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2013-07-02 01:11:24 PM
if your diet can't sustain providing for you and your child, it's probably time to try a different diet
 
2013-07-02 01:11:55 PM

pxlboy: theorellior: gopher321: Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style since the birth of her son, Bear Blu

I have an acquaintance who named her son "Bear". I don't quite get the logic, but whatevs. So far I've resisted the urge to say things like, "Feeling cranky and fussy? Better drink my own piss!"

Growing up, I knew a guy named 'Thunder'.

/some parents


My Norse friend (Eric) named one of his sons Thor.  This was about 30 years ago.
 
2013-07-02 01:12:14 PM
 
2013-07-02 01:13:38 PM
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Alicia Silverstone is kind of crazy but also kind of hot.
 
2013-07-02 01:14:15 PM

tuna fingers: Wangiss: MattyFridays: My daughter spent 2 weeks in the hospital after being born.  Whatever the doctors said, we agreed with, because they were the best at what they do and obviously smarter than us when it came to the situation.

I could not fathom what kind of garbage these docs have to go through with crunchy granola parents who want to do "natural" things with their kid.  UGH.

They often have their babies at home with the assistance of crunchy-granola doulas.

Midwife plus doula.
And it was scary yet wonderful.


Our midwife had two trainees with her: free doulas!  And they were practically experts.  It was freaking awesome.  A little crowded, though.
 
2013-07-02 01:14:19 PM

p the boiler: I don't understand vegans, but then again I'm paleo, so what the hell do I know ( probably a little more about evolution than vegans for starters)


While I think being "paleo" is ultimately more nutritionally sound than than vegan, you ain't totally in a place to throw stones ,as  paleo is a sound nutritional principle (lower carb eating-since we really did evolve to eat far less carbs than agriculture allows us to eat) with a lot of extra hooey about which foods you can eat
 
2013-07-02 01:14:24 PM

Fano: JeffKochosky: Diogenes: theorellior: gopher321: Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style since the birth of her son, Bear Blu

I have an acquaintance who named her son "Bear". I don't quite get the logic, but whatevs. So far I've resisted the urge to say things like, "Feeling cranky and fussy? Better drink my own piss!"

Reminds me of a punchline for a joke.  I forget the full flow of the joke narrative but it essentially had to do with Indian women competing to have the strongest son with the chief by conceiving on rugs made of animal hides.  Bear was the best because, "The son of the squa on the one hide is equal to the sons of the squas on the other two hides."

I'm gonna have to try and track that one down - I love stories with a PUNch line. Here are a few of my favorites:

"Better Nate than lever"

"People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones"

"If the foo shiats, wear it"

Of course, my favorite bad story joke isn't even a pun - it's the story of The 99 Steps, and on a good day, I can spend over 20 minutes telling the story... just to end with the punch line "Corn flakes are more popular than scrambled eggs."

/I usually start running shortly after that.

Hugh, and only Hugh, can prevent florist friars.

A Benny shaved is a Benny earned.


Yeast is yeast, and nest is nest, and never the mane shall tweet.
 
2013-07-02 01:15:01 PM

nocturnal001: MagicBoris: factoryconnection: "I care enough about my baby to breastfeed it and seek out extra milk when I can't produce, but not so much that I'll accept any from someone that might have eaten some cheese in the last decade."

Is this to make sure that the kids don't get any veterinary antibiotics or hormones?  Because the proteins and fats in breastmilk are generated from broken-down food nutrients in the mom's body... there isn't any "cow" left in the milk.

I guess this makes it 100% clear that her kids are raised vegan as well.  Hmmm...

That is not actually true. For instance, I know of a few kids who had a bovine protein allergy when they were very young (it tends to go away before the kid turns two, often earlier), and their mothers can't eat anything that has a trace of beef or milk as long as they're breastfeeding.

My son had a dairy milk allergy.  While she was breastfeeding she had to avoid any cow milk. Goat milk and beef meat was fine.

The FA is still odd though.  Many women do not make enough breastmilk, you just supplement with formula. No need to get other titties involved.


There are actually hospital-endorsed programs that collect and distribute breast milk for mothers who are ill, indigent, or when the mother died, but the parents still want to feed the baby breast milk (for whatever reasons).  I think this is good.

