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(Boston Globe)   Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measures   (bostonglobe.com) divider line 183
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2013-07-02 09:51:07 AM  
1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?
 
2013-07-02 10:18:30 AM  
"Last week, State Police said they will deploy hundreds of uniformed and undercover troopers, private security, federal agents, and National Guardsmen to the Esplanade on July 3 and 4....

.... David Procopio, a State Police spokesman. "We specifically didn't want to create the atmosphere of an armed camp, and we haven't created that atmosphere."

 

Uh huh, sure
 
2013-07-02 11:02:08 AM  
I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."
 
2013-07-02 11:03:27 AM  
We really really let the terrorists win this time.
 
2013-07-02 11:04:13 AM  
Hundreds of cops armed to the teeth
Thousands of things going kaboom
Yeah the pigs won't find a reason to shoot somebody or their dog
 
2013-07-02 11:04:24 AM  
You can't win for losing.
 
2013-07-02 11:04:33 AM  
Strict security measures would make sense if the guys who had done the bombing were still at large and able to do it again.

They're just a theatrical waste of money without an actual threat.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:02 AM  
True Bostonians will always find a way to whoop-ass a minority.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:34 AM  
I bet the Herald is having a hard time knowing how to spin this. "Protect the poor citizens of Metro Boston from evil scurry Moose Limbs" or "ZOMG!!! Citizens rounded up to FEMA camps!"
 
2013-07-02 11:06:25 AM  
It's a religious holiday. The Feast of St. Overtime.
 
2013-07-02 11:06:34 AM  
Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.
 
2013-07-02 11:06:55 AM  

BitwiseShift: It's a religious holiday. The Feast of St. Overtime.


I'm stealing that line.
 
2013-07-02 11:07:24 AM  
I'd sooner snort draino than be in Boston for the 4th.
 
2013-07-02 11:09:54 AM  
Mangoose [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 09:51:07 AM


1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?

It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.
 
2013-07-02 11:11:18 AM  
the terrorists won.
 
2013-07-02 11:11:59 AM  

FarkinHostile: I'd sooner snort draino than be in Boston for the 4th.


Heat in the 90s, muggy weather, drunk South Shore Massholes, and standing-room only from one bridge to another... yeah, not on my to-do list.
 
2013-07-02 11:12:53 AM  
Well I think the police and the military should conduct thorough house to house searches over the entire Boston area to make sure everyone is safe before and after the marathon...
 
2013-07-02 11:13:06 AM  
Boston Strong Butthurt
 
2013-07-02 11:13:51 AM  
Pat Rioux and her best friend have been going to the Esplanade every year for the past decade. If they cannot bring a cooler, she said, they'll find food and drinks at the concessions. "It will cramp our style a bit," she said. But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

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2013-07-02 11:14:23 AM  
I've done it before - the 4th, and recently, the 3rd (where they do the whole musical program but without the fireworks, and there's 1/1,000th of the crowd) - but not amid this crap. Obviously having the public at a public event is inconvenient to the cops, so I'll oblige them and stay the hell away.
 
2013-07-02 11:15:18 AM  
It's so crowded at the Hatch Shell on the 4th that you're better off watching at home. The olny way I would watch fireworks at the Charles River is to do what I did one year and pay the fee at the Community Boating House to watch from the dock. That was a fun time and not crowded like elsewhere.
 
2013-07-02 11:19:12 AM  

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 11:19:24 AM  

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


Well, there's always Somalia.  Just hide when the satellites pass overhead.
 
2013-07-02 11:19:48 AM  

OnlyM3: It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.


I intend for this comment to express my concurrence in the sentiments expressed by the quoted text.
 
2013-07-02 11:20:38 AM  

Mangoose: 2) Why is this asinine?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-02 11:21:51 AM  

BunkoSquad: I've done it before - the 4th, and recently, the 3rd (where they do the whole musical program but without the fireworks, and there's 1/1,000th of the crowd) - but not amid this crap. Obviously having the public at a public event is inconvenient to the cops, so I'll oblige them and stay the hell away.

 
2013-07-02 11:21:52 AM  

meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?


The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.
 
2013-07-02 11:22:37 AM  
used to go every year, set up a sunshade and bring a cooler... there's no way I'm going through all that hassle to get down there
and not be able to drink, grill, and set up shop on the esplenade. Gonnna go hiking or something instead
 
2013-07-02 11:23:01 AM  
Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.
 
2013-07-02 11:23:32 AM  
FTFA:Visitors will also be banned from carrying in cans, glass containers, pre-mixed beverages, liquids greater than 2 liters, or any sharp objects.

Challenge accepted.

s3.amazonaws.com +  theginisin.comwww.delallo.com
 
2013-07-02 11:24:24 AM  

what_now: Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.


QFT.
 
2013-07-02 11:24:31 AM  
These are the same Bostonians who collectively shiat their pants over a fugitive teenager and shut down their city for days over it? Those proud sons and daughters of the revolution who let SWAT teams search under their mattresses for terrorists? Boohoo.
 
2013-07-02 11:25:08 AM  

russlar: the terrorists won.


Ok. War over.
 
2013-07-02 11:25:35 AM  
Those regulations are asinine.

Were I in charge, I'd cancel the event entirely rather than going as far as what they describe in TFA.  Just admit that the terrorists won rather than demonstrating the fact by making an obscene spectacle out of "security".
 
2013-07-02 11:26:40 AM  

what_now: Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.


One of whom is dead...but then again, zombies are really in right now.
 
2013-07-02 11:26:55 AM  

IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.


You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.
 
2013-07-02 11:26:56 AM  
OnlyM3:
It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.

The state has, not the people. If you read the article, people are complaining about the idiotic security measures.
 
2013-07-02 11:27:16 AM  

soopey: Challenge accepted.


Popov is gut rot.  I'm pretty sure you can get plastic handles of Sobieski for another $5-10.
 
2013-07-02 11:27:44 AM  
FTA:  For 30 years, Matt Lincoln and his family have trooped to the Esplanade to celebrate the Fourth, pushing a cart loaded with tents, a hammer and stakes, bunting, flags, chairs, tables, and a sizable buffet - not to mention a sickle to clear view-blocking weeds.

Good, we don't need commies at our celebration anyway.
 
2013-07-02 11:28:16 AM  

IrateShadow: soopey: Challenge accepted.

