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(Yahoo)   If you're a vegan mother who isn't producing enough milk to breast feed, you might consider: a) altering your diet b) switching to formula or c) using other mothers' milk. Wait a minute - trick question. Breast milk isn't vegan   (omg.yahoo.com) divider line 441
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2013-07-02 11:50:01 AM
Didn't she have a mastectomy or am I thinking of someone else?
 
2013-07-02 11:50:02 AM

Nana's Vibrator: MagicBoris:

That is not actually true. For instance, I know of a few kids who had a bovine protein allergy when they were very young (it tends to go away before the kid turns two, often earlier), and their mothers can't eat anything that has a trace of beef or milk as long as they're breastfeeding.

This - but you still have to admit it is a small percentage, and in that case it's very important that the mother pays strict attention to her diet.  In the vegan case, sadly, the mother is withholding important nutrition from their children for the sake of a made up principle - on a smaller scale but not unlike belonging to a religion that won't allow you to take a sick child to a doctor for a fatal but treatable disease.


THIS, bolded for emphasis.  What you're doing is harming your child's health, for your own self reasons.
 
2013-07-02 11:50:13 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: If your diet is causing your inability to properly feed your baby... maybe there's another, simpler solution.


Came here to say this.

It would be like me trying to find a cure for scurvy that didn't involve vitamin C.
 
2013-07-02 11:50:24 AM

gopher321: Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style since the birth of her son, Bear Blu

*facepalm*


Bears, "blu" or not, are hardly vegans.

Cognitive dissonance, biatch, do you perceive it?
 
2013-07-02 11:50:30 AM

jshine: borg: It's vegan if it's your own being used to feed your child(ren).

How so?  Milk is obviously an animal product.  This just happens to be milk from a species of large, hairless ape rather than from a cow.


Vegan wymin aren't particularly known for being "hairless".
 
2013-07-02 11:50:40 AM

Lexx: Nana's Vibrator: MagicBoris:

That is not actually true. For instance, I know of a few kids who had a bovine protein allergy when they were very young (it tends to go away before the kid turns two, often earlier), and their mothers can't eat anything that has a trace of beef or milk as long as they're breastfeeding.

This - but you still have to admit it is a small percentage, and in that case it's very important that the mother pays strict attention to her diet.  In the vegan case, sadly, the mother is withholding important nutrition from their children for the sake of a made up principle - on a smaller scale but not unlike belonging to a religion that won't allow you to take a sick child to a doctor for a fatal but treatable disease.

THIS, bolded for emphasis.  What you're doing is harming your child's health, for your own selfish reasons.


typo!
 
2013-07-02 11:51:31 AM

abhorrent1: Didn't she have a mastectomy or am I thinking of someone else?


Christina Applegate.
 
2013-07-02 11:52:01 AM

likefunbutnot: One of my cousins is raising her three kids on a life-long vegan diet. The oldest is 12 and he's physically smaller than seven and eight year old kids from other relatives.


Might as well ship him back to Africa, because that's where his body type thrives in the form of 110-pound Ethiopian distance runners.
 
2013-07-02 11:52:09 AM
My daughter spent 2 weeks in the hospital after being born.  Whatever the doctors said, we agreed with, because they were the best at what they do and obviously smarter than us when it came to the situation.

I could not fathom what kind of garbage these docs have to go through with crunchy granola parents who want to do "natural" things with their kid.  UGH.
 
2013-07-02 11:53:04 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Can you imagine how horrible it would be to have a conversation with this woman?


I would be too busy eating a bacon double cheeseburger to listen, anyways
 
2013-07-02 11:53:20 AM

YixilTesiphon: Pray 4 Mojo: nocturnal001: Smeggy Smurf: Bathia_Mapes: Just for the record, vegans do not object to breastfeeding.

Blatent hipocracy.

Ehh, not sure about that one.

Isn't the whole Vegan thing about not imposing harm to other animals? Breastfeeding your own baby is voluntary, milking a cow isn't really voluntary.

My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?

