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(The Big Story)   NYC would prefer if its Bike Share riders weren't open-minded   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 69
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2013-07-01 05:52:02 PM  
Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.
 
2013-07-01 06:32:10 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


It's still early in the thread.
 
2013-07-01 06:32:31 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


I'll bet the same percentage holds true for gunshots, drunk driving and drownings.
 
2013-07-01 06:32:37 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


Sounds like a good start.
 
2013-07-01 06:32:38 PM  
#1, if you keep the volume to "11" that bicyle riding is certain death unless you have a bit of foam on your head, fewer people ride bicycles, leading to #2:
#2 [chart of obesity and cardiac death rates from sedentary lifestyle.png]
And #3: velojoy.com
 
2013-07-01 06:35:42 PM  
Next story: Dude injured, sues NYC for not requiring helmets on bike share program.
 
2013-07-01 06:36:32 PM  
32,000 Americans died last year in motor vehicle accidents. That doesn't include the 600,000 deaths from heart disease -- of which a primary cause is a lack of a healthy lifestyle, one of which is daily exercise.
 
2013-07-01 06:37:11 PM  
Same deal in Montreal on our Bixi bikes. People I see wearing helmets also have earbuds on. Yeah, that helps, cutting off one of your senses.
 
2013-07-01 06:38:42 PM  
gicl.cs.drexel.edu
 
2013-07-01 06:39:49 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.



Were they head injuries that might've been prevented with a helmet?
 
2013-07-01 06:40:35 PM  
You're more likely to die of murder in the US than by cycling in the Netherlands.

farm2.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-01 06:41:48 PM  
sf.streetsblog.org
 
2013-07-01 06:41:54 PM  
This holds true for almost anywhere.  As bicycle use goes up, crash rates go down. And not just crash rates, but crash incidents do not increase with more riders on the road.
bikeportland.org
 
2013-07-01 06:43:11 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


Of that percentage, how many were killed from head injuries?
 
2013-07-01 06:47:40 PM  
I wear a helmet when I'm riding my own bike, but when I used DC bikeshare, it was always a substitute for walking, and who walks around carrying a helmet?
 
2013-07-01 06:48:18 PM  

StopLurkListen: 32,000 Americans died last year in motor vehicle accidents. That doesn't include the 600,000 deaths from heart disease -- of which a primary cause is a lack of a healthy lifestyle, one of which is daily exercise.


yabbut how many wore Bike Helmets? wear Bike Helmet, live forever.
 
2013-07-01 06:51:13 PM  

mbillips: I wear a helmet when I'm riding my own bike, but when I used DC bikeshare, it was always a substitute for walking, and who walks around carrying a helmet?


Plus I wouldn't wear a public helmet. Ew. Just...farking ew.
 
2013-07-01 06:52:29 PM  
maybe they should join Scientology
 
2013-07-01 06:55:47 PM  
The last thing I wanted to wear riding my Citibike around Central Park was a helmet. So, I didn't. It was great.

Dear helmet law advocates: stop giving the Sarah Palins of the world over-intrusive-govt. ammunition.
 
2013-07-01 06:56:32 PM  
next up- Helmet Share Program
 
2013-07-01 07:03:43 PM  
If I were to use a bike share I'd rather use no helmet than a shared one.
 
2013-07-01 07:06:36 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


97% were not wearing purple socks, either.

MANDATORY PURPLE SOCK LAWS, NOW!
 
jvl
2013-07-01 07:07:11 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


I can since I understand basic math.

That statistic is meaningless unless you tell me what percentage of riders wear helmets and unless you study the difference in helmet use between safe versus reckless bikers.  For example, if only 3% of reckless bikers use helmets, then your statistic proves that helmets have no effect on safety.

Also, you failed to tell us the absolute number of fatalities, and the region in which this occurred. For example, if there were 100 deaths worldwide in those ten years among several billion bike trips, then I'd say that helmets are not worth the effort. Better to spend those billions on food for the hungry rather than helmets which will only save 97 lives.

Yeah I wear a helmet because I judge it is probably worth the effort. But your statistic is moronic.

/ 97% of heart attack victims has eaten lettuce during the previous year
// Therefore lettuce causes heart attacks
 
2013-07-01 07:12:06 PM  
Please force me to wear a helmet while bicycling, pretty please.  I am one final straw from giving up on exercise completely and just staying in the house with the glorious AC and letting diabetes farking kill me slowly while I suck on the government tit that you will pay taxes to provide.  Please please force me to wear a helmet, yes let me die slowly from sloth instead of hurting myself in any way while biking around town.

farking do it, I farking dare you.
 
