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(Boston Globe)   Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measures   (bostonglobe.com) divider line 62
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2013-07-02 11:03:27 AM
9 votes:
We really really let the terrorists win this time.
2013-07-02 11:23:01 AM
8 votes:
Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.
2013-07-02 11:02:08 AM
7 votes:
I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."
2013-07-02 11:20:38 AM
6 votes:

Mangoose: 2) Why is this asinine?


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2013-07-02 11:11:18 AM
6 votes:
the terrorists won.
2013-07-02 11:04:33 AM
6 votes:
Strict security measures would make sense if the guys who had done the bombing were still at large and able to do it again.

They're just a theatrical waste of money without an actual threat.
2013-07-02 11:42:52 AM
5 votes:

russlar: the terrorists won.




We are being spent into the ground. It worked on the Soviets.
2013-07-02 12:05:10 PM
3 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.


When people say "the terrorists have won", they're referring to the fact that, with a tiny attack, our government will spend millions upon millions of dollars and will strip away our rights in the name of security theater. It's not saying "zomg terrorists" as you apparently think.
2013-07-02 11:56:10 AM
3 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measuresThe vast majority of us are doing just fine, thanks.  Unlike the snivelling weenies in this thread, feeling all defeated and vexed on our behalves.Go screw yourselves, seriously.

Not sure where the hostility comes from, but did you actually read TFA:"Others call new rules banning everything from backpacks to wheeled coolers Draconian... Visitors will also be banned from carrying in cans, glass containers, pre-mixed beverages, liquids greater than 2 liters, or any sharp objects. They will not be allowed to grill, and all blankets, tents, and other items must be carried in see-through bags."Bear in mind that this is all to celebrate an event where the early Americans basically taunted the British Empire (by signing the Declaration of Independence), starting a war they knew would probably leave most of them dead in the name of independence....yet we're honoring an event where our predecessors displayed reckless disregard for their personal safety in the name of freedom by forcing people to pack their picnic blankets in ziplocks and banning soda & mixed drinks.What happened to the big brass balls? Can you really not see the irony?
2013-07-02 11:24:31 AM
3 votes:
These are the same Bostonians who collectively shiat their pants over a fugitive teenager and shut down their city for days over it? Those proud sons and daughters of the revolution who let SWAT teams search under their mattresses for terrorists? Boohoo.
2013-07-02 11:12:53 AM
3 votes:
Well I think the police and the military should conduct thorough house to house searches over the entire Boston area to make sure everyone is safe before and after the marathon...
2013-07-02 11:06:34 AM
3 votes:
Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.
2013-07-02 04:34:13 PM
2 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: The My Little Pony Killer: The only 'sniveling weenie' in this story is the idiot who decided that a full-on ban on fun would somehow create safety.

You're a goddamned moron.

The My Little Pony Killer: Once again, the only thing wetting their bed here is the city of Boston. Please try to pay attention before twisting up your panties.

We're fine, but thanks for your totally-uninformed concern.

The My Little Pony Killer: Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.

Maybe not everyone, but you, for sure.

robbiex0r: I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.

Good for you.

Vitamin Pb: Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!

Over-react much?  Douchebag.


Oh look, another indignant soul who doesn't grasp what terrorism is about. I'll give you a hint: it's exactly what's going on right now with this event.

If you're so god damn afraid of dying to a terrorist attack, it's  YOU who should be staying home, not everyone else because their ability to go about their normal lives is being neutered by some overreaching authorities that makes not a single farking difference in the actual risk of being killed by a terrorist attack.

The terrorists are getting  exactly what they want, and morons like you only help their cause.
2013-07-02 03:20:24 PM
2 votes:
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
2013-07-02 03:01:57 PM
2 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: enemy of the state: The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.

Yeah, whatever you say, Eric.


You have a point. Extra security this year is a good idea and I should have made that clear.

My point is that I see this stuff from the inside and the mentality of the government scares me.

Let me make myself clear. There are real and terrible security threats out there which, believe me, are not hypothetical. Overreaction to minor stuff such as this has the effect of eroding liberties little by little, and of diverting resources and focus from real threats.
2013-07-02 02:52:24 PM
2 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.

