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(Popular Science)   Obama's regulations are stifling Mars growth and causing harm to Martian jobs   (popsci.com) divider line 59
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2013-07-02 09:42:34 AM  
I thought those jobs had already been automated?
 
2013-07-02 09:53:30 AM  

Diogenes: I thought those jobs had already been automated?


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"0bama's drones terk muh jerb!"
 
2013-07-02 10:24:52 AM  

GiantRex: Diogenes: I thought those jobs had already been automated?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x282]
"0bama's drones terk muh jerb!"


At least he got his earth shattering boom.
 
2013-07-02 10:55:06 AM  
Come on, Cohaagen! You got what you want. Give dose people air!
 
2013-07-02 11:15:02 AM  
Screw those goddamn goobacks.  THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!!!
 
2013-07-02 11:16:44 AM  
Geek-Politics thread combined powerup! ;)
 
2013-07-02 11:24:52 AM  
Contamination is inevitable; the only question is when we stop caring about it.

But I can't imagine autoclaving the devices that are going to be put together in a clean room anyway is *that* expensive.
 
2013-07-02 11:31:35 AM  
The regulation doesn't scare me as much as the deep cuts to Martian education and basic science funding, which are going to really hurt the Martian economy a few years down the road.
 
2013-07-02 11:32:21 AM  
This really sounds like one of those things that will likely have no consequences, but if it has any at all, will have disastrous ones we can't undo.  I'm gonna say stick with the clean room protocols for now.
 
2013-07-02 11:35:23 AM  
I hear Romney won the popular vote on Mars.
 
2013-07-02 11:35:44 AM  
www.superherostuff.com
Does not approve.
 
2013-07-02 11:38:07 AM  
Yes, because kudzu and snakehead fish and lionfish have been so beneficial in their new environments.
 
2013-07-02 11:40:29 AM  
Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

You won't let Ivan beat you, right?
 
2013-07-02 11:40:59 AM  
Was going to post Amy Wong until I did a GIS and found a startling amount of Rule 34 type stuff.....
 
2013-07-02 11:41:13 AM  

un4gvn666: [www.superherostuff.com image 220x342]
Does not approve.


WHAR BIRF CERT WHAR
 
2013-07-02 11:45:16 AM  
as long as he doesn't declare MARTIAN LAW
 
2013-07-02 11:49:30 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

You won't let Ivan beat you, right?


I know you're well-versed enough in sciencey stuff to know the logistics of a return trip from Mars is exponentially more difficult than one from the Moon, so in response I will assure you that we fully plan on doing the EXACT same thing as soon as we can 3d print our warp drive.
 
2013-07-02 11:49:51 AM  
Yes all regulations are trade off between doing what you want and doing what's required.  That said, I don't think it's unwarranted to protect the Martian environment from Terran contamination until we know definitively it's not going to fark up anything we might want to learn about life that may have inhabited Mars.
 
2013-07-02 11:50:58 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Was going to post Amy Wong until I did a GIS and found a startling amount of Rule 34 type stuff.....


Giggity
 
2013-07-02 11:52:26 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.


But they failed to do it in 2011 on a moon of Mars.
 
2013-07-02 11:52:56 AM  
Galactic Overlord Barack Hussein Obama is threatening trade in an important system.

Did George Lucas write this shiat?
 
2013-07-02 11:54:10 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Galactic Overlord Barack Hussein Obama is threatening trade in an important system.

Did George Lucas write this shiat?


Needs more ewoks.
 
2013-07-02 11:55:35 AM  

Sandwyrm: Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

You won't let Ivan beat you, right?

I know you're well-versed enough in sciencey stuff to know the logistics of a return trip from Mars is exponentially more difficult than one from the Moon, so in response I will assure you that we fully plan on doing the EXACT same thing as soon as we can 3d print our warp drive.


Unmanned? Not so hard, come on. No one wants to do it because it would put the final nail in the coffin of manned "space exploration".

Ivo Shandor: Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

But they failed to do it in 2011 on a moon of Mars.


Well them just Kickstart one!
 
2013-07-02 11:56:05 AM  

Fart_Machine: Uranus Is Huge!: Galactic Overlord Barack Hussein Obama is threatening trade in an important system.

Did George Lucas write this shiat?

Needs more ewoks.


Jarjar Hussein
 
2013-07-02 12:03:59 PM  
President Newt would have done better
 
2013-07-02 12:06:43 PM  

Sandwyrm: Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

You won't let Ivan beat you, right?

I know you're well-versed enough in sciencey stuff to know the logistics of a return trip from Mars is exponentially more difficult than one from the Moon, so in response I will assure you that we fully plan on doing the EXACT same thing as soon as we can 3d print our warp drive.


We need to set-up some kind of space slingshot and start shooting shipping containers full of useful stuff at the surface, so when we finally are ready for a manned flight there-and-back, there's a ton of extra supplies already in position to be used.  I understand exact materials for fabricating a shelter or launch pad may change with technology in the next ten years, but two tons of water jugs is always going to be useful.
 
2013-07-02 12:11:59 PM  

monoski: President Newt would have done better


Next time Calista returns to her home planet, we should send a NASA probe along with her.
 
2013-07-02 12:14:54 PM  
if I worked for NASA I don't think I could resist the urge to smuggle a seed of a plant that may thrive on mars into a the landers treads or something.

Gotta start terraforming sometime!
 