Then there is Alicia Silverstone, whose only qualification is that the milk be from a vegan woman.  Vegan with HIV?  YES PLEASE.  Healthy meat-eating woman?  GET AWAY FROM ME WITH YOUR TAINTED MILK!
 
2013-07-02 01:15:05 PM
Kuta:
Any group which chooses to believe their behavior is RIGHT will NECESSARILY believe that the behavior of others is WRONG. But vegans are choosing to act against their biology. This causes lots of problems. Some people have the will to overcome, but that's not always a good thing as is evidenced here.

It should be noted that consuming the milks of other beasts is against our biology too.

/I love cheese.
 
2013-07-02 01:16:17 PM

Nabb1: factoryconnection: Nabb1: THIS. Those comparable mortality rates are incredibly unreliable. Also, I know some doctors who have been down to Cuba and I wouldn't trust anything they tell you. While there are some great doctors down there, most facilities have grossly inadequate supplies.

Nice!  That makes us 33rd!  USA!  USA!  USA!

US hospitals will record a live birth for any fetus that is delivered alive, even if pre-term. Many countries, including European countries do not. But if a prematurely delivered baby does not survive, even a few hours, a death certificate is issued.


Cool. Now can you give us some more helpful rationalizations to help us work around why we are squarely in the middle of the third world for most of our other inconvenient benchmarks?
 
2013-07-02 01:16:57 PM

borg: It's vegan if it's your own being used to feed your child(ren).


Since the whole point of this co-op is to feed OTHERS children (or to feed your own children another mammal's breast milk), it is not vegan.
 
2013-07-02 01:17:21 PM

ciberido: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Isn't all milk "breast milk"?

No.  Cows don't have breasts, therefore milk from cows cannot be breast milk.  Only primates have breasts.


Yes, also women have nipples, animals have teats. Long ago in vocational agriculture class, around the age of 15 or so I had to tell about the parts of the cow, and instead of teats I said nipples, being awestruck of the mammaries of the few girls in the class. Hilarity ensued and I was greatly embarrassed.
 
2013-07-02 01:17:36 PM

IRQ12: Am I reading this right:  They're vegan because that's supposedly what we are supposed to be by nature or whatever but in being vegan they can't produce enough milk to keep their babies alive?


I thought she was vegan because "meat is murder" and her whole being a PETA spokesperson.

Vegan is not a natural state of affairs for human beings, and is a lifestyle made possible only by modern means.
 
2013-07-02 01:17:51 PM

give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.


There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.
 
2013-07-02 01:18:11 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: Luse: How do you get the animal proteins that you need?
Soy and nuts only go so far.

There's no such thing.


Tuarine, Vitamin b-12
 
2013-07-02 01:18:47 PM
On a more serious note, apparently some hard core vegans have held the opinion that breast milk is not vegan, leading to some horribly undernourished infants, and too-late interventions by the state.
 
2013-07-02 01:19:42 PM
Not sure why she gets flack for the video about chewing up food for her baby. I've done that several times when we have gone out to eat. It's so much easier to just share food off your plate. We like to make sure he gets enough protien but he doesn't have enough teeth to chew the steak on his own yet.
Was the video that weird, cuz it just seems like a normal mom-thing to me?
 
2013-07-02 01:20:16 PM

Kuta: Here's the thing:

If you choose to believe in something...anything...that requires you to behave a certain way, you *will* need moral support to *do* the right thing.

Vegans need to be a part of a community because the behavior they choose IS NOT NATURAL. Primates are omnivorous. As homo sapiens, we just happen to be wise enough to make decisions and plan for the future.

Any group which chooses to believe their behavior is RIGHT will NECESSARILY believe that the behavior of others is WRONG. But vegans are choosing to act against their biology. This causes lots of problems. Some people have the will to overcome, but that's not always a good thing as is evidenced here.


Here's the thing:

A collection of logical fallacies and weird assertions doesn't make for a sensible post.
 
2013-07-02 01:20:57 PM

CliChe Guevara: Cool. Now can you give us some more helpful rationalizations to help us work around why we are squarely in the middle of the third world for most of our other inconvenient benchmarks?


Yeah, counting statistics aside, I'd really like to see our massive expenditures, technology and know-how, tempered with many of our young, poor women (i.e. those that have the babies) having low access to that care put us, say top ten?

