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2013-07-02 01:39:38 PM
1. We've completely eliminated poverty and hunger when people have this to biatch about.
2. Don't people grow out of this shiat by the time they graduate college at the very latest? I mean people dick around with hippie bullshiat until junior year or so, but they usually get over it.
 
2013-07-02 01:40:06 PM

I am Mayhem: That said, agreed with all who said if being vegan is keeping you from naturally producing something your body should, maybe you need to reevaluate.


Who says it is? Random people in this thread apparently. Vegan threads become echo chambers for the ignorant and trollish. These people aren't dieticians and just like to repeat nonsense. Even the ADA endorsed vegan diets years ago.

http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/705553
 
2013-07-02 01:40:29 PM

ajax6677: legion_of_doo: ajax6677: Not sure why she gets flack for the video about chewing up food for her baby. I've done that several times when we have gone out to eat. It's so much easier to just share food off your plate. We like to make sure he gets enough protien but he doesn't have enough teeth to chew the steak on his own yet.
Was the video that weird, cuz it just seems like a normal mom-thing to me?

So you chew the food in your mouth, and then bend over your child, and pass the food from your mouth to your child's mouth?

Is that what she did in the video? That is weird for sure. I bite off pieces, chew up some of the tougher stuff, and take it out of my mouth first before feeding him with my fingers.
He is 17 months now so we aren't doing that as often but he's still going strong with the breastfeeding. :)


It's not that she does it on occasion when out and about and without a better option (such as a magic bullet - love that thing). It's that she is a militant AW about it: LOOK WHAT I DO FOR MY CHILD I AM BEST MOM ALL OTHERS WHO DO NOT SPIT INTO THEIR BABBIES' MOUTHS ARE BAD MOMS.
 
2013-07-02 01:40:42 PM
Bathia_Mapes:
Just for the record, vegans do not object to breastfeeding.

Shut up, we're here to unjustifiably hate on vegans and chew gum, and we're all outta gum.
 
2013-07-02 01:41:11 PM
factoryconnection:

Also, my wife had a 99%-head child vaginally and her husband hasn't had any complaints about it since.

Our midwife had to perform an emergency episiotomy when the baby got stuck... it's noticeable.  My wife theorizes that she did too many Kegel exercises, or not quite correctly, or something.
 
2013-07-02 01:41:39 PM

factoryconnection: Wangiss: Yeah, all the time. My sister in law had three children at home within the last decade, completely unassisted. I'm sure millions if not billions of babies have been born healthy that way. Taxi cab babies, cave babies, war babies, shame babies... women tend to assist if they can, but some women have no friends or family.

Yes, billions of babies have been born without CNMs, and of course there are the unplanned, unassisted ones, too.  They do say that babies born in elevators, taxis, et cetera have remarkably good outcomes.

I just didn't know if women in our country plan unassisted home births.  I've seen enough hemorrhaging to know that it is really, really helpful to have a medical practitioner on hand for even an uneventful birth, but that's just me.  And we're done at three anyhow.

I am Mayhem: A hundred years ago I would have been one of those women who died in childbirth. Yaaaay modern medicine!

Indeed; that's where modern medicine shines.  Your experience is atypical, however.

Also, my wife had a 99%-head child vaginally and her husband hasn't had any complaints about it since.


Episiotomy with a "husband stitch" afterwards?

/jk
 
2013-07-02 01:41:49 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.


Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms
 
2013-07-02 01:42:20 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: s it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?


Would you eat a human leg you found in a dumpster? If you think that's okay, sure go for it.
 
2013-07-02 01:42:24 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Just for the record, vegans do not object to breastfeeding.


That's not true.  The last one put up quit a fight!
 
2013-07-02 01:42:57 PM

machoprogrammer: 1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.

Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms


Helpful hint: Go outside.
 
2013-07-02 01:43:06 PM

Nabb1: factoryconnection: CliChe Guevara: Cool. Now can you give us some more helpful rationalizations to help us work around why we are squarely in the middle of the third world for most of our other inconvenient benchmarks?

Yeah, counting statistics aside, I'd really like to see our massive expenditures, technology and know-how, tempered with many of our young, poor women (i.e. those that have the babies) having low access to that care put us, say top ten?

I mean, hell it would be great if our massive expenditures, tech, and knowledge put us first, but we can't go funding reproductive health concerns for people!