Had an acquaintance many moons ago that was a "Raw Foodist"... whatever the fark that is. He had two Dobermans that he fed oranges and avocados and shiat. Asshole. The dogs were always way too skinny and pretty listless.

/We snuck them cans of Alpo or Pedigree at every opportunity.

Beef isn't raw food?


Raw beef is raw food, but it doesn't play well with the human digestive and immune systems. Trying to apply that to dogs is just plain psychotic, though: canines are well-adapted for eating raw meat.
 
2013-07-02 11:53:24 AM

LordBeavis: theorellior: gopher321: Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style since the birth of her son, Bear Blu

I have an acquaintance who named her son "Bear". I don't quite get the logic, but whatevs. So far I've resisted the urge to say things like, "Feeling cranky and fussy? Better drink my own piss!"

The name "Bear" is fine and dandy in the ghey community.  Let's hope the kid doesn't turn out to be a twink, though, or it could get confusing.


A.W.
/Gave my kids names AND instructions: "You don't like your name? That's the worst thing I've ever done to you? Well, first of all, that makes me the greatest mother the planet has ever known. Second, the minute you turn 18 you can change it, so go ahead. It's just a name"
 
2013-07-02 11:54:11 AM

PsyLord: FTA: The idea, she explained, stemmed from an email she received from a friend and new mom, who said she simply wasn't producing enough milk and couldn't trust that those offering donor milk shared the strict vegan diet.

How would her site screen for those donating milk to be strict vegans?


Maybe she checks the "Ex-vegan Traitors" website to see if they've been excommunicated.
 
2013-07-02 11:54:27 AM
Isn't all milk "breast milk"?
 
2013-07-02 11:54:42 AM
Praise the vegans for leaving more real food for real people.


madmikesamerica.com

www.bbq-pirates-va.com
 
2013-07-02 11:54:58 AM
The donor milk is almost certainly not from a strict vegan. We've already established they can't produce enough even for their own young.
Face it, you are a broken specimen due to your own decisions.
 
2013-07-02 11:54:58 AM
f1.pepst.com
When you say I can't have a hamburger, what do you really mean?
www.naderlibrary.com

/people always have to be difficult
//kids are starving right now
 
2013-07-02 11:55:09 AM

fanbladesaresharp: Oldiron_79: Pocket Ninja: Using another woman's breast milk to feed your baby? This has never been done in the history of ever. We're breaking new ground here, people.

Guess people never heard of nursemaids back before formula was invented.

Except that Alicia is slapping a new label on a dog and pony show that's probably been around since we started walking upright and calling it "new and improved". I just see it as an amusingly vapid solution to a non problem....wait.....I mean an entirely invented lifestyle.


It'll be interesting to see the first disease vector lawsuit.

nocturnal001: My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs? Do they feed them soyfood?


One of my favorite gags on Futurama was the Vegan Lion.
 
2013-07-02 11:55:09 AM

legion_of_doo: abhorrent1: Didn't she have a mastectomy or am I thinking of someone else?

Christina Applegate.


Ah that's the one.
 
2013-07-02 11:55:55 AM

MattyFridays: My daughter spent 2 weeks in the hospital after being born.  Whatever the doctors said, we agreed with, because they were the best at what they do and obviously smarter than us when it came to the situation.

I could not fathom what kind of garbage these docs have to go through with crunchy granola parents who want to do "natural" things with their kid.  UGH.


You've got Vegans, immunization conspiracists, all sorts of highly educated wackos here.

Pediatrics can be a hard specialty as it is, but I could not imagine being a doc here in the Bay Area. It's like nutter central, and so many think they're better/smarter than you.

It's a blessing when you find normal parents.
 
2013-07-02 11:56:26 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Isn't all milk "breast milk"?


Udderly preposterous!

/I don't know
 
2013-07-02 11:57:12 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: nocturnal001: Smeggy Smurf: Bathia_Mapes: Just for the record, vegans do not object to breastfeeding.

Blatent hipocracy.

Ehh, not sure about that one.

