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(SFGate)   Faulty, irreplaceable rods that were inspected prior to being sealed in the bowels of a $6.4 billion bridge project may not actually have been inspected after all   (sfgate.com) divider line 98
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2013-07-01 02:58:58 PM  
IN ROD WE TRUST
 
2013-07-01 03:18:01 PM  
Nothing to worry about. It sounds like it will only be a problem if there's an earthquake.
 
2013-07-01 03:19:18 PM  
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2013-07-01 03:20:39 PM  
The question is, have they tested it for steroids?
 
2013-07-01 03:32:47 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Nothing to worry about. It sounds like it will only be a problem if there's an earthquake.


This.

It's not like the bridge will be exposed to a corrosive environment.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-01 03:34:07 PM  
Caltrans officials acknowledged in interviews that they have no proof that the resident engineer performed that final review. Land said that may be in documentation the agency can't find.

I've heard similar excuses from my state government -- the paperwork exists but we can't find it -- when it is likely the real reason is no responsible engineer would put his license on the line by signing the paperwork.
 
2013-07-01 03:34:23 PM  
Yes, there was an awful lot of trust in the performance of those rods.
 
2013-07-01 03:36:49 PM  

legion_of_doo: Yes, there was an awful lot of trust in the performance of those rods.


If only there were some way to enhance their performance. . .
 
2013-07-01 03:46:10 PM  
Sounds like someone is going to take a rod in the bowels....
 
2013-07-01 04:58:46 PM  

HighOnCraic: The question is, have they tested it for steroids?


How do you know these are A-rods?
 
2013-07-01 05:20:43 PM  

SmackLT: HighOnCraic: The question is, have they tested it for steroids?

How do you know these are A-rods?


They snap under tension
 
2013-07-01 05:53:20 PM  
Soon, it will be a bridge to nowhere.
 
2013-07-01 06:09:54 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Soon, it will be a bridge to nowhere.


If you're headed toward the Oakland side, it already is
 
2013-07-01 06:25:26 PM  
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2013-07-01 06:27:59 PM  
No way I'm going on that bridge.

At least we have BART to go across the Bay, right?
 
2013-07-01 06:37:15 PM  

ZAZ: Caltrans officials acknowledged in interviews that they have no proof that the resident engineer performed that final review. Land said that may be in documentation the agency can't find.

I've heard similar excuses from my state government -- the paperwork exists but we can't find it -- when it is likely the real reason is no responsible engineer would put his license on the line by signing the paperwork.


Eh.  Done DOT work.  I'm willing to bet those weren't ordered until CALTRANS approved and inspected the plant and they weren't unloaded from the truck until an inspector looked at them and was handed the material certs.
 
2013-07-01 06:38:32 PM  

legion_of_doo: No way I'm going on that bridge.

At least we have BART to go across the Bay, right?


Heh.
 
2013-07-01 06:42:12 PM  
Same thing happened with the Brooklyn Bridge. It's still standing.

Of course they built the fark out of that bridge. it would probably still stand without any cables at all.
 
2013-07-01 06:47:21 PM  
Done in 1.  And 3 was spot on as well.
 
2013-07-01 06:47:42 PM  

Mobius strip of human stupidity: Same thing happened with the Brooklyn Bridge. It's still standing.

Of course they built the fark out of that bridge. it would probably still stand without any cables at all.


What is all the work they're doing on it now?
 
2013-07-01 06:53:56 PM  

Burning_Monk: legion_of_doo: No way I'm going on that bridge.

At least we have BART to go across the Bay, right?

Heh.


Giant slingshot it is, then!
 
2013-07-01 06:56:04 PM  

PumpkinCake: Mobius strip of human stupidity: Same thing happened with the Brooklyn Bridge. It's still standing.

Of course they built the fark out of that bridge. it would probably still stand without any cables at all.

What is all the work they're doing on it now?


No idea. But I just purchased a big piece that fell off the Williamsburgh Bridge last month.  That bridge is much newer than the Brooklyn bridge and nearly ready to become an artificial reef.
 
2013-07-01 06:58:27 PM  

Mobius strip of human stupidity: Same thing happened with the Brooklyn Bridge. It's still standing.

Of course they built the fark out of that bridge. it would probably still stand without any cables at all.


The reason for this $6.4 billion project on the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge was to upgrade the bridge's ability to withstand a seismic event (and also as a grandiose plan of Mayors Willie Brown & Jerry Brown to have a "signature span" rather than some more pedestrian public works effort on this part of the bridge with the problem rods).

The hydrogen embrittlement kind of hurts the whole "seismic upgrade" deal.

/In the end, it's time for us California taxpayers to bend over and take it like the idiots that we are.
 
2013-07-01 07:06:09 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: SmackLT: HighOnCraic: The question is, have they tested it for steroids?

How do you know these are A-rods?

They snap under tension


I thought it was they collapse under pressure
 
2013-07-01 07:06:20 PM  
Yea, that bridge will be okay.

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2013-07-01 07:06:42 PM  
How do you know if the torque wrenches were calibrated?
 
2013-07-01 07:07:48 PM  
legion_of_doo:

/In the end, it's time for us California taxpayers to bend over and take it like the idiots that we are.

I vote for even higher bridge tolls!  Right?
 
2013-07-01 07:08:44 PM  
I Like Where This Bridge is Going...
 
Ral
2013-07-01 07:13:53 PM  
So what else is new.  This whole project has been one stupid mess after another.  It's already killed one construction worker.
 
2013-07-01 07:15:28 PM  
The galvanizing plant I work at does state and Federal DOT standard stuff all the time, and I've never seen an inspector.  We have a QA guy trained to do the mil readings (the zinc thickness after galvanizing) and that's it.
 