I mean, hell it would be great if our massive expenditures, tech, and knowledge put us first, but we can't go funding reproductive health concerns for people!
 
2013-07-02 01:21:15 PM

factoryconnection: Wangiss: They often have their babies at home with the assistance of crunchy-granola doulas.

Do women do home births without nurse midwives?  The doula may be there but the CNM is an accredited, masters-level medical practitioner.  I've seen lots of home birth videos and read the stories but they all had CNMs in attendance.


Yeah, all the time.  My sister in law had three children at home within the last decade, completely unassisted.  I'm sure millions if not billions of babies have been born healthy that way.  Taxi cab babies, cave babies, war babies, shame babies... women tend to assist if they can, but some women have no friends or family.
 
2013-07-02 01:21:17 PM

tuna fingers: Kuta:
Any group which chooses to believe their behavior is RIGHT will NECESSARILY believe that the behavior of others is WRONG. But vegans are choosing to act against their biology. This causes lots of problems. Some people have the will to overcome, but that's not always a good thing as is evidenced here.

It should be noted that consuming the milks of other beasts is against our biology too.

/I love cheese.


As a mutant that has inherited the trait of being able to digest lactose well into adulthood, so I am biologically able to digest it, I say, "Pass the Gouda".
 
2013-07-02 01:21:23 PM

borg: It's vegan if it's your own being used to feed your child(ren).


DING correct, human milk is not an "animal product"
 
2013-07-02 01:22:06 PM

legion_of_doo: YixilTesiphon: the money is in the banana stand: legion_of_doo: the money is in the banana stand: YixilTesiphon: legion_of_doo: You've got Vegans, immunization conspiracists, all sorts of highly educated wackos here.

We're expecting in November and the thing I am most worried about is immunization nutters transmitting disease to my child. SCIENCE IS REAL. Damn.
Luckily I don't think there are too many of those in Pennsylvania, but still.

Can't you not attend school without immunization records? Isn't that part of the enrollment process?

You can get exemptions in California. I think that applies to both public & private schools now... farking asshole helicopter conspiracy nutters.
/yay, junk science!
/looks like Pennsylvania also has religious/ethical exemptions from vaccination

Wow, there should be no exemptions.

Well, if the Amish want to stay on their farms and fark around in their carriages, whatever, but the public schools shouldn't allow unvaccinated children.

Yeah, that's one of those things where religious & non-religious nutters must have equality in terms of the law.

/I don't know why the new California law forces private schools to deal with the same vac exemption nutters. The old law was public school only, as I recall That kind of pisses me off. farking government overreach. Must be farking Marin county again.


We're in NJ and exempt from vax laws not because we don't believe in vaccines but we wanted to wait until our kids were older and their immune systems had more time to develop. Call me a nutter, fine, but I have farked up a lot of things in my life, I want to be careful not to fark up my kids too badly. I know all the arguments in both directions but I think immunizing our kids from 7 to 12 is a reasonable frame of time.

I do not do what the hospital says without asking why they want to do it first. The hospital my wife works at - where both our kids were delivered iirc - has a 50% c section rate, and it's for insurance reasons. The doc told me that circumcision doesn't hurt and it's not a big deal, and I watched them strap my baby boy into a device that looked like a farking medieval torture chair with actual farking wrist and ankle clamps, and I have never in reality or film heard a scream so pained and terrified as my 48 hour old son getting his dick snipped. I feel like I failed to protect him and no, he doesn't remember, but it was done not for health reasons but both insurance and traditional reasons. There may be health reasons behind it but in both these cases, they are done to excess because it is convenient for the hospital, not what's best for the child and mother.

I think the progress in medical science has been the greatest boon to humanity, ever. That doesn't mean every practitioner is infallible.
 
2013-07-02 01:22:23 PM

nocturnal001: My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs?  Do they feed them soyfood?


In the early days of Usenet, someone described a vegan neighbor who would adopt a cat every so often, only to eventually lose them to a mysterious illness.  :-(
 
2013-07-02 01:22:45 PM

Valiente: Might as well ship him back to Africa, because that's where his body type thrives in the form of 110-pound Ethiopian distance runners.


The odd thing is that 110 pound Ethiopian distance runners get a decent amount of animal protein because they run their prey into exhaustion.

