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2013-07-02 02:08:25 AM  
That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.
 
2013-07-02 03:09:20 AM  

MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.


I do all of that but i keep my hands on the steering wheel and make sure the interior light is on.

damn...coppers wheeling me

1. use turn signals and pull over asap (giving proper shoulder safe areas etc)
2. shut off headlights turn on hazards
3. turn on interior light
4. turn off radio
5. roll down windows
6. put hands at the 10&2 marks on the steering wheel and keep them there.
 
2013-07-02 07:26:42 AM  
And how long have you been a black actor?
 
2013-07-02 07:32:22 AM  
Oh, bullshiat.
 
2013-07-02 07:48:56 AM  
It's good advice for anyone when on a traffic stop, but especially for those of a darker complexion. Like with Tellingthem, I turn on all of the interior lights, and I keep my hands on the steering wheel. When asked for my license, registration and insurance papers, I politely let the officer know where my wallet is, so I can reach for it - slowly, mind you, no sudden moves - then get my registration and insurance papers from where I keep them on my visor.  All questions are answered politely, with Yes and No answers if at all possible, all the while doing nothing that could be construed as interfering with the officer in any way.

The long and short of it is, I know many police officers, current and former, as a part of my job. Most are just fine, and I would not fear being pulled over by those folk, but the others (who admittedly are a small minority) I wouldn't put it past them to abuse their power in a variety of frightening ways, including shooting an innocent driver.
 
2013-07-02 07:52:39 AM  
He rigged his engine to go warp 3 so the cop cruisers, which do warp 1.5 at best, can't catch him.
 
2013-07-02 08:42:18 AM  
It was true then, and it's still true now.  NSFW (language/subject matter)
 
2013-07-02 08:50:13 AM  
DWB is a serious offense in these parts, son.
 
2013-07-02 08:51:35 AM  
...WHY IS A BLIND MAN ALLOWED TO DRIVE?!?!?!

or

HOW CAN HE DRIVE WITH ONLY ONE FOOT?!?!?
 
2013-07-02 08:55:25 AM  
"When I get stopped by the police, I take my hat off and my sunglasses visor off, and put them on the passenger's side.
 
2013-07-02 09:00:03 AM  

MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.


I do exactly the same thing myself.  Officer neckvein wants to see your hands at all times.
 
2013-07-02 09:01:39 AM  
I wonder if any of the cops who stop him have heard that song where he sings about how high he is.
 
2013-07-02 09:12:29 AM  
Does his drivers liscence say "Toby?"
 
2013-07-02 09:20:18 AM  
I'm a fairly attractive white girl, so.... never dealt with anything like this. But, I also live in a city where cops don't pull crap like this; they're trained at the academy here to be civil and helpful. The worst I ever got was a cop getting on my case about driving with my sunglasses on when it was overcast. They're prescription.

Also:
www.geekosystem.com
/loved this show as a kid
 
2013-07-02 09:20:58 AM  
I roll down my window, I take my hands, I stick them outside the window, on the door of the driver's side because I want that officer to be as relaxed as he can be when he approaches my vehicle and I do that because I live in America," explained Burton.

Cause you're offering to give him a handy?

I do not understand this.  10 and 2 in plain site would seem sufficient.  And normal.
 
2013-07-02 09:22:50 AM  

kbronsito: "When I get stopped by the police, I take my hat off and my sunglasses visor off, and put them on the passenger's side.


Also, also:
deathandtaxesmag.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-07-02 09:24:32 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.

I do exactly the same thing myself.  Officer neckvein wants to see your hands at all times.


Count me in, and I'm a white chick in suburban Los Angeles. I'd trust the LAPD about as far as I could throw them.

/have seen black friends get tagged for BMW (black man walking)
//no different than when a person other-than-white feels they have to open their jacket when they leave a store; my jaw dropped when I saw a guy do this, and I wanted to apologize to him. . .
 
2013-07-02 09:27:08 AM  
Waiting for some Farker to announce that the proper way to deal with a cop is to loudly yell "AM I BEING DETAINED OR AM I FREE TO GO?"
 
2013-07-02 10:05:59 AM  
Chris Rock already covered this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ   (NSFW)
 
2013-07-02 10:06:30 AM  
Eject the warp core with a fifty dollar bill wrapped around it?
 
2013-07-02 10:08:28 AM  
don't forget to say "my registration is in the glove box" before you lean over and pop it open.
 
2013-07-02 10:08:59 AM  

Tellingthem: MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.

