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(CNN)   Edward Snowden: You know, thanks for the asylum offer, Russia, but I think I'd rather keep letting the world know how much America has betrayed them. And hey, it's a pretty nice airport you got here   (cnn.com) divider line 212
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2013-07-02 08:45:46 AM  
Edward Snowden has abandoned his effort to seek asylum in Russia after President Vladimir Putin warned that he would have to stop leaking information about U.S. surveillance programs if he wanted to stay, a Russian official said Tuesday.

Nobody likes or trusts a proven snitch, especially the former head of the KGB.
 
2013-07-02 08:56:44 AM  

SurfaceTension: Edward Snowden has abandoned his effort to seek asylum in Russia after President Vladimir Putin warned that he would have to stop leaking information about U.S. surveillance programs if he wanted to stay, a Russian official said Tuesday.

Nobody likes or trusts a proven snitch, especially the former head of the KGB.


Aaaaand we're done here.
 
2013-07-02 09:09:25 AM  
Here's the funny thing:

Since Snowden doesn't have a valid passport anymore, he can't get a flight to any of those countries he's asked for asylum from, nor can he leave the transit area of the airport since he wouldn't be able to get back into the airport without the passport.

Most of those countries have said that they won't consider an asylum request unless he is within their borders or within the Asylum.

So, he's essentially stuck right now.
 
2013-07-02 09:10:09 AM  

RexTalionis: Most of those countries have said that they won't consider an asylum request unless he is within their borders or within

the Asylum their embassy.

FTFM
 
2013-07-02 09:12:29 AM  
The Terminal II:  Electric Surveillance Boogaloo
 
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2013-07-02 09:15:01 AM  

RexTalionis: Most of those countries have said that they won't consider an asylum request unless he is within their borders or within the Asylum.


Which is diplomat speak for fark-off, we don't want to get involved.
 
2013-07-02 09:19:03 AM  

RexTalionis: So, he's essentially stuck right now.


I KNEW I've seen this move!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-02 09:20:21 AM  

RexTalionis: Here's the funny thing:

Since Snowden doesn't have a valid passport anymore, he can't get a flight to any of those countries he's asked for asylum from, nor can he leave the transit area of the airport since he wouldn't be able to get back into the airport without the passport.

Most of those countries have said that they won't consider an asylum request unless he is within their borders or within the Asylum.

So, he's essentially stuck right now.


People seeking political asylum must have a passport?  When did this happen?
 
2013-07-02 09:21:20 AM  
You're screwed, kid.
 
2013-07-02 09:21:22 AM  
The hero tag is really just trolling at this point.
 
2013-07-02 09:22:43 AM  

The Muthaship: People seeking political asylum must have a passport? When did this happen?


You can't seek the asylum in most countries until you are on that country's soil.

Guess what you need, typically, to get to that country.
 
2013-07-02 09:22:45 AM  
1. Super Bowl Ring
2. NSA Information leaker Edward Snowden
3. ?????
4. Profit!!!
 
2013-07-02 09:23:28 AM  

RexTalionis: Guess what you need, typically, to get to that country.


For its diplomat to approve your request.
 
2013-07-02 09:23:30 AM  

The Muthaship: People seeking political asylum must have a passport? When did this happen?


It's kind of a Catch-22 thing right now.
 
2013-07-02 09:23:39 AM  

SurfaceTension: Edward Snowden has abandoned his effort to seek asylum in Russia after President Vladimir Putin warned that he would have to stop leaking information about U.S. surveillance programs if he wanted to stay, a Russian official said Tuesday.

Nobody likes or trusts a proven snitch, especially the former head of the KGB.


Anyone else find it odd that Putin made that overt offer in the first place? I mean really here he has a golden goose and his condition for keeping it is to give the USA what it wants!?

Something doesn't make sense here.
 
2013-07-02 09:24:52 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Anyone else find it odd that Putin made that overt offer in the first place? I mean really here he has a golden goose and his condition for keeping it is to give the USA what it wants!?


I'm guessing that Putin damn well knows if a country wants a guy gone then that guy gets gone.
/Like that one dude with the polonium.
 
