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(Boston Globe)   Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measures   (bostonglobe.com) divider line 183
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2013-07-02 02:52:24 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.

When people say "the terrorists have won", they're referring to the fact that, with a tiny attack, our government will spend millions upon millions of dollars and will strip away our rights in the name of security theater. It's not saying "zomg terrorists" as you apparently think.

I'm no fan of security theater, as you rightly call it.  But are you saying that increased security at this year's fourth is somehow unreasonable?  And are you really saying that having to bring liquids in clear bottles in order to go to the Esplanade is somehow an assault on some fundamental freedom?


This year, clear plastic bottles and no cans of Diet Coke. Next year, three ounce limits, just like the airlines. After that, who knows. Hell, you can't even bring a 5 ounce tube toothpaste on a plane anymore. Thats idiotic.

 I work in a government agency that deals with terrorism. There are a shiatload of people in the department who make their living by coming up with all sorts of ridiculous scenarios and pushing incredibly ineffective (and usually amazingly expensive) and inconvenient ways of preventing them. The whole mentality grows on itself, it's a complete snowball effect and I have no idea of where it might end. Take away the imaginary threats, get a grip on reality, and they're pounding the pavement looking for a new job. They don't want that to happen.

A few weeks ago I made a similar post, and a guy replied that he liked to make his own soap, but because of homeland security crap he couldn't buy 4 ounce bottles of lye anymore at craft shops. He *could* buy gallon jugs of the stuff elsewhere. I guess the rationale was that terrorists would be too stupid to put the lye in smaller containers or would just bag their terrorist ways because of the inconvenience.

If the government is going to take the time to deal with that sort of alternate reality, where is it going to stop?

The only reason for this stuff at Boston is that alot of people have cushy jobs and to keep them they need to convince other people there's a boogeyman behind every bush. Also, $overtime$ is a big incentive.

The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.
 
2013-07-02 02:54:06 PM

enemy of the state: The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.


Yeah, whatever you say, Eric.
 
2013-07-02 02:54:22 PM

Theaetetus: Zulu_as_Kono: TheSelphie: The farkbags are closing major roadways the day BEFORE.  The ride home is going to be a disaster tomorrow.

What the f*ck would you be doing on the river roads on July 3 anyway? Oh, because you're an idiot, that's why.

/they close Storrow on the 3rd every year

Not so. They normally close Storrow at 8 AM on the 4th. I know, because I've driven one of the speaker towers down the middle of it at 8:01.


This.  I would know, I have to take Storrow on the way to work.  They sure as hell do not close it on the 3rd... except for this year.  One lane is going to be closed westbound starting at 6am, and the whole thing is going to be shut down by noon.  What a clusterfark.
 
2013-07-02 02:58:04 PM
Yeah, I'd have to skip it.
 
2013-07-02 02:59:39 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result.

Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing and why.  People "suffering"? Get off your high horse.  No one is making these people go to the Esplanade - they are making an informed choice.

Do you have such heart-tugging empathy for people who DO go to Fenway, and watch movies at the theater, and participate in other, non-shut-in activities, some of which cost money?


How did you manage to quote and reply to a post without reading it?
 
2013-07-02 03:01:57 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: enemy of the state: The fact that a few people posting here are saying it's no big deal, or that it's even justified are a good indication that the Big Brother idea of Newspeak and pounding lies into the proles' heads is working pretty well.

Yeah, whatever you say, Eric.


You have a point. Extra security this year is a good idea and I should have made that clear.

My point is that I see this stuff from the inside and the mentality of the government scares me.

Let me make myself clear. There are real and terrible security threats out there which, believe me, are not hypothetical. Overreaction to minor stuff such as this has the effect of eroding liberties little by little, and of diverting resources and focus from real threats.
 
2013-07-02 03:03:54 PM
In situations like this, provided over-incentive, and never increase security substantially. Give free flights away, bus people in, free beer, whatever it takes... and if it happens again, double down. Eventually the people take care of themselves, and the terrorists never win.
 
2013-07-02 03:06:42 PM

koder: In situations like this, provided over-incentive, and never increase security substantially. Give free flights away, bus people in, free beer, whatever it takes... and if it happens again, double down. Eventually the people take care of themselves, and the terrorists never win.


You have never had to deal with the MBTA, have you?
 
2013-07-02 03:07:09 PM

Theaetetus: How did you manage to quote and reply to a post without reading it?