Millennium: Raw beef is raw food, but it doesn't play well with the human digestive and immune systems. Trying to apply that to dogs is just plain psychotic, though: canines are well-adapted for eating raw meat.


That's only because of parasites and the fact that most of our 'fresh' beef is actually weeks old.  There was a study where a man existed solely on raw meats for several years.  He was quite healthy at the end of it.  Please note that this applies to raw MEAT, not specifically raw beef, which the Inuit didn't have.
 
2013-07-02 01:22:49 PM

ajax6677: Not sure why she gets flack for the video about chewing up food for her baby. I've done that several times when we have gone out to eat. It's so much easier to just share food off your plate. We like to make sure he gets enough protien but he doesn't have enough teeth to chew the steak on his own yet.
Was the video that weird, cuz it just seems like a normal mom-thing to me?


Um, I'll admit that it is relatively normal in the way you're suggesting.  Birds do it!  I certainly wouldn't stop people from doing it in public.  (Or from breastfeeding, either.  Babies gotta eat and that's what mammaries are for.)

On the other hand, sharing chewed food does look farking disgusting.
 
2013-07-02 01:23:11 PM

Nana's Vibrator: I sort of understand the concept and the spirit of vegans, but why work around the natural process of breast feeding if you don't HAVE to?  Human bodies evolved over many tens of thousands of years to do something that amazing.  What these vegans are doing is unnatural and potentially harmful.  And really, if you're that much of a disciplined vegan trying to live a certain way, probably the most natural and vegan thing you can do is to just let that little meat-needing sucker die.


Or you could RTFA and find out that vegans are a-ok with breastfeeding, since the mother is capable of consenting to give her milk to her child.
 
2013-07-02 01:23:43 PM

I want your skull: Alicia Silverstone feeding her kid.


She's a cute woman, but that passing food from mouth to mouth grosses me out.
 
2013-07-02 01:23:59 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: give me doughnuts: Vitamin B-12, vitamin-A, vitamin-D, zinc, calcium. Without some sort of supplements, a vegan diet doesn't supply enough for a growing baby/child.

There's no certainly no lack of A, D, zinc or calcium in a decent vegan diet. Vegans eats plants, remember? B-12 is likely to be supplemented, but it's easy to get in fortified foods and it's recommended widely, not just for vegans.


Right. And popping pills is oh so natural.
Fortified sounds a heck of alot like processed too.

I'll just have a cheese burger, or some fresh crab. Sounds a bit better than a pill fortified tofu chunk.
 
2013-07-02 01:24:31 PM

machoprogrammer: theMagni: nocturnal001: y bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

My dog eats meat.  I don't.  I'm not an animal.  I can make choices that a dog can't.


Magorn: Attention Vegan Women: producing breat milk is one of the basic functions of a female human body. when a woman's body stops producing enough of it, it is a clear sign something is VERY VERY wrong. Usually only happens when the woman is STARVING to death.

Some women just don't make milk.  It doesn't matter what their diet is.  My ex produced plenty.  One of her friends (on an omnivore diet) couldn't make a drop, even with the industrial pump they have at the hospital.


Brittabot: But you CANNOT do that shiat to your kids! Children cannot thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian? Probably ok, but not vegan. They simply will not get the nutrients they need to develop properly physically or mentally.

What nutrients would they be missing?  My kids have been in the 99th percentile for mental and physical development since they were born.  Based on what you're posting, my nine-year-old can read better than you.

Iron, vitamin b12, zinc, among many others

Vegetarian is fine, but vegan lacks many nutrients


I'm not vegan, but my garden calls bullshiat on your Iron and zinc deficiency claims.
 
2013-07-02 01:25:15 PM

ajax6677: Not sure why she gets flack for the video about chewing up food for her baby. I've done that several times when we have gone out to eat. It's so much easier to just share food off your plate. We like to make sure he gets enough protien but he doesn't have enough teeth to chew the steak on his own yet.
Was the video that weird, cuz it just seems like a normal mom-thing to me?


Thank you!  All that outrage over that video, and I was thinking "Errr...I've done that..."  We are out and about A LOT, and it's easier to just bite grapes in half, chew up pieces of meat, bite off pieces of my sandwich.  Both of my kids got teeth really late - the little one is fifteen months and only has her front four incisors.  But she's been eating only "real" food since she was 8 months (she HATES purees).  SOMEBODY has to bite it up for her!
 