I do all of that but i keep my hands on the steering wheel and make sure the interior light is on.

damn...coppers wheeling me

1. use turn signals and pull over asap (giving proper shoulder safe areas etc)
2. shut off headlights turn on hazards
3. turn on interior light
4. turn off radio
5. roll down windows
6. put hands at the 10&2 marks on the steering wheel and keep them there.


Seems like putting your hands otu like that is going to put the cop on edge, but I was taught to do all those other things.
 
2013-07-02 10:10:15 AM  
I've seen cops trolling Hispanics and Black folks in the town next to here. It's pretty notorious for its treatment of minorities.

They even had an instance where they handcuffed a black woman, left her in the lobby chained to the chair, she ended up having a medical issue and complained but they just ignored her and left her alone. She was dead within a few hours.
 
2013-07-02 10:11:51 AM  

MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.


It isn't that way.  Of all traffic stops conducted every year, how many are on minorities?   Close to a million maybe?  Now, how often does a routine traffic stop of a minority turn into a violent struggle?   Has to be pretty close to never.
 
2013-07-02 10:11:58 AM  

MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.

 
2013-07-02 10:12:26 AM  
Our local police department has a lot of officers with the God with a badge disorder.  At least they are non-biased.  Doesn't matter of you are white, black, purple...  They're equal opportunity assholes..
 
2013-07-02 10:15:24 AM  
Came for the Chris Rock video.  Leaving satisfied.  Twice.
 
2013-07-02 10:19:41 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: I've seen cops trolling Hispanics and Black folks in the town next to here. It's pretty notorious for its treatment of minorities.


I have a coworker who has complained about being pulled over for Driving While Hispanic.. except she's Philippina.
 
2013-07-02 10:20:22 AM  
Turn that shiat off
Never drive with a mad woman

xanadian: It was true then, and it's still true now.  NSFW (language/subject matter)


/satisfied
 
2013-07-02 10:21:18 AM  

Alphax: I have a coworker who has complained about being pulled over for Driving While Hispanic.. except she's Philippina.


If you ain't ghost white around here, expect problems
 
2013-07-02 10:23:03 AM  
From D.L.Hughley's book :

I'd always told my son that if he got pulled over by the police and asked questions, to be as respectful as possible. I reminded him about what every black man knows, to keep his hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel. That way, the cops  know immediately that you're housebroken. You get the rules and know how things are supposed to be. "But if the police ask you anything that you think is beyond your capacity," I explained to Kyle, "you say two things. First, 'Sir, I know you've got a job to do and I respect you.' Second, 'I'm not going to say one other thing. Call my father.' I don't care what they say to you after that, you don't say one other thing. I don't give a fark if you're forty years old when this happens. I don't care. Because boy, you didn't have these experiences. You don't know this shiat. You live in a world where you think everything is great. But that world doesn't exist. It's cute, it's a great notion. The brochure is a motherfarker-but I ain't ever been there."

Sure enough, at one a.m. one night Kyle got pulled over coming home from a club. "Have you been drinking?" the policeman said.

"No," my son told him. "I don't drink."

"Where are you coming from?"

"The club."

"Well, where have you been tonight? Because we had this report ..." That's what the cops always say. There's always some mysterious motherfarking report.

To his great credit, my son said, "Sir, I know  you've got a job to do and I respect you. I answered every question I could. I'm not going to answer another question. I want you to call my father."

Society will tell you that the more you talk to the police, the better shiat will be. That's not true. That's the kind of shiat they tell you on Ironside: "If you don't have anything to hide, why hide anything?" That ain't real. Motherfarkers get in legal trouble for talking too much, not talking too little. Don't most people in life get in trouble for talking too much? When has shutting the fark up and minding your own business not worked for anyone? In marriage, in school, in church, in the library, at the restaurant: Shut the fark up! Your dumb ass might even learn something.

"I don't feel comfortable," my son repeated. "You can call my father."

After twenty minutes of this, the police let him go. They didn't even bother calling me.
 
2013-07-02 10:23:10 AM  
A lot of what he's saying comes down to how it's presented.  He's presenting it as "here's what I as a black man in America feel like I have to do to avoid being shot by cops" which sounds bad.  I on the other hand do the exact same things but present it as "here's what I do as a matter of courtesy" which doesn't sound so bad.

I knew a kid whose dad (cop) got shot doing a routine traffic stop.  I figure if I can take a little stress out of the interaction it works in the benefit of both parties.
 
2013-07-02 10:24:13 AM  

Alphax: IdBeCrazyIf: I've seen cops trolling Hispanics and Black folks in the town next to here. It's pretty notorious for its treatment of minorities.