In New Orleans, our primary problem is not the lack of available pre-natal care for poor and low-income women as much as it is the fact that those services are under-used, and many women show up to the hospital in labor with no pre-natal care.  We have major teaching hospitals that staff these clinics and they go largely unused. Someone needs to figure out why these women aren't going and get them there.


Someone needs to figure it out? Really? Perhaps it is because those folks are probably not as educated as to what these services are or why they are important. For most people, Sex-Ed is like an hour long course taught in elementary school. Health class is often times optional or "taught" by a gym teacher who doesn't care. This is the same reason people have no clue how personal finances should work or how to live. The school system does not teach BASIC skills, but academic - most of which kids will have no use for. Parents are responsible for teaching their kids EVERYTHING else, and the likelihood they even have parents or knowledgeable parents is slim to none.

If you want to remedy that situation, you start teaching important shiat in school - or advertise in between day time TV along with the scumbag lawyers, technical schools, and fast food commercials.
 
2013-07-02 01:43:49 PM

Wangiss: machoprogrammer: theMagni: nocturnal001: y bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

My dog eats meat.  I don't.  I'm not an animal.  I can make choices that a dog can't.


Magorn: Attention Vegan Women: producing breat milk is one of the basic functions of a female human body. when a woman's body stops producing enough of it, it is a clear sign something is VERY VERY wrong. Usually only happens when the woman is STARVING to death.

Some women just don't make milk.  It doesn't matter what their diet is.  My ex produced plenty.  One of her friends (on an omnivore diet) couldn't make a drop, even with the industrial pump they have at the hospital.


Brittabot: But you CANNOT do that shiat to your kids! Children cannot thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian? Probably ok, but not vegan. They simply will not get the nutrients they need to develop properly physically or mentally.

What nutrients would they be missing?  My kids have been in the 99th percentile for mental and physical development since they were born.  Based on what you're posting, my nine-year-old can read better than you.

Iron, vitamin b12, zinc, among many others

Vegetarian is fine, but vegan lacks many nutrients

I'm not vegan, but my garden calls bullshiat on your Iron and zinc deficiency claims.


Plants don't have near the amount that liver, oysters and meat have
 
2013-07-02 01:45:14 PM

PsiChick: Nana's Vibrator: I sort of understand the concept and the spirit of vegans, but why work around the natural process of breast feeding if you don't HAVE to?  Human bodies evolved over many tens of thousands of years to do something that amazing.  What these vegans are doing is unnatural and potentially harmful.  And really, if you're that much of a disciplined vegan trying to live a certain way, probably the most natural and vegan thing you can do is to just let that little meat-needing sucker die.

Or you could RTFA and find out that vegans are a-ok with breastfeeding, since the mother is capable of consenting to give her milk to her child.


And there you have it.  People just aren't familiar with Rothbard.
 
2013-07-02 01:46:18 PM
Ancient act of compassion that has been depicted many times in art.

The largest Human Breast Milk Bank in the world is found in Brazil.
 
2013-07-02 01:46:52 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: meat0918: Vegan is not a natural state of affairs for human beings, and is a lifestyle made possible only by modern means.

"Natural". A generally meaningless word, and a fallacy pretty much any time you make it into an argument. And using modern means or not, it is possible. So what?


Veganism is not healthy without modern assistance.  This includes the easy availability of the foods transported around the world to sustain it, as well as the many synthetic supplements available.

Vegetarianism can be healthy however, and many Americans eat too WAY much meat.
 
2013-07-02 01:48:03 PM

namegoeshere: machoprogrammer: 1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.

Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms

Helpful hint: Go outside.


Unless you live in Florida, good luck getting enough skin exposure to get adequate vitamin D in winter
 
2013-07-02 01:48:14 PM

machoprogrammer: 1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.

Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms


Vitamin D is easy to get.

Go stand in the sun.
 
2013-07-02 01:48:35 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: There was a huge uproar in Phoenix when some mother left her child in daycare and one of the workers, when the kid was being fussy and hard to handle, whipped out her breast and suckled the kid.


Breast milk from a poor person is unclean.
 
2013-07-02 01:48:38 PM

brap: Is this just for women with children.

How do they feel about adult homemade mozzarella celebrity cheese fetishists?  I'm asking for a friend.


I've had human milk mozzarella. It's delicious.
 
2013-07-02 01:49:20 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: Pray 4 Mojo: s it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?

Would you eat a human leg you found in a dumpster? If you think that's okay, sure go for it.


