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(National Geographic)   What is the cause behind the recent heat wave? Sorry global warming, you can put your hand back down   (news.nationalgeographic.com) divider line 140
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2013-07-01 08:46:47 PM
Those scientist types no NOTHING! You should listen to politicians.
 
2013-07-01 09:55:40 PM
Nonsense, global warming is the cause of everything.
 
2013-07-01 09:56:18 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Those scientist types no NOTHING! You should listen to politicians.


Yeah, this guy sounds totally unreasonable:

Do scientists know what's behind the current heat wave?

Looking at the meteorological charts, it looks to be a blocking event. That happens when there's a particular configuration of the jet stream that's quite stable. So there's a big high-pressure ridge on the West Coast and a low-pressure trough in the East Coast. That's why it's quite rainy here [in Cambridge, Massachusetts] and very hot on the West Coast.

Have you or other scientists had a chance to analyze this current heat wave and determine how it compares to past years?

No ... because 2013 is not over yet. One very hot week will have some signature on the seasonal average, but how large that signature will be depends on what happens for the rest of the summer.
 
2013-07-01 09:56:35 PM
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-01 09:57:08 PM
"But what we're seeing now, there seems to be a trend toward more hot extremes and fewer cold extremes. That's a pattern that's consistent with an anthropogenically-forced increase in temperatures. "

Keep farking that chicken subby
 
2013-07-01 09:57:13 PM
No, nonesense.  No one sells carbon credits by saying, "everything is fine, we're not going to die, it is all normal."
 
2013-07-01 09:57:37 PM
I was hoping it would be the heat death of the universe but it seems that's not happening....yet.
 
2013-07-01 09:57:48 PM
No one weather event can be attributed to climate change. Climate change (aka global warming) is about change of the climate over time and across the globe. It is not about local weather events.
 
2013-07-01 09:59:42 PM

mgshamster: No one weather event can be attributed to climate change. Climate change (aka global warming) is about change of the climate over time and across the globe. It is not about local weather events.


Which is what the article says:

Can we attribute this particular heat wave to an anthropogenic impact on the climate? The only safe answer is, well, probably not. It's like if I flip one coin and it comes up heads, that doesn't mean the coin is loaded.

But what we're seeing now, there seems to be a trend toward more hot extremes and fewer cold extremes. That's a pattern that's consistent with an anthropogenically-forced increase in temperatures.
 
2013-07-01 10:01:01 PM
koch like typing detected...
 
2013-07-01 10:02:20 PM
Yeah it got hot last summer too.
 
2013-07-01 10:04:32 PM

whatshisname: mgshamster: No one weather event can be attributed to climate change. Climate change (aka global warming) is about change of the climate over time and across the globe. It is not about local weather events.

Which is what the article says:

Can we attribute this particular heat wave to an anthropogenic impact on the climate? The only safe answer is, well, probably not. It's like if I flip one coin and it comes up heads, that doesn't mean the coin is loaded.

But what we're seeing now, there seems to be a trend toward more hot extremes and fewer cold extremes. That's a pattern that's consistent with an anthropogenically-forced increase in temperatures.


It certainly adds to the data.
 
2013-07-01 10:06:04 PM
5 comments, and one of them of course is complete and total derp.
 
2013-07-01 10:06:38 PM
You see, a high pressure system decided to camp out around the Four Corners area....
 
2013-07-01 10:11:15 PM
Because weather =\= climate. Unless there's a heatwave, then it's OMG GLOBAL WARMING111! 111!!
 
2013-07-01 10:11:24 PM

karmaceutical: koch like typing detected...


No.

It's perfectly reasonable to anybody who understands probability to know that just because the odds of an outcome improved that doesn't mean they became a certainty. And anything that isn't a certainty can't be stated with certainty, only a level of confidence.

Which is a sort of problem when it comes to convincing imbeciles in regards to climate change. They use the non-reproducibility of chance as "evidence" that climate change isn't occurring because they ignore the confidence interval because they don't understand statistical parameters because they failed out of school in the 8th grade.

The article isn't wrong, but, yes, it will be used by idiots who are bad at math as evidence that climate change is bogus.
 
2013-07-01 10:12:00 PM

Kevin72: Because weather =\= climate. Unless there's a heatwave, then it's OMG GLOBAL WARMING111! 111!!


For example, you're probably very bad at math. Or maybe just thinking in general.
 
2013-07-01 10:12:27 PM
A headline that is total bullshiat in regards to the article it is linked to?!?!?!?  On my Fark.com?!?!??!

/did I lay the sarcasm on thick enough?
 
2013-07-01 10:14:23 PM

skozlaw: karmaceutical: koch like typing detected...

No.

It's perfectly reasonable to anybody who understands probability to know that just because the odds of an outcome improved that doesn't mean they became a certainty. And anything that isn't a certainty can't be stated with certainty, only a level of confidence.

Which is a sort of problem when it comes to convincing imbeciles in regards to climate change. They use the non-reproducibility of chance as "evidence" that climate change isn't occurring because they ignore the confidence interval because they don't understand statistical parameters because they failed out of school in the 8th grade.