Popov is gut rot.  I'm pretty sure you can get plastic handles of Sobieski for another $5-10.


Difficulty: does it come in a plastic bottle? Smirnoff does sometimes..
 
2013-07-02 11:28:56 AM  

soopey: IrateShadow: soopey: Challenge accepted.

Popov is gut rot.  I'm pretty sure you can get plastic handles of Sobieski for another $5-10.

Difficulty: does it come in a plastic bottle under two liters? Smirnoff does sometimes..


FTFM
 
2013-07-02 11:29:06 AM  

jshine: Were I in charge, I'd cancel the event entirely rather than going as far as what they describe in TFA. Just admit that the terrorists won rather than demonstrating the fact by making an obscene spectacle out of "security".


Huh.

I'd cancel the event entirely

That'd go over well with the electorate.

admit that the terrorists won

That'd go over just as well.

Next time, before you share your brilliant ideas, think about why you're not in charge.
 
2013-07-02 11:29:19 AM  
We lay claim to the title "the home of the brave" in our national anthem (repeatedly, if you count each verse, not that anyone knows beyond the first). Can we still call that claim legitimate if we cannot accept even the tiniest risks?
 
2013-07-02 11:29:37 AM  

taxachucetts: used to go every year, set up a sunshade and bring a cooler... there's no way I'm going through all that hassle to get down there
and not be able to drink, grill, and set up shop on the esplenade. Gonnna go hiking or something instead


It's always been a zoo to begin with.  With all of the prewarnings, crowds will be smaller, you'll get a better spot, have more space, and ...lightning never strikes the same place twice.  Right?
 
2013-07-02 11:29:48 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.


This is real TNT (the stuff from the road-runner cartoons):

upload.wikimedia.org

Note that it's not a liquid.  In fact, it can be melted and formed into just about any solid shape you desire: a bar of soap, a backpack handle, wheels for a cart, etc., etc., etc.

The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.  The vast majority of the ones in common use look basically like plastic.

/ chemical engineer
 
2013-07-02 11:31:14 AM  

IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.


It's also based on Philippine Airlines Flight 434 on which a liquid bomb in a bottle of contact lens solution killed one person and tore a big hole in the airplane. Of course, TSA being the TSA, their liquid ban was not particularly effective at countering this threat.
 
2013-07-02 11:31:52 AM  
So the Esplanade is going to be less horribly, god-awful overcrowded this year?  Awesome, thanks terrorists!
 
2013-07-02 11:31:58 AM  
I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.
 
2013-07-02 11:32:52 AM  

Wellon Dowd: meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?

The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.


you're supposed to burn the flag when disposing of it

if you really wanna stick it to the man, i guess put it in a trash can?
 
2013-07-02 11:34:39 AM  

dragonchild: jshine: Were I in charge, I'd cancel the event entirely rather than going as far as what they describe in TFA. Just admit that the terrorists won rather than demonstrating the fact by making an obscene spectacle out of "security".

Huh.

I'd cancel the event entirely

That'd go over well with the electorate.

admit that the terrorists won

That'd go over just as well.

Next time, before you share your brilliant ideas, think about why you're not in charge.



I'm not in charge for a few reasons:

1) no single person is -- this isn't a dictatorship
2) I wouldn't have a prayer in any election because you're probably right -- being forthright and up-front about the state of affairs is not a popular position

/ though, my prior post was based on a hypothetical situation where there were only 2 options: cancel the event or go ahead with the rules described in TFA.  In actual practice, were I in a dictatorial role, I'd hold the event as usual, but with a conspicuously elevated police presence -- but without putting in place any "emergency" rules or authorities that don't normally exist.
 
2013-07-02 11:35:08 AM  
Celebrating what you don't have is so Orwellian, this event will be more of a funeral than a party.
 
2013-07-02 11:35:16 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.


Where's my facepalm.jpeg when I need it?

/"Boys and their toys." Sigh.
 
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2013-07-02 11:35:44 AM  
well when they pull down their pants for the security inspection they can light their farts.

bean town
 
2013-07-02 11:42:08 AM  

IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.




True American patriots demonstrate their loyalty to the Homeland by purchasing magnetic ribbons and $5 bottles of water.
 
2013-07-02 11:42:52 AM  

russlar: the terrorists won.




We are being spent into the ground. It worked on the Soviets.
 
2013-07-02 11:45:02 AM  
Yeah security theatre is a fracking joke.
 
2013-07-02 11:46:08 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: We are being spent into the ground. It worked on the Soviets.


I'm always surprised that people aren't seeing the parallels between those two situations. I guess they don't get smarter with time.
 
2013-07-02 11:47:19 AM  
Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measures

The vast majority of us are doing just fine, thanks.  Unlike the snivelling weenies in this thread, feeling all defeated and vexed on our behalves.

Go screw yourselves, seriously.
 
2013-07-02 11:49:37 AM  
You could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Does that make it a good enough reason to stay home, cowering under your bed? Put on your big boy pants and man up, Nancy.
 
2013-07-02 11:49:40 AM  

neversubmit: Celebrating what you don't have is so Orwellian, this event will be more of a funeral than a party.


sounds like some of my friday nights
 
2013-07-02 11:49:59 AM  

Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.


Tetsuooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
2013-07-02 11:50:51 AM  

Albert911emt: You could get hit by a bus tomorrow. Does that make it a good enough reason to stay home, cowering under your bed? Put on your big boy pants and man up, Nancy.


that kinda describes liveleakers
 
2013-07-02 11:51:00 AM  
The farkbags are closing major roadways the day BEFORE.  The ride home is going to be a disaster tomorrow.
 
2013-07-02 11:51:21 AM  

OnlyM3: It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards


Speak for yourself, jackass.
 
2013-07-02 11:52:43 AM  
Oh FFS. Just go curl up in a corner and cry then.

/the terrorists have won
 
2013-07-02 11:53:03 AM  
I have not heard one person talk about not celebrating the 4th.  The Hatch Shell and the surrounding area can be pretty crazy though so if there was more security I wouldnt be offended.
 
2013-07-02 11:53:58 AM  

TheSelphie: The farkbags are closing major roadways the day BEFORE.  The ride home is going to be a disaster tomorrow.


What the f*ck would you be doing on the river roads on July 3 anyway? Oh, because you're an idiot, that's why.

