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(YouTube)   Aerial video of the Yarnell Hill fire, showing extreme erratic behavior   (youtube.com) divider line 10
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2013-07-02 09:42:19 AM
Wind can mess up anticipated behavior. Wish there had been sound on that video, but I suspect it just would have been talking heads saying the same stuff they always say:

"Wow, this is an extremely dangerous situation"
"There are (number of) fire crews now working on this very dangerous fire"
"You have to hope that everybody has been successfully evacuated"
"So far, there are (number of) acres involved in this fire, but no damage to structures yet"
 
2013-07-02 10:11:48 AM
It looks like burning!

/raplhwiggum.raw
 
2013-07-02 10:22:22 AM
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2013-07-02 11:07:29 AM
Everytime I see a firefighting plane like that, I think of this crash which is just sort of unsettling
 
2013-07-02 12:08:23 PM

Donnchadha: Everytime I see a firefighting plane like that, I think of this crash which is just sort of unsettling


Not too often you see the wings of a plane fold upwards and snap off like that.  Based on the NTSB report it sounds like the C130 firefighting fleet was not getting near enough maintenance checks, considering Lockheed had determined they should be inspected 12 times more often then the planes used in military transport operations.
 
2013-07-02 12:09:06 PM

Donnchadha: Everytime I see a firefighting plane like that, I think of this crash which is just sort of unsettling


Before I read the description, but after watching, I said to myself: "What terrible CGI -- Those flames from the wing tanks look like B-movie grade effects!"

Sad story behind it all. 3 firefighting airmen trying to save lives, and shiatty airframe maintenance kills them.
 
2013-07-02 01:43:04 PM
I've never seen so many spot fires.

Wow.
 
2013-07-02 08:42:09 PM

Donnchadha: Everytime I see a firefighting plane like that, I think of this crash which is just sort of unsettling


I remember that crash -- it happened during my IFR training. Wing-loading was a hot topic at next week's lesson.
 
2013-07-02 11:42:10 PM

Donnchadha: Everytime I see a firefighting plane like that, I think of this crash which is just sort of unsettling


I kind of like Hickenlooper's idea of creating a western states fleet of planes and helicopters.

If they are stationed closer to the fire, they can respond faster.  It seems like it takes at least a day to get a significant aerial operation on a fire.  And a fire can go from tens of acres to thousands in a day.  The sooner you put it out, the better in a lot of instances.  While I respect the idea of allowing a fire to burn, pretty soon it's going to run into a town/city/not rural place.
The other day, I commented to a co-worker about a report on the radio.  The report said that the West Fork complex was at 119 square miles.  And it had not destroyed any buildings.
I was like, people from New York are probably saying "whatever, it's no big deal".  But it is a big deal, there are more than 1300 firefighters working the fire (how many at your local firehouse), the highway through there was closed for a week, a whole township was evacuated, the ski area was threatened (fire within 1/4mi of the boundary), there are over 97,000 acres burned already.  And the growth potential is still rated at "extreme".

And all the western states are trying to share resources.  A lot of those resources are Canadian resources.  Guess what happens when they start having the same issues.  Well, if this stuff keeps going the way it is going then at some point there's not going to be enough resources.  Which is why we need more, we want more.  Because sometimes there's more less stuff and you just want more, but your parents say there's not enough and you can only have a little bit.

/currently there are 95 fires classified as "incidents" in the western USA.   http://www.inciweb.org/
 
2013-07-03 05:03:46 PM

Donnchadha: Everytime I see a firefighting plane like that, I think of this crash which is just sort of unsettling


Holy fark! Had to watch it several times just to get my head around it. It really looked CGI
 
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