2013-07-01 07:15:13 PM  

StopLurkListen: #1, if you keep the volume to "11" that bicyle riding is certain death unless you have a bit of foam on your head, fewer people ride bicycles, leading to #2:
#2 [chart of obesity and cardiac death rates from sedentary lifestyle.png]
And #3: [velojoy.com image 656x429]


There's also some evidence that #1 is a self-perpetuating problem:

Three published analyses of collision rates at specific intersections found a non-linear relationship, such that collisions rates declined with increases in the numbers of people walking or bicycling. (PDF Warning)
 
2013-07-01 07:19:14 PM  

IrateShadow: StopLurkListen: #1, if you keep the volume to "11" that bicyle riding is certain death unless you have a bit of foam on your head, fewer people ride bicycles, leading to #2:
#2 [chart of obesity and cardiac death rates from sedentary lifestyle.png]
And #3: [velojoy.com image 656x429]

There's also some evidence that #1 is a self-perpetuating problem:

Three published analyses of collision rates at specific intersections found a non-linear relationship, such that collisions rates declined with increases in the numbers of people walking or bicycling. (PDF Warning)


When you get used to looking to make sure there isn't a bike or pedestrian that you are about to hit, you're going to hit less of them.
 
2013-07-01 07:21:16 PM  

StopLurkListen:


The thing you're overlooking shiathead is that the Dutch have sheltered bikes-only bike lanes, while herein the States bikes have to share the road with autos. Even where there are bike lanes they're never protected from auto traffic.
 
2013-07-01 07:21:31 PM  
Should motorists be required to wear a helmet? A hundred people a day die in car crashes, just in the U.S. Brain trauma is a major cause of those deaths. How many of those lives would be saved if all motorists wore helmets?

Even if the number is just one, don't you think it's worth a little helmet hair to save a live every day?

Me neither.
 
2013-07-01 07:22:13 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

If you are a functional retard, and have no concept of how statistics work, then You can't argue with that.

 
2013-07-01 07:22:39 PM  
Kidding aside, no bike share program requires helmets. How could they? Who owns a bike helmet but no bike?

What a stupid non-issue.
 
2013-07-01 07:26:22 PM  
There's a certain number of people who are always going to ride like assholes and probably crash their bikes into people.

When overall bike ridership is low, these people are very noticeable.  As ridership increases, they become less common and more anomalous seeming.
 
2013-07-01 07:32:11 PM  
If you want people to be really safe while riding force them to wear a collar made out of shotgun shells that explodes if they decelerate too fast.
 
2013-07-01 07:34:42 PM  
I'd think the high ridership and fees offset the cost of a lawsuit, but I'm not a lawyer. I just pretend to be on Fark.
 
2013-07-01 07:37:28 PM  

Captain Horatio Mindblower: Should motorists be required to wear a helmet? A hundred people a day die in car crashes, just in the U.S. Brain trauma is a major cause of those deaths. How many of those lives would be saved if all motorists wore helmets?

Even if the number is just one, don't you think it's worth a little helmet hair to save a live every day?

Me neither.


Walking has similar rates of head injury per mile traveled to bicycling. Are there pedestrian fatalities? What percentage of them were wearing a protective helmet? A serious accident may be unlikely, but why take the risk? Probably most of those unhelmeted pedestrians are daredevils or suicidal.
 
2013-07-01 07:46:56 PM  
No nutters like helmet law nutters.

Just wear it you crackpots. Yeah it makes you look like a goofball, but it protects your noodle.

Same deal with seatbelts in cars. Just put it on and don't be such a douchebag.
 
2013-07-01 07:54:01 PM  
How the Dutch can even ride bikes, with those giant wooden shoes, is beyond me.
 
2013-07-01 07:54:19 PM  

spamdog: No nutters like helmet law nutters.

Just wear it you crackpots. Yeah it makes you look like a goofball, but it protects your noodle.

Same deal with seatbelts in cars. Just put it on and don't be such a douchebag.


Did you take the vitamins I take today?
 
2013-07-01 07:57:47 PM  

Yogimus: notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

If you are a functional retard, and have no concept of how statistics work, then You can't argue with that.


Is that why you didn't argue?
 
2013-07-01 07:58:19 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: StopLurkListen:

The thing you're overlooking shiathead is that the Dutch have sheltered bikes-only bike lanes, while herein the States bikes have to share the road with autos. Even where there are bike lanes they're never protected from auto traffic.


What's your point, asshole? Why can't the US do something similar in larger cities? What would be so awful as to convert a few roads into one way streets for vehicle traffic, and reserve the other lane for bicycle traffic? Here in Salt Lake they already have a few one-way streets in the downtown area that are three or four lanes wide. Block off one lane for bikes to make it safer for all of us.
 
2013-07-01 08:01:12 PM  

Euell Gibbons: How the Dutch can even ride bikes, with those giant wooden shoes, is beyond me.


It's sabotage (see definition).
 
2013-07-01 08:15:56 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: StopLurkListen:

The thing you're overlooking shiathead is that the Dutch have sheltered bikes-only bike lanes, while herein the States bikes have to share the road with autos. Even where there are bike lanes they're never protected from auto traffic.


Never? Maybe not in your city, but Portland has separated cycle track lanes and a number of trails that are bike/pedestrian only.
 