I have a coworker who has complained about being pulled over for Driving While Hispanic.. except she's Philippina.


Same thing.

interiorsforfamilies.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-02 10:25:32 AM  
Happens to us white folk, too, LeVar. Yesterday, I had a bored suburban cop chase me down to pull me over for -- excessively tinted windows.  I was cited for tinting that blocks 31% of the light when the maximum allowable in PA is 30%.  He even carried a little light meter that slips over the glass to prove that he had a valid reason to pull me over.

And yes, from the rear of the car, he asked me to roll down all four car windows (it's a 4-door Grand Marquis).  In the pouring rain.  With my daughter in her car seat in the back seat, who got soaked on her way to day camp.

Keep up the work, Officer Friendly.  You're playing a vital role in keeping the world safe from window tint.
 
2013-07-02 10:27:00 AM  
I got stopped two weeks ago, expired inspection sticker.  Pulled into a parking lot, rolled down my window, turned off the radio, put one hand out of the window.  My right hand is broken, can't do much with it, including putting it on the steering wheel.  Spoke to the cop in a calm rational voice with zero emotion.  I mean, I knew why I was being stopped.  Worse part is that I couldn't find my insurance card.  So, got ticketed for no insurance and expired inspection.  Got the car inspected, got a copy of my insurance card, went to the court house, dismissed the no insurance ticket and inspection was a $20 dismissal fee.
 
2013-07-02 10:27:22 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.

It isn't that way.  Of all traffic stops conducted every year, how many are on minorities?   Close to a million maybe?  Now, how often does a routine traffic stop of a minority turn into a violent struggle?   Has to be pretty close to never.


It's not just about force...but you're wrong.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-04-29-minorities-tra ff ic-stops_N.htm?csp=34

Blacks (9.5 percent) and Hispanics (8.8 percent) were much more likely to be searched than whites (3.6 percent). There were slight but statistically insignificant declines compared with the 2002 report in the percentages of blacks and Hispanics searched.


Blacks (4.5 percent) were more than twice as likely as whites (2.1 percent) to be arrested. Hispanic drivers were arrested 3.1% of the time.



Among all police-public contacts, force was used 1.6% of the time. But blacks (4.4 percent) and Hispanics (2.3 percent) were more likely than whites (1.2 percent) to be subjected to force or the threat of force by police officers.
 
2013-07-02 10:28:41 AM  
Pumpernickel bread: MadSkillz: That's sad. That's sad and it shouldn't be that way.

It isn't that way.  Of all traffic stops conducted every year, how many are on minorities?   Close to a million maybe?  Now, how often does a routine traffic stop of a minority turn into a violent struggle?   Has to be pretty close to never.


I think you are missing the point. Its not about the actually incidents its the FEAR of such a thing occurring. You have to concede that in general police and for that matter most white people react differently when a presented with a potentially dangerous situation and the subject is a different race or ethnicity. Studies have borne that out.
I think Burtons advice is just a flip side of what the police thought process is. Officers act as if ever traffic stop can turn deadly and we have to react as if every cop is a crazy power-mad racist douche.
Frankly its good advice regardless of race
We just had a cop resign here I Madison because he shot a local artist who was drunk and went into the wrong house. The victim was white. You just never know when the boy in blue is going to snap.
 
2013-07-02 10:29:43 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Happens to us white folk, too, LeVar. Yesterday, I had a bored suburban cop chase me down to pull me over for -- excessively tinted windows.  I was cited for tinting that blocks 31% of the light when the maximum allowable in PA is 30%.  He even carried a little light meter that slips over the glass to prove that he had a valid reason to pull me over.

And yes, from the rear of the car, he asked me to roll down all four car windows (it's a 4-door Grand Marquis).  In the pouring rain.  With my daughter in her car seat in the back seat, who got soaked on her way to day camp.

Keep up the work, Officer Friendly.  You're playing a vital role in keeping the world safe from window tint.


Yup. Right here in Montreal too.
 
2013-07-02 10:29:47 AM  
Black actor LeVar Burton explains what he does to avoid being shot by police during a normal traffic stop in America says to have articles written about his irrelevant self in 2013

/making shiat up on reading rainbow got to be a habit, I guess.
 
2013-07-02 10:29:56 AM  

MmmmBacon: It's good advice for anyone when on a traffic stop, but especially for those of a darker complexion. Like with Tellingthem, I turn on all of the interior lights, and I keep my hands on the steering wheel. When asked for my license, registration and insurance papers, I politely let the officer know where my wallet is, so I can reach for it - slowly, mind you, no sudden moves - then get my registration and insurance papers from where I keep them on my visor.  All questions are answered politely, with Yes and No answers if at all possible, all the while doing nothing that could be construed as interfering with the officer in any way.

