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2013-07-02 12:09:50 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.


I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story.  I'll have to watch it again.
 
2013-07-02 12:11:29 PM  

browntimmy: So...because a movie is told in a similar fashion as another movie you like, you're saying that makes it likely to be of similar quality? Despite it being made by completely different people in a completely different era in a completely different genre?


Imagine that, a premise for telling a story that I rather enjoy the shake up being introduced into another product, why there is no way that could ever convince me to at least give this new one a shot.
 
2013-07-02 12:12:40 PM  

strangeguitar: I think The Ninth Gate is his best film.


LOL
 
2013-07-02 12:14:17 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Hebalo: This seems over simplified. If anything, Big Trouble is the story of a man who THINKS he's hero, while his 'sidekick' does most of the asskicking.

Having said that, it's certainly not told from the sidekick's POV.

Watch the DVD commentary and listen to the directors own words on the matter, it only appears like you think it does because the studio forced his hand to play up Burton's character. There was a lot of film left on the floor that played it very differently.


I'm going to have to agree with Hebalo, you claimed it was like Big Trouble, not like what Carpenter intended Big Trouble to be.  I didn't think I had missed that angle of the movie since I've seen it about a half dozen times.
 
2013-07-02 12:16:15 PM  

steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.


Francis: Lighten up
 
2013-07-02 12:17:21 PM  
serpent_sky:

...Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian?

No, you're getting him confused with Elizabeth Warren (MA Senator).
 
2013-07-02 12:19:29 PM  
manimal2878: Wasn't World War Z suffering a pretty low score before it actually came out and more people saw it?  It's hovering at a near %70 rating rate now.

I don't think so. There was just a lot of bad buzz after the trailer came out that showed it wasn't going to be anything like the book and had weird CGI zombies, and because they had production problems and needed to refilm things (usually a bad sign). From what I've seen, typically scores are higher pre-release.
 
2013-07-02 12:21:55 PM  

FlashHarry: strangeguitar: I think The Ninth Gate is his best film.

LOL


Ima let both of you finish, but The Astronaut's Wife was the greatest Depp film of all-time. Of. All. Time.
 
2013-07-02 12:21:59 PM  

internut scholar: One thing is for certain. If you need someone in a weird costume, you get Johnny Depp


What was Johnny's last "standard-issue, contemporary white guy" role?   The Tourist?
 
2013-07-02 12:23:32 PM  

browntimmy: I don't think so. There was just a lot of bad buzz after the trailer came out that showed it wasn't going to be anything like the book and had weird CGI zombies, and because they had production problems and needed to refilm things (usually a bad sign). From what I've seen, typically scores are higher pre-release.


It was an ok movie, I wish they had gone with the original ending though. But apparently it didn't test screen well.

manimal2878: I'm going to have to agree with Hebalo, you claimed it was like Big Trouble, not like what Carpenter intended Big Trouble to be. I didn't think I had missed that angle of the movie since I've seen it about a half dozen times.


Meh, I stand by my assessment from what I've read and heard
 
2013-07-02 12:30:04 PM  

manimal2878: IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story.  I'll have to watch it again.


Nah, he didn't.  But the side kick was the real hero/straight man, while Kurt Russell - the guy who's supposed to be the big hero - turns out to be as lucky as he is inept.
 
2013-07-02 12:30:20 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: It was an ok movie, I wish they had gone with the original ending though.


What was the original ending?  I heard they changed it, but not from what.
 
2013-07-02 12:37:21 PM  

manimal2878: IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story.  I'll have to watch it again.


There are scenes where Jack screws up somehow and it's actually Wang that does the real ass kicking in most of the movie.  In one scene, Wang and Jack are confronted by a group of thugs and Jack goes to shoot them, but his gun jams and he runs off camera to clear the jam while Wang lays the beatdown.  When Wang drops the last guy, Jack comes jumping back in with his now ready gun in hand.

Of course, who could forget the start of the "final fight" when Jack yells charge and shoots the ceiling, which collapses and knocks him out for a few minutes.

that being said, there are plenty of other things that Jack does that are heroic, obviously he's the one that ends the big bad guy.

Side kick or not, BTILC is still one of my favorite movies.  Definitely my favorite Kurt Russell movie, and that includes The Thing.
 
2013-07-02 12:40:31 PM  

strangeguitar: I think The Ninth Gate is his best film.


Even if you're being sarcastic, I agree. But Lone Ranger just looks like another chance for Depp to get all made up crazy, then mug and mumble his way to a huge paycheck. No thanks.
 