When people say "the terrorists have won", they're referring to the fact that, with a tiny attack, our government will spend millions upon millions of dollars and will strip away our rights in the name of security theater. It's not saying "zomg terrorists" as you apparently think.

I'm no fan of security theater, as you rightly call it.  But are you saying that increased security at this year's fourth is somehow unreasonable?  And are you really saying that having to bring liquids in clear bottles in order to go to the Esplanade is somehow an assault on some fundamental freedom?


This year, clear plastic bottles and no cans of Diet Coke. Next year, three ounce limits, just like the airlines. After that, who knows. Hell, you can't even bring a 5 ounce tube toothpaste on a plane anymore. Thats idiotic.

 I work in a government agency that deals with terrorism. There are a shiatload of people in the department who make their living by coming up with all sorts of ridiculous scenarios and pushing incredibly ineffective (and usually amazingly expensive) and inconvenient ways of preventing them. The whole mentality grows on itself, it's a complete snowball effect and I have no idea of where it might end. Take away the imaginary threats, get a grip on reality, and they're pounding the pavement looking for a new job. They don't want that to happen.

A few weeks ago I made a similar post, and a guy replied that he liked to make his own soap, but because of homeland security crap he couldn't buy 4 ounce bottles of lye anymore at craft shops. He *could* buy gallon jugs of the stuff elsewhere. I guess the rationale was that terrorists would be too stupid to put the lye in smaller containers or would just bag their terrorist ways because of the inconvenience.

If the government is going to take the time to deal with that sort of alternate reality, where is it going to stop?

The only reason for this stuff at Boston is that alot of people have cushy jobs and to keep them they need to convince other people there's a boogeyman behind every bush. Also, $overtime$ is a big incentive.

The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.
2013-07-02 01:21:38 PM
2 votes:
FTFA:
But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

I don't think you understand what those words mean.
2013-07-02 12:06:53 PM
2 votes:

Mangoose: 1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
2013-07-02 11:59:25 AM
2 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: Gunny Highway: I have not heard one person talk about not celebrating the 4th.  The Hatch Shell and the surrounding area can be pretty crazy though so if there was more security I wouldnt be offended.

Doesn't it warm your heart thought that all these cringing assholes can declare defeat on our behalves? I know I'm going to be having a great time and watching the fireworks from the same spot as every year, no problems.  I guess that doesn't fit their apocolyptic paranoid narrative, though.


Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.
2013-07-02 11:35:08 AM
2 votes:
Celebrating what you don't have is so Orwellian, this event will be more of a funeral than a party.
2013-07-02 11:29:48 AM
2 votes:

DoBeDoBeDo: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.


This is real TNT (the stuff from the road-runner cartoons):

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Note that it's not a liquid.  In fact, it can be melted and formed into just about any solid shape you desire: a bar of soap, a backpack handle, wheels for a cart, etc., etc., etc.

The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.  The vast majority of the ones in common use look basically like plastic.

/ chemical engineer
2013-07-02 11:29:19 AM
2 votes:
We lay claim to the title "the home of the brave" in our national anthem (repeatedly, if you count each verse, not that anyone knows beyond the first). Can we still call that claim legitimate if we cannot accept even the tiniest risks?
2013-07-02 11:25:35 AM
2 votes:
Those regulations are asinine.

Were I in charge, I'd cancel the event entirely rather than going as far as what they describe in TFA.  Just admit that the terrorists won rather than demonstrating the fact by making an obscene spectacle out of "security".
2013-07-02 11:13:51 AM
2 votes:
Pat Rioux and her best friend have been going to the Esplanade every year for the past decade. If they cannot bring a cooler, she said, they'll find food and drinks at the concessions. "It will cramp our style a bit," she said. But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

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2013-07-02 11:09:54 AM
2 votes:
Mangoose [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 09:51:07 AM


1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?