2013-07-02 09:25:02 AM  
I appreciate the sacrifices he made, but I can't help thinking what a dumbass he was for not getting his asylum setup *before* becoming an enemy of the American government.
 
2013-07-02 09:25:47 AM  

blackminded: The hero tag is really just trolling at this point.


Very much so.  Disclosing top-secret information and then fleeing to China and Russia?  Not a hero, ever.
 
2013-07-02 09:26:17 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: I appreciate the sacrifices he made, but I can't help thinking what a dumbass he was for not getting his asylum setup *before* becoming an enemy of the American government.


Generally you can't request asylum before the event that causes you you want it.
 
2013-07-02 09:26:18 AM  
Go on continue to be a dip shiat, lets see how long Putin will put up with that.
 
2013-07-02 09:26:21 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: I appreciate the sacrifices he made, but I can't help thinking what a dumbass he was for not getting his asylum setup *before* becoming an enemy of the American government.


No shiat. It's like he just decided "Awww fark it what's the worst that could happen?" when he started all this.
 
2013-07-02 09:26:22 AM  

The Muthaship: RexTalionis: Here's the funny thing:

Since Snowden doesn't have a valid passport anymore, he can't get a flight to any of those countries he's asked for asylum from, nor can he leave the transit area of the airport since he wouldn't be able to get back into the airport without the passport.

Most of those countries have said that they won't consider an asylum request unless he is within their borders or within the Asylum.

So, he's essentially stuck right now.

People seeking political asylum must have a passport?  When did this happen?


They also need to pay the $35 asylum application fee, IN CASH.
He may be running low on money at this point.  Those airport concessions are really expensive.
 
2013-07-02 09:26:54 AM  
Am I the only one that thinks this guy is full of shiat?

Or is that just what they want me to believe?
 
2013-07-02 09:26:56 AM  

The Muthaship: RexTalionis: Guess what you need, typically, to get to that country.

For its diplomat to approve your request.


While a diplomat can write a letter of passage, for the most part, most of the countries that Snowden asked for asylum to have said that he has to be on their soil before he can apply, so no diplomats from any of those countries will write him a letter of passage.

And sans letter of passage and sans passport, he isn't going anywhere.
 
2013-07-02 09:27:13 AM  
Maybe Russia will give him some polonium as a lovely parting gift.
 
2013-07-02 09:28:00 AM  

RexTalionis: Here's the funny thing:

Since Snowden doesn't have a valid passport anymore, he can't get a flight to any of those countries he's asked for asylum from, nor can he leave the transit area of the airport since he wouldn't be able to get back into the airport without the passport.

Most of those countries have said that they won't consider an asylum request unless he is within their borders or within the Asylum.

So, he's essentially stuck right now.


He's already in the international zone.  He wont have to submit a passport until he gets to his destination.. which if they have granted him asylum, wont matter.

He's looking for a handout right now... but if push comes to shove, there are a number of island "nations" that will sell you citizenship (and not honor extraditions) for about the price of a car.
 
2013-07-02 09:28:16 AM  

generallyso: Sleeping Monkey: I appreciate the sacrifices he made, but I can't help thinking what a dumbass he was for not getting his asylum setup *before* becoming an enemy of the American government.

Generally you can't request asylum before the event that causes you you want it.


He could have made preparations, though. Contacted Assange, got the wheels moving in Ecuador. Perhaps arranged transport there beforehand instead of deliberately throwing himself into a diplomatic dead zone.
 
2013-07-02 09:28:21 AM  
Nana's Vibrator:
1. Super Bowl Ring
2. NSA Information leaker Edward Snowden

3. ?????
4. Profit!!!


And all this time I thought Belichick learned everything he knew from Parcells.
 
2013-07-02 09:28:22 AM  

Shostie: The Muthaship: People seeking political asylum must have a passport? When did this happen?

It's kind of a Catch-22 thing right now.


A country giving him asylum could give him safe passage papers, but the ones Ecuador sent got yanked because Assange opened his mouth.