Dude, if you were trying to make a point other than you have empathy for people who have to suffer the injustice of paying for things at events they go to, you failed.

And if you really think there was a meeting where vendors were sitting there with police rubbing their hands in greedy joy as they made plans for security, you have an over-active imagination.
 
2013-07-02 03:07:37 PM

Ivo Shandor: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

It's also based on Philippine Airlines Flight 434 on which a liquid bomb in a bottle of contact lens solution killed one person and tore a big hole in the airplane. Of course, TSA being the TSA, their liquid ban was not particularly effective at countering this threat.


Great article.
 
2013-07-02 03:20:24 PM
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
 
2013-07-02 03:42:39 PM

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


Tat's an excellent aphorism. I'm stealing it.
 
2013-07-02 04:03:53 PM
"If we can't bring backpacks, it's just not worth the hassle," said Glidden, 55, of Lynn. "I'd need a large bag to carry sweatshirts, drinks, snacks, sunscreen, cellphones, etc. I can't imagine what someone with a child in diapers would do."

Yup. I don't attend any events where I can't bring my stuff. The terrorists have won.
 
2013-07-02 04:33:29 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Wow, it's really really sad that Boston is allowing themselves to remain terrorized.


If only they had a tradition of standing up against tyranny and injustice.
 
2013-07-02 04:34:03 PM
andreakristenpack.com

We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... - Edward R. Murrow, See It Now, 1954
 
2013-07-02 04:34:13 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: The My Little Pony Killer: The only 'sniveling weenie' in this story is the idiot who decided that a full-on ban on fun would somehow create safety.

You're a goddamned moron.

The My Little Pony Killer: Once again, the only thing wetting their bed here is the city of Boston. Please try to pay attention before twisting up your panties.

We're fine, but thanks for your totally-uninformed concern.

The My Little Pony Killer: Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.

Maybe not everyone, but you, for sure.

robbiex0r: I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.

Good for you.

Vitamin Pb: Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!

Over-react much?  Douchebag.


Oh look, another indignant soul who doesn't grasp what terrorism is about. I'll give you a hint: it's exactly what's going on right now with this event.

If you're so god damn afraid of dying to a terrorist attack, it's  YOU who should be staying home, not everyone else because their ability to go about their normal lives is being neutered by some overreaching authorities that makes not a single farking difference in the actual risk of being killed by a terrorist attack.

The terrorists are getting  exactly what they want, and morons like you only help their cause.
 
2013-07-02 04:52:56 PM
 
2013-07-02 04:58:48 PM
Oh shiat! .005% of the world population wants to kill us! We gotta take away our rights and eavesdrop on ourselves to ensure it doesn't happen!

\ Bankers or Terrorists? You be the judge.
 
2013-07-02 05:02:54 PM
Terrorists won.   Assisted 100% by the US politicians.
 
2013-07-02 05:05:34 PM

lohphat: Statistics Show You Are NOT Going to Be Killed by Terrorism


My favorite part:

You're ~83,000 times more likely to die from self-harm than from terrorism. QUICK! Get everyone a personal police escort to prevent self-harm!*

*except for where you'd increase you risk of dying by thousands of times more than terrorism, of course.
 
2013-07-02 05:56:33 PM
and all blankets, tents, and other items must be carried in see-through bags.

What - so they can see that it's a blanket? Because you cant wrap something inside a blanket?

I think that may be the dumbest thing I've heard all year. Thanks - idiocrats!
 
2013-07-02 06:20:55 PM

TheSelphie: This.  I would know, I have to take Storrow on the way to work.  They sure as hell do not close it on the 3rd... except for this year.  One lane is going to be closed westbound starting at 6am, and the whole thing is going to be shut down by noon.  What a clusterfark.


See Thaetetus -now this is a guy to have sympathy for, for he will truly suffer. Not enough to take the T. like a reasonable person, but he will suffer.
 
2013-07-02 06:22:13 PM

Perpetuous Procrastination: If you're so god damn afraid of dying to a terrorist attack


Dude - I'm totally not afraid of dying in a terrorist attack.  You f*cking people are the ones acting terrified. We're cool up here.
 
2013-07-02 06:23:13 PM

Perpetuous Procrastination: their ability to go about their normal lives is being neutered by some overreaching authorities


I mean, seriously. Look at what you wrote.
 
