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(Boston Globe)   Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measures   (bostonglobe.com) divider line 183
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2013-07-02 12:19:42 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: BunkoSquad: I guess everyone has their own definition of "sniveling weenies". Anyone who feels "well, they can do whatever they need to do to me to keep me feeling safe" fits my bill, but hey, freedom to interpret it your own way.

Yeah, I don't see going through security in order to attend a free outdoor event within an enclosed area as a great affront to my liberty.  But maybe I'm more robust than you.


Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!
 
2013-07-02 12:20:00 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: I'm no fan of security theater, as you rightly call it.  But are you saying that increased security at this year's fourth is somehow unreasonable?


Yep. It's unreasonable because it's useless. If you were so minded, you could walk right up to the chest-high security fence around the Hatch lawn and throw something over. More so, the prohibitions allow as much liquid as you want, provided you break it up into 2-liter bottles. And even a single 2-liter bottle could make a pretty good explosive device.Hell, the regulations didn't even say anything about pressure cookers.
So, yeah, it's unreasonable. It's like a lot of DRM schemes that require entering a word in a manual or require a CD to be in the drive before a program will run - they're trivial for pirates to circumnavigate, and only piss off people who  aren't a problem. In the same way, the security prohibitions will only affect people who have no interest in causing a problem.

Which makes you wonder the real point... Notice this line in the article?

Others said they will make do, even if they are unhappy about the restrictions.
Pat Rioux and her best friend have been going to the Esplanade every year for the past decade. If they cannot bring a cooler, she said, they'll find food and drinks at the concessions.


The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.
 
2013-07-02 12:20:16 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: jshine: Not sure where the hostility comes from, but did you actually read TFA

Yeah, I get the Globe every morning. And I know the area where the restrictions are in force and it's tiny and you couldn't pay me enough to go there.

The rest of you assholes just don't know what you're talking about. That's where the hostility comes from.


Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.
 
2013-07-02 12:21:44 PM  

Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.


As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?
 
2013-07-02 12:23:29 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Considering that the ones declaring defeat are cringing from the police and state authorities, not terrorists, it sounds more like you're the asshole.

What the f*ck are you trying to say? I'm talking about the losers in this thread who are all "the terrorists have won", and just over-reacting in general. "Police and state authorities". Please.


I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.
 
2013-07-02 12:23:33 PM  

King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?


I was hoping they'd be on fixies.
 
2013-07-02 12:24:00 PM  

King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?


Now you have me trying to figure out how you mount the loud pipes (for safety of course) and the 3 foot high chopper handlebars on a horse.
 
2013-07-02 12:35:54 PM  
This is so pitiful.

I refuse to believe this is not an onion article.
 
2013-07-02 12:36:29 PM  
I was forced to put out a sparkler by a DC cop on the 4th of July.  In a public park (Fort Reno).  I bought the sparklers across the street.

Still amazed at how stupid that was.

/America!
 
2013-07-02 12:36:53 PM  

Marshall Willenholly: I've been thinking of driving shippingup to Boston for the 4th.  But some of the comments make me think that maybe I shouldn't.  Is it really that bad?  I don't mind crowds and stuff, I just like the Boston Pops and fireworks.  Is it really that bad, or should I try it?


Sorry. Had to. It's not too bad. If you're going "up" I'd highly recommend parking at a T station and taking public transit. Alewife is pretty easy to get to and will be a few short hops to where the action is. The Esplanade is a short walk from the Charles/MGH stop on the Red Line. Another good place to watch from is Memorial Drive on the Cambridge side over by the MIT station. The bars will be pretty empty around the city as everyone is either at home grilling or down by the river.
 
2013-07-02 12:37:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I was hoping they'd be on fixies.


Oddly enough last week I saw someone riding around town on a chopper bicycle... it actually looked like a motorcycle. I think it's a new trend.
 
2013-07-02 12:39:37 PM  

Wellon Dowd: meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?

The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.


There's a great Kids in the Hall / Buddy Cole about the American flag burning controversy at the time... point is, in Canada, they burn their flag to stay warm.  Bestest reason of all.

King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?


Fixies.

/hipsters.
 
2013-07-02 12:40:21 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: King Something: Mister Buttons: I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.

As opposed to a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on horseback?

I was hoping they'd be on fixies.


StreetlightInTheGhetto: Fixies.

/hipsters.


Dammit!

You win this round.
 
2013-07-02 12:46:54 PM  
Tase them all and let God sort it out.
 
2013-07-02 12:48:30 PM  

dragonchild: Mangoose: 2) Why is this asinine?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 240x243]


1-31-2007 NEVER FORGET
 
2013-07-02 12:52:33 PM  

russlar: the terrorists won.


This.
 
2013-07-02 12:52:42 PM  

taxachucetts: used to go every year, set up a sunshade and bring a cooler... there's no way I'm going through all that hassle to get down there
and not be able to drink, grill, and set up shop on the esplenade. Gonnna go hiking or something instead


My thoughts exactly
 
2013-07-02 12:54:45 PM  

jshine: The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.
/ chemical engineer


What about explosive diarrhea?
 