IdBeCrazyIf: Anyone else find it odd that Putin made that overt offer in the first place? I mean really here he has a golden goose and his condition for keeping it is to give the USA what it wants!?


Makes sense if Snowden has something that will embarrass the shiat out of Putin. Snowden shows a couple of cards, Putin gets all flushed in the face, offers Snowden asylum but only if he shuts up, Snowden says FU.

/even Putin admitted it was "strange" of him to offer. Snowden may have had a few more aces up his sleeve than some gave him credit for.
 
2013-07-02 09:28:35 AM  

RexTalionis: The Muthaship: People seeking political asylum must have a passport? When did this happen?

You can't seek the asylum in most countries until you are on that country's soil.

Guess what you need, typically, to get to that country.


A trip to their local embassy?

Political asylum is not a typical event.
 
2013-07-02 09:28:41 AM  

RexTalionis: And sans letter of passage and sans passport, he isn't going anywhere.


I'll go along with that.  But, he doesn't need a passport to get on a flight to a country that wants to offer him asylum.  That was my only point.
 
2013-07-02 09:28:53 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: SurfaceTension: Edward Snowden has abandoned his effort to seek asylum in Russia after President Vladimir Putin warned that he would have to stop leaking information about U.S. surveillance programs if he wanted to stay, a Russian official said Tuesday.

Nobody likes or trusts a proven snitch, especially the former head of the KGB.

Anyone else find it odd that Putin made that overt offer in the first place? I mean really here he has a golden goose and his condition for keeping it is to give the USA what it wants!?

Something doesn't make sense here.


Maybe some of the info Snowden has could also harm Russian interests.  Maybe anti-terrorism stuff, or there's some kind of NSA/FSB joint operation thingee.  There's no way Putin's doing this just to be 'nice.'
 
2013-07-02 09:29:03 AM  
His odds of coming down with a mysterious case of dead are going up every day.
 
2013-07-02 09:29:26 AM  

The Muthaship: People seeking political asylum must have a passport? When did this happen?


Probably about the time the US Government made it known that it would frown upon any country giving Snowden Asylum?
 
2013-07-02 09:30:22 AM  

generallyso: Sleeping Monkey: I appreciate the sacrifices he made, but I can't help thinking what a dumbass he was for not getting his asylum setup *before* becoming an enemy of the American government.

Generally you can't request asylum before the event that causes you you want it.


Fair enough. He could have at least been in the right country though. His problem now seems to be that he can't travel anywhere.
 
2013-07-02 09:30:29 AM  

MaliFinn: blackminded: The hero tag is really just trolling at this point.

Very much so.  Disclosing top-secret information and then fleeing to China and Russia?  Not a hero, ever.


Yeah, those were probably the 2  top most bizarre choices for where to flee to.  I'm half expecting him to seek asylum with the Taliban at this point.
 
2013-07-02 09:31:04 AM  
Are there gonna be pics when a group of drunken russian skinheads kick his teeth in?  They probably won't even care who he is since he speaks fluent english, which is usually enough for an ass kicking.  Have fun, buddy :)  Sounds like China was smart enough to take his secrets and run lol.  At some point, all you have is a .tar file of cat pics from some Senator's email account lol.
 
2013-07-02 09:31:10 AM  
I'm really starting to not like this guy. He needs to come down off the soap box lent to him by Wikileaks.
 
2013-07-02 09:31:36 AM  
Again?
 
2013-07-02 09:32:04 AM  

RexTalionis: While a diplomat can write a letter of passage, for the most part, most of the countries that Snowden asked for asylum to have said that he has to be on their soil before he can apply, so no diplomats from any of those countries will write him a letter of passage.

And sans letter of passage and sans passport, he isn't going anywhere.


Which is just a fancy way of saying he'll be arrested and turned over to the US to score points at those locations.

I dont understand why you think laws are things that must be followed anyhow.  If Putin says he can get on a plane, nobody is going to stop him, regardless of paperwork.
 
2013-07-02 09:32:55 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: A trip to their local embassy?


I think the difference between an embassy and the actual country is an academic matter when you can't get out of the airport regardless.
 