Isn't the whole Vegan thing about not imposing harm to other animals? Breastfeeding your own baby is voluntary, milking a cow isn't really voluntary.

My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs?  Do they feed them soyfood?

Had an acquaintance many moons ago that was a "Raw Foodist"... whatever the fark that is. He had two Dobermans that he fed oranges and avocados and shiat. Asshole. The dogs were always way too skinny and pretty listless.

/We snuck them cans of Alpo or Pedigree at every opportunity.


Wow, I was thinking of switching my cat over to raw food for the nutrition, but something more along the lines of meats, not the ingredients for my salad.
 
2013-07-02 11:57:18 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Bathia_Mapes: Just for the record, vegans do not object to breastfeeding.

Blatent hipocracy.


Breasts have nothing to do with hips
 
2013-07-02 11:58:10 AM
Being vegan is so natural and healthy it interferes with your body's natural healthy processes.

Also...

"Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style"

I see my SOP regarding religious zealots applies here. As soon as they mention their religion just turn and walk away.
 
2013-07-02 11:58:16 AM

MattyFridays: My daughter spent 2 weeks in the hospital after being born.  Whatever the doctors said, we agreed with, because they were the best at what they do and obviously smarter than us when it came to the situation.


I do not agree with this sentiment at all.  Doctors and hospitals have their own agendas that may not coincide with the patient's needs.  For instance, did you try to have a natural (drug-free) birth?

We have a 1 year old, and every couple in our Bradley class that delivered in a hospital did not get the desired drug-free birth.  Zero for nine.

We had a home birth to avoid that.
 
2013-07-02 11:58:34 AM

legion_of_doo: You've got Vegans, immunization conspiracists, all sorts of highly educated wackos here.


We're expecting in November and the thing I am most worried about is immunization nutters transmitting disease to my child. SCIENCE IS REAL. Damn.

Luckily I don't think there are too many of those in Pennsylvania, but still.
 
2013-07-02 11:58:47 AM
nocturnal001:
My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs?  Do they feed them soyfood?

I knew some college kids that tried to raise a vegan cat.  Yeah, it died before we could convince them that cats are CARNIVORES.
 
2013-07-02 11:59:34 AM
www.aceshowbiz.com

Breast milk's not vegan?
 
2013-07-02 11:59:50 AM

CatfoodSpork: nocturnal001:
My bigger question is how many Vegans have cats or dogs?  Do they feed them soyfood?

I knew some college kids that tried to raise a vegan cat.  Yeah, it died before we could convince them that cats are CARNIVORES.


Ugh. That's basically immurement.
 
2013-07-02 11:59:52 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Wow, I was thinking of switching my cat over to raw food for the nutrition, but something more along the lines of meats, not the ingredients for my salad.


If you feed your cats raw meat, make sure you include taurine, vitamin E, and B vitamins supplements. Most muscle meat doesn't have enough of those in it to give them full nutrition.
 
2013-07-02 12:00:01 PM

mama2tnt: LordBeavis: theorellior: gopher321: Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style since the birth of her son, Bear Blu

I have an acquaintance who named her son "Bear". I don't quite get the logic, but whatevs. So far I've resisted the urge to say things like, "Feeling cranky and fussy? Better drink my own piss!"

The name "Bear" is fine and dandy in the ghey community.  Let's hope the kid doesn't turn out to be a twink, though, or it could get confusing.

A.W.
/Gave my kids names AND instructions: "You don't like your name? That's the worst thing I've ever done to you? Well, first of all, that makes me the greatest mother the planet has ever known. Second, the minute you turn 18 you can change it, so go ahead. It's just a name"


In many places you can change your name before you turn 18, though the rules are someone different and I think parental approval is required.  The rules vary from state to state within the USA, and I have no idea how it works outside the USA.  But assuming your child expresses a real desire to change her name before she turns 18, you might want to look into it.
 
2013-07-02 12:00:05 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Just for the record, vegans do not object to breastfeeding.


way to stick to your convictions.
 
