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2013-07-01 10:06:23 PM

1derful: I can't find the logic of rewarding anyone with citizenship for breaking a country's laws to get there.


It also helps if you read the article before calling other people illiterate.

The Senate bill would provide a long and difficult pathway to citizenship for those living in the country illegally

Yup, sounds like they're totally rewarding them with freebie citizenship!
 
2013-07-01 10:07:49 PM
Karac:
I got a question for you.  Take your stereotypical illegal immigrant from Mexico: poor and unskilled.  What, exactly, is the process for him to get into this country illegally?  Because to the best of my knowledge that group's got a quota of 10,000 souls a year on it.  There IS NO way for him to play by the rules, stand in line, and wait patiently to immigrate - his kids would probably be dead before he got to the front of that line.  And since there's no way for him to do it legally, he gets in however he can.

Can the white guilt shiat, it's annoying.
Are white countries allowed to have laws about immigration or not? Are they allowed to have sovereignty?
 
2013-07-01 10:11:00 PM

God-is-a-Taco: white countries

White countries
 
2013-07-01 10:16:06 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally. If you break the law there are consequences! A path to legal standing as a "legal alien" is possible, but only if we first secure our borders and develop a progress to track and evict all those who overstay their tourist and student visas. so many people only think of our southern border when illegal immigration is mentioned, but there are millions of europeans and asians who are here on expired student and tourist visas. This needs to stop!



Why?
 
2013-07-01 10:17:10 PM
Deportation is almost impossible logistically.  We need to stop this at the employer level.

End day workers
Jail employers who knowingly hire people here illegally.
Force ICE to come pick up immigration offenders when state and local police discover them in the normal course of duty (accidents, traffic stops, etc)
 
2013-07-01 10:21:43 PM

Mentat: Legal Immigrant:  I spent a decade working my way through the system to become a citizen.
Illegal Immigrant:  I can now spend a decade working my way through the system to become a citizen.
GOP:  SLAP IN THE FACE!!!


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Hey illegal immigrants.

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What did the five fingers say to your citizenship status?

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SLAP!
 
2013-07-01 10:22:50 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: God-is-a-Taco: white countries
White countries


You're pretty good at that HTML thing.
 
2013-07-01 10:25:55 PM

1derful: Why should people be rewarded for breaking the law? Even without "reform" U.S. treats its immigrants much better than Mexico does. A work visa program would be fair to people who want to contribute to society, but granting citizenship is simply rewarding people for breaking the law.


Yet our economy depends on those law breakers doing menial jobs at wages the majority of citizens consider "crazy".
 
2013-07-01 10:27:39 PM
Wait, no path to citizenship in the bill?

www.nypost.com

"You tell me how we're going to catch eleven million people. Are you out of your farking mind?!"
 
2013-07-01 10:30:52 PM

AnonAmbientLight: Wait, no path to citizenship in the bill?

[www.nypost.com image 300x300]

"You tell me how we're going to catch eleven million people. Are you out of your farking mind?!"


tonova.typepad.com
 
2013-07-01 10:39:03 PM
GOP is just pissed that minorities are bright enough not to vote against their own interests, like stupid old hateful white people do every election cycle. 
So they do everything they can to nullify their vote.
/Thanks, Evil Rich!
www.askjohnchatman.com
 
2013-07-01 10:41:45 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally.


Slap.  In.  The.  Face.

Things have always been difficult for people wanting to immigrate to the US, so by gum, they should always be difficult!
 
2013-07-01 10:44:54 PM

sendtodave: Almost Everybody Poops: A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally.

Slap.  In.  The.  Face.

Things have always been difficult for people wanting to immigrate to the US, so by gum, they should always be difficult!


Yeah, great... Except they haven't always been so difficult.
 
2013-07-01 10:50:57 PM
Don't worry....skilbride will take Macro Econ 101 one of these days.
 
2013-07-01 10:56:48 PM

Lorelle: I don't see why the GOP doesn't do what Saint Reagan did back in 1986.


THAT amnesty wan't a REAL amnesty
 
2013-07-01 11:09:36 PM

SecretAgentWoman: If they don't pass it, current citizens of Hispanic descent will vote Democrat in the next election.