The long and short of it is, I know many police officers, current and former, as a part of my job. Most are just fine, and I would not fear being pulled over by those folk, but the others (who admittedly are a small minority) I wouldn't put it past them to abuse their power in a variety of frightening ways, including shooting an innocent driver.


Why not get all of the paper work out in the few minutes between getting pulled over and the cop walking to the car?
 
2013-07-02 10:34:03 AM  
This is all things he does due to his own paranoia about race.  He does it before he has any contact with the police.

This is his issue, not society's.


Are there problems with the police and racism?  Yeah.

Is this evidence of it? Not at all.

squegeebooo: Why not get all of the paper work out in the few minutes between getting pulled over and the cop walking to the car?


Yeah MmmmBacon is being just as paranoid.  The cop isn't going to think you're going to shoot him if you get your wallet and insurance out before he ever gets out of his car.  And you don't have to act like you're talking to a sociopathic nazi prison guard.
 
2013-07-02 10:34:28 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Happens to us white folk, too, LeVar. Yesterday, I had a bored suburban cop chase me down to pull me over for -- excessively tinted windows. I was cited for tinting that blocks 31% of the light when the maximum allowable in PA is 30%.


Oh, now if you're going to complain about white people problems, that's cheating.  Pennsylvania cops are notorious nationwide for being as bad as can be; the only reason why they don't treat black people worse is because their default behavior can't be any worse.
 
2013-07-02 10:34:34 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Yup. Right here in Montreal too.


And the police, I'm sure, wonder why they're not all that popular with the public.  Now I have to drop $300-400 to strip off all the window tint, which I didn't even put on (bought it as a used car, window tint already applied).

In the rear view mirror, I could see his partner with his hand sitting on the butt of his gun.
 
2013-07-02 10:36:31 AM  

squegeebooo: Why not get all of the paper work out in the few minutes between getting pulled over and the cop walking to the car?



Because squirming around in your seat and reaching into gloveboxes/console compartments makes police officers think you are comcealing something and/or retrieving a potential weapon.

Interior light on, hands plainly visible on the wheel.
 
2013-07-02 10:37:54 AM  
Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. A normal speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. But he won't know what to make of your blinker signal that says you are about to turn right. This is to let him know you're pulling off for a proper place to talk. It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work.
 
2013-07-02 10:37:58 AM  

dragonchild: Oh, now if you're going to complain about white people problems, that's cheating.  Pennsylvania cops are notorious nationwide for being as bad as can be; the only reason why they don't treat black people worse is because their default behavior can't be any worse.


It's funny, for all of the things I've heard about PA cops, this is the first time I've been hassled in 5 1/2 years of living here.  I was hassled far more when I was younger and living in Ohio (I deserved it then).
 
2013-07-02 10:38:30 AM  
White guys do that too. Cops are lethally crazy these days.
 
2013-07-02 10:39:04 AM  

squegeebooo: MmmmBacon: It's good advice for anyone when on a traffic stop, but especially for those of a darker complexion. Like with Tellingthem, I turn on all of the interior lights, and I keep my hands on the steering wheel. When asked for my license, registration and insurance papers, I politely let the officer know where my wallet is, so I can reach for it - slowly, mind you, no sudden moves - then get my registration and insurance papers from where I keep them on my visor.  All questions are answered politely, with Yes and No answers if at all possible, all the while doing nothing that could be construed as interfering with the officer in any way.

The long and short of it is, I know many police officers, current and former, as a part of my job. Most are just fine, and I would not fear being pulled over by those folk, but the others (who admittedly are a small minority) I wouldn't put it past them to abuse their power in a variety of frightening ways, including shooting an innocent driver.

Why not get all of the paper work out in the few minutes between getting pulled over and the cop walking to the car?


Because the cop is going to see you digging into the glove compartment and get all *BLAM BLAM BLAM* on his way to two weeks of paid administrative leave.
 
2013-07-02 10:39:07 AM  
An article about an article about a broadcast. That's some fine journalism there.
 
2013-07-02 10:39:50 AM  
Some relative of a cop once told my husband that, when being pulled over, it makes the cop feel better if you take the keys out of the ignition and out them on the roof of the car - it lets them know you aren't going to try driving away.

I have been in the car on numerous occasions when he has received speeding tickets, and husband does the key thing every time. The universal reaction from the police has been complete confusion.
 
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