The article isn't wrong, but, yes, it will be used by idiots who are bad at math as evidence that climate change is bogus.


Got it.
 
2013-07-01 10:14:55 PM
Oh, your funding just got FARKED
 
2013-07-01 10:15:20 PM
So to sum up that article; it is hot because it's hot outside. That is logic I can get behind.
 
2013-07-01 10:15:23 PM
squall.sfsu.edu
Just sayin.

    Pretty hot here in BC after our monsoon season this June. The last 4 June-uaries here have been frosty cold and snowy up high here and deluges in the valleys....so I am kinda OK with this present weather pattern.
 
2013-07-01 10:19:24 PM
Did stubby bother to read the article?  Because I'm pretty sure this article says it's global warming.
 
2013-07-01 10:19:29 PM
I've flipped heads twice in a row, so I'm due for a tails.
 
2013-07-01 10:20:13 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Oh, your funding just got FARKED


Didn't read the article, did we?
 
2013-07-01 10:22:36 PM

whatshisname: mgshamster: No one weather event can be attributed to climate change. Climate change (aka global warming) is about change of the climate over time and across the globe. It is not about local weather events.

Which is what the article says:

Can we attribute this particular heat wave to an anthropogenic impact on the climate? The only safe answer is, well, probably not. It's like if I flip one coin and it comes up heads, that doesn't mean the coin is loaded.

But what we're seeing now, there seems to be a trend toward more hot extremes and fewer cold extremes. That's a pattern that's consistent with an anthropogenically-forced increase in temperatures.


And what data do you have to support these patterns AUTHOR?
 
2013-07-01 10:27:19 PM
photos-3.dropbox.com


What Kevin72 at Death Valley might look like. Except 15 pounds heavier than where I'm at today. And temps 50 degrees less than today's.
 
2013-07-01 10:29:42 PM

HalfOffOffer: Did stubby bother to read the article?  Because I'm pretty sure this article says it's global warming.


Saying that any particular heat wave is definitely due to global warming is like saying that a weighted die came up a one this time because it was weighted.

Given the prevalence of gambling addiction (and the fact that anyone plays the lottery ever), this probably goes some way to explaining why so many people have a hard time grasping what global warming actually predicts.
 
2013-07-01 10:33:57 PM

New Age Redneck: [squall.sfsu.edu image 783x630]
Just sayin.

    Pretty hot here in BC after our monsoon season this June. The last 4 June-uaries here have been frosty cold and snowy up high here and deluges in the valleys....so I am kinda OK with this present weather pattern.


I think this pattern must have contributed to the un-authorized French assault on Pike's Peak yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2iw5hydsFI

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/stories/1331598855838/sebas ti en-loeb-pikes-peak-record
 
2013-07-01 10:34:55 PM

skozlaw: Kevin72: Because weather =\= climate. Unless there's a heatwave, then it's OMG GLOBAL WARMING111! 111!!

For example, you're probably very bad at math. Or maybe just thinking in general.


Or perhaps you're so defensive that you think it's about math. Every global warming thread has a mandatory weather doesn't equal climate posting. Or are you saying I'm bad at math because my cellphone doesn't have a "not equal to" key? Oooooh that backslash is so annoying!
 
2013-07-01 10:34:55 PM
it's too hot in the hot tub
 
2013-07-01 10:38:48 PM

mgshamster: No one weather event can be attributed to climate change. Climate change (aka global warming) is about change of the climate over time and across the globe. It is not about local weather events.


I wish people would get this through their thick skulls.
 
2013-07-01 10:38:58 PM

ski9600: And what data do you have to support these patterns AUTHOR?


The author is someone who writes for Nat Geo, but they're talking to a guy who is a Research Associate in the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University, where he conducts fundamental research in statistical climatology. So, I'm guessing he has some data.
 
2013-07-01 10:43:48 PM

Gyrfalcon: mgshamster: No one weather event can be attributed to climate change. Climate change (aka global warming) is about change of the climate over time and across the globe. It is not about local weather events.

I wish people would get this through their thick skulls.


BUT IT SNOWED IN WINTERTIME!
 
2013-07-01 10:43:50 PM
Way to go subby. You stopped reading the article before it contradicted your headline, dumbass.
 
2013-07-01 10:45:13 PM

Kevin72: Because weather =\= climate. Unless there's a heatwave, then it's OMG GLOBAL WARMING111! 111!!


Scientists never say this ... denier's always insist that this is said but that is just their dishonesty.
 
2013-07-01 10:48:34 PM
i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-01 10:50:10 PM
Heat? No, how about what's the deal with all this rain for the entire month of June? It's starting to feel like Piers Anthony's Rings of Ice
 
2013-07-01 10:53:25 PM

Kevin72: [photos-3.dropbox.com image 765x1024]


What Kevin72 at Death Valley might look like. Except 15 pounds heavier than where I'm at today. And temps 50 degrees less than today's.


Nice. Zabriskie Point?
I used to camp at Texas Spring. In January. Before the noon temp started cracking 100.
 