Do you actually know any people who are supposedly "hispanic"?

First of all, that's a bullshiat term.  They're white just like me.  Secondly the ones who have ancestors from Mexico or other Spanish speaking nations actually are proud that they immigrated legally and don't appreciate people sneaking over the border.

Of course, that cannot be applied to all so-called "hispanics", but many of them do feel that way and many do vote republican.

Don't make the mistake of lumping all "hispanics" together.
 
2013-07-01 11:10:20 PM

skilbride: For what it's worth, my dissertation ended by saying the solution to immigration problems in the United States was not anything the government has come up with - it's to provide aid to the countries that cause the biggest problem and make their governments and economies solvent enough that people won't want to come here - and will still purchase from our countries and allow us to export our businesses there. :-P


I've been saying this for years. Nobody listens.
 
2013-07-01 11:23:18 PM
Nadie_AZ:

I've been saying this for years. Nobody listens.

But but won't someone think of the Corruption???? What will poor Corruption do if we go trying to fix things???
 
2013-07-01 11:27:35 PM

KeatingFive: Lorelle: I don't see why the GOP doesn't do what Saint Reagan did back in 1986.

THAT amnesty wan't a REAL amnesty


AINO?
 
2013-07-01 11:32:13 PM

gfid: SecretAgentWoman: If they don't pass it, current citizens of Hispanic descent will vote Democrat in the next election.

Do you actually know any people who are supposedly "hispanic"?

First of all, that's a bullshiat term.  They're white just like me.  Secondly the ones who have ancestors from Mexico or other Spanish speaking nations actually are proud that they immigrated legally and don't appreciate people sneaking over the border.

Of course, that cannot be applied to all so-called "hispanics", but many of them do feel that way and many do vote republican.

Don't make the mistake of lumping all "hispanics" together.


Bullshiat.
 
2013-07-01 11:35:56 PM

Infernalist: gfid: SecretAgentWoman: If they don't pass it, current citizens of Hispanic descent will vote Democrat in the next election.

Do you actually know any people who are supposedly "hispanic"?

First of all, that's a bullshiat term.  They're white just like me.  Secondly the ones who have ancestors from Mexico or other Spanish speaking nations actually are proud that they immigrated legally and don't appreciate people sneaking over the border.

Of course, that cannot be applied to all so-called "hispanics", but many of them do feel that way and many do vote republican.

Don't make the mistake of lumping all "hispanics" together.

Bullshiat.


I agree. Total bullshiat.
 
2013-07-01 11:43:35 PM

AeAe: say goodbye to the 2016 presidential election assholes!


Most certainly.

I'm still hoping Santorum runs again for the GOP nomination, for the entertainment value....
 
2013-07-01 11:44:59 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: AeAe: say goodbye to the 2016 presidential election assholes!

Most certainly.

I'm still hoping Santorum runs again for the GOP nomination, for the entertainment value....


No way! Palin/Bachmann Freedom Party!   The world could not produce enough popcorn.
 
2013-07-01 11:45:07 PM

All_Farked_Up: Deportation is almost impossible logistically.  We need to stop this at the employer level.

End day workers
Jail employers who knowingly hire people here illegally.
Force ICE to come pick up immigration offenders when state and local police discover them in the normal course of duty (accidents, traffic stops, etc)


I think if ICE dedicated 50% of their personnel and effort to finding and prosecuting people who hire folks illegally, the issue would dry up and blow away inside of three years.

The employment law violations ought to include prison time for hiring managers, HR, and executive staff if you have repeat offenses---and it should include revocation of corporate charters and business licenses.

Do that first, and we probably can leave the desert to the pronghorns and borrego sheep.

/But sadly, ICE doesn't cover employment law, I think.
 
2013-07-01 11:45:20 PM

gfid: SecretAgentWoman: If they don't pass it, current citizens of Hispanic descent will vote Democrat in the next election.

Do you actually know any people who are supposedly "hispanic"?

First of all, that's a bullshiat term.  They're white just like me.  Secondly the ones who have ancestors from Mexico or other Spanish speaking nations actually are proud that they immigrated legally and don't appreciate people sneaking over the border.

Of course, that cannot be applied to all so-called "hispanics", but many of them do feel that way and many do vote republican.