2013-07-02 12:00:28 PM

YixilTesiphon: legion_of_doo: You've got Vegans, immunization conspiracists, all sorts of highly educated wackos here.

We're expecting in November and the thing I am most worried about is immunization nutters transmitting disease to my child. SCIENCE IS REAL. Damn.

Luckily I don't think there are too many of those in Pennsylvania, but still.


Can't you not attend school without immunization records? Isn't that part of the enrollment process?
 
2013-07-02 12:00:45 PM

stuffy: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 190x265]
Sorry I prefer my Breast milk strait from the tap.


Holy shiat!  Who is she and where can I get more?!
 
2013-07-02 12:00:52 PM
This chick is clueless.
 
2013-07-02 12:01:45 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Isn't all milk "breast milk"?


No.  Cows don't have breasts, therefore milk from cows cannot be breast milk.  Only primates have breasts.
 
2013-07-02 12:01:46 PM
Any time an article mentions Miam Bialik's parenting it should also mention that her marriage collapsed. There is no reason why you should have a 4yr old in bed every night nursing when you have a perfectly fine husband willing to do the same.
 
2013-07-02 12:02:01 PM
I have no interest in how an adult chooses to live and eat for themselves, but if your lifestyle prohibits you from providing your child with sufficient nourishment, that is nature's way of telling you that you are unfit as a parent.
 
2013-07-02 12:02:41 PM

jshine: borg: It's vegan if it's your own being used to feed your child(ren).

How so?  Milk is obviously an animal product.  This just happens to be milk from a species of large, hairless ape rather than from a cow.


Could be a cow. Send photo for analysis. I'm sure there are plenty here who could, and would offer their unbiased opinion.
 
2013-07-02 12:02:52 PM

the money is in the banana stand: YixilTesiphon: legion_of_doo: You've got Vegans, immunization conspiracists, all sorts of highly educated wackos here.

We're expecting in November and the thing I am most worried about is immunization nutters transmitting disease to my child. SCIENCE IS REAL. Damn.

Luckily I don't think there are too many of those in Pennsylvania, but still.

Can't you not attend school without immunization records? Isn't that part of the enrollment process?


My understanding is that schools aren't very good about enforcing that. (No idea, this will be my first.) My concern is that some dumbass's baby will get a disease from their older sibling while my baby hasn't been vaccinated yet (since they can't handle all vaccinations immediately), and then the daycare will get infected.
 
2013-07-02 12:02:56 PM
I'm fine with this except...

If you aren't able to produce enough milk to breast feed your kids, maybe being vegan isn't all that "natural" or "healthy"? Think about it for awhile, people.
 
2013-07-02 12:03:29 PM

the money is in the banana stand: YixilTesiphon: legion_of_doo: You've got Vegans, immunization conspiracists, all sorts of highly educated wackos here.

We're expecting in November and the thing I am most worried about is immunization nutters transmitting disease to my child. SCIENCE IS REAL. Damn.

Luckily I don't think there are too many of those in Pennsylvania, but still.

Can't you not attend school without immunization records? Isn't that part of the enrollment process?


Usually. But very few states stick to it completely (with the exception of medical exemptions). Most states, unfortunately, cave to the nutters with their religious and Jenny McCarthy objections.
 
2013-07-02 12:03:53 PM

YixilTesiphon: Had an acquaintance many moons ago that was a "Raw Foodist"... whatever the fark that is. He had two Dobermans that he fed oranges and avocados and shiat. Asshole. The dogs were always way too skinny and pretty listless.

/We snuck them cans of Alpo or Pedigree at every opportunity.

Beef isn't raw food?


Don't ask me... I mean... yes... I know raw beef is raw food... but that's not what this dumbfark fed his dogs. I don't know the rules of "Raw Foodism"... and frankly... I don't care to learn.
 
2013-07-02 12:03:55 PM

PsyLord: FTA: The idea, she explained, stemmed from an email she received from a friend and new mom, who said she simply wasn't producing enough milk and couldn't trust that those offering donor milk shared the strict vegan diet.