2013-07-02 01:25:45 PM

PsiChick: Nana's Vibrator: I sort of understand the concept and the spirit of vegans, but why work around the natural process of breast feeding if you don't HAVE to?  Human bodies evolved over many tens of thousands of years to do something that amazing.  What these vegans are doing is unnatural and potentially harmful.  And really, if you're that much of a disciplined vegan trying to live a certain way, probably the most natural and vegan thing you can do is to just let that little meat-needing sucker die.

Or you could RTFA and find out that vegans are a-ok with breastfeeding, since the mother is capable of consenting to give her milk to her child.


Is it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?
 
2013-07-02 01:25:46 PM

flondrix: borg: It's vegan if it's your own being used to feed your child(ren).

Since the whole point of this co-op is to feed OTHERS children (or to feed your own children another mammal's breast milk), it is not vegan.


You know, you're on the Internet. It wouldn't be very hard to look up the definition of veganism instead of making random assumptions. Vegans don't harm others without necessity. A mother giving her milk to another isn't causing harm.
 
2013-07-02 01:25:51 PM

factoryconnection: tuna fingers: Here's a factoid for you. The great U S of A ranks 34th in the world regarding infant mortality rate.
Cuba does a better job with delivering babies. Very few countries dope up mom/baby like we do, and no other country has C-sections like we do.

Our hospitals are exceedingly poor at supporting women in labor without resorting to drugs.  They push the "lie on the bed on your back" position, the MOST PAINFUL position possible and least supportive for the baby coming out.  They impose artificial time tables.  They create nightmare-scenario warnings about "baby is too big based on the ultrasound" that has a quite-large error band.  They're slaves to due dates, even though they're educated guesses.  They impose needless restrictions on food and drink, so that the mother becomes completely exhausted just due to the tiny chance that she's rushed into surgery, while unconscious, and vomits but noone in the surgical suite notices and she aspirates.  They share nothing about body positioning or sacral pressure to relieve back labor, to adjust baby's position, or to help labor progress.  None of this is hippy-dippy, spirit-crystal nonsense... it mostly comes down to biomechanics.

They do push pitocin, which raises the need for an epidural, which raises the need for surgery.  That's what they do, because their specialties are crisis management, and unfortunately they end up creating crises.  We pay a lot more for all these interventions and they do provide worse outcomes.


My OB/GYN refused to discuss inducing until I was at least one week overdue despite the fact we knew I was carrying an at least 9 lb baby, in his words "Plenty of women can deliver large babies, lets let nature take its course". Once I FINALLY went into labor (4 days post-due), the hospital, nurses and doctor did all they could to avoid surgery, pushing fluids and walking (though honestly I didn't want to walk), sitting on a ball, ect even though I had a mild fever and my wonderful son, who had previously been head down had moved to being sorta...off center, before finally laying out my options of continuing with a labor that was clearly going nowhere or c-section. They left the choice completely up to me. I elected to get him the hell out.

A hundred years ago I would have been one of those women who died in childbirth. Yaaaay modern medicine!

/10 lbs 4 oz
//14 inch round head
///husband is happy it was was a c-section

That said, agreed with all who said if being vegan is keeping you from naturally producing something your body should, maybe you need to reevaluate.
 
2013-07-02 01:26:55 PM

flondrix: nocturnal001: My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs?  Do they feed them soyfood?

In the early days of Usenet, someone described a vegan neighbor who would adopt a cat every so often, only to eventually lose them to a mysterious illness.  :-(


There is vegan cat food, and even they admit (some) cats need meat.

I mean, all cats need meat.  They're obligate carnivores for goodness sake

Sadly, when has science actually gotten in the way of ideology?
 
2013-07-02 01:28:35 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: nocturnal001: Smeggy Smurf: Bathia_Mapes: Just for the record, vegans do not object to breastfeeding.

Blatent hipocracy.

Ehh, not sure about that one.

Isn't the whole Vegan thing about not imposing harm to other animals? Breastfeeding your own baby is voluntary, milking a cow isn't really voluntary.

My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs?  Do they feed them soyfood?

