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(Boston Globe)   Some Bostonians are wondering if it's worth celebrating freedom and strength on the 4th while also abiding by strict post-Marathon security measures   (bostonglobe.com) divider line 183
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2013-07-02 09:51:07 AM
1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?
 
2013-07-02 10:18:30 AM
"Last week, State Police said they will deploy hundreds of uniformed and undercover troopers, private security, federal agents, and National Guardsmen to the Esplanade on July 3 and 4....

.... David Procopio, a State Police spokesman. "We specifically didn't want to create the atmosphere of an armed camp, and we haven't created that atmosphere."

 

Uh huh, sure
 
2013-07-02 11:02:08 AM
I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."
 
2013-07-02 11:03:27 AM
We really really let the terrorists win this time.
 
2013-07-02 11:04:13 AM
Hundreds of cops armed to the teeth
Thousands of things going kaboom
Yeah the pigs won't find a reason to shoot somebody or their dog
 
2013-07-02 11:04:24 AM
You can't win for losing.
 
2013-07-02 11:04:33 AM
Strict security measures would make sense if the guys who had done the bombing were still at large and able to do it again.

They're just a theatrical waste of money without an actual threat.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:02 AM
True Bostonians will always find a way to whoop-ass a minority.
 
2013-07-02 11:05:34 AM
I bet the Herald is having a hard time knowing how to spin this. "Protect the poor citizens of Metro Boston from evil scurry Moose Limbs" or "ZOMG!!! Citizens rounded up to FEMA camps!"
 
2013-07-02 11:06:25 AM
It's a religious holiday. The Feast of St. Overtime.
 
2013-07-02 11:06:34 AM
Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.
 
2013-07-02 11:06:55 AM

BitwiseShift: It's a religious holiday. The Feast of St. Overtime.


I'm stealing that line.
 
2013-07-02 11:07:24 AM
I'd sooner snort draino than be in Boston for the 4th.
 
2013-07-02 11:09:54 AM
Mangoose [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 09:51:07 AM


1) DRTFA
2) Why is this asinine?

It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.
 
2013-07-02 11:11:18 AM
the terrorists won.
 
2013-07-02 11:11:59 AM

FarkinHostile: I'd sooner snort draino than be in Boston for the 4th.


Heat in the 90s, muggy weather, drunk South Shore Massholes, and standing-room only from one bridge to another... yeah, not on my to-do list.
 
2013-07-02 11:12:53 AM
Well I think the police and the military should conduct thorough house to house searches over the entire Boston area to make sure everyone is safe before and after the marathon...
 
2013-07-02 11:13:06 AM
Boston Strong Butthurt
 
2013-07-02 11:13:51 AM
Pat Rioux and her best friend have been going to the Esplanade every year for the past decade. If they cannot bring a cooler, she said, they'll find food and drinks at the concessions. "It will cramp our style a bit," she said. But she understands why the security has been heightened. "The bottom line is we don't want to be terrorized," said Rioux, 62, of Bolton. "We want to celebrate and embrace our freedom."

mindblown.gif
 
2013-07-02 11:14:23 AM
I've done it before - the 4th, and recently, the 3rd (where they do the whole musical program but without the fireworks, and there's 1/1,000th of the crowd) - but not amid this crap. Obviously having the public at a public event is inconvenient to the cops, so I'll oblige them and stay the hell away.
 
2013-07-02 11:15:18 AM
It's so crowded at the Hatch Shell on the 4th that you're better off watching at home. The olny way I would watch fireworks at the Charles River is to do what I did one year and pay the fee at the Community Boating House to watch from the dock. That was a fun time and not crowded like elsewhere.
 
2013-07-02 11:19:12 AM

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-02 11:19:24 AM

illegal.tender: I'm not doing any July 4 celebrations this year. Gotten pretty disenchanted with my country since the whole NSA thing.

"A watched man is not a free man."


Well, there's always Somalia.  Just hide when the satellites pass overhead.
 
2013-07-02 11:19:48 AM

OnlyM3: It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.


I intend for this comment to express my concurrence in the sentiments expressed by the quoted text.
 
2013-07-02 11:20:38 AM

Mangoose: 2) Why is this asinine?


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2013-07-02 11:21:51 AM

BunkoSquad: I've done it before - the 4th, and recently, the 3rd (where they do the whole musical program but without the fireworks, and there's 1/1,000th of the crowd) - but not amid this crap. Obviously having the public at a public event is inconvenient to the cops, so I'll oblige them and stay the hell away.

 
2013-07-02 11:21:52 AM

meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?


The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.
 
2013-07-02 11:22:37 AM
used to go every year, set up a sunshade and bring a cooler... there's no way I'm going through all that hassle to get down there
and not be able to drink, grill, and set up shop on the esplenade. Gonnna go hiking or something instead
 
2013-07-02 11:23:01 AM
Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.
 
2013-07-02 11:23:32 AM
FTFA:Visitors will also be banned from carrying in cans, glass containers, pre-mixed beverages, liquids greater than 2 liters, or any sharp objects.

Challenge accepted.

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2013-07-02 11:24:24 AM

what_now: Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.


QFT.
 
2013-07-02 11:24:31 AM
These are the same Bostonians who collectively shiat their pants over a fugitive teenager and shut down their city for days over it? Those proud sons and daughters of the revolution who let SWAT teams search under their mattresses for terrorists? Boohoo.
 
2013-07-02 11:25:08 AM

russlar: the terrorists won.


Ok. War over.
 
2013-07-02 11:25:35 AM
Those regulations are asinine.