2013-07-02 09:33:48 AM  

Peki: /even Putin admitted it was "strange" of him to offer. Snowden may have had a few more aces up his sleeve than some gave him credit for.


Maybe.
 
2013-07-02 09:34:44 AM  
With every day that goes by, I have less and less sympathy for this guy and support the charges against him more and more. I can understand feeling conscientious and exposing a program centered around widespread eavesdropping on your fellow citizens. While I don't condone the actions, I can understand them. However, to keep on going and make public everything classified you've ever come across, not to mention teaming with Wikileaks (Julian Assange's stated goal is to harm the United States, not openness), this just makes him a spy without a country and someone who is determined to do as much harm as he can before he's stopped.
 
2013-07-02 09:35:13 AM  
I posted this in the other thread, but this one seems more active so I'll repost it.

People biatch about how no one does enough to fight back when the US takes away their rights, that government agencies can set up things like the TSA to sexually assault our grandmothers and frighten our children, that the gitmo prison remains open, and that the government puts the interests of corporations and big business ahead of their own citizens... But when people like Snowden, and Dorner get sick and tired of the corruption and the lies being fed to us actually try to do something to make a change, we the people seem to turn on them like snarling animals.
I don't get it... Why aren't more US citizens supporting Snowden? He brought to attention a vast conspiracy against the US population and the world by showing how the US spies on it's own citizens and its allies. Dorner got tired of the rampant corruption that plagues the police system and through action tried to affect change.
How do people think change happens? By peaceful protests like Occupy Wall Street that left the 1% laughing at the ineffectual and impotent rage that we feel, or by the people getting angry and using violent revolution to remind the government that they should fear us, and not the other way around.
 
2013-07-02 09:35:41 AM  

Alonjar: RexTalionis: While a diplomat can write a letter of passage, for the most part, most of the countries that Snowden asked for asylum to have said that he has to be on their soil before he can apply, so no diplomats from any of those countries will write him a letter of passage.

And sans letter of passage and sans passport, he isn't going anywhere.

Which is just a fancy way of saying he'll be arrested and turned over to the US to score points at those locations.

I dont understand why you think laws are things that must be followed anyhow.  If Putin says he can get on a plane, nobody is going to stop him, regardless of paperwork.


And vice versa.

Bottom line: if a country wanted to take him - and it's looking increasingly likely that the only nation interested is the US - he can get the documents he needs to legally travel.
 
2013-07-02 09:35:46 AM  

RexTalionis: Here's the funny thing:

Since Snowden doesn't have a valid passport anymore, he can't get a flight to any of those countries he's asked for asylum from, nor can he leave the transit area of the airport since he wouldn't be able to get back into the airport without the passport.

Most of those countries have said that they won't consider an asylum request unless he is within their borders or within the Asylum.

So, he's essentially stuck right now.


Meanwhile, the politicians and CEOs of data-sniffing companies light up their Cuban cigars with $100 bills and cackle to themselves while watching a kidnapped Thai preteen girl do a coerced striptease.
 
2013-07-02 09:36:01 AM  
What he needs to do is come back here to the US and have a nice media frenzy trial and quit being a punk ass biatch.

He will go to prison but he will make our politicians look like fools, there are ones calling him a traitor ... for what telling the people that their government basically shiatting all over our founding fathers by illegally spying on them.

Oh the illegal spying has stopped like 50 terrorist attacks, that nobody knew about and we can't tell you about... and my girlfriend lives in Canada... you wouldn't know her.
 
2013-07-02 09:36:18 AM  

Gunny Highway: Peki: /even Putin admitted it was "strange" of him to offer. Snowden may have had a few more aces up his sleeve than some gave him credit for.

Maybe.


Dirt on the Russians/KGB (or whatever that is now)?  It would certainly make this story more interesting.
 
2013-07-02 09:37:06 AM  

overfienduglar: Go on continue to be a dip shiat, lets see how long Putin will put up with that.


Your public conformity won't make the NSA spy on you any less.
 
2013-07-02 09:37:24 AM  
if i were him i'd exchange everything i had for cash and just disappear into Siberia
 
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