sequester was pushed as something that would slide us back into a recession. That was the big talking point.

Whose talking point? The CBO said it would cut GDP growth by about 1.5%. Nothing about a recession.

Are you serious? I know that Americans have short attention spans, but Jesus. It was the biggest talking point in the media.


From your link...

The latest warning about the dangers of the "sequester" -- the $85 billion in -- comes from Bank of America chief economist Ethan Harris. In a research note on Friday, Harris writes that he expects this painful shot of austerity to slow GDP growth to just 1 percent in the second quarter, with job growth averaging less than 100,000 per month for those three months.

That is not exactly recession territory, but it is dangerously close. Harris's numbers match up pretty well with those of other private-sector economists, including Macroeconomic Advisers. The the sequester would gouge about 1.25 percent from GDP growth in the second quarter, leaving growth at a paltry 1.2 percent. Macro Advisers said the sequester could cost the economy 700,000 jobs through 2014.



You might want to start reading more than the headline of the articles you link to.
 
2013-07-02 11:08:38 AM
I had plans to see the Blue Angels. That was cancelled.

I had plans to go to Fleet week. Cancelled.


So instead maybe I *will* do a Mad Max cosplay event

www.wastelandweekend.com/
 
2013-07-02 11:08:54 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: cman: Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: The sequester was pushed as something that would slide us back into a recession. That was the big talking point.

Whose talking point? The CBO said it would cut GDP growth by about 1.5%. Nothing about a recession.

Are you serious? I know that Americans have short attention spans, but Jesus. It was the biggest talking point in the media.

From your link...

The latest warning about the dangers of the "sequester" -- the $85 billion in -- comes from Bank of America chief economist Ethan Harris. In a research note on Friday, Harris writes that he expects this painful shot of austerity to slow GDP growth to just 1 percent in the second quarter, with job growth averaging less than 100,000 per month for those three months.

That is not exactly recession territory, but it is dangerously close. Harris's numbers match up pretty well with those of other private-sector economists, including Macroeconomic Advisers. The the sequester would gouge about 1.25 percent from GDP growth in the second quarter, leaving growth at a paltry 1.2 percent. Macro Advisers said the sequester could cost the economy 700,000 jobs through 2014.


You might want to start reading more than the headline of the articles you link to.


Now why would I do that?

/Kidding
 
2013-07-02 11:09:25 AM
In October, when the new fiscal year begins, so will another round of sequestration. The administration expects a $109 billion cut.

This time, it says, there will be fewer ways to soften its impact. Many of the easier trims have already been made. The White House is again pressing Congress to agree on a broader budget deal, and replace the sequester, before October comes.


This will actually be a problem. They're talking Reduction in Force (RIF) cuts next year. Basically, the govt may start firing people.
 
2013-07-02 11:10:25 AM

Albino Squid: Dr Dreidel: Pocket Ninja: As for the rest...well, we all know that if you get stabbed with a knife in the belly and don't die instantly on that spot, you're going to be totally fine.

With growth at just under 2% for the 2nd quarter, it's looking less like a knife to the gut and more like pricking your finger. The bigger threat is the Fed quitting bond-buys by Labor Day.

Growth just under 2% is pretty weak, especially when pre-sequester predictions were quite a bit higher. Slashing government spending hasn't killed the economy, but it's certainly having a significant impact on the recovery, not to mention the people who actually relied on those programs.


I recall predictions that had us at weaker growth without the cuts, trimmed by another 1.5% by the sequester. We are still getting out of recession - I'd like to see 5% growth every quarter, but I'll take a hamstrung sub-2% over a non-hamstrung 1.5% any day. What really hurt in Q2 was Bernanke suggesting the Fed might stop bond-buys - May's numbers were all over the place.

Put another way: if we can make it through the sequester with sub-2% growth, "the new normal" will likely build on that. We'll get to 3 soon enough.

// we can still do some other things, e.g. to the tax code, that would help grow GDP - I'm not opposed to that
 
2013-07-02 11:11:05 AM
It is too early to tell. Not everything that will happen has happened. Lots of fed employees are now starting their furloughs this week.
 
2013-07-02 11:12:25 AM

PanicMan: palelizard: I don't know about other Federal programs, but the Navy just started the furlough this period.  They pushed the cuts to the money they'd be spending at the end of the year, so the wife's getting a 20% pay cut starting for work done this week. It's not the end of the world, but it still stinks.

Yep, mine starts next week.

/Army


Ditto. But the 20% cut results in 20-25% gross take home pay loss on average (23% for me).   Especially awesome for us primary providers trying to raise a young family.

/Navy Civ
//Time for the classics: Diapers, Natty-Ice and Ramen!
 
2013-07-02 11:12:34 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: cman: Are you serious?

Yes.

That headline: The Sequester Could Cause A Recession

Quite a big difference between could and would.


your forgetting the difference between new headlines, and the 12 hours of opinion show head lines.
 