Were I in charge, I'd cancel the event entirely rather than going as far as what they describe in TFA.  Just admit that the terrorists won rather than demonstrating the fact by making an obscene spectacle out of "security".
 
2013-07-02 11:26:40 AM

what_now: Actually, I'm really really pissed about this. We're celebrating a group of people who overthrew the British Army, and we're doing it while cowering from two morons with a pressure cooker.


One of whom is dead...but then again, zombies are really in right now.
 
2013-07-02 11:26:55 AM

IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.


You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.
 
2013-07-02 11:26:56 AM
OnlyM3:
It's assinine that the "home of the brave" has been turned into a bunch of bed wetting cowards... Just what the state wants them to be.

The state has, not the people. If you read the article, people are complaining about the idiotic security measures.
 
2013-07-02 11:27:16 AM

soopey: Challenge accepted.


Popov is gut rot.  I'm pretty sure you can get plastic handles of Sobieski for another $5-10.
 
2013-07-02 11:27:44 AM
FTA:  For 30 years, Matt Lincoln and his family have trooped to the Esplanade to celebrate the Fourth, pushing a cart loaded with tents, a hammer and stakes, bunting, flags, chairs, tables, and a sizable buffet - not to mention a sickle to clear view-blocking weeds.

Good, we don't need commies at our celebration anyway.
 
2013-07-02 11:28:16 AM

IrateShadow: soopey: Challenge accepted.

Popov is gut rot.  I'm pretty sure you can get plastic handles of Sobieski for another $5-10.


Difficulty: does it come in a plastic bottle? Smirnoff does sometimes..
 
2013-07-02 11:28:56 AM

soopey: IrateShadow: soopey: Challenge accepted.

Popov is gut rot.  I'm pretty sure you can get plastic handles of Sobieski for another $5-10.

Difficulty: does it come in a plastic bottle under two liters? Smirnoff does sometimes..


FTFM
 
2013-07-02 11:29:06 AM

jshine: Were I in charge, I'd cancel the event entirely rather than going as far as what they describe in TFA. Just admit that the terrorists won rather than demonstrating the fact by making an obscene spectacle out of "security".


Huh.

I'd cancel the event entirely

That'd go over well with the electorate.

admit that the terrorists won

That'd go over just as well.

Next time, before you share your brilliant ideas, think about why you're not in charge.
 
2013-07-02 11:29:19 AM
We lay claim to the title "the home of the brave" in our national anthem (repeatedly, if you count each verse, not that anyone knows beyond the first). Can we still call that claim legitimate if we cannot accept even the tiniest risks?
 
2013-07-02 11:29:37 AM

taxachucetts: used to go every year, set up a sunshade and bring a cooler... there's no way I'm going through all that hassle to get down there
and not be able to drink, grill, and set up shop on the esplenade. Gonnna go hiking or something instead


It's always been a zoo to begin with.  With all of the prewarnings, crowds will be smaller, you'll get a better spot, have more space, and ...lightning never strikes the same place twice.  Right?
 
2013-07-02 11:29:48 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.

You do realize there are entire departments within the government out to stop the guys from "Live Free or Die Hard".........yeah really.


This is real TNT (the stuff from the road-runner cartoons):

upload.wikimedia.org

Note that it's not a liquid.  In fact, it can be melted and formed into just about any solid shape you desire: a bar of soap, a backpack handle, wheels for a cart, etc., etc., etc.

The liquid thing is stupid -- very few explosives are liquids.  The vast majority of the ones in common use look basically like plastic.

/ chemical engineer
 
2013-07-02 11:31:14 AM

IrateShadow: Can we stop with the liquid bans already?  It's a farking stupid security measure that's based on the plot from Die Hard 3.


It's also based on Philippine Airlines Flight 434 on which a liquid bomb in a bottle of contact lens solution killed one person and tore a big hole in the airplane. Of course, TSA being the TSA, their liquid ban was not particularly effective at countering this threat.
 
2013-07-02 11:31:52 AM
So the Esplanade is going to be less horribly, god-awful overcrowded this year?  Awesome, thanks terrorists!
 
2013-07-02 11:31:58 AM
I swear to god, all we need is a few biker gangs full of disenfranchised teenagers on motorcycles and we'll have fulfilled the prophecy of every 90's anime movie I've ever seen.

/tentacle porn need not apply.
 
2013-07-02 11:32:52 AM

Wellon Dowd: meat0918: Burn a flag.

What symbolizes American freedom more than the ability to destroy one of the most visible symbols of our country without governmental repercussions?

The best reason to burn a flag is that it is prohibited, and the best reason to not burn one is that it is allowed.


you're supposed to burn the flag when disposing of it

if you really wanna stick it to the man, i guess put it in a trash can?
 
2013-07-02 11:34:39 AM

dragonchild: jshine: Were I in charge, I'd cancel the event entirely rather than going as far as what they describe in TFA. Just admit that the terrorists won rather than demonstrating the fact by making an obscene spectacle out of "security".

Huh.

I'd cancel the event entirely

That'd go over well with the electorate.

admit that the terrorists won

That'd go over just as well.

Next time, before you share your brilliant ideas, think about why you're not in charge.



I'm not in charge for a few reasons:

1) no single person is -- this isn't a dictatorship
2) I wouldn't have a prayer in any election because you're probably right -- being forthright and up-front about the state of affairs is not a popular position

/ though, my prior post was based on a hypothetical situation where there were only 2 options: cancel the event or go ahead with the rules described in TFA.  In actual practice, were I in a dictatorial role, I'd hold the event as usual, but with a conspicuously elevated police presence -- but without putting in place any "emergency" rules or authorities that don't normally exist.
 
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