OMG!  Wow!  Yes, making use of meat that would otherwise go to waste - same as cannibalism!

Please, continue...

/such awesome kookdom
 
2013-07-02 01:49:25 PM

give me doughnuts: Wangiss: machoprogrammer: theMagni: nocturnal001: y bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

My dog eats meat.  I don't.  I'm not an animal.  I can make choices that a dog can't.


Magorn: Attention Vegan Women: producing breat milk is one of the basic functions of a female human body. when a woman's body stops producing enough of it, it is a clear sign something is VERY VERY wrong. Usually only happens when the woman is STARVING to death.

Some women just don't make milk.  It doesn't matter what their diet is.  My ex produced plenty.  One of her friends (on an omnivore diet) couldn't make a drop, even with the industrial pump they have at the hospital.


Brittabot: But you CANNOT do that shiat to your kids! Children cannot thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian? Probably ok, but not vegan. They simply will not get the nutrients they need to develop properly physically or mentally.

What nutrients would they be missing?  My kids have been in the 99th percentile for mental and physical development since they were born.  Based on what you're posting, my nine-year-old can read better than you.

Iron, vitamin b12, zinc, among many others

Vegetarian is fine, but vegan lacks many nutrients

I'm not vegan, but my garden calls bullshiat on your Iron and zinc deficiency claims.


You growing a lot of oysters and liver in that garden?


I live in the Rocky Mountains.

You're funny.
 
2013-07-02 01:49:39 PM

WildManBand: http://www.exvegans.com/

Those (vegan) people are crazy!

I'm going to upload some snarky submissions and ruin their fun if the content is not monitored.


LOL! Is this College Liberal/Bad Argument Hippie?
http://www.exvegans.com/wp-content/themes/directorypress/thumbs/unkn ow n-821--2013-07-02395694110x110.jpg
 
2013-07-02 01:49:47 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: Pray 4 Mojo: s it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?

Would you eat a human leg you found in a dumpster? If you think that's okay, sure go for it.


No... I wouldn't eat a cow leg I found in the dumpster either. Not really the same thing.

If I still had my goats that we used to eat weeds... and I walked out on morning and watch one keel over and die... I wouldn't just throw it away... and if it died of natural causes... I don't get the vegan objection.

/Vegans are wasteful
//And farking annoying
 
2013-07-02 01:51:08 PM

darwinpolice: This just seems to be an attempt to provide adequate nutrition to babies without the mothers having to compromise their diets.


No, it's also rejecting help from other mothers who happen to not be vegan because...reasons. Milk banks are already available, but for some vegans they aren't "clean" enough.

Vegans don't insist that their vegetables do not receive any nutrition from animals (which the vegetables likely did if they are organic) so why would they insist that their milk producer didn't receive any nutrition from animals?
 
2013-07-02 01:51:27 PM

Befuddled: I really, really do not understand the hardcore vegetarians/vegans. Maybe meats and dairy aren't the best things to eat but they're not poison; you can eat them and survive.

I also don't get parents who force their kids to be vegan as every vegan kid I have heard about sounded like he was malnourished.


How selectively did you read this thread?
 
2013-07-02 01:52:18 PM

Befuddled: I really, really do not understand the hardcore vegetarians/vegans. Maybe meats and dairy aren't the best things to eat but they're not poison; you can eat them and survive.


Vegans avoid all unnecessary harm to others. It's not a diet. It's a fundamentally different way of living that encompasses diet.

I also don't get parents who force their kids to be vegan as every vegan kid I have heard about sounded like he was malnourished.

Every omnivore kid I have heard about is obese. Not really, that would be silly. Put vegan kids in a lineup with fit omnivore kids and you'd have no way of telling. Cite some studies showing any different health incidences and then you'd have a point.
 
2013-07-02 01:52:18 PM
You and your offspring can live perfectly healthy lives on a vegan diet. Widespread veganism is made possible due to modern commerce, if not in some regions it would be impossible or nearly impossible. You should be, you know, on the down low about it not screaming I'M SPECIAL regarding it. Elsewise you look like an ass.

As for the breast milk either go for it, take what's offered, or just freaking use formula or let the kid starve. That's also natural.
 
2013-07-02 01:52:37 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: 1. Put snakes on plane: Pray 4 Mojo: s it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?

Would you eat a human leg you found in a dumpster? If you think that's okay, sure go for it.

No... I wouldn't eat a cow leg I found in the dumpster either. Not really the same thing.