2013-07-01 08:16:46 PM  

powhound: Dwight_Yeast: StopLurkListen:

The thing you're overlooking shiathead is that the Dutch have sheltered bikes-only bike lanes, while herein the States bikes have to share the road with autos. Even where there are bike lanes they're never protected from auto traffic.

What's your point, asshole? Why can't the US do something similar in larger cities? What would be so awful as to convert a few roads into one way streets for vehicle traffic, and reserve the other lane for bicycle traffic? Here in Salt Lake they already have a few one-way streets in the downtown area that are three or four lanes wide. Block off one lane for bikes to make it safer for all of us.


There are hundreds of streets in Manhatten.  Generally speaking...

Numbered Avenues run North-South with even numbers running South
Numbered Avenues run North-South with odd numbers running North
Numbered Streets run East-West with even numbers running East
Numbered Streets run East-West with odd numbers running West
Most Avenues are numbered
Most Streets are numbered

Tell us again how some of the streets should be made one way.
 
2013-07-01 08:18:17 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


There are more bikes in the Netherlands than people someone told me. The oddest thing I saw there, just this May, was that NOBODY wore a helmet. Not kids in seat carriers, nor young children, teenagers, or adults riding their own bikes. I didn't see ONE person wearing a helmet. I asked someone at co-locate facility why that was. The answer, in truth, was very simple.

There, if you smack a bike rider (obeying the law) and injure them with a car or truck, forget it. You'll probably never drive again, and be poor. The reverse? Bikes are 'vehicles' there. This means the riders *must* obey their rules or they will be up the creek.
 
2013-07-01 08:18:39 PM  

notmtwain: Yogimus: notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

If you are a functional retard, and have no concept of how statistics work, then You can't argue with that.

Is that why you didn't argue?


No, I didn't argue because I still have a sore throat. FROM GOING DOWN ON YOUR MOM!
 
2013-07-01 08:28:23 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: powhound: Dwight_Yeast: StopLurkListen:

The thing you're overlooking shiathead is that the Dutch have sheltered bikes-only bike lanes, while herein the States bikes have to share the road with autos. Even where there are bike lanes they're never protected from auto traffic.

What's your point, asshole? Why can't the US do something similar in larger cities? What would be so awful as to convert a few roads into one way streets for vehicle traffic, and reserve the other lane for bicycle traffic? Here in Salt Lake they already have a few one-way streets in the downtown area that are three or four lanes wide. Block off one lane for bikes to make it safer for all of us.

There are hundreds of streets in Manhatten.  Generally speaking...

Numbered Avenues run North-South with even numbers running South
Numbered Avenues run North-South with odd numbers running North
Numbered Streets run East-West with even numbers running East
Numbered Streets run East-West with odd numbers running West
Most Avenues are numbered
Most Streets are numbered

Tell us again how some of the streets should be made one way.


Just like in SLC - the church illicitly influences the city to sell it several of the streets, then the church procedes to do with them as it pleases - including making them one-way or completely closed with security guards to enforce a "behavior code".

Don't you guys do that in Manhattan?
 
2013-07-01 08:35:32 PM  

notmtwain: Still, in 97 percent of bike fatalities from 1996 to 2005, the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

You can't argue with that.


No, but you can ask meaningful questions.

Tell me how many died of head injuries.
What's the death rate for bare-headed and helmeted accident victims?
 
2013-07-01 09:10:47 PM  
There were several studies a while back for motorcycle helmet safety rates.  They show that even at accidents that occur below 20 mph, not wearing a helmet results in horrific injury and death at something like a 1:10 ratio or worse.

Then someone actually looked at where the raw numbers came from, and it turns out that this is self-selective behavior.  The safer riders preferred to wear helmets, thus their accidents tended to be infrequent and minor, while the more reckless and poor-decision making riders tended to be involved in much more serious accidents.  The study was expanded to show that this self-selective behavior extends to the model of motorcycle you chose to ride as well - people who pick fast plastic racing bikes tend to get in more accidents, have more traffic violations, etc.

Insurance companies have actually known this for years, it's part of why they charge more for different models than others.

I'd guess something similar occurs with pedal-powered bikes too.
 
2013-07-01 09:18:08 PM  
Has anyone here had any experiance with MIPS helmets? I am thinking about getting one of the Burtons firnext snowboarding season.
 
2013-07-01 09:46:28 PM  
1) Will your health/life insurance cover your injury/death in a bike accident if you're not wearing a helmet as recommended by every bike manufacturer, even if not required by law?

2) If you're willing to take that chance with your brain, carry on.

3) But yeah, public helmets...ewwwww...
 
2013-07-01 09:51:37 PM  
I think the Bike Sharing program here in NYC is awesome, frankly.  The stations seem to be very convinently located and getting better month by month.  Its even offered in Brooklyn.  Its very successful in London for the same reasons it will be successful here.

Best idea Bloomberg has had yet.
 
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