It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.
2013-07-02 05:02:54 PM
1 votes:
Terrorists won.   Assisted 100% by the US politicians.
2013-07-02 04:34:03 PM
1 votes:
andreakristenpack.com

We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... - Edward R. Murrow, See It Now, 1954
2013-07-02 04:33:29 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Wow, it's really really sad that Boston is allowing themselves to remain terrorized.


If only they had a tradition of standing up against tyranny and injustice.
2013-07-02 04:03:53 PM
1 votes:
"If we can't bring backpacks, it's just not worth the hassle," said Glidden, 55, of Lynn. "I'd need a large bag to carry sweatshirts, drinks, snacks, sunscreen, cellphones, etc. I can't imagine what someone with a child in diapers would do."

Yup. I don't attend any events where I can't bring my stuff. The terrorists have won.
2013-07-02 02:18:53 PM
1 votes:
Im shocked, SHOCKED, that Boston's police continue to full derp.
2013-07-02 02:04:03 PM
1 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.

Again - the type of folks who go to this thing? F*ck 'em. Let them get overcharged.  None of this will affect me or anyone I know in any way whatsoever.


Christ, what an asshole.
2013-07-02 01:45:12 PM
1 votes:
Yet another example of how the terrorists won.


/live in fear, always
2013-07-02 01:45:10 PM
1 votes:
Celebrate your freedom by giving it up.
2013-07-02 12:52:33 PM
1 votes:

russlar: the terrorists won.


This.
2013-07-02 12:35:54 PM
1 votes:
This is so pitiful.

I refuse to believe this is not an onion article.
2013-07-02 12:23:29 PM
1 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.


I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.
2013-07-02 12:20:16 PM
1 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: jshine: Not sure where the hostility comes from, but did you actually read TFA

Yeah, I get the Globe every morning. And I know the area where the restrictions are in force and it's tiny and you couldn't pay me enough to go there.

The rest of you assholes just don't know what you're talking about. That's where the hostility comes from.


Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.
2013-07-02 12:20:00 PM
1 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: I'm no fan of security theater, as you rightly call it.  But are you saying that increased security at this year's fourth is somehow unreasonable?


Yep. It's unreasonable because it's useless. If you were so minded, you could walk right up to the chest-high security fence around the Hatch lawn and throw something over. More so, the prohibitions allow as much liquid as you want, provided you break it up into 2-liter bottles. And even a single 2-liter bottle could make a pretty good explosive device.Hell, the regulations didn't even say anything about pressure cookers.
So, yeah, it's unreasonable. It's like a lot of DRM schemes that require entering a word in a manual or require a CD to be in the drive before a program will run - they're trivial for pirates to circumnavigate, and only piss off people who  aren't a problem. In the same way, the security prohibitions will only affect people who have no interest in causing a problem.

Which makes you wonder the real point... Notice this line in the article?

Others said they will make do, even if they are unhappy about the restrictions.
Pat Rioux and her best friend have been going to the Esplanade every year for the past decade. If they cannot bring a cooler, she said, they'll find food and drinks at the concessions.


The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.
2013-07-02 12:19:42 PM
1 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: BunkoSquad: I guess everyone has their own definition of "sniveling weenies". Anyone who feels "well, they can do whatever they need to do to me to keep me feeling safe" fits my bill, but hey, freedom to interpret it your own way.

Yeah, I don't see going through security in order to attend a free outdoor event within an enclosed area as a great affront to my liberty.  But maybe I'm more robust than you.


Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!
2013-07-02 12:15:39 PM
1 votes:

what_now: Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.


Not surprising when we cower over too much toothpaste and hair gel on planes.

When do we get to be Home of the Brave[tm] again?
2013-07-02 12:12:16 PM
1 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: Yeah, I don't see going through security in order to attend a free outdoor event within an enclosed area as a great affront to my liberty. But maybe I'm more robust than you.


Maybe you are. I just don't think that participating in this make-work, undoubtedly half-assed, feel-good show of whatever it is they're showing is the way I need to celebrate a city's freedom.
2013-07-02 12:10:14 PM
1 votes:

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


On Patriot's Day, they locked down Boston in Martial Law. Fitting.