How would her site screen for those donating milk to be strict vegans?


1."Does your breath smell like cum and chicory?"
Y/N
2. "Do you swear, cross your heart and hope to die, eat a big burrito pie, that you don't eat animal products?"
 
2013-07-02 12:04:11 PM
Affluent, First World, Post-industrial, Too-Much-Time-On-Their-Hands People problem.
 
2013-07-02 12:04:19 PM

Mrbogey: The My Little Pony Killer: Wow, I was thinking of switching my cat over to raw food for the nutrition, but something more along the lines of meats, not the ingredients for my salad.

If you feed your cats raw meat, make sure you include taurine, vitamin E, and B vitamins supplements. Most muscle meat doesn't have enough of those in it to give them full nutrition.


You bet your butt I'll be working closely with her vet and with people who have successfully raised animals on that diet if I do take her that route.
 
2013-07-02 12:04:58 PM

tuna fingers: MattyFridays: My daughter spent 2 weeks in the hospital after being born.  Whatever the doctors said, we agreed with, because they were the best at what they do and obviously smarter than us when it came to the situation.

I do not agree with this sentiment at all.  Doctors and hospitals have their own agendas that may not coincide with the patient's needs.  For instance, did you try to have a natural (drug-free) birth?

We have a 1 year old, and every couple in our Bradley class that delivered in a hospital did not get the desired drug-free birth.  Zero for nine.

We had a home birth to avoid that.


You know what? We were all ra ra drug free, and then the first labor was HARD. Hard on he baby, hard on my wife, to the point where it was about to go c-section because both were exhausted. When you can see it on the fetal heart monitor due to the complications, it kind of matters to you.

The drugs helped a shiat ton at that point.

Yeah, it would be nice if the babby didn't get drugged out too, but modern medicine is a good thing.

I'm not saying everyone should be 100% pro-drug for delivery, but people also shouldn't rule it out. There's a reason why fewer mothers & children die during childbirth today than in years gone by.

/second child was so fast, he came out before the drug question even came up
 
2013-07-02 12:05:27 PM

theorellior: gopher321: Silverstone has been rather vocal about her unique parenting style since the birth of her son, Bear Blu

I have an acquaintance who named her son "Bear". I don't quite get the logic, but whatevs. So far I've resisted the urge to say things like, "Feeling cranky and fussy? Better drink my own piss!"


Reminds me of a punchline for a joke.  I forget the full flow of the joke narrative but it essentially had to do with Indian women competing to have the strongest son with the chief by conceiving on rugs made of animal hides.  Bear was the best because, "The son of the squa on the one hide is equal to the sons of the squas on the other two hides."
 
2013-07-02 12:06:11 PM

Mikey1969: I'm fine with this except...

If you aren't able to produce enough milk to breast feed your kids, maybe being vegan isn't all that "natural" or "healthy"? Think about it for awhile, people.


Even many non-vegan mothers have milk-production issues, so it's not alway diet. But if your lifestyle leaves you unable to supplement low milk supply with formula, then you are making poor choices for your child.
 
2013-07-02 12:06:33 PM

MagicBoris: factoryconnection: "I care enough about my baby to breastfeed it and seek out extra milk when I can't produce, but not so much that I'll accept any from someone that might have eaten some cheese in the last decade."

Is this to make sure that the kids don't get any veterinary antibiotics or hormones?  Because the proteins and fats in breastmilk are generated from broken-down food nutrients in the mom's body... there isn't any "cow" left in the milk.

I guess this makes it 100% clear that her kids are raised vegan as well.  Hmmm...

That is not actually true. For instance, I know of a few kids who had a bovine protein allergy when they were very young (it tends to go away before the kid turns two, often earlier), and their mothers can't eat anything that has a trace of beef or milk as long as they're breastfeeding.


My son had a dairy milk allergy.  While she was breastfeeding she had to avoid any cow milk. Goat milk and beef meat was fine.

The FA is still odd though.  Many women do not make enough breastmilk, you just supplement with formula. No need to get other titties involved.
 
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