/they close Storrow on the 3rd every year
 
2013-07-02 11:54:06 AM  

Wellon Dowd: meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?

The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.


It is technically legal, but it is culturally taboo.

Personally, I'm waiting for even more stories about people flying their flags upside down this 4th, "Because Fartbama's a neo-Marxist Muslim Nazi molester from Mars.".
 
2013-07-02 11:56:10 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measuresThe vast majority of us are doing just fine, thanks.  Unlike the snivelling weenies in this thread, feeling all defeated and vexed on our behalves.Go screw yourselves, seriously.

Not sure where the hostility comes from, but did you actually read TFA:"Others call new rules banning everything from backpacks to wheeled coolers Draconian... Visitors will also be banned from carrying in cans, glass containers, pre-mixed beverages, liquids greater than 2 liters, or any sharp objects. They will not be allowed to grill, and all blankets, tents, and other items must be carried in see-through bags."Bear in mind that this is all to celebrate an event where the early Americans basically taunted the British Empire (by signing the Declaration of Independence), starting a war they knew would probably leave most of them dead in the name of independence....yet we're honoring an event where our predecessors displayed reckless disregard for their personal safety in the name of freedom by forcing people to pack their picnic blankets in ziplocks and banning soda & mixed drinks.What happened to the big brass balls? Can you really not see the irony?
 
2013-07-02 11:56:45 AM  

Gunny Highway: I have not heard one person talk about not celebrating the 4th.  The Hatch Shell and the surrounding area can be pretty crazy though so if there was more security I wouldnt be offended.


Doesn't it warm your heart thought that all these cringing assholes can declare defeat on our behalves? I know I'm going to be having a great time and watching the fireworks from the same spot as every year, no problems.  I guess that doesn't fit their apocolyptic paranoid narrative, though.
 
2013-07-02 11:58:24 AM  
I've been thinking of driving up to Boston for the 4th.  But some of the comments make me think that maybe I shouldn't.  Is it really that bad?  I don't mind crowds and stuff, I just like the Boston Pops and fireworks.  Is it really that bad, or should I try it?
 
2013-07-02 11:59:08 AM  

OnlyM3: Mangoose [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 09:51:07 AM


1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?
It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.


Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...
 
2013-07-02 11:59:25 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Gunny Highway: I have not heard one person talk about not celebrating the 4th.  The Hatch Shell and the surrounding area can be pretty crazy though so if there was more security I wouldnt be offended.

Doesn't it warm your heart thought that all these cringing assholes can declare defeat on our behalves? I know I'm going to be having a great time and watching the fireworks from the same spot as every year, no problems.  I guess that doesn't fit their apocolyptic paranoid narrative, though.


Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.
 
2013-07-02 11:59:42 AM  

jshine: Not sure where the hostility comes from, but did you actually read TFA


Yeah, I get the Globe every morning. And I know the area where the restrictions are in force and it's tiny and you couldn't pay me enough to go there.

The rest of you assholes just don't know what you're talking about. That's where the hostility comes from.
 
2013-07-02 12:00:18 PM  

AdamK: neversubmit: Celebrating what you don't have is so Orwellian, this event will be more of a funeral than a party.

sounds like some of my friday nights


There are pills for that.  :) He has risen!
 
2013-07-02 12:01:06 PM  
Going to the Esplanade is a tourist thing to do; too many people for too long and the weather may or may not suck.  Pro tip:  go drink all day at a bar on Charles (your money will go pretty far at the BHP), then walk down with a blanket and go behind the hatch shell - where the new Ebersol ballfields are.  You can hear the music fine and get an awesome view of the fireworks.  Then when done cross back over and go drink near Causeway (again, for your best money stretch hit up Sully's for a few).
 
2013-07-02 12:01:15 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: TheSelphie: The farkbags are closing major roadways the day BEFORE.  The ride home is going to be a disaster tomorrow.

What the f*ck would you be doing on the river roads on July 3 anyway? Oh, because you're an idiot, that's why.

/they close Storrow on the 3rd every year


Not so. They normally close Storrow at 8 AM on the 4th. I know, because I've driven one of the speaker towers down the middle of it at 8:01.
 
2013-07-02 12:01:20 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: The vast majority of us are doing just fine, thanks. Unlike the snivelling weenies in this thread, feeling all defeated and vexed on our behalves.


I guess everyone has their own definition of "sniveling weenies". Anyone who feels "well, they can do whatever they need to do to me to keep me feeling safe" fits my bill, but hey, freedom to interpret it your own way.
 
2013-07-02 12:01:39 PM  

Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.


What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.
 
2013-07-02 12:02:23 PM  
This crap is the reason I stopped going down to DC for fireworks. The mall is fenced in, you get searched, everything is banned. It's a joke now, all they need is someone on a loudspeaker saying "You will have fun under pain of imprisonment."
 
2013-07-02 12:02:29 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Gunny Highway: I have not heard one person talk about not celebrating the 4th.  The Hatch Shell and the surrounding area can be pretty crazy though so if there was more security I wouldnt be offended.

Doesn't it warm your heart thought that all these cringing assholes can declare defeat on our behalves? I know I'm going to be having a great time and watching the fireworks from the same spot as every year, no problems.  I guess that doesn't fit their apocolyptic paranoid narrative, though.


We always sit at the BU (or BC?) Crew building.

/out of town for a wedding this year
 
2013-07-02 12:02:46 PM  

OnlyM3: Mangoose [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 09:51:07 AM


1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?
It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.


Psst. Didn't you hear? It's being changed from "home of the brave" to "home of the gay." That will make us fabulous in no time again.
 
2013-07-02 12:03:11 PM  
If we wanted to... how would we do a dead pool on this "party"?

a) closest guess to the number of dead without going over wins?

b)
 
2013-07-02 12:04:12 PM  

BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...


Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.
 
2013-07-02 12:04:47 PM  

jshine: DoBeDoBeDo: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.

This is real TNT (the stuff from the road-runner cartoons):

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x240]

Note that it's not a liquid.  In fact, it can be melted and formed into just about any solid shape you desire: a bar of soap, a backpack handle, wheels for a cart, etc., etc., etc.

The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.  The vast majority of the ones in common use look basically like plastic.

/ chemical engineer


People get confused by the term "explosive," as it's been misapplied almost to the point that it's synonymous with "hazardous." (Or "awesome," but that's something else entirely.)