If I still had my goats that we used to eat weeds... and I walked out on morning and watch one keel over and die... I wouldn't just throw it away... and if it died of natural causes... I don't get the vegan objection.

/Vegans are wasteful
//And farking annoying


I assume you would have a vet make sure it was natural causes before dining?  I could understand butchering it up in hopes you could eat it, but damn, I'd have to make 100% sure of how it died.
 
2013-07-02 01:53:47 PM

meat0918: machoprogrammer: 1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.

Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms

Vitamin D is easy to get.

Go stand in the sun.


Try getting vitamin D from the sun in a cold climate in winter...
 
2013-07-02 01:54:38 PM

meat0918: IRQ12: Am I reading this right:  They're vegan because that's supposedly what we are supposed to be by nature or whatever but in being vegan they can't produce enough milk to keep their babies alive?

I thought she was vegan because "meat is murder" and her whole being a PETA spokesperson.

Vegan is not a natural state of affairs for human beings, and is a lifestyle made possible only by modern means.


Which is not a true indictment though.

I don't agree with the Vegan philosophy but there are many things we no longer do that are "natural" but are now frowned upon due to moral reasons.
 
2013-07-02 01:55:18 PM

machoprogrammer: Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms


It's not in many animal sources either. Fortunately, most people can make their own.
 
2013-07-02 01:56:40 PM

factoryconnection: Wangiss: Yeah, all the time. My sister in law had three children at home within the last decade, completely unassisted. I'm sure millions if not billions of babies have been born healthy that way. Taxi cab babies, cave babies, war babies, shame babies... women tend to assist if they can, but some women have no friends or family.

Yes, billions of babies have been born without CNMs, and of course there are the unplanned, unassisted ones, too.  They do say that babies born in elevators, taxis, et cetera have remarkably good outcomes.

I just didn't know if women in our country plan unassisted home births.  I've seen enough hemorrhaging to know that it is really, really helpful to have a medical practitioner on hand for even an uneventful birth, but that's just me.  And we're done at three anyhow.

I am Mayhem: A hundred years ago I would have been one of those women who died in childbirth. Yaaaay modern medicine!

Indeed; that's where modern medicine shines.  Your experience is atypical, however.

Also, my wife had a 99%-head child vaginally and her husband hasn't had any complaints about it since.


When you use terms like "women in our country" it generalizes the discussion into a cultural one.  Both of these statements are accurate in context:
1. No, American women don't plan unassisted home births.
2. Yes, there are plenty of American women who plan unassisted home births.

As for elasticity, our midwife (who has been practicing over 30 years) has never delivered a child with a head as large as our most recent, fourth child born at home.  Yet the wife's tighter than she was after #1 in the hospital.  Who the hell knows.
 
2013-07-02 01:56:49 PM

tuna fingers: factoryconnection:

Also, my wife had a 99%-head child vaginally and her husband hasn't had any complaints about it since.

Our midwife had to perform an emergency episiotomy when the baby got stuck... it's noticeable.  My wife theorizes that she did too many Kegel exercises, or not quite correctly, or something.


I think natural muscle tone and tissue repair ability has a lot to do with it. Some women end up looser, some end up with less room than before.
 
2013-07-02 01:58:31 PM
 darwinpolice: This just seems to be an attempt to provide adequate nutrition to babies without the mothers having to compromise their diets.

No, it's also rejecting help from other mothers who happen to not be vegan because...reasons. Milk banks are already available, but for some vegans they aren't "clean" enough.

Vegans don't insist that their vegetables do not receive any nutrition from animals (which the vegetables likely did if they are organic) so why would they insist that their milk producer didn't receive any nutrition from animals?


I don't see how that wouldn't be hypocritical.  A carrot that "fed" off of cow shiat is very much different than giving your baby milk from a mom that slaughters and kills cows.  Not to mention that those animal proteins will wind up in the milk that you are giving your baby. Essentially, they would be feeding their baby meat.
 
2013-07-02 02:00:11 PM

machoprogrammer: 1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.

Vitamin D is tough to get from plant sources. Unless you eat nothing but mushrooms


Some people use sunlight.  It's more available in Southern Hippystan than in Northern Hippystan, though.  Those poor, unfortunate Seattle hippie vegans...
 
2013-07-02 02:00:40 PM

FunkOut: tuna fingers: factoryconnection:

Also, my wife had a 99%-head child vaginally and her husband hasn't had any complaints about it since.