Don't make the mistake of lumping all "hispanics" together.


If by "Many" you mean "a few Cubans in Miami who want to stick it to Castro", then yes.  But generally speaking, the majority of Hispanics vote Democratic.
 
2013-07-01 11:45:42 PM

hubiestubert: The one thing that is usually missing from these debates, are questions about what to do with employers.


Thing is, no one is interested in cracking down on those employers. Those employers' businesses are set up to depend on illegals, and many of those businesses are quite large (see agro businesses), and I'd bet you a dollar that most of those illegal-exploitation businesses Vote Republican.

Fining businesses that hire illegals is just like fining banks: no one wants to do it be cause lazy/corrupt/slap on the wrist.
 
2013-07-01 11:47:45 PM

Dwight_Yeast: gfid: SecretAgentWoman: If they don't pass it, current citizens of Hispanic descent will vote Democrat in the next election.

Do you actually know any people who are supposedly "hispanic"?

First of all, that's a bullshiat term.  They're white just like me.  Secondly the ones who have ancestors from Mexico or other Spanish speaking nations actually are proud that they immigrated legally and don't appreciate people sneaking over the border.

Of course, that cannot be applied to all so-called "hispanics", but many of them do feel that way and many do vote republican.

Don't make the mistake of lumping all "hispanics" together.

If by "Many" you mean "a few Cubans in Miami who want to stick it to Castro", then yes.  But generally speaking, the majority of Hispanics vote Democratic.


www.dailyracingrag.com
  Hey, Gringo, don't forget meee!
 
2013-07-01 11:47:51 PM
You know, if there was a job offer that I knew I could get in Europe that would pay me Handsomely right out of the gate, I would not wait to immigrate there. I would hop on a plane and go there right the fark now, and try to immigrate while I was there, or do it for as long as possible. I think most Americans would not wait the long process in this same situation.
 
2013-07-01 11:50:19 PM

Zeppelininthesky: I hope you like $5.00 tomatoes and $7.00 oranges.


I hate to break this to you, but you're paying $5 for tomatoes and $7 for oranges already, just in the form of social services that illegals are using up.  You pay in your property taxes, your federal income tax in SNAP benefits and when you use the ER or your health insurance.

If you're a disabled veteran, or a natural-born American who is down on their luck and actually needs a helping hand, I feel bad for you - you now have 11-20M people who are competing for resources right along side you.

If 11 million people just decided to stop paying taxes, the IRS would be all over them
If 11 million people decided to convert their AR-15s to select-fire, the ATF would be all over them
If 11 million people decided they didn't want to buy health insurance, the HHS would be all over them
but 11 million illegals?  Thats way too many people!  What are we gonna do?

Infernalist: If I'm selling you stuff and bob decides to not buy stuff from me and instead gives his money to someone else who isn't buying stuff from me....I don't actually lose anything.


You dont - but if that person isn't buying anything, you dont need as many people to work in your store or produce your widgets.

sendtodave: Things have always been difficult for people wanting to immigrate to the US, so by gum, they should always be difficult!


It should be easy.
Criteria should be at least a HS equivalency, a basic English test, a job, 5 years of no criminal history and NO violent crime at all. Fast track for those who have college degrees, or start a business and hire n employees in a certain time period.  I should take no more than 5 years, or 2-3 for those who meet fast-track criteria for full citizenship.

For the people who are here, have a job or are in school, are 5-years crime free with no violent offenses and are not on public assistance, your time starts now.  If you dont have a job, you have 6 months to find one. If you have a criminal history, come back when its been 5 years.

I dont care that my Neighbor might be brown - I just want my neighbor to be an American
 
2013-07-01 11:51:27 PM

Lackofname: You know, if there was a job offer that I knew I could get in Europe that would pay me Handsomely right out of the gate, I would not wait to immigrate there. I would hop on a plane and go there right the fark now, and try to immigrate while I was there, or do it for as long as possible. I think most Americans would not wait the long process in this same situation.


Yeah, but Americans aren't shifty-eyed, lazy drug addicted murderers and thieves, out to steal some Frenchies daughters....... Oh wait....
 