In technical terms, an explosive is any material that can be made to combust throughout its entire volume faster than the expansion can scatter it, unlike regular flammable substances that depend on the surrounding atmosphere to combust, and therefore can only burn on their surface. This is also different from the adjective form, which can be applied to anything capable of generating a shockwave by sudden expansion... for example, a poorly made boiler is explosive, but neither it nor the steam that can make it explode is AN explosive.

Liquid explosives are actually quite simple to make, but their chaotic structure means all but the most carefully engineered clathrate-based liquid explosives are too unstable to be very useful to terrorists, except as a bluff. They can't even be made on the site of the attack by combining a few precursors; attempting to do so.will result in the "explosive" detonating as quickly as it's generated, producing a firebomb but not a true explosion.

/still, even a firebomb can kill everyone aboard a plane in flight
//not to mention the eventual possibility that, between miniaturization and industrialization, terrorists might actually one day start mass production of disposable micro-labs capable of automatically and reliably producing enough nitroglycerin to blow up a plane while being small enough to conceal
///if they could do that, you'd think they could just mass produce C4, but then terrorists thrive on being unpredictable
 
2013-07-02 12:05:10 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.


When people say "the terrorists have won", they're referring to the fact that, with a tiny attack, our government will spend millions upon millions of dollars and will strip away our rights in the name of security theater. It's not saying "zomg terrorists" as you apparently think.
 
2013-07-02 12:06:14 PM  

Theaetetus: Not so. They normally close Storrow at 8 AM on the 4th. I know, because I've driven one of the speaker towers down the middle of it at 8:01.


I stand corrected.  Don't they close it at least the night of the 3rd during the dress rehearsal?

Anyway, anyone complaining about Storrow or Mem Drive being closed obviously doesn't spend much time in Boston in the Summer.
 
2013-07-02 12:06:53 PM  

Mangoose: 1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
 
2013-07-02 12:07:15 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Not so. They normally close Storrow at 8 AM on the 4th. I know, because I've driven one of the speaker towers down the middle of it at 8:01.

I stand corrected.  Don't they close it at least the night of the 3rd during the dress rehearsal?


Not that I've known.

Anyway, anyone complaining about Storrow or Mem Drive being closed obviously doesn't spend much time in Boston in the Summer.

True 'nuff.
 
2013-07-02 12:07:15 PM  
Is the Ironic tag in Guantanamo or being indefinitely detained by the NSA?

Because this is irony.
 
2013-07-02 12:07:47 PM  

BunkoSquad: I guess everyone has their own definition of "sniveling weenies". Anyone who feels "well, they can do whatever they need to do to me to keep me feeling safe" fits my bill, but hey, freedom to interpret it your own way.


Yeah, I don't see going through security in order to attend a free outdoor event within an enclosed area as a great affront to my liberty.  But maybe I'm more robust than you.
 
2013-07-02 12:08:31 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: I stand corrected. Don't they close it at least the night of the 3rd during the dress rehearsal?


I went on the 3rd last year and Storrow was closed (I was able to wander over to Copley and get grilled cheese from a food truck. which was delicious); I don't think Memorial was though.
 
2013-07-02 12:09:27 PM  
Wow, it's really really sad that Boston is allowing themselves to remain terrorized.
 
2013-07-02 12:10:14 PM  

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


On Patriot's Day, they locked down Boston in Martial Law. Fitting.

/change we can believe in
 
2013-07-02 12:12:16 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Yeah, I don't see going through security in order to attend a free outdoor event within an enclosed area as a great affront to my liberty. But maybe I'm more robust than you.


Maybe you are. I just don't think that participating in this make-work, undoubtedly half-assed, feel-good show of whatever it is they're showing is the way I need to celebrate a city's freedom.
 
2013-07-02 12:12:57 PM  

Theaetetus: Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.

When people say "the terrorists have won", they're referring to the fact that, with a tiny attack, our government will spend millions upon millions of dollars and will strip away our rights in the name of security theater. It's not saying "zomg terrorists" as you apparently think.


I'm no fan of security theater, as you rightly call it.  But are you saying that increased security at this year's fourth is somehow unreasonable?  And are you really saying that having to bring liquids in clear bottles in order to go to the Esplanade is somehow an assault on some fundamental freedom?
 
2013-07-02 12:15:37 PM  

BunkoSquad: I just don't think that participating in this make-work, undoubtedly half-assed, feel-good show of whatever it is they're showing is the way I need to celebrate a city's freedom.


Great - you are free to do something else, then.  I'm going to go and watch the fireworks and have fun and not worry about this nonsense you're so upset about.
 
2013-07-02 12:15:39 PM  

what_now: Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.


Not surprising when we cower over too much toothpaste and hair gel on planes.

When do we get to be Home of the Brave[tm] again?
 
2013-07-02 12:18:27 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measures

The vast majority of us are doing just fine, thanks.   Unlike the snivelling weenies in this thread, feeling all defeated and vexed on our behalves.

Go screw yourselves, seriously.


The only 'sniveling weenie' in this story is the idiot who decided that a full-on ban on fun would somehow create safety.
 
2013-07-02 12:19:33 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: OnlyM3: It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards

Speak for yourself, jackass.


Once again, the only thing wetting their bed here is the city of Boston. Please try to pay attention before twisting up your panties.
 
2013-07-02 12:19:42 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: BunkoSquad: I guess everyone has their own definition of "sniveling weenies". Anyone who feels "well, they can do whatever they need to do to me to keep me feeling safe" fits my bill, but hey, freedom to interpret it your own way.

Yeah, I don't see going through security in order to attend a free outdoor event within an enclosed area as a great affront to my liberty.  But maybe I'm more robust than you.


Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!
 
2013-07-02 12:20:00 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: I'm no fan of security theater, as you rightly call it.  But are you saying that increased security at this year's fourth is somehow unreasonable?


Yep. It's unreasonable because it's useless. If you were so minded, you could walk right up to the chest-high security fence around the Hatch lawn and throw something over. More so, the prohibitions allow as much liquid as you want, provided you break it up into 2-liter bottles. And even a single 2-liter bottle could make a pretty good explosive device.Hell, the regulations didn't even say anything about pressure cookers.
So, yeah, it's unreasonable. It's like a lot of DRM schemes that require entering a word in a manual or require a CD to be in the drive before a program will run - they're trivial for pirates to circumnavigate, and only piss off people who  aren't a problem. In the same way, the security prohibitions will only affect people who have no interest in causing a problem.