Our midwife had to perform an emergency episiotomy when the baby got stuck... it's noticeable.  My wife theorizes that she did too many Kegel exercises, or not quite correctly, or something.

I think natural muscle tone and tissue repair ability has a lot to do with it. Some women end up looser, some end up with less room than before.


Sounds right.  I enjoy loose women, but with the wife, I have less room in the bed than I had before.
How are you FO?
 
2013-07-02 02:01:03 PM

noitsnot: 1. Put snakes on plane: Pray 4 Mojo: s it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?

Would you eat a human leg you found in a dumpster? If you think that's okay, sure go for it.

OMG!  Wow!  Yes, making use of meat that would otherwise go to waste - same as cannibalism!

Please, continue...

/such awesome kookdom


So, you wouldn't kill and eat a human, and also wouldn't eat one you just found dead. I wouldn't kill and eat another animal, or eat one I just found dead. How remarkable!
 
2013-07-02 02:02:03 PM

legion_of_doo: nocturnal001: My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

There's a Vegan pet movement made up of various animal torturers out there.

/it's okay to torture animals if they are our own pets!


Yea, I don't give two farks if people want to feed their kids vegan because humans can survive on a vegan diet (although I think it is silly to completely cut out certain foods that aren't particularly bad for you in moderation and would make eating enough protein/calcium/healthy fat a lot easier).

Dogs and cats? Not so much. You are uncomfortable feeding your dog meat? Then don't get a dog. I have vegetarian family members and they understand the necessity of feeding animals high animal protein diets.

I could go on and on about this but suffice it to say that many vets, people, and animal food manufacturers seem to think cat, dog, and human digestive systems are exactly the same. They aren't.

Anyway, I can't really hate on what AS is doing, there are programs for women to share breast milk that are [possibly] over-regulated and make it hard or even impossible for women to get breast milk if they don't have any. So women have to make their own sharing networks. Her network caters to certain beliefs. And there are women out there with freezers full of breast milk that they'd happily give away. Formula is great, but I would opt for breast milk if it was possible. Some babies can't drink formula anyway and not all mothers can make breast milk (even if they do everything "right" and eat a perfect diet). I didn't see where it said "I'd let my baby starve before giving him non-vegan breast milk or formula."

/1st world problems...
 
2013-07-02 02:02:39 PM

machoprogrammer: Wangiss: machoprogrammer: theMagni: nocturnal001: y bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

My dog eats meat.  I don't.  I'm not an animal.  I can make choices that a dog can't.


Magorn: Attention Vegan Women: producing breat milk is one of the basic functions of a female human body. when a woman's body stops producing enough of it, it is a clear sign something is VERY VERY wrong. Usually only happens when the woman is STARVING to death.

Some women just don't make milk.  It doesn't matter what their diet is.  My ex produced plenty.  One of her friends (on an omnivore diet) couldn't make a drop, even with the industrial pump they have at the hospital.


Brittabot: But you CANNOT do that shiat to your kids! Children cannot thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian? Probably ok, but not vegan. They simply will not get the nutrients they need to develop properly physically or mentally.

What nutrients would they be missing?  My kids have been in the 99th percentile for mental and physical development since they were born.  Based on what you're posting, my nine-year-old can read better than you.

Iron, vitamin b12, zinc, among many others

Vegetarian is fine, but vegan lacks many nutrients

I'm not vegan, but my garden calls bullshiat on your Iron and zinc deficiency claims.

Plants don't have near the amount that liver, oysters and meat have


Or pennies!
 
2013-07-02 02:03:07 PM

profplump: darwinpolice: This just seems to be an attempt to provide adequate nutrition to babies without the mothers having to compromise their diets.

No, it's also rejecting help from other mothers who happen to not be vegan because...reasons. Milk banks are already available, but for some vegans they aren't "clean" enough.

Vegans don't insist that their vegetables do not receive any nutrition from animals (which the vegetables likely did if they are organic) so why would they insist that their milk producer didn't receive any nutrition from animals?


 You've never seen vegan fertilizer for sale, have you?

nocturnal001: meat0918: IRQ12: Am I reading this right:  They're vegan because that's supposedly what we are supposed to be by nature or whatever but in being vegan they can't produce enough milk to keep their babies alive?

I thought she was vegan because "meat is murder" and her whole being a PETA spokesperson.

Vegan is not a natural state of affairs for human beings, and is a lifestyle made possible only by modern means.