2013-07-02 12:26:10 PM  
It's not a regulation, it's the law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection

The treaty's planetary protection provisions stipulate that nations shall "pursue studies of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, and conduct exploration of them so as to avoid their harmful contamination and also adverse changes in the environment of the Earth resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter."[2] The United Nations incorporated these provisions in its 1979 Moon Treaty governing the activities of states on the Moon and other celestial bodies, and in the Vienna Declaration of 1999.[2]
 
2013-07-02 12:33:38 PM  

palelizard: Sandwyrm: Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

You won't let Ivan beat you, right?

I know you're well-versed enough in sciencey stuff to know the logistics of a return trip from Mars is exponentially more difficult than one from the Moon, so in response I will assure you that we fully plan on doing the EXACT same thing as soon as we can 3d print our warp drive.

We need to set-up some kind of space slingshot and start shooting shipping containers full of useful stuff at the surface, so when we finally are ready for a manned flight there-and-back, there's a ton of extra supplies already in position to be used.  I understand exact materials for fabricating a shelter or launch pad may change with technology in the next ten years, but two tons of water jugs is always going to be useful.


Indeed. And frankly we could use a ton more practice at hitting what we're aiming at (or actually getting out of Earth's atmosphere successfully every time).
 
2013-07-02 12:48:35 PM  
He's outsourcing all the jobs back to his home country!
 
2013-07-02 12:53:55 PM  

Aidan: Indeed. And frankly we could use a ton more practice at hitting what we're aiming at (or actually getting out of Earth's atmosphere successfully every time).


Why? We don't even have airplanes that land successfully every time they take off. Wouldn't that be more important first? I know you space guys don't actually like people, but I like traveling right here on Earth.

The fate of an automated lunch pail that goes to Mars really doesn't worry me if we can just build another one.

Perfect is the enemy of engineering.
 
2013-07-02 01:01:27 PM  

onzmadi: as long as he doesn't declare MARTIAN LAW


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2013-07-02 01:02:38 PM  
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Well, all day long at school I hear how great Martians are at this or how wonderful Martians did that! Martians, Martians, Martians!
 
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2013-07-02 01:04:10 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

You won't let Ivan beat you, right?


We're already beaten.  The average 'merican just want to watch American Idol.
 
2013-07-02 01:06:00 PM  

d23: Quantum Apostrophe: Jeebus, just send a big shovel and bucket and bring back a few hundred pounds of rocks. The Russians could do it in 1970 on the Moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

You won't let Ivan beat you, right?

We're already beaten.  The average 'merican just want to watch American Idol.


Yet this is the species that must desperately colonize every rock out there.

Hm, or maybe the Space Crowd see themselves as superior to the rabble? And all the Space Fantasies are just Ego Stroking? "Look at how clever we are for believing in this horse shiat?"
 
2013-07-02 01:07:22 PM  

Huggermugger: Yes, because kudzu and snakehead fish and lionfish have been so beneficial in their new environments.


Now I have to wonder, would Kudzu survive on Mars?
 
2013-07-02 01:07:41 PM  
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2013-07-02 01:12:32 PM  

un4gvn666: [www.superherostuff.com image 220x342]
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2013-07-02 01:16:07 PM  
Since the ultimate goal is for humans to travel to Mars, why are we worried about some microbes?

Humans wold be the ultimate in contagions.  If anything, I would want to make sure that WE do not make it off the planet.
 
2013-07-02 01:18:27 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Also does not approve.
 
2013-07-02 01:19:31 PM  

HighOnCraic: Well, all day long at school I hear how great Martians are at this or how wonderful Martians did that! Martians, Martians, Martians!


Damn straight.
 
2013-07-02 01:34:03 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Aidan: Indeed. And frankly we could use a ton more practice at hitting what we're aiming at (or actually getting out of Earth's atmosphere successfully every time).

Why? We don't even have airplanes that land successfully every time they take off. Wouldn't that be more important first? I know you space guys don't actually like people, but I like traveling right here on Earth.

The fate of an automated lunch pail that goes to Mars really doesn't worry me if we can just build another one.

Perfect is the enemy of engineering.


How about more successful than 1/6? Or whatever the current likelihood is. It's probably even lower for actually landing on anything.
 
2013-07-02 01:42:31 PM  
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Definitely does not approve.
 
2013-07-02 01:46:17 PM  
A penis has been drawn on the Martian surface as a survey marker.
www.popsci.com

/Penis
 
2013-07-02 02:05:53 PM  
Reverse Red Planet in action.
 
2013-07-02 02:16:11 PM  
We need commonsense environmental regulations for a prosperous Martian future.  Turbinium mining is the lifeblood of the Martian economy.  Without it, we cannot continue to build our beautiful habitation domes or provide the air that gives us all life.  Since the 2050 shielding incident in Venusville, our mine safety program has operated at the highest rate of efficiency in the solar system.  Further regulations at this point would only serve to hamper job creation and damage our Martian economy.

If I am re-elected administrator, I promise to keep Mars growing and safe.  I will continue the fight against Kuato and his band of terrorists, and I will safeguard the free flow of air for this generation and the next.

I am Vilos Cohaagen, and I approve this message.
 
2013-07-02 02:22:28 PM  

Jairzinho: A penis has been drawn on the Martian surface as a survey marker.
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/Penis


Honestly, there have got to be NASA nerds just as immature as us.
 
2013-07-02 02:28:33 PM  

Jairzinho: A penis has been drawn on the Martian surface as a survey marker.


/Penis


Heh heh heh
 
2013-07-02 02:32:53 PM  
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Aw man, I've got five kids to feed!
 
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