/change we can believe in
2013-07-02 12:09:27 PM
1 votes:
Wow, it's really really sad that Boston is allowing themselves to remain terrorized.
2013-07-02 12:07:15 PM
1 votes:
Is the Ironic tag in Guantanamo or being indefinitely detained by the NSA?

Because this is irony.
2013-07-02 12:02:23 PM
1 votes:
This crap is the reason I stopped going down to DC for fireworks. The mall is fenced in, you get searched, everything is banned. It's a joke now, all they need is someone on a loudspeaker saying "You will have fun under pain of imprisonment."
2013-07-02 12:01:20 PM
1 votes:

Zulu_as_Kono: The vast majority of us are doing just fine, thanks. Unlike the snivelling weenies in this thread, feeling all defeated and vexed on our behalves.


I guess everyone has their own definition of "sniveling weenies". Anyone who feels "well, they can do whatever they need to do to me to keep me feeling safe" fits my bill, but hey, freedom to interpret it your own way.
2013-07-02 11:53:58 AM
1 votes:

TheSelphie: The farkbags are closing major roadways the day BEFORE.  The ride home is going to be a disaster tomorrow.


What the f*ck would you be doing on the river roads on July 3 anyway? Oh, because you're an idiot, that's why.

/they close Storrow on the 3rd every year
2013-07-02 11:52:43 AM
1 votes:
Oh FFS. Just go curl up in a corner and cry then.

/the terrorists have won
2013-07-02 11:49:37 AM
1 votes:
You could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Does that make it a good enough reason to stay home, cowering under your bed? Put on your big boy pants and man up, Nancy.
2013-07-02 11:46:08 AM
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: We are being spent into the ground. It worked on the Soviets.


I'm always surprised that people aren't seeing the parallels between those two situations. I guess they don't get smarter with time.
2013-07-02 11:45:02 AM
1 votes:
Yeah security theatre is a fracking joke.
2013-07-02 11:27:16 AM
1 votes:

soopey: Challenge accepted.


Popov is gut rot.  I'm pretty sure you can get plastic handles of Sobieski for another $5-10.
2013-07-02 11:26:40 AM
1 votes:

what_now: Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.


One of whom is dead...but then again, zombies are really in right now.
2013-07-02 11:23:32 AM
1 votes:
FTFA:Visitors will also be banned from carrying in cans, glass containers, pre-mixed beverages, liquids greater than 2 liters, or any sharp objects.

Challenge accepted.

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2013-07-02 11:22:37 AM
1 votes:
used to go every year, set up a sunshade and bring a cooler... there's no way I'm going through all that hassle to get down there
and not be able to drink, grill, and set up shop on the esplenade. Gonnna go hiking or something instead
2013-07-02 11:21:52 AM
1 votes:

meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?


The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.
2013-07-02 11:14:23 AM
1 votes:
I've done it before - the 4th, and recently, the 3rd (where they do the whole musical program but without the fireworks, and there's 1/1,000th of the crowd) - but not amid this crap. Obviously having the public at a public event is inconvenient to the cops, so I'll oblige them and stay the hell away.
2013-07-02 11:13:06 AM
1 votes:
Boston Strong Butthurt
2013-07-02 11:11:59 AM
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: I'd sooner snort draino than be in Boston for the 4th.


Heat in the 90s, muggy weather, drunk South Shore Massholes, and standing-room only from one bridge to another... yeah, not on my to-do list.
2013-07-02 11:06:25 AM
1 votes:
It's a religious holiday. The Feast of St. Overtime.
2013-07-02 11:04:13 AM
1 votes:
Hundreds of cops armed to the teeth
Thousands of things going kaboom
Yeah the pigs won't find a reason to shoot somebody or their dog
2013-07-02 10:18:30 AM
1 votes:
"Last week, State Police said they will deploy hundreds of uniformed and undercover troopers, private security, federal agents, and National Guardsmen to the Esplanade on July 3 and 4....

.... David Procopio, a State Police spokesman. "We specifically didn't want to create the atmosphere of an armed camp, and we haven't created that atmosphere."

 

Uh huh, sure
 
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