Had an acquaintance many moons ago that was a "Raw Foodist"... whatever the fark that is. He had two Dobermans that he fed oranges and avocados and shiat. Asshole. The dogs were always way too skinny and pretty listless.

/We snuck them cans of Alpo or Pedigree at every opportunity.


I hate these people. Want to be a vegan when you can make informed choices for yourself? Great! Do what you want. But the pets? Most likely indoor pets that won't have the opportunity to hunt? That's where I draw the line. Your pets were designed over X number of years to eat meat. They don't think about it the way some humans do. IT'S JUST WHAT THEY DO. Denying this is in my mind a form of animal cruelty.

/my little pooch is roughly 25lbs. but in one day he'd eat his weight in meat if I gave it to him
//always tosses some of whatever protein I'm cooking...dude needs meat
 
2013-07-02 01:29:02 PM

ajax6677: Not sure why she gets flack for the video about chewing up food for her baby. I've done that several times when we have gone out to eat. It's so much easier to just share food off your plate. We like to make sure he gets enough protien but he doesn't have enough teeth to chew the steak on his own yet.
Was the video that weird, cuz it just seems like a normal mom-thing to me?


So you chew the food in your mouth, and then bend over your child, and pass the food from your mouth to your child's mouth?
 
2013-07-02 01:31:26 PM

Wangiss: machoprogrammer: theMagni: nocturnal001: y bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

My dog eats meat.  I don't.  I'm not an animal.  I can make choices that a dog can't.


Magorn: Attention Vegan Women: producing breat milk is one of the basic functions of a female human body. when a woman's body stops producing enough of it, it is a clear sign something is VERY VERY wrong. Usually only happens when the woman is STARVING to death.

Some women just don't make milk.  It doesn't matter what their diet is.  My ex produced plenty.  One of her friends (on an omnivore diet) couldn't make a drop, even with the industrial pump they have at the hospital.


Brittabot: But you CANNOT do that shiat to your kids! Children cannot thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian? Probably ok, but not vegan. They simply will not get the nutrients they need to develop properly physically or mentally.

What nutrients would they be missing?  My kids have been in the 99th percentile for mental and physical development since they were born.  Based on what you're posting, my nine-year-old can read better than you.

Iron, vitamin b12, zinc, among many others

Vegetarian is fine, but vegan lacks many nutrients

I'm not vegan, but my garden calls bullshiat on your Iron and zinc deficiency claims.



You growing a lot of oysters and liver in that garden?
 
2013-07-02 01:31:50 PM

I_Am_Weasel: gopher321: Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style since the birth of her son, Bear Blu

*facepalm*

Scoff all you want, but he's already on his way to being a spokesperson.

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Unless he's homeschooled, in about 15-20 years you're gonna hear "Bear Blu commits suicide." I mean c'mon.... who names their kid Bear Blu? This is a child not a teddy bear...

/wanna produce more milk? Eat meat.
//Vegan, native word for "bad hunter."
 
2013-07-02 01:32:26 PM

meat0918: Vegan is not a natural state of affairs for human beings, and is a lifestyle made possible only by modern means.


"Natural". A generally meaningless word, and a fallacy pretty much any time you make it into an argument. And using modern means or not, it is possible. So what?
 
2013-07-02 01:32:30 PM
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2013-07-02 01:34:11 PM

legion_of_doo: ajax6677: Not sure why she gets flack for the video about chewing up food for her baby. I've done that several times when we have gone out to eat. It's so much easier to just share food off your plate. We like to make sure he gets enough protien but he doesn't have enough teeth to chew the steak on his own yet.
Was the video that weird, cuz it just seems like a normal mom-thing to me?

So you chew the food in your mouth, and then bend over your child, and pass the food from your mouth to your child's mouth?


Only when they're eating in restaurants.  It would be weird to do it at home.
 
2013-07-02 01:34:42 PM
I really, really do not understand the hardcore vegetarians/vegans. Maybe meats and dairy aren't the best things to eat but they're not poison; you can eat them and survive.

I also don't get parents who force their kids to be vegan as every vegan kid I have heard about sounded like he was malnourished.
 
2013-07-02 01:34:53 PM

Nabb1: Mikey1969: I'm fine with this except...

If you aren't able to produce enough milk to breast feed your kids, maybe being vegan isn't all that "natural" or "healthy"? Think about it for awhile, people.