2013-07-02 12:57:00 PM  
I hope people are still allowed to set off fireworks in the darkest, sketchiest part of the park.  It wouldnt be the same without being worried about getting hit with an arrant bottle rocket.
 
2013-07-02 01:01:18 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: What about explosive diarrhea?


For a moment I thought, "the TSA doesn't check for that", but I've found conflicting evidence!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-02 01:05:44 PM  

groppet: This crap is the reason I stopped going down to DC for fireworks. The mall is fenced in, you get searched, everything is banned. It's a joke now, all they need is someone on a loudspeaker saying "You will have fun under pain of imprisonment."


ENFORCED RECREATION
 
2013-07-02 01:18:55 PM  
There were no problems at their Stanley Cup celebration so what makes them think the 4th of July will be any different?

Oh wait... Nevermind.
 
2013-07-02 01:21:38 PM  
FTFA:
But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

I don't think you understand what those words mean.
 
2013-07-02 01:21:43 PM  
They should really use those private security and jail corporations headquartered in Britain, like they do in Philadelphia at Independence Hall.
 
2013-07-02 01:25:55 PM  

theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.


What makes you think I'm a Libertarian, ever drive to Boston, or own a pickup truck?
 
2013-07-02 01:27:35 PM  

theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.


You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)
 
2013-07-02 01:28:38 PM  

vpb: illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."

Well, there's always Somalia.  Just hide when the satellites pass overhead.


Thankfully there are other options than that tired false dichotomy, and we can still hope to see fixed our United Surveillance States of America.
 
2013-07-02 01:28:51 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: ENFORCED RECREATION


Live on stage in London!
 
2013-07-02 01:32:12 PM  

BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)


Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.
 
2013-07-02 01:33:09 PM  

violentsalvation: Thankfully there are other options than that tired false dichotomy, and we can still hope to see fixed our United Surveillance States of America.


That is never going to catch on.  Go back to the marketing department and get back to me when you have something snappy.
 
2013-07-02 01:33:59 PM  

Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.


Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?
 
2013-07-02 01:34:00 PM  

Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.


I'm honestly curious.  Care to elaborate?
 
2013-07-02 01:34:37 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The only 'sniveling weenie' in this story is the idiot who decided that a full-on ban on fun would somehow create safety.


You're a goddamned moron.

The My Little Pony Killer: Once again, the only thing wetting their bed here is the city of Boston. Please try to pay attention before twisting up your panties.


We're fine, but thanks for your totally-uninformed concern.

The My Little Pony Killer: Right. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is the stupid. Uh huh.


Maybe not everyone, but you, for sure.

robbiex0r: I can tell you that on any day, holiday or not, I am much more afraid of running afoul of my police and state authorities than I am of being involved in a terrorist incident.


Good for you.

Vitamin Pb: Hey, cool! Free cavity searches!


Over-react much?  Douchebag.
 
2013-07-02 01:38:05 PM  

BgJonson79: What makes you think I'm a Libertarian, ever drive to Boston, or own a pickup truck?


Because I'm farking with you as being from New Hampshire.

BgJonson79: You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)


Too bad about the property taxes and crazy libertarians, though.
 
2013-07-02 01:39:16 PM  

Theaetetus: It's unreasonable because it's useless.


Ehh, I don't see the big deal. We all knew it was going to happen if for nothing else so the cops can have their asses covered.  I don't understand why anyone would want to actually go to the Esplanade anyway.

Theaetetus: The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.


Again - the type of folks who go to this thing? F*ck 'em. Let them get overcharged.  None of this will affect me or anyone I know in any way whatsoever.

But I love all these people who are trying to tell me what's happening in my city, from whatever two-bit burgh they're in.  I was just out at PO Sq Beach over lunch - no one is terrorized.
 
2013-07-02 01:40:38 PM  

theorellior: BgJonson79: What makes you think I'm a Libertarian, ever drive to Boston, or own a pickup truck?

Because I'm farking with you as being from New Hampshire.

BgJonson79: You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Too bad about the property taxes and crazy libertarians, though.


If it makes you feel better, I drive a Prius ;-)

I've not met any crazy Libertarians.  Also, since we're talking about state to state comparisons, NH state property taxes are low.  It's the localities that make it higher.  But since I don't have to pay sales or income tax on stuff, we come out quite a bit ahead.
 
2013-07-02 01:45:10 PM  
Celebrate your freedom by giving it up.
 
2013-07-02 01:45:12 PM  
Yet another example of how the terrorists won.


/live in fear, always
 
2013-07-02 01:50:52 PM  

Gunny Highway: Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.

Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?


I'm from a part of the world where having a guy with whiskey on his breath tell you that your government is communist and kills old people because they are old while resting his hand on his gun belt isn't exactly normal.  No seriously, crazy old drunk dude in a combo diner/general store did this when he saw my Canadian license plate.

Yes it was a one time thing. No I didn't wet my pants. I was mostly joking but I can see I offended you guys. So, mission accomplished, or something, I guess.
 