2013-07-02 11:13:00 AM

stappawho: It is too early to tell. Not everything that will happen has happened. Lots of fed employees are now starting their furloughs this week.


This.

And just wait to people have to wait in line a lot longer when they have to take care of business at a government office.
 
2013-07-02 11:15:29 AM

cman: Lionel Mandrake: Unless you've been effected by the sequester, you haven't been effected by the sequester.

Got it.

The sequester was pushed as something that would slide us back into a recession. That was the big talking point. It didnt happen.


As others in this thread have pointed out, it's not done yet.
 
2013-07-02 11:16:04 AM

VoodooTaco: Ditto. But the 20% cut results in 20-25% gross take home pay loss on average (23% for me). Especially awesome for us primary providers trying to raise a young family.

/Navy Civ
//Time for the classics: Diapers, Natty-Ice and Ramen!


They say that the private sector is da shiznite.... you may have to trade in the security of public-sector work for the unending cascade of golden wealth that flows upon those who work in the private sector.
 
2013-07-02 11:16:15 AM
Also:
www.davehulihan.com

He looks legit. Maybe he CAN solve our problems...

// he's a doctor, after all
 
2013-07-02 11:16:40 AM
Translation of headline: "Cuts which don't affect me are fine with me" - Retarded White Trash Subby"
 
2013-07-02 11:20:45 AM

VoodooTaco: Ditto. But the 20% cut results in 20-25% gross take home pay loss on average (23% for me). Especially awesome for us primary providers trying to raise a young family.

/Navy Civ
//Time for the classics: Diapers, Natty-Ice and Ramen!


That sucks dude. Good people are going to get screwed on this, through no fault of thier own. The effects will be long term. For no goddamn reason.
 
2013-07-02 11:24:19 AM

DON.MAC: So the best congress is an ineffective congress?


After your legislative agenda is enacted, yes.
 
2013-07-02 11:25:55 AM
Remember how the sequester was supposed to turn America into Mad Max meets Lord of the Flies?

No, and I farking hate this trend where, if someone says there will be the slightest problem with something, some "journalist" somewhere will pretend like they predicted the end of the world.
 
2013-07-02 11:26:17 AM
We're done with our mandatory "everybody works at 80%" for two months as of yesterday. It hurt, but I was able to bring packed lunches, and make some other changes....we also laid off 22 people, I think 2-3 of them were hired back yesterday.
 
2013-07-02 11:28:56 AM

vernonFL: I had plans to see the Blue Angels. That was cancelled.

I had plans to go to Fleet week. Cancelled.


So instead maybe I *will* do a Mad Max cosplay event

www.wastelandweekend.com/


That's cool looking.  Is it a LARP or just a bunch of folk admiring each other leathers for the weekend?
 
2013-07-02 11:29:28 AM
Some of us can live with a little less spending... those seniors who were on Meals on Wheels, or the people who were dependent on funding for cancer treatment centers... well, they die... but that's the conservative faux-christian way.. I guess that's what you end up with when you print "I got mine." on the front of a bible.
 
2013-07-02 11:31:53 AM

PanicMan: palelizard: I don't know about other Federal programs, but the Navy just started the furlough this period.  They pushed the cuts to the money they'd be spending at the end of the year, so the wife's getting a 20% pay cut starting for work done this week. It's not the end of the world, but it still stinks.

Yep, mine starts next week.

/Army


Mine got "suspended" indefinitely because I work for an agency that was able to slightly inconvenience Congress during their vacations.

But the contractors I work with have been cut to the bone, with no end in sight.
 
2013-07-02 11:32:12 AM

PanicMan: VoodooTaco: Ditto. But the 20% cut results in 20-25% gross take home pay loss on average (23% for me). Especially awesome for us primary providers trying to raise a young family.

/Navy Civ
//Time for the classics: Diapers, Natty-Ice and Ramen!

That sucks dude. Good people are going to get screwed on this, through no fault of thier own. The effects will be long term. For no goddamn reason.


The government paid for my fiancee's grad school and to train her, but, thanks to the sequester, they can't pay to keep her. Oh well, thanks for the paid training and graduate degree, taxpayers. It's a shame Congress was too stupid to get a good employee out of it.
 
2013-07-02 11:34:39 AM

vpb: Unless you're poor and rely on community health centers or one of the other health programs cut, but I guess subby didn't include them in "we".


or if you're about to miss out on two weeks pay due to furloughs.  But I guess I'm not part of the "we" either.
 
2013-07-02 11:35:26 AM
Meh. What's slowing the economy is tax hikes, the elimination of rhe temporary reduction in payroll taxes and especially the expiration of a portion of the Bush tax cuts. That's the farking killer. The sequestration is just a small reduction in our overspending.

/just kidding. The economy is slow for many reasons, and is probably a bit slower due to the tax hikes and the sequester. Doesn't mean they aren't appropriate. Got to pay our bills sometime.
 
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