2013-07-01 10:54:10 PM

mongbiohazard: Way to go subby. You stopped reading the article before it contradicted your headline, dumbass.


Welcome to Fark?

/Republican denialists crack me up. Their elected officials are investing their personal cash based on science, but they know they can't admit the science is correct to their base.
 
2013-07-01 11:11:57 PM

meat0918: "But what we're seeing now, there seems to be a trend toward more hot extremes and fewer cold extremes. That's a pattern that's consistent with an anthropogenically-forced increase in temperatures. "

Keep farking that chicken subby


coorelation =/= causation

He said it would fit that model.
"Seems to be a trend" - Not going to bother explaining the key word here...

"consistent with an anthropogenically-forced increase " - As opposed to "with the anthro'"

(keep reading)

mongbiohazard: Way to go subby. You stopped reading the article before it contradicted your headline, dumbass.


see above
It was not contradictory.
The whole thing, IN context:
Not every roll of a loaded die will come up six-but sixes will occur more often than if the die had not been tampered with. Is that still the thinking?
Can we attribute this particular heat wave to an anthropogenic impact on the climate? The only safe answer is, well, probably not. It's like if I flip one coin and it comes up heads, that doesn't mean the coin is loaded.
But what we're seeing now, there seems to be a trend toward more hot extremes and fewer cold extremes. That's a pattern that's consistent with an anthropogenically-forced increase in temperatures.


The underlined part is subbies headline, more or less, and it is correct.  The whole "seems/an" is speculation, and he know's it, that's why he phrased it that way. This is how real scientists talk when discussing theoretical situations.
Summation:
Probably not, but there is a possibility, IF other things were more concrete, we could judge better.
 
2013-07-01 11:18:17 PM

New Age Redneck: [squall.sfsu.edu image 783x630]
Just sayin.

    Pretty hot here in BC after our monsoon season this June. The last 4 June-uaries here have been frosty cold and snowy up high here and deluges in the valleys....so I am kinda OK with this present weather pattern.


No one cares what happens in Canada.
 
2013-07-01 11:20:08 PM

Farking Canuck: Kevin72: Because weather =\= climate. Unless there's a heatwave, then it's OMG GLOBAL WARMING111! 111!!

Scientists never say this ... denier's always insist that this is said but that is just their dishonesty.


1. Global warming defenders ALWAYS SAY "weather isn't climate" when challengers point out record coldsnaps. Always!
2. Same defenders and scarestream media ALWAYS say 1997 is the hottest year on record. And never mention all the years that it was colder.
3. All the hottest year on record people who cite imperfect measurements that don't take into factors like solar changes, underwater volcanos, etc. Unless it's a mitigating factor like Mount Punatubo then that cooling factor MUST be mentioned.
 
2013-07-01 11:23:19 PM
Al Gore believes in global cooling errrr warming errrr climate change.


Al Gore makes his money off climate change.


Al Gore has highest energy consumption for any residence in his state.


Al Gore always flies private, which is the most environmentally unfriendly form of travel ever.


I smells da bullshiat.


/weather experts can't tell me if it will rain this week but tell me I am making it hot with my SUV
 
2013-07-01 11:28:09 PM

phamwaa: Kevin72: [photos-3.dropbox.com image 765x1024]


What Kevin72 at Death Valley might look like. Except 15 pounds heavier than where I'm at today. And temps 50 degrees less than today's.

Nice. Zabriskie Point?
I used to camp at Texas Spring. In January. Before the noon temp started cracking 100.


Yep, Zabriskie. But UNLIKELY for January for the temp to even go 75. Did you mean April? Oh never mind. You meant January so no chance of 100. Actually, January's too cold for me. I last there Spring break, just preceding the FARK Convention 2012 in Las Vegas. High temps only 70-90, so pleasant at night.
 
2013-07-01 11:30:48 PM

mbcuervo: Al Gore believes in global cooling errrr warming errrr climate change.


Al Gore makes his money off climate change.


Al Gore has highest energy consumption for any residence in his state.


Al Gore always flies private, which is the most environmentally unfriendly form of travel ever.


I smells da bullshiat.


/weather experts can't tell me if it will rain this week but tell me I am making it hot with my SUV


Al Gore chartered a plane and rescued dozens of people stranded by Katrina. Lootie survived without Al Gore's benevolent gesture.
 
2013-07-01 11:32:31 PM
KeatingFive


/Republican denialists crack me up.

Yeah why would there be any reason to question?
The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study showsWednesday 8 February 2012
So, NO ice melt (contrary to predictions)


Eco liar reaction?
Melting of ice in Arctic and Himalayas to affect India, China

So, the ice that isn't melting is going to kill everyone...

Got it o.O


/// not a republican
 
2013-07-01 11:34:30 PM
Proof that global warming is a joke:

thinkprogress.org
 
2013-07-01 11:37:13 PM
What heat wave? It's only in the 60's in Western NY.
 
2013-07-01 11:41:30 PM

Deep Contact: What heat wave? It's only in the 60's in Western NY.


sounds legit

models.weatherbell.com
 
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