2013-07-02 01:52:41 PM  

Egoy3k: Gunny Highway: Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.

Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?

I'm from a part of the world where having a guy with whiskey on his breath tell you that your government is communist and kills old people because they are old while resting his hand on his gun belt isn't exactly normal.  No seriously, crazy old drunk dude in a combo diner/general store did this when he saw my Canadian license plate.

Yes it was a one time thing. No I didn't wet my pants. I was mostly joking but I can see I offended you guys. So, mission accomplished, or something, I guess.


Im from Rhode Island.
 
2013-07-02 02:04:03 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: The real enemy they're targeting - people who won't pay $20 for a beer and a hot dog.

Again - the type of folks who go to this thing? F*ck 'em. Let them get overcharged.  None of this will affect me or anyone I know in any way whatsoever.


Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-07-02 02:07:56 PM  
I moved to Connecticut in December 2001 and decided to take the train down to Times Square just to say that I did it. I never felt worried or scared, but the security was ridiculous. I took a 10PM train home and watched the ball drop from the comfort of a hotel room while drinking scotch.

However, while trying to duck under a police barricade to see how long the line was, I blew out the crotch of my jeans. Had to go to buy a new pair and wear them out of the store, not realizing there was a security tag sewn into the jeans. Took me a month to realize why I kept setting off the security alarms every time I'd walk in or out of a store.

/Cool story, stupid fatty
 
2013-07-02 02:13:05 PM  

Egoy3k: Gunny Highway: Egoy3k: BgJonson79: theorellior: BgJonson79: Well, it *IS* the People's Republic of Massachusetts...

Hahaha. You drive to work in Boston in a giant-ass pickup truck to prove you're a proud libertarian? New Hampshire-- the Texas of New England.

You also sound very jealous of our low taxes and crime rate ;-)

Dude.  I not defending Boston here but New Hampsire isn't exactly perfect either. You have some very strange people in your state. I'd be worried just having a conversation with them let alone stealing from them.  It's a great place to go camping though, until you need to head into town for bread.

Where are you from that you are worried about talking to people from NH?

I'm from a part of the world where having a guy with whiskey on his breath tell you that your government is communist and kills old people because they are old while resting his hand on his gun belt isn't exactly normal.  No seriously, crazy old drunk dude in a combo diner/general store did this when he saw my Canadian license plate.

Yes it was a one time thing. No I didn't wet my pants. I was mostly joking but I can see I offended you guys. So, mission accomplished, or something, I guess.


But in NH, that's just a local and they/we are easy to avoid.  In MA, it's the gov't that's bad ;-)  Try to avoid them!
 
2013-07-02 02:14:18 PM  

Theaetetus: Christ, what an asshole.


You probably complain about how expensive beers are at Fenway, and popcorn at the movies.
 
2013-07-02 02:18:53 PM  
Im shocked, SHOCKED, that Boston's police continue to full derp.
 
2013-07-02 02:21:53 PM  

jshine: DoBeDoBeDo: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.

This is real TNT (the stuff from the road-runner cartoons):

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x240]

Note that it's not a liquid.  In fact, it can be melted and formed into just about any solid shape you desire: a bar of soap, a backpack handle, wheels for a cart, etc., etc., etc.

The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.  The vast majority of the ones in common use look basically like plastic.

/ chemical engineer


Aside from nitroglycerin, Picatinny liquid explosive, nitroglycol, methyl nitrate, nitroform, methyl ethyl ketone hydroperoxide, slurry explosives, watergels, etc.

Note that four of those can be made by any idiot who can read and get to a hardware store.
 
2013-07-02 02:26:49 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Theaetetus: Christ, what an asshole.

You probably complain about how expensive beers are at Fenway, and popcorn at the movies.


I don't go to Fenway, and I watch movies at home. But, even though said prices don't affect me personally, I still think it's outrageous for my fellow citizens, because I'm a human and have empathy. I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result. Because I'm not an asshole.

/I bet you complain about Obamacare forcing people to be a captive market to buy health insurance on the private market without any price controls
 
2013-07-02 02:41:53 PM  

Theaetetus: I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result.


Yeah, that's exactly what they're doing and why.  People "suffering"? Get off your high horse.  No one is making these people go to the Esplanade - they are making an informed choice.

Do you have such heart-tugging empathy for people who DO go to Fenway, and watch movies at the theater, and participate in other, non-shut-in activities, some of which cost money?
 
2013-07-02 02:43:27 PM  

Theaetetus: I think it's even worse when the government uses a terrorism "threat" to create a captive market, and I sympathize with the people who will suffer as a result. Because I'm not an asshole.


Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

Over-dramatic much? Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to.

As if people are forced to go to this stupid celebration. Bussed in at gunpoint, not allowed to leave, required to spend X number of dollars on concessions. The agony, the torture of having to pay $5 for a bottled water, and no other options like, oh, I don't know...not go to such a crapshow? Oh, the humanity!

And you are an asshole.

/me too!
 
2013-07-02 02:50:23 PM  

FarkinHostile: Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!


Please, show him some sympathy! He's running out of reasons to be outraged about this!
 
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