Which makes you wonder the real point... Notice this line in the article?

Others said they will make do, even if they are unhappy about the restrictions.
Pat Rioux and her best friend have been going to the Esplanade every year for the past decade. If they cannot bring a cooler, she said, they'll find food and drinks at the concessions.


The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.
 
2013-07-02 12:20:16 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: jshine: Not sure where the hostility comes from, but did you actually read TFA

Yeah, I get the Globe every morning. And I know the area where the restrictions are in force and it's tiny and you couldn't pay me enough to go there.

The rest of you assholes just don't know what you're talking about. That's where the hostility comes from.


Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.
 
2013-07-02 12:21:44 PM  

Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.


As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?
 
2013-07-02 12:23:29 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.


I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.
 
2013-07-02 12:23:33 PM  

King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?


I was hoping they'd be on fixies.
 
2013-07-02 12:24:00 PM  

King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?


Now you have me trying to figure out how you mount the loud pipes (for safety of course) and the 3 foot high chopper handlebars on a horse.
 
2013-07-02 12:35:54 PM  
This is so pitiful.

I refuse to believe this is not an onion article.
 
2013-07-02 12:36:29 PM  
I was forced to put out a sparkler by a DC cop on the 4th of July.  In a public park (Fort Reno).  I bought the sparklers across the street.

Still amazed at how stupid that was.

/America!
 
2013-07-02 12:36:53 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: I've been thinking of driving shippingup to Boston for the 4th.  But some of the comments make me think that maybe I shouldn't.  Is it really that bad?  I don't mind crowds and stuff, I just like the Boston Pops and fireworks.  Is it really that bad, or should I try it?


Sorry. Had to. It's not too bad. If you're going "up" I'd highly recommend parking at a T station and taking public transit. Alewife is pretty easy to get to and will be a few short hops to where the action is. The Esplanade is a short walk from the Charles/MGH stop on the Red Line. Another good place to watch from is Memorial Drive on the Cambridge side over by the MIT station. The bars will be pretty empty around the city as everyone is either at home grilling or down by the river.
 
2013-07-02 12:37:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I was hoping they'd be on fixies.


Oddly enough last week I saw someone riding around town on a chopper bicycle... it actually looked like a motorcycle. I think it's a new trend.
 
2013-07-02 12:39:37 PM  

Wellon Dowd: meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?

The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.


There's a great Kids in the Hall / Buddy Cole about the American flag burning controversy at the time... point is, in Canada, they burn their flag to stay warm.  Bestest reason of all.

King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?


Fixies.

/hipsters.
 
2013-07-02 12:40:21 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?

I was hoping they'd be on fixies.


StreetlightInTheGhetto: Fixies.

/hipsters.


Dammit!

You win this round.
 
2013-07-02 12:46:54 PM  
Tase them all and let God sort it out.
 
2013-07-02 12:48:30 PM  

dragonchild: Mangoose: 2) Why is this asinine?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 240x243]


1-31-2007 NEVER FORGET
 
2013-07-02 12:52:33 PM  

russlar: the terrorists won.


This.
 
2013-07-02 12:52:42 PM  

taxachucetts: used to go every year, set up a sunshade and bring a cooler... there's no way I'm going through all that hassle to get down there
and not be able to drink, grill, and set up shop on the esplenade. Gonnna go hiking or something instead


My thoughts exactly
 
2013-07-02 12:54:45 PM  

jshine: The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.
/ chemical engineer


What about explosive diarrhea?
 
2013-07-02 12:57:00 PM  
I hope people are still allowed to set off fireworks in the darkest, sketchiest part of the park.  It wouldnt be the same without being worried about getting hit with an arrant bottle rocket.
 
2013-07-02 01:01:18 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: What about explosive diarrhea?


For a moment I thought, "the TSA doesn't check for that", but I've found conflicting evidence!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-02 01:05:44 PM  

groppet: This crap is the reason I stopped going down to DC for fireworks. The mall is fenced in, you get searched, everything is banned. It's a joke now, all they need is someone on a loudspeaker saying "You will have fun under pain of imprisonment."


ENFORCED RECREATION
 
2013-07-02 01:18:55 PM  
There were no problems at their Stanley Cup celebration so what makes them think the 4th of July will be any different?

Oh wait... Nevermind.
 
2013-07-02 01:21:38 PM  
FTFA:
But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

I don't think you understand what those words mean.
 
2013-07-02 01:21:43 PM  
They should really use those private security and jail corporations headquartered in Britain, like they do in Philadelphia at Independence Hall.
 
2013-07-02 01:25:55 PM  

theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.


What makes you think I'm a Libertarian, ever drive to Boston, or own a pickup truck?
 
2013-07-02 01:27:35 PM  

theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.


You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)
 
2013-07-02 01:28:38 PM  

vpb: illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."

Well, there's always Somalia.  Just hide when the satellites pass overhead.


Thankfully there are other options than that tired false dichotomy, and we can still hope to see fixed our United Surveillance States of America.
 
2013-07-02 01:28:51 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: ENFORCED RECREATION


Live on stage in London!
 
2013-07-02 01:32:12 PM  

BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)


Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.
 
2013-07-02 01:33:09 PM  

violentsalvation: Thankfully there are other options than that tired false dichotomy, and we can still hope to see fixed our United Surveillance States of America.


That is never going to catch on.  Go back to the marketing department and get back to me when you have something snappy.
 
2013-07-02 01:33:59 PM  

Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.


Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?
 
2013-07-02 01:34:00 PM  

Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.


I'm honestly curious.  Care to elaborate?
 
2013-07-02 01:34:37 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The only 'sniveling weenie' in this story is the idiot who decided that a full-on ban on fun would somehow create safety.


You're a goddamned moron.

The My Little Pony Killer: Once again, the only thing wetting their bed here is the city of Boston. Please try to pay attention before twisting up your panties.


We're fine, but thanks for your totally-uninformed concern.

The My Little Pony Killer: Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.


Maybe not everyone, but you, for sure.

robbiex0r: I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.


Good for you.

Vitamin Pb: Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!


Over-react much?  Douchebag.
 
2013-07-02 01:38:05 PM  

BgJonson79: What makes you think I'm a Libertarian, ever drive to Boston, or own a pickup truck?