Which is not a true indictment though.

I don't agree with the Vegan philosophy but there are many things we no longer do that are "natural" but are now frowned upon due to moral reasons.


I'll submit on the natural point.  I have a problem with vegans claiming it is more natural, and I fell right into the same fallacy.  My bad.  I'll try not to repeat it.
 
2013-07-02 02:05:52 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: noitsnot: 1. Put snakes on plane: Pray 4 Mojo: s it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?

Would you eat a human leg you found in a dumpster? If you think that's okay, sure go for it.

OMG!  Wow!  Yes, making use of meat that would otherwise go to waste - same as cannibalism!

Please, continue...

/such awesome kookdom

So, you wouldn't kill and eat a human, and also wouldn't eat one you just found dead. I wouldn't kill and eat another animal, or eat one I just found dead. How remarkable!


Perfectly rational IMO.

I always have wondered about artificial meat flavorings though.  I wouldn't eat artificial human flavor, but many veggie types seem cool with fake chicken flavor.

Of course I guess it depends on the why of Veganism.  Is it to prevent animal suffering? Then I guess it would fit. Still, somebody had to kill a chicken once in order to create that flavor. ;)
 
2013-07-02 02:06:15 PM

meat0918: You've never seen vegan fertilizer for sale, have you?


I have. What I haven't seen for sale is large amounts and wide varieties of vegan-fertilized foodstuffs.
 
2013-07-02 02:06:18 PM
*scans thread

cdn.wl.uproxx.com
 
2013-07-02 02:06:39 PM

give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.



Do you think that only cow milk has calcium and Vitamin D?  All of those things are in plants, except B-12, which is made by bacteria now.  And yes, we all take vitamin supplements.  Are you saying you don't?  Well, I guess you do if you eat meat, you just don't know what's in them.

/You get vitamin D by going outside.
//I'm fairly certain I've read more on nutrition than you have.
 
2013-07-02 02:07:22 PM

profplump: darwinpolice: This just seems to be an attempt to provide adequate nutrition to babies without the mothers having to compromise their diets.

No, it's also rejecting help from other mothers who happen to not be vegan because...reasons. Milk banks are already available, but for some vegans they aren't "clean" enough.

Vegans don't insist that their vegetables do not receive any nutrition from animals (which the vegetables likely did if they are organic) so why would they insist that their milk producer didn't receive any nutrition from animals?


There may be some vegan, philosophical line somewhere about pooping being voluntary.  In Japan, you say "I want to take a dump," whereas in English we say "I have to take a dump."  Vegans may have some similar voluntaristic line they draw regarding the use of fertilizer.  We should have an intern look it up.

YOU!  INTERN!  COME HERE AN LOOK UP THIS POOP VOLUNTARISM PHILOSOPHY NOW, I COMMAND YOU!
 
2013-07-02 02:07:32 PM
As the husband of a new mom that donates her excess breast milk (we have >600 oz in the freezer still!) to other new moms in the area, I'm getting a kick out of this thread...

/ Neither of us are vegan
/ Nom nom nom animal protein
 
2013-07-02 02:08:32 PM

nocturnal001: I don't see how that wouldn't be hypocritical.  A carrot that "fed" off of cow shiat is very much different than giving your baby milk from a mom that slaughters and kills cows.  Not to mention that those animal proteins will wind up in the milk that you are giving your baby. Essentially, they would be feeding their baby meat.


I don't see how it's different. The cows were raised specifically to be slaughtered and create meat. The fact that we don't eat their shait doesn't change the fact that their shait only exists because we eat them.
 
2013-07-02 02:08:55 PM

StaleCoffee: We're in NJ and exempt from vax laws not because we don't believe in vaccines but we wanted to wait until our kids were older and their immune systems had more time to develop. Call me a nutter, fine, but I have farked up a lot of things in my life, I want to be careful not to fark up my kids too badly. I know all the arguments in both directions but I think immunizing our kids from 7 to 12 is a reasonable frame of time


Stupid or troll?  It is obvious you did not investigate this issue by looking at pier reviewed journals
 
2013-07-02 02:10:25 PM
Anti-vaxxers? In a Vegan thread? More likely than I thought, apparently.
 
2013-07-02 02:10:31 PM

Wangiss: pooping being voluntary


Yes, cows need to poop. But those cows aren't being raised to poop and then allowed to die natural deaths after a long life of pooping -- they're raised to be slaughtered and used as meat and other animal products.
 
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