2013-07-02 12:46:53 PM  

serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?


Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey
 
2013-07-02 12:59:51 PM  
I'm 1/16th native american but I sure as hell don't pretend I'm an Indian. Who does that?
 
2013-07-02 01:07:02 PM  

Confabulat: I'm 1/16th native american but I sure as hell don't pretend I'm an Indian. Who does that?


Actors?
 
2013-07-02 01:07:33 PM  

liam76: Confabulat: I'm 1/16th native american but I sure as hell don't pretend I'm an Indian. Who does that?

Actors?


Douches...but I repeat you.
 
2013-07-02 01:27:43 PM  

liam76: Confabulat: I'm 1/16th native american but I sure as hell don't pretend I'm an Indian. Who does that?

Actors?


Senators from Massachusetts?
 
2013-07-02 01:29:21 PM  
I'm off tomorrow and Thursday so I might just go see it.

/HIOAg
 
2013-07-02 01:32:26 PM  
Rafer Guzman wants his name on a Johnny Depp DVD.

"The Lone Ranger succeeds on all counts"
 
2013-07-02 01:54:29 PM  

manimal2878: What was the original ending? I heard they changed it, but not from what.


After the plane crash Gerry ends up in Russia and is drafted into the Russian Army to fight the hordes. A few shots and then cut to a grizzled Gerry in the middle of a Russian winter where you get to see the lobo axes in action and Gerry realizing that cold is how you fight the hordes. He stumbles on his cell phone stolen from him from when he was drafted and he calls his wife who is alive but is basically in a camp where you have to trade to survive and her with nothing has traded her body for survival to that one soldier at the beginning. That soldier tells Gerry to just live a new life and he has none of it, he ignores his Russian commanders and takes the woman that survived with him from the crash and several other defectors across Siberia and the movie ends with him landing somewhere in Oregon storming the beaches Normandy style..after a final fight we see Gerry with group walking into the forest him stoically on a trek to find his wife.

Depressing ending, but I think more fitting than yay everyone reunited and happy.
 
2013-07-02 02:04:46 PM  
No even a single "Thank you Masked Man."
 
2013-07-02 02:09:10 PM  

A Terrible Human: You could just tell it was going to be shiat with how hard they were playing it up in the media. It's like they don't get that with even all the advertising money and Rolling Stone covers in the world that if your product is shiat people aren't going to pay for it.


They lost me in the very first commercial I saw. A horse jumped on to a moving train's roof, then ran through the train with a rider (the train interior was somehow about 12 feet tall). Explosions, bad CGI, Depp doing a slightly cranky Jack Sparrow voice. It looked horrible.

Sometimes you can judge a book by it's cover.
 
2013-07-02 02:20:11 PM  

Zombie Eater: manimal2878: IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story.  I'll have to watch it again.

Nah, he didn't.  But the side kick was the real hero/straight man, while Kurt Russell - the guy who's supposed to be the big hero - turns out to be as lucky as he is inept.


It's a twist you rarely see, and when you do it's usually a Don Quixote knockoff.

But the old man telling the cops gave Jack some credit.
 
2013-07-02 02:20:33 PM  

serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?


He has claimed that his great-grandmother was either Cherokee or Creek, but there's no evidence of this whatsoever. Oddly enough, Armie Hammer actually does have some verified native ancestry. Ancestry.com did a story on it a week ago, although they tactfully/cravenly did not mention Depp's claims, instead focusing on an interesting but irrelevant ancestor of his who was the first free black woman in America or some such thing. It sorta makes me wonder how much the studio payed them.
 
2013-07-02 02:21:28 PM  
hey subby Isn't it  "Hi Ho Silver Away!" ?   Not "Hi Yo Silve! r?"

/unless he's from the hood and is actually saying "hi" to his horse " Hi,  Yo, Silver!"


/Tell they at least play the WT Overture in the new movie.....please?
 
2013-07-02 02:25:57 PM  

Danger Mouse: hey subby Isn't it  "Hi Ho Silver Away!" ?   Not "Hi Yo Silve! r?"

/unless he's from the hood and is actually saying "hi" to his horse " Hi,  Yo, Silver!"


/Tell they at least play the WT Overture in the new movie.....please?


I read that they did play an extended version of the WT Overture at the end of the movie and when TLR says "Hi Yo Silver, Awaaay", Tonto derisively says "Never say that again".
 