Because I'm farking with you as being from New Hampshire.

BgJonson79: You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)


Too bad about the property taxes and crazy libertarians, though.
 
2013-07-02 01:39:16 PM  

Theaetetus: It's unreasonable because it's useless.


Ehh, I don't see the big deal. We all knew it was going to happen if for nothing else so the cops can have their asses covered.  I don't understand why anyone would want to actually go to the Esplanade anyway.

Theaetetus: The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.


Again - the type of folks who go to this thing? F*ck 'em. Let them get overcharged.  None of this will affect me or anyone I know in any way whatsoever.

But I love all these people who are trying to tell me what's happening in my city, from whatever two-bit burgh they're in.  I was just out at PO Sq Beach over lunch - no one is terrorized.
 
2013-07-02 01:40:38 PM  

theorellior: BgJonson79: What makes you think I'm a Libertarian, ever drive to Boston, or own a pickup truck?

Because I'm farking with you as being from New Hampshire.

BgJonson79: You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Too bad about the property taxes and crazy libertarians, though.


If it makes you feel better, I drive a Prius ;-)

I've not met any crazy Libertarians.  Also, since we're talking about state to state comparisons, NH state property taxes are low.  It's the localities that make it higher.  But since I don't have to pay sales or income tax on stuff, we come out quite a bit ahead.
 
2013-07-02 01:45:10 PM  
Celebrate your freedom by giving it up.
 
2013-07-02 01:45:12 PM  
Yet another example of how the terrorists won.


/live in fear, always
 
2013-07-02 01:50:52 PM  

Gunny Highway: Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.

Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?


I'm from a part of the world where having a guy with whiskey on his breath tell you that your government is communist and kills old people because they are old while resting his hand on his gun belt isn't exactly normal.  No seriously, crazy old drunk dude in a combo diner/general store did this when he saw my Canadian license plate.

Yes it was a one time thing. No I didn't wet my pants. I was mostly joking but I can see I offended you guys. So, mission accomplished, or something, I guess.
 
2013-07-02 01:52:41 PM  

Egoy3k: Gunny Highway: Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.

Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?

I'm from a part of the world where having a guy with whiskey on his breath tell you that your government is communist and kills old people because they are old while resting his hand on his gun belt isn't exactly normal.  No seriously, crazy old drunk dude in a combo diner/general store did this when he saw my Canadian license plate.

Yes it was a one time thing. No I didn't wet my pants. I was mostly joking but I can see I offended you guys. So, mission accomplished, or something, I guess.


Im from Rhode Island.
 
2013-07-02 02:04:03 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.

Again - the type of folks who go to this thing? F*ck 'em. Let them get overcharged.  None of this will affect me or anyone I know in any way whatsoever.


Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-07-02 02:07:56 PM  
I moved to Connecticut in December 2001 and decided to take the train down to Times Square just to say that I did it. I never felt worried or scared, but the security was ridiculous. I took a 10PM train home and watched the ball drop from the comfort of a hotel room while drinking scotch.

However, while trying to duck under a police barricade to see how long the line was, I blew out the crotch of my jeans. Had to go to buy a new pair and wear them out of the store, not realizing there was a security tag sewn into the jeans. Took me a month to realize why I kept setting off the security alarms every time I'd walk in or out of a store.

/Cool story, stupid fatty
 
2013-07-02 02:13:05 PM  

Egoy3k: Gunny Highway: Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.

Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?

I'm from a part of the world where having a guy with whiskey on his breath tell you that your government is communist and kills old people because they are old while resting his hand on his gun belt isn't exactly normal.  No seriously, crazy old drunk dude in a combo diner/general store did this when he saw my Canadian license plate.

Yes it was a one time thing. No I didn't wet my pants. I was mostly joking but I can see I offended you guys. So, mission accomplished, or something, I guess.


But in NH, that's just a local and they/we are easy to avoid.  In MA, it's the gov't that's bad ;-)  Try to avoid them!
 
2013-07-02 02:14:18 PM  

Theaetetus: Christ, what an asshole.


You probably complain about how expensive beers are at Fenway, and popcorn at the movies.
 
2013-07-02 02:18:53 PM  
Im shocked, SHOCKED, that Boston's police continue to full derp.
 
2013-07-02 02:21:53 PM  

jshine: DoBeDoBeDo: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.

This is real TNT (the stuff from the road-runner cartoons):

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x240]

Note that it's not a liquid.  In fact, it can be melted and formed into just about any solid shape you desire: a bar of soap, a backpack handle, wheels for a cart, etc., etc., etc.

The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.  The vast majority of the ones in common use look basically like plastic.

/ chemical engineer


Aside from nitroglycerin, Picatinny liquid explosive, nitroglycol, methyl nitrate, nitroform, methyl ethyl ketone hydroperoxide, slurry explosives, watergels, etc.

Note that four of those can be made by any idiot who can read and get to a hardware store.
 
2013-07-02 02:26:49 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Christ, what an asshole.

You probably complain about how expensive beers are at Fenway, and popcorn at the movies.


I don't go to Fenway, and I watch movies at home. But, even though said prices don't affect me personally, I still think it's outrageous for my fellow citizens, because I'm a human and have empathy. I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result. Because I'm not an asshole.

/I bet you complain about Obamacare forcing people to be a captive market to buy health insurance on the private market without any price controls
 
2013-07-02 02:41:53 PM  

Theaetetus: I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result.


Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing and why.  People "suffering"? Get off your high horse.  No one is making these people go to the Esplanade - they are making an informed choice.

Do you have such heart-tugging empathy for people who DO go to Fenway, and watch movies at the theater, and participate in other, non-shut-in activities, some of which cost money?
 
2013-07-02 02:43:27 PM  

Theaetetus: I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result. Because I'm not an asshole.


Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Over-dramatic much? Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to.

As if people are forced to go to this stupid celebration. Bussed in at gunpoint, not allowed to leave, required to spend X number of dollars on concessions. The agony, the torture of having to pay $5 for a bottled water, and no other options like, oh, I don't know...not go to such a crapshow? Oh, the humanity!

And you are an asshole.

/me too!
 
2013-07-02 02:50:23 PM  

FarkinHostile: Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!


Please, show him some sympathy! He's running out of reasons to be outraged about this!
 
2013-07-02 02:52:24 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.