2013-07-01 11:54:04 PM

o5iiawah: I hate to break this to you, but you're paying $5 for tomatoes and $7 for oranges already, just in the form of social services that illegals are using up.


Citation needed.
 
2013-07-01 11:54:49 PM

Nadie_AZ: I've been saying this for years. Nobody listens.


Yes, lets Nation-build some more and line the pockets of politicians who are almost all on the take with organized crime.  That has worked splendidly in the past and I dont see any way that could go wrong.
 
2013-07-02 12:01:04 AM
www.askjohnchatman.com
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OT, and apologies to bwilson27 here , but I couldn't help but notice some similarities between these two...
 
2013-07-02 12:03:27 AM

o5iiawah: Nadie_AZ: I've been saying this for years. Nobody listens.

Yes, lets Nation-build some more and line the pockets of politicians who are almost all on the take with organized crime.  That has worked splendidly in the past and I dont see any way that could go wrong.


This. You would think my fellow Arizonian would be pretty savvy of this to begin with. What were you thinking, Nadie AZ?
 
2013-07-02 12:04:24 AM

Fart_Machine: Citation needed.


Good god, do I really have to explain this to you?

When an illegal immigrant walks into a store and buys things with food stamps, he does so with money that has been taxed away from the store and from regular citizens who pay income taxes at the federal level - something most illegals in an informal economy dont contribute into.  You as a taxpayer pay for your orange and the illegal's orange that he purchased with his SNAP card.

When the illegal immigrant gets sick and goes to the ER, there's a good chance he's going to leave without paying.  When you go to the hospital, the cost of your care also includes a portion of the unpaid ER visit.

And pretty much anything else you can think of that is a federal tax benefit.  Just because someone pays a local 6% sales tax doesn't mean they "Pay taxes" in the sense of a citizen or authorized worker who pays federal income tax does.  They draw the services but dont contribute.  Guess who has to contribute more to make up for it?
 
2013-07-02 12:06:58 AM

o5iiawah: Fart_Machine: Citation needed.

Good god, do I really have to explain this to you?

When an illegal immigrant walks into a store and buys things with food stamps, he does so with money that has been taxed away from the store and from regular citizens who pay income taxes at the federal level - something most illegals in an informal economy dont contribute into.  You as a taxpayer pay for your orange and the illegal's orange that he purchased with his SNAP card.

When the illegal immigrant gets sick and goes to the ER, there's a good chance he's going to leave without paying.  When you go to the hospital, the cost of your care also includes a portion of the unpaid ER visit.

And pretty much anything else you can think of that is a federal tax benefit.  Just because someone pays a local 6% sales tax doesn't mean they "Pay taxes" in the sense of a citizen or authorized worker who pays federal income tax does.  They draw the services but dont contribute.  Guess who has to contribute more to make up for it?


Poor, poor you?
 
2013-07-02 12:09:27 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally.


...Except for the part where the  only demographic being debated are people who were brought here as children with no say in breaking the law, probably speak no language besides English, and have no home to go to. So yeah. Let's punish people who were FORCED to break the law! That's ethical!
 
2013-07-02 12:10:09 AM

o5iiawah: Good god, do I really have to explain this to you?


No you might want to provide an actual citation apart from anecdotal evidence you got from some nativist hack site.
 
2013-07-02 12:10:32 AM

PsiChick: Almost Everybody Poops: A path to citizenship for those who are here illegally is a slap in the face to all of those who have played by the rules, stood in line, and waited patiently to immigrate legally.

...Except for the part where the  only demographic being debated are people who were brought here as children with no say in breaking the law, probably speak no language besides English, and have no home to go to. So yeah. Let's punish people who were FORCED to break the law! That's ethical!


Well yeah! They will probably vote democrat for sure!
 
2013-07-02 12:10:41 AM

Close2TheEdge: He's a lying fark.


i hope it didn't take this episode to learn this.

and btw ask him how that farm bill went. a speaker who can't shepherd a farm bill through the house isn't good for much anything.
 
2013-07-02 12:10:44 AM

o5iiawah: Zeppelininthesky: I hope you like $5.00 tomatoes and $7.00 oranges.

I hate to break this to you, but you're paying $5 for tomatoes and $7 for oranges already, just in the form of social services that illegals are using up.  You pay in your property taxes, your federal income tax in SNAP benefits and when you use the ER or your health insurance.