2013-07-02 02:29:01 PM  

steverockson: Danger Mouse: hey subby Isn't it  "Hi Ho Silver Away!" ?   Not "Hi Yo Silve! r?"

/unless he's from the hood and is actually saying "hi" to his horse " Hi,  Yo, Silver!"


/Tell they at least play the WT Overture in the new movie.....please?

I read that they did play an extended version of the WT Overture at the end of the movie and when TLR says "Hi Yo Silver, Awaaay", Tonto derisively says "Never say that again".


hi HO Silver.
 
2013-07-02 02:30:34 PM  

Danger Mouse: steverockson: Danger Mouse: hey subby Isn't it  "Hi Ho Silver Away!" ?   Not "Hi Yo Silve! r?"

/unless he's from the hood and is actually saying "hi" to his horse " Hi,  Yo, Silver!"


/Tell they at least play the WT Overture in the new movie.....please?

I read that they did play an extended version of the WT Overture at the end of the movie and when TLR says "Hi Yo Silver, Awaaay", Tonto derisively says "Never say that again".

hi HO Silver.


Oops. Wiki tells me it was Hi YO silver.

Sorry.
 
2013-07-02 02:30:52 PM  

Danger Mouse: steverockson: Danger Mouse: hey subby Isn't it  "Hi Ho Silver Away!" ?   Not "Hi Yo Silve! r?"

/unless he's from the hood and is actually saying "hi" to his horse " Hi,  Yo, Silver!"


/Tell they at least play the WT Overture in the new movie.....please?

I read that they did play an extended version of the WT Overture at the end of the movie and when TLR says "Hi Yo Silver, Awaaay", Tonto derisively says "Never say that again".

hi HO Silver.


That's where you're wrong.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032590/.
 
2013-07-02 02:31:25 PM  

GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey


It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!
 
2013-07-02 02:35:56 PM  

LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!


According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.
 
2013-07-02 02:44:14 PM  

steverockson: LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.


But, as far as society goes...I'm white.
 
2013-07-02 02:56:03 PM  
I always thought it was Hi Yo Silver. Hi Ho sounds like a damn cupcake.
 
2013-07-02 02:59:20 PM  

steverockson: Danger Mouse: steverockson: Danger Mouse: hey subby Isn't it  "Hi Ho Silver Away!" ?   Not "Hi Yo Silve! r?"

/unless he's from the hood and is actually saying "hi" to his horse " Hi,  Yo, Silver!"


/Tell they at least play the WT Overture in the new movie.....please?

I read that they did play an extended version of the WT Overture at the end of the movie and when TLR says "Hi Yo Silver, Awaaay", Tonto derisively says "Never say that again".

hi HO Silver.

That's where you're wrong.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032590/.


Exactly. I barely even know who the Lone Ranger is, but I never ever thought he said "Hi HO Silver." That's stupid. It was always Hi-Yo and if you got that wrong, then you are stupid and I weep for your soul.
 
2013-07-02 03:01:04 PM  

Trade Secret: IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

Wait, help me out. BTiLC was from the side-kick view? Who was the side-kick?

/ I have seen it more than a dozen times
// no idea what you are talking about
/// I'm not really dumb, just apparently cinema dumb


Jack Burton. Wang is actually the hero; it's his fiance that was kidnapped and he does most of the ass-kicking.
 
2013-07-02 03:08:16 PM  
It's a naked attempt to repeat the success of the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Take old nostalgic property.
Add lots of action scenes and special effect to obscure the lack of a coherent story
Have Johnny Depp play a quirky and visually memorable character that you can pimp out in all the advertising
 
2013-07-02 03:10:13 PM  

Strolpol: It's a naked attempt to repeat the success of the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Take old nostalgic property.
Add lots of action scenes and special effect to obscure the lack of a coherent story
Have Johnny Depp play a quirky and visually memorable character that you can pimp out in all the advertising


I haven't seen it yet, but reviewers are saying that Depp just channelled Jack Sparrow as a Native American, that could be distracting.
 
2013-07-02 03:13:42 PM  

Fano: No even a single "Thank you Masked Man."


You thank the masked man, and the next thing you know he's doing an unnatural act with an Indian and a horse.
 
2013-07-02 03:35:03 PM  

steverockson: LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.


how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.
 
2013-07-02 03:36:56 PM  

Confabulat: God this movie looks like a trainwreck, literally.

I'm in my 40s and I have no interest in the Lone Ranger, that was way before my time. I remember the 80s version starring Klinton Spilsbury (look it up!) but that tanked because no one could remember him then either.