Even many non-vegan mothers have milk-production issues, so it's not alway diet. But if your lifestyle leaves you unable to supplement low milk supply with formula, then you are making poor choices for your child.


If your lifestyle leaves you unable to have a proper milk supply (barring a genetic issue) you may want to look into it. If you can change it, you should. (Sometimes you can't.)

Not being able to produce enough milk for your kiddo should be a red flag. You likely have something going on that's not a good thing to leave going long term.
 
2013-07-02 01:35:15 PM

factoryconnection: CliChe Guevara: Cool. Now can you give us some more helpful rationalizations to help us work around why we are squarely in the middle of the third world for most of our other inconvenient benchmarks?

Yeah, counting statistics aside, I'd really like to see our massive expenditures, technology and know-how, tempered with many of our young, poor women (i.e. those that have the babies) having low access to that care put us, say top ten?

I mean, hell it would be great if our massive expenditures, tech, and knowledge put us first, but we can't go funding reproductive health concerns for people!


In New Orleans, our primary problem is not the lack of available pre-natal care for poor and low-income women as much as it is the fact that those services are under-used, and many women show up to the hospital in labor with no pre-natal care.  We have major teaching hospitals that staff these clinics and they go largely unused. Someone needs to figure out why these women aren't going and get them there.
 
2013-07-02 01:35:28 PM

Wangiss: Yeah, all the time. My sister in law had three children at home within the last decade, completely unassisted. I'm sure millions if not billions of babies have been born healthy that way. Taxi cab babies, cave babies, war babies, shame babies... women tend to assist if they can, but some women have no friends or family.


Yes, billions of babies have been born without CNMs, and of course there are the unplanned, unassisted ones, too.  They do say that babies born in elevators, taxis, et cetera have remarkably good outcomes.

I just didn't know if women in our country plan unassisted home births.  I've seen enough hemorrhaging to know that it is really, really helpful to have a medical practitioner on hand for even an uneventful birth, but that's just me.  And we're done at three anyhow.

I am Mayhem: A hundred years ago I would have been one of those women who died in childbirth. Yaaaay modern medicine!


Indeed; that's where modern medicine shines.  Your experience is atypical, however.

Also, my wife had a 99%-head child vaginally and her husband hasn't had any complaints about it since.
 
2013-07-02 01:35:59 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: PsiChick: Nana's Vibrator: I sort of understand the concept and the spirit of vegans, but why work around the natural process of breast feeding if you don't HAVE to?  Human bodies evolved over many tens of thousands of years to do something that amazing.  What these vegans are doing is unnatural and potentially harmful.  And really, if you're that much of a disciplined vegan trying to live a certain way, probably the most natural and vegan thing you can do is to just let that little meat-needing sucker die.

Or you could RTFA and find out that vegans are a-ok with breastfeeding, since the mother is capable of consenting to give her milk to her child.

Is it okay for vegans to eat animals that died of natural causes?


Fark if I know, I'm not a vegan.
 
2013-07-02 01:36:02 PM

gregario: so, do Vegans swallow when giving BJ's?


tthey dont eat cream or meat so no
 
2013-07-02 01:37:03 PM

legion_of_doo: ajax6677: Not sure why she gets flack for the video about chewing up food for her baby. I've done that several times when we have gone out to eat. It's so much easier to just share food off your plate. We like to make sure he gets enough protien but he doesn't have enough teeth to chew the steak on his own yet.
Was the video that weird, cuz it just seems like a normal mom-thing to me?

So you chew the food in your mouth, and then bend over your child, and pass the food from your mouth to your child's mouth?


Is that what she did in the video? That is weird for sure. I bite off pieces, chew up some of the tougher stuff, and take it out of my mouth first before feeding him with my fingers.
He is 17 months now so we aren't doing that as often but he's still going strong with the breastfeeding. :)
 
2013-07-02 01:38:54 PM

PsyLord: FTA: The idea, she explained, stemmed from an email she received from a friend and new mom, who said she simply wasn't producing enough milk and couldn't trust that those offering donor milk shared the strict vegan diet.

How would her site screen for those donating milk to be strict vegans?


Im gonna go find some whore, knock her up, and feed her on a steady diet of bill millers bbq and mexican food JUST so I can send this dumb biatch some "vegan" milk.
 
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