When people say "the terrorists have won", they're referring to the fact that, with a tiny attack, our government will spend millions upon millions of dollars and will strip away our rights in the name of security theater. It's not saying "zomg terrorists" as you apparently think.

I'm no fan of security theater, as you rightly call it.  But are you saying that increased security at this year's fourth is somehow unreasonable?  And are you really saying that having to bring liquids in clear bottles in order to go to the Esplanade is somehow an assault on some fundamental freedom?


This year, clear plastic bottles and no cans of Diet Coke. Next year, three ounce limits, just like the airlines. After that, who knows. Hell, you can't even bring a 5 ounce tube toothpaste on a plane anymore. Thats idiotic.

 I work in a government agency that deals with terrorism. There are a shiatload of people in the department who make their living by coming up with all sorts of ridiculous scenarios and pushing incredibly ineffective (and usually amazingly expensive) and inconvenient ways of preventing them. The whole mentality grows on itself, it's a complete snowball effect and I have no idea of where it might end. Take away the imaginary threats, get a grip on reality, and they're pounding the pavement looking for a new job. They don't want that to happen.

A few weeks ago I made a similar post, and a guy replied that he liked to make his own soap, but because of homeland security crap he couldn't buy 4 ounce bottles of lye anymore at craft shops. He *could* buy gallon jugs of the stuff elsewhere. I guess the rationale was that terrorists would be too stupid to put the lye in smaller containers or would just bag their terrorist ways because of the inconvenience.

If the government is going to take the time to deal with that sort of alternate reality, where is it going to stop?

The only reason for this stuff at Boston is that alot of people have cushy jobs and to keep them they need to convince other people there's a boogeyman behind every bush. Also, $overtime$ is a big incentive.

The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.
 
2013-07-02 02:54:06 PM  

enemy of the state: The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.


Yeah, whatever you say, Eric.
 
2013-07-02 02:54:22 PM  

Theaetetus: Zulu_as_Kono: TheSelphie: The farkbags are closing major roadways the day BEFORE.  The ride home is going to be a disaster tomorrow.

What the f*ck would you be doing on the river roads on July 3 anyway? Oh, because you're an idiot, that's why.

/they close Storrow on the 3rd every year

Not so. They normally close Storrow at 8 AM on the 4th. I know, because I've driven one of the speaker towers down the middle of it at 8:01.


This.  I would know, I have to take Storrow on the way to work.  They sure as hell do not close it on the 3rd... except for this year.  One lane is going to be closed westbound starting at 6am, and the whole thing is going to be shut down by noon.  What a clusterfark.
 
2013-07-02 02:58:04 PM  
Yeah, I'd have to skip it.
 
2013-07-02 02:59:39 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result.

Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing and why.  People "suffering"? Get off your high horse.  No one is making these people go to the Esplanade - they are making an informed choice.

Do you have such heart-tugging empathy for people who DO go to Fenway, and watch movies at the theater, and participate in other, non-shut-in activities, some of which cost money?


How did you manage to quote and reply to a post without reading it?
 
2013-07-02 03:01:57 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: enemy of the state: The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.

Yeah, whatever you say, Eric.


You have a point. Extra security this year is a good idea and I should have made that clear.

My point is that I see this stuff from the inside and the mentality of the government scares me.

Let me make myself clear. There are real and terrible security threats out there which, believe me, are not hypothetical. Overreaction to minor stuff such as this has the effect of eroding liberties little by little, and of diverting resources and focus from real threats.
 
2013-07-02 03:03:54 PM  
In situations like this, provided over-incentive, and never increase security substantially. Give free flights away, bus people in, free beer, whatever it takes... and if it happens again, double down. Eventually the people take care of themselves, and the terrorists never win.
 
2013-07-02 03:06:42 PM  

koder: In situations like this, provided over-incentive, and never increase security substantially. Give free flights away, bus people in, free beer, whatever it takes... and if it happens again, double down. Eventually the people take care of themselves, and the terrorists never win.


You have never had to deal with the MBTA, have you?
 
2013-07-02 03:07:09 PM  

Theaetetus: How did you manage to quote and reply to a post without reading it?


Dude, if you were trying to make a point other than you have empathy for people who have to suffer the injustice of paying for things at events they go to, you failed.

And if you really think there was a meeting where vendors were sitting there with police rubbing their hands in greedy joy as they made plans for security, you have an over-active imagination.
 
2013-07-02 03:07:37 PM  

Ivo Shandor: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

It's also based on Philippine Airlines Flight 434 on which a liquid bomb in a bottle of contact lens solution killed one person and tore a big hole in the airplane. Of course, TSA being the TSA, their liquid ban was not particularly effective at countering this threat.


Great article.
 
2013-07-02 03:20:24 PM  
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
 
2013-07-02 03:42:39 PM  

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


Tat's an excellent aphorism. I'm stealing it.
 
2013-07-02 04:03:53 PM  
"If we can't bring backpacks, it's just not worth the hassle," said Glidden, 55, of Lynn. "I'd need a large bag to carry sweatshirts, drinks, snacks, sunscreen, cellphones, etc. I can't imagine what someone with a child in diapers would do."

Yup. I don't attend any events where I can't bring my stuff. The terrorists have won.
 
2013-07-02 04:33:29 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Wow, it's really really sad that Boston is allowing themselves to remain terrorized.


If only they had a tradition of standing up against tyranny and injustice.
 
2013-07-02 04:34:03 PM  
andreakristenpack.com

We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... - Edward R. Murrow, See It Now, 1954
 
2013-07-02 04:34:13 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: The My Little Pony Killer: The only 'sniveling weenie' in this story is the idiot who decided that a full-on ban on fun would somehow create safety.

You're a goddamned moron.

The My Little Pony Killer: Once again, the only thing wetting their bed here is the city of Boston. Please try to pay attention before twisting up your panties.

We're fine, but thanks for your totally-uninformed concern.

The My Little Pony Killer: Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.

Maybe not everyone, but you, for sure.

robbiex0r: I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.

Good for you.

Vitamin Pb: Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!

Over-react much?  Douchebag.


Oh look, another indignant soul who doesn't grasp what terrorism is about. I'll give you a hint: it's exactly what's going on right now with this event.

If you're so god damn afraid of dying to a terrorist attack, it's  YOU who should be staying home, not everyone else because their ability to go about their normal lives is being neutered by some overreaching authorities that makes not a single farking difference in the actual risk of being killed by a terrorist attack.