Who the fark is the Lone Ranger? Does he have a nemesis? What's his point? Why do I care?


I know I'm falling for a troll trap, but here goes:

Really, today nothing is before anyone's time.  We live in a great age where everything exists and is available side by side.  It only takes some curiosity to look for something that happened to be made more than a year ago.

The 80's Lone Ranger didn't tank because nobody could remember him.  Far from it.  What happened was that the actor from the TV series had been going around going to conventions dressed up as the LONE RANGER.  This had been going on for years and years (the show ended in 1954).  He wouldn't have done them if people didn't know who he (or the character) was.

Jump forward to the 70s.  The people who owned the rights to the Lone Ranger character decide to make a new movie.  They tell the actor to quit wearing the mask & costume, because there can be only one Lone Ranger now.  The "people" you refer felt this was an insult to the actor.  The actions of the producers created such a negative vibe that people just stayed away from the film.  Didn't help that the film was really bad anyway, and "Klinton Spilsbury" ended up being dubbed by Stacy Keach (and has never acted again).

As far as the rest of your questions - you might like the original stories, you might not.  If you like Westerns or pulp heroes or not, I have no idea.  As far as this new film goes, it's so far removed from anything that happened before, all the names could have been changed and nobody would have thought it was the same.
 
2013-07-02 03:40:10 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: steverockson: LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.


I'm not sure, I do know that my mom's grandmother was full-blood cherokee but she didn't have a card so it didn't count.
 
2013-07-02 03:53:11 PM  
I can hardly remember the last good movie Depp was in.    The Tim Burton and Pirate movies have been absolutely unwatchable.     I would say he needs to resuscitate the Shantaram adaptation, but I'm afraid it would turn an otherwise good book into a star vehicle clunker (see Seven Years in Tibet).
 
2013-07-02 04:06:00 PM  

malaktaus: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

He has claimed that his great-grandmother was either Cherokee or Creek, but there's no evidence of this whatsoever. Oddly enough, Armie Hammer actually does have some verified native ancestry. Ancestry.com did a story on it a week ago, although they tactfully/cravenly did not mention Depp's claims, instead focusing on an interesting but irrelevant ancestor of his who was the first free black woman in America or some such thing. It sorta makes me wonder how much the studio payed them.


He's supposedly Melungeon, so it's possibly true. Not likely, but possibly.
 
2013-07-02 04:12:37 PM  

steverockson: cannotsuggestaname: steverockson: According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm not sure, I do kno ...


log2256 = 8

Just out of curiosity, what are the privileges that go along with being a tribe member?
 
2013-07-02 04:13:27 PM  

steverockson: LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail.  If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful.  Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface.  I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.


Interesting. I'm 128th Cherokee.

What are these priveledges?
 
2013-07-02 04:15:00 PM  

Lodger: The 80's Lone Ranger didn't tank because nobody could remember him.  Far from it.  What happened was that the actor from the TV series had been going around going to conventions dressed up as the LONE RANGER.  This had been going on for years and years (the show ended in 1954).  He wouldn't have done them if people didn't know who he (or the character) was.


omg I remember that. Ha, internet outrage before the internet.
 
2013-07-02 04:28:07 PM  

anfrind: steverockson: cannotsuggestaname: steverockson: According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm not sure, I do kno ...

log2256 = 8

Just out of curiosity, what are the privileges that go along with being a tribe member?


Free healthcare, free legal council, if you're poor you can get housing for almost nothing, food, get your utility bills paid. The Cherokees have a private school that your kids can go to and live (9-12).  If you are a tribal member and you agree to work for them for 2 years you can get college paid for with a stipend in certain fields of study.  I'm probably leaving some stuff out.
 
2013-07-02 04:29:59 PM  

steverockson: anfrind: steverockson: cannotsuggestaname: steverockson: According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe.  I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm not sure, I do kno ...

log2256 = 8

Just out of curiosity, what are the privileges that go along with being a tribe member?

Free healthcare, free legal council, if you're poor you can get housing for almost nothing, food, get your utility bills paid. The Cherokees have a private school that your kids can go to and live (9-12).  If you are a tribal member and you agree to work for them for 2 years you can get college paid for with a stipend in certain fields of study.  I'm probably leaving some stuff out.


I have excellent health benefits being a VA employee but there is a brand spanking new Cherokee health clinic about 3 miles from my home where we take our kids because the pediatrician there is great.
 
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