2013-07-02 06:35:29 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Perpetuous Procrastination: If you're so god damn afraid of dying to a terrorist attack

Dude - I'm totally not afraid of dying in a terrorist attack.  You f*cking people are the ones acting terrified. We're cool up here.


Sorry, I must have been mistaken when I read direct quotes from the article that detailed Bostonians who aren't particularly thrilled with the changes. I can only assume, then, that while talking out of one side of your ass about others projecting their opinions as gospel, you too are attempting to speak for the general public with your sentiments of freedom and glee.

Hypocrisy, how does it work?

Zulu_as_Kono: Perpetuous Procrastination: their ability to go about their normal lives is being neutered by some overreaching authorities

I mean, seriously. Look at what you wrote.


Yes, just look at it, in all of its truthful glory. Authorities (the police/National Guard) exercising restrictions on the general public hindering/preventing (neutering) their going about normal functions which amounts to theater and absolutely zero decrease in risk.

Next you're going to try to tell me that somehow it's going to be impossible to commit an act of terror with only a 1 liter bottle and clear bags with blankets inside, right?

Either you're the most naive person on the planet or you were dropped on your head as a child. Repeatedly.

It's apparent you still don't grasp what terrorism is and/or what its goals are.
 
2013-07-02 07:17:12 PM

Perpetuous Procrastination: Sorry, I must have been mistaken when I read direct quotes from the article that detailed Bostonians who aren't particularly thrilled with the changes. I can only assume, then, that while talking out of one side of your ass about others projecting their opinions as gospel, you too are attempting to speak for the general public with your sentiments of freedom and glee.


What the f*ck are you talking about?

Perpetuous Procrastination: Yes, just look at it, in all of its truthful glory.


I went about all of my normal business today without hinderance or neutering, and fully intend and expect to do the same thing tomorrow, and on the Fourth, and the day after that, too.  I don't know what it's like where you live.

Perpetuous Procrastination: It's apparent you still don't grasp what terrorism is and/or what its goals are.


Oh, I know. I'm just not a screaming ninny about it. Apparently you lack the perspective to avoid doing so yourself.
 
2013-07-02 08:38:00 PM

BitwiseShift: It's a religious holiday. The Feast of St. Overtime.


You get paid for working overtime? Wow, what's that like?
 
2013-07-02 09:02:03 PM

HaZZard42: FTFA:
But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

I don't think you understand what those words mean.


I'm gonna guess she's one of those people who thinks freedom = ability to go about ones life safe from harm/injury. No "anti-terror measure" is a bad one as long as it doesn't inconvience that crowed. She'd change her tune if the local government said "No motorized scooters allowed. The parts can be combined into weapons" or "No dentures allowed because they can be used to hide 'sliver' bombs."
 
2013-07-02 11:25:09 PM
I did the Esplanade twice in my tenure living in Boston. Both times were in my 20s and both were an exquisite form of torture. Why anyone would want to be down there on the 4th is beyond me. It's just a muddy, sweltering hivemind of beery trash and filth.
 
2013-07-03 04:51:48 AM
I hate to trot out this tired line but the terrorists have won. Crazy restrictions, people staying home, hundreds of armed officers on patrol. They've changed us.
 
2013-07-03 07:19:22 AM

Zulu_as_Kono: TheSelphie: This.  I would know, I have to take Storrow on the way to work.  They sure as hell do not close it on the 3rd... except for this year.  One lane is going to be closed westbound starting at 6am, and the whole thing is going to be shut down by noon.  What a clusterfark.

See Thaetetus -now this is a guy to have sympathy for, for he will truly suffer. Not enough to take the T. like a reasonable person, but he will suffer.


I was actually only delayed about 10 minutes this morning.  Since work is in Brookline, I need to change trains 3 times, so it literally takes me an hour and a half on the T itself.  It actually takes less time even in a traffic jam.
 
2013-07-03 08:26:55 AM

TheSelphie: I was actually only delayed about 10 minutes this morning.  Since work is in Brookline, I need to change trains 3 times, so it literally takes me an hour and a half on the T itself.  It actually takes less time even in a traffic jam.


My heart bleeds for you. Really, how do you have the strength to go on?
 
2013-07-03 08:28:37 AM

Shahab: I hate to trot out this tired line but the terrorists have won. Crazy restrictions, people staying home, hundreds of armed officers on patrol. They've changed us.


Grow a f*cking spine you goddamned pussy.
 
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