The terrorists are getting  exactly what they want, and morons like you only help their cause.
 
2013-07-02 04:52:56 PM  
 
2013-07-02 04:58:48 PM  
Oh shiat! .005% of the world population wants to kill us! We gotta take away our rights and eavesdrop on ourselves to ensure it doesn't happen!

\ Bankers or Terrorists? You be the judge.
 
2013-07-02 05:02:54 PM  
Terrorists won.   Assisted 100% by the US politicians.
 
2013-07-02 05:05:34 PM  

lohphat: Statistics Show You Are NOT Going to Be Killed by Terrorism


My favorite part:

You're ~83,000 times more likely to die from self-harm than from terrorism. QUICK! Get everyone a personal police escort to prevent self-harm!*

*except for where you'd increase you risk of dying by thousands of times more than terrorism, of course.
 
2013-07-02 05:56:33 PM  
and all blankets, tents, and other items must be carried in see-through bags.

What - so they can see that it's a blanket? Because you cant wrap something inside a blanket?

I think that may be the dumbest thing I've heard all year. Thanks - idiocrats!
 
2013-07-02 06:20:55 PM  

TheSelphie: This.  I would know, I have to take Storrow on the way to work.  They sure as hell do not close it on the 3rd... except for this year.  One lane is going to be closed westbound starting at 6am, and the whole thing is going to be shut down by noon.  What a clusterfark.


See Thaetetus -now this is a guy to have sympathy for, for he will truly suffer. Not enough to take the T. like a reasonable person, but he will suffer.
 
2013-07-02 06:22:13 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: If you're so god damn afraid of dying to a terrorist attack


Dude - I'm totally not afraid of dying in a terrorist attack.  You f*cking people are the ones acting terrified. We're cool up here.
 
2013-07-02 06:23:13 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: their ability to go about their normal lives is being neutered by some overreaching authorities


I mean, seriously. Look at what you wrote.
 
2013-07-02 06:35:29 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Perpetuous Procrastination: If you're so god damn afraid of dying to a terrorist attack

Dude - I'm totally not afraid of dying in a terrorist attack.  You f*cking people are the ones acting terrified. We're cool up here.


Sorry, I must have been mistaken when I read direct quotes from the article that detailed Bostonians who aren't particularly thrilled with the changes. I can only assume, then, that while talking out of one side of your ass about others projecting their opinions as gospel, you too are attempting to speak for the general public with your sentiments of freedom and glee.

Hypocrisy, how does it work?

Zulu_as_Kono: Perpetuous Procrastination: their ability to go about their normal lives is being neutered by some overreaching authorities

I mean, seriously. Look at what you wrote.


Yes, just look at it, in all of its truthful glory. Authorities (the police/National Guard) exercising restrictions on the general public hindering/preventing (neutering) their going about normal functions which amounts to theater and absolutely zero decrease in risk.

Next you're going to try to tell me that somehow it's going to be impossible to commit an act of terror with only a 1 liter bottle and clear bags with blankets inside, right?

Either you're the most naive person on the planet or you were dropped on your head as a child. Repeatedly.

It's apparent you still don't grasp what terrorism is and/or what its goals are.
 
2013-07-02 07:17:12 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: Sorry, I must have been mistaken when I read direct quotes from the article that detailed Bostonians who aren't particularly thrilled with the changes. I can only assume, then, that while talking out of one side of your ass about others projecting their opinions as gospel, you too are attempting to speak for the general public with your sentiments of freedom and glee.


What the f*ck are you talking about?

Perpetuous Procrastination: Yes, just look at it, in all of its truthful glory.


I went about all of my normal business today without hinderance or neutering, and fully intend and expect to do the same thing tomorrow, and on the Fourth, and the day after that, too.  I don't know what it's like where you live.

Perpetuous Procrastination: It's apparent you still don't grasp what terrorism is and/or what its goals are.


Oh, I know. I'm just not a screaming ninny about it. Apparently you lack the perspective to avoid doing so yourself.
 
2013-07-02 08:38:00 PM  

BitwiseShift: It's a religious holiday. The Feast of St. Overtime.


You get paid for working overtime? Wow, what's that like?
 
2013-07-02 09:02:03 PM  

HaZZard42: FTFA:
But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

I don't think you understand what those words mean.


I'm gonna guess she's one of those people who thinks freedom = ability to go about ones life safe from harm/injury. No "anti-terror measure" is a bad one as long as it doesn't inconvience that crowed. She'd change her tune if the local government said "No motorized scooters allowed. The parts can be combined into weapons" or "No dentures allowed because they can be used to hide 'sliver' bombs."
 
2013-07-02 11:25:09 PM  
I did the Esplanade twice in my tenure living in Boston. Both times were in my 20s and both were an exquisite form of torture. Why anyone would want to be down there on the 4th is beyond me. It's just a muddy, sweltering hivemind of beery trash and filth.
 
2013-07-03 04:51:48 AM  
I hate to trot out this tired line but the terrorists have won. Crazy restrictions, people staying home, hundreds of armed officers on patrol. They've changed us.
 
2013-07-03 07:19:22 AM  

Zulu_as_Kono: TheSelphie: This.  I would know, I have to take Storrow on the way to work.  They sure as hell do not close it on the 3rd... except for this year.  One lane is going to be closed westbound starting at 6am, and the whole thing is going to be shut down by noon.  What a clusterfark.

See Thaetetus -now this is a guy to have sympathy for, for he will truly suffer. Not enough to take the T. like a reasonable person, but he will suffer.


I was actually only delayed about 10 minutes this morning.  Since work is in Brookline, I need to change trains 3 times, so it literally takes me an hour and a half on the T itself.  It actually takes less time even in a traffic jam.
 
2013-07-03 08:26:55 AM  

TheSelphie: I was actually only delayed about 10 minutes this morning.  Since work is in Brookline, I need to change trains 3 times, so it literally takes me an hour and a half on the T itself.  It actually takes less time even in a traffic jam.


My heart bleeds for you. Really, how do you have the strength to go on?
 
2013-07-03 08:28:37 AM  

Shahab: I hate to trot out this tired line but the terrorists have won. Crazy restrictions, people staying home, hundreds of armed officers on patrol. They've changed us.


Grow a f*cking spine you goddamned pussy.
 
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