2013-07-01 07:17:47 PM  

Ral: So what else is new.  This whole project has been one stupid mess after another.  It's already killed one construction worker.


This shows how far we've come when one worker death on a project this size is unexpected.  When the Golden Gate bridge was built they expected 1 worker death for every million a project of that size cost.
 
2013-07-01 07:19:11 PM  

legion_of_doo: embrittlement


A perfectly cromulent word.
 
2013-07-01 07:20:10 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Nothing to worry about. It sounds like it will only be a problem if there's an earthquake.


Yeah, there is an awful lot of hand-waving in that article that amounts to, "Califronia. An earthquake. HA HA HA HA."
 
2013-07-01 07:21:18 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: The galvanizing plant I work at does state and Federal DOT standard stuff all the time, and I've never seen an inspector.  We have a QA guy trained to do the mil readings (the zinc thickness after galvanizing) and that's it.


That's funny. I'm sure we (the state of California) have paid engineers on staff to do inspections & shiat. You'd think that with a $6+ billion project on a bridge, they'd try to do things by the book.

/At least Mayors Brown (Willie & Jerry) got a true signature span, symbolizing the greatness of their legacy in Oakland & San Francisco.
 
2013-07-01 07:24:45 PM  
Blue state FTW
 
2013-07-01 07:31:12 PM  
I live right next to the San Mateo Bridge, so I'm getting a kick out of the Bay Bridge drama.

Also, apparently the rods were US made steel, while the rest of the expansion was made with that dirty communist Chinese steel that certain folks in the Bay Area (that didn't get a slice of the import fees) were all up in arms about and protesting as inferior and untested.

/Irony, how does it work?
 
2013-07-01 07:31:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Eh.  Done DOT work.  I'm willing to bet those weren't ordered until CALTRANS approved and inspected the plant and they weren't unloaded from the truck until an inspector looked at them and was handed the material certs.


It's not just that they can't find the paperwork documenting the on-site inspections; the manufacturers themselves said that Caltrans never sent inspectors, and presumably there are no records of any Caltrans employees traveling to the plants (plane ticket/hotel reimbursements, email references), or Caltrans inspectors who can recall anyone inspecting the plants. Six years ago is recent enough that at least circumstantial evidence of inspections should exist. I remember plant visits from 20 years ago. Maybe you're right, but the Caltrans flack sounds too thoroughly upbeat and confident to be believable.
 
2013-07-01 07:32:00 PM  
FTFA " Land also said that he's confident the documentation exists somewhere to prove the inspections were done, but that Caltrans simply can't find it.  "


In the real world. "We are going to wait until one of our inspectors dies and then we are going to suddenly find the missing paperwork with his signature on it."
 
2013-07-01 07:32:31 PM  

stirfrybry: Blue state FTW


Oh, come on now...it could be normal, apolitical incompetence.
 
2013-07-01 07:37:32 PM  
Did they go to the Montreal Institute for Crappy Construction, Incompetence, Bureaucracy, and Corrupt Practices of Quebec? That's a world-class institute.
 
2013-07-01 07:39:53 PM  
With 2300 of them installed, do they seriously not have a few spares lying around that can be tested?
 
2013-07-01 07:41:37 PM  

PizzaJedi81: stirfrybry: Blue state FTW

Oh, come on now...it could be normal, apolitical incompetence.


I'd vote for incompetence. It's a bridge, not a gay homeless shelter or a monument to Jeebus.

That being said, the whole "signature span" dream of Mayors Brown took a $200 million project & turned it into a $6.4 million project, which also doesn't seem to work.

Lack of oversight is hardly limited to the Democrats, though, even though this is the Bay Area we are talking about.

/At least it will look unique when it's finished, whenever that happens to be!
 
2013-07-01 07:45:23 PM  
Ah yes.

Under-design and under-inspected does make for some interesting predicaments.

/Worst under-design. The upper floor stairwells on the WTC. Drywall. You know, so they could build higher.
 
2013-07-01 07:50:04 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: With 2300 of them installed, do they seriously not have a few spares lying around that can be tested?


This article says 14 samples were tested, with 5 being below standard. Also, "In the field, however, 33 of the 96 rods failed."

And the old article says that the rods weren't treated with hydrochloric acid prior to zinc coating, but the new article says that the rods were treated with HCl by one of the subcontractors.

Ooops.

/Time to spend more taxpayer money!
 
2013-07-01 07:52:11 PM  
Come on, people, it's not like we've been working on this bridge since 1989 or anything.

Oh, what's that? Really? Oh shiat...
 
2013-07-01 07:54:08 PM  

fusillade762: legion_of_doo: embrittlement

A perfectly cromulent word.


As a materials scientist, yes it is. Hydrogen embrittlement is bad juju for metals.
 
2013-07-01 07:55:07 PM  
It's okay. We didn't tighten them up that much.

Snicker.
 
2013-07-01 07:58:25 PM  

PizzaJedi81: stirfrybry: Blue state FTW

Oh, come on now...it could be normal, apolitical incompetence.


Nope. It's only incompetence if Democrats do it.
 
2013-07-01 07:59:18 PM  

fusillade762: PizzaJedi81: stirfrybry: Blue state FTW

Oh, come on now...it could be normal, apolitical incompetence.

Nope. It's only incompetence if Democrats do it.


And when Repulicans do it...it's interference from Dems, right?
 
2013-07-01 08:00:34 PM  

PizzaJedi81: fusillade762: PizzaJedi81: stirfrybry: Blue state FTW

Oh, come on now...it could be normal, apolitical incompetence.

Nope. It's only incompetence if Democrats do it.

And when Repulicans do it...it's interference from Dems, right?


No, it's sound business practice.
 
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