You are so full of shiat that your eyes must be brown. I'm on SNAP. To sign up, you need proof of citizenship, a social security number, the works.
 
2013-07-02 12:11:35 AM

bwilson27: Poor, poor you?


Can you read?  i wasn't complaining, just explaining that people who play the "But lettuce will be $5!!!" card are all morons who neglect to consider what they pay in social services to support people who dont contribute and draw.

I want nothing more than law-abiding people working and paying taxes legally in this country.  I want employers who hire under the table to be punished.  Unless you can find something I've posted to suggest otherwise, I'd suggest you drink dick
 
2013-07-02 12:11:43 AM

Lackofname: o5iiawah: Zeppelininthesky: I hope you like $5.00 tomatoes and $7.00 oranges.

I hate to break this to you, but you're paying $5 for tomatoes and $7 for oranges already, just in the form of social services that illegals are using up.  You pay in your property taxes, your federal income tax in SNAP benefits and when you use the ER or your health insurance.

You are so full of shiat that your eyes must be brown. I'm on SNAP. To sign up, you need proof of citizenship, a social security number, the works.


You must be wrong. The re:re:re:re e-mail he got told him otherwise.
 
2013-07-02 12:15:35 AM

Fart_Machine: No you might want to provide an actual citation apart from anecdotal evidence you got from some nativist hack site.


If you need me to explain that illegal immigrants dont contribute to the federal tax base yet are allowed to draw benefits off the tax base, you're playing in the wrong sandbox. No surprise - you show yourself pretty incapable of grasping simple crap like this more often than not.  Pejoratives and race-hustling are all you have.
 
2013-07-02 12:17:39 AM

o5iiawah: bwilson27: Poor, poor you?

Can you read?  i wasn't complaining, just explaining that people who play the "But lettuce will be $5!!!" card are all morons who neglect to consider what they pay in social services to support people who dont contribute and draw.

I want nothing more than law-abiding people working and paying taxes legally in this country.  I want employers who hire under the table to be punished.  Unless you can find something I've posted to suggest otherwise, I'd suggest you drink dick


Drink dick? You're suggesting that? What else would you recommend, eating shiat? Never tried it, myself.
 
2013-07-02 12:17:52 AM

o5iiawah: Fart_Machine: No you might want to provide an actual citation apart from anecdotal evidence you got from some nativist hack site.

If you need me to explain that illegal immigrants dont contribute to the federal tax base yet are allowed to draw benefits off the tax base, you're playing in the wrong sandbox. No surprise - you show yourself pretty incapable of grasping simple crap like this more often than not.  Pejoratives and race-hustling are all you have.


Wait, you're accusing me of race-hustling and pejoratives when you call people morons and say that illegals are living off the federal dole without offering any real citation to back up your accusations?  Typical.
 
2013-07-02 12:19:41 AM

Lackofname: hubiestubert: The one thing that is usually missing from these debates, are questions about what to do with employers.

Thing is, no one is interested in cracking down on those employers. Those employers' businesses are set up to depend on illegals, and many of those businesses are quite large (see agro businesses), and I'd bet you a dollar that most of those illegal-exploitation businesses Vote Republican.

Fining businesses that hire illegals is just like fining banks: no one wants to do it be cause lazy/corrupt/slap on the wrist.


Those businesses also probably contribute a lot of money to GOP election coffers. Thus the conundrum: the tension between racism and greed.
 
2013-07-02 12:22:02 AM
fusillade762:

Those businesses also probably contribute a lot of money to GOP election coffers. Thus the conundrum: the tension between racism and greed.

This, people, is the very heart of the whole entire issue. Argue all you want and use all the tired talking points, but THIS is the reality.
 
2013-07-02 12:22:30 AM

SecretAgentWoman: If they don't pass it, current citizens of Hispanic descent will vote Democrat in the next election.

If they DO pass it, current and future citizens of Hispanic descent will vote Democrat in future elections.

Republicans are just hosed for this demographic for the foreseeable future.

/I'm ok with that


So you're saying that they may as well not pass it.

/I'm ok with that
 
2013-07-02 12:23:04 AM
 
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