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(Slate)   Hey, anyone else noticed that the only thing Progressives seem to care about anymore is gay marriage?   (slate.com) divider line 196
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2013-07-01 01:05:32 PM  
But before you go all happy-dance, though, put your Champagne down for a second, because these decisions raise a profound question: What's left? Not only as in "what's next?" but more importantly as in "what else should the left stand for?" While progressives were devoting deserved attention to gay rights, they simultaneously turned their backs on much of what they once believed. This raises a critical question: what does it even mean to be left anymore?

Weapons-grade concern trolling.
 
2013-07-01 01:11:02 PM  
So all those Occupy Wall Street protestors were Conservative???
 
2013-07-01 01:12:12 PM  

Pincy: So all those Occupy Wall Street protestors were Conservative???


Exactly! See now you're getting it.
 
2013-07-01 01:12:51 PM  
Honey, I'm just going to pop down to the Fear-Monger's and pick up some fresh Concerns. I'll check if he's got any specials in the outrage-dujour section, too.
 
2013-07-01 01:17:39 PM  
There's also turning America into a commifascistcaliphate with homobortions for all
 
2013-07-01 01:33:32 PM  
www.thedetroitbureau.com
"WTF are you going on about now, Submittard?"
 
2013-07-01 01:39:27 PM  
I can see how someone might think that...if they grew up in a cave and thinks the shadows on the wall are real people.
 
2013-07-01 01:39:33 PM  
economic equality? pffft!
climate change? meh.
women's rights? lulz.
minority and immigrant rights? ha!
foreign policy? yeah, right!

yup - it looks as if progressives only care about gay rights!
 
2013-07-01 01:41:06 PM  
I swear, conservatives talk about gay sex more than most gays that I know.
 
2013-07-01 01:49:57 PM  
Progressives know they're going to win that one.
 
2013-07-01 01:51:55 PM  

Weaver95: I swear, conservatives talk about gay sex more than most gays that I know.


More than all of the gays I know. And those queens talk about sex a lot.
 
2013-07-01 01:52:29 PM  

Weaver95: I swear, conservatives talk about gay sex more than most gays that I know.


This.  My mom recently went back to Catholicism... and she's gone full-on.  I've never heard someone so concerned about other people's sexuality.  It has zero impact on her yet should couldn't quit talking about it.  Seemed really strange.
 
2013-07-01 02:08:22 PM  

FlashHarry: economic equality? pffft!
climate change? meh.
women's rights? lulz.
minority and immigrant rights? ha!
foreign policy? yeah, right!

yup - it looks as if progressives only care about gay rights!


All those rights are certainly gay, amirite Broseph?
 
2013-07-01 02:08:24 PM  
Interestingly enough, numbers of representatives in positions to do anything about the causes progressives care about have also fallen to a razor-thin amount. nt's almost as if progressives still care, but the scope of the conversation has shifted so far to the right because of absolute message control that to be a liberal or progressive is actually frowned upon in America by a mainstream audience.

Weird.
 
2013-07-01 02:10:17 PM  
Subby (and TFA's author) may be myopic, but I recall three things our Progressive lingerie was all a-twist over, just last week:
-gay marriage
-rollback of the VRA
-abortion (Wendy Davis givin' Texass what-fer; and the resulting shenaniganry of the TX legislature/Rick Perry)

Now, the first may have gotten all the attention, but those other two definitely made the radar. There's also the Occupy movement (which hasn't been hot in weeks)/the age-old argument about tax rates (oh, but we did get the top bracket rolled back, so that's something - shouldn't we just shut up now?), the austerity-vs-investment argument, gun control was in the news recently, Bloomberg's soda ban is still getting traffic to the derp-sites for some reason (so that's more of an anit-Progressive thing, but I'm counting it).

// Progressive lingerie comes in a variety of styles and coverages
 
2013-07-01 02:11:59 PM  
netizencain:  My mom recently went back to Catholicism... and she's gone full-on.  I've never heard someone so concerned about other people's sexuality.  It has zero impact on her yet should couldn't quit talking about it.

And yet, paradoxically enough, your mom's sexuality has a big impact on at least 75% of TFers!

/sorry
 
2013-07-01 02:15:38 PM  

exick: Weaver95: I swear, conservatives talk about gay sex more than most gays that I know.

More than all of the gays I know. And those queens talk about sex a lot.


Who wants to live forever?
 
2013-07-01 02:30:43 PM  
Progressives care about lots of things: occupy wall street, immigration, health care. But gay marriage is a civil rights issue, which means it has to rank highly on the progressive agenda. Also, progress is being made... which means its a very exciting area to focus. And finally, progressives know that it drives conservatives crazy that gay marriage is happening whether the like it or not. So we are giving it that little extra support because we know it drives conservative extra insane. In fact, if conservaties derail the immigration reform... I'm starting Latinos for Gay Marriage out of Spite. An organization dedicated to getting Latinos (many who may otherwise be against gay marriage becuase they are catholic) to support gay marriage just to get back at conservaties.
 
2013-07-01 02:35:15 PM  
Hey, anyone else noticed that the only thing Conservatives seem to care about anymore is whining?
 
2013-07-01 02:54:27 PM  
Gay Marriage had a huge upswell in public support, a major vote coming in the Supreme Court, and a lot of good PR surrounding it - it made sense to milk it for all it's worth.

I don't think that we ever stopped supporting the other causes, but gay marriage had a lot of bang for the buck.

Now it's time to find the next thing - women's reproductive rights, immigration, marijuana legalization, and voting rights all have potential.  I'd love to see a stand against the pervasive surveillance state and some teeth put back into interpretations of the 4th amendment, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
 
2013-07-01 03:04:23 PM  
Progressives want to see gay marriage because the conservatives pretty much have the "man-on-man-restroom-sex-followed-by-a-rinse-and-spit" demographic covered.
 
2013-07-01 03:13:49 PM  
Found her on Ashley Madison. We're taking it slow, naturally.

www.ecology.com
 
2013-07-01 03:37:09 PM  
That's because the gay lobby in the progressive movement is the only one with balls to get anything done.
 
2013-07-01 03:37:31 PM  
Don't worry.  Just wait until we get closer to the next election and round of voter ID laws.  You'll see progressives so concerned about minority voting rights that you'll be looking around for firetrucks shooting water at protestors and Klan members burning down churches.
 
2013-07-01 03:38:05 PM  
That's quite a straw man argument you've got there... it'd be a shame if someone had to point out that it's complete and utter bulls***.
 
2013-07-01 03:40:05 PM  
But before you go all happy-dance, though, put your Champagne down for a second, because these decisions raise a profound question: What's left? Not only as in "what's next?" but more importantly as in "what else should the left stand for?" While progressives were devoting deserved attention to gay rights, they simultaneously turned their backs on much of what they once believed. This raises a critical question: what does it even mean to be left anymore?

It's very simple.  If you are not a Tea Party Republican, you are an extreme-left Progressive Liberal Commie.
 
2013-07-01 03:40:50 PM  
The author answered his own question, but it took him to the second page ...

"At bottom, though, the reason gay marriage stuck while everything else fell away had to do with winning elections. Abortion, the death penalty, gun control, economic injustice, all that stuff was fraught enough to make you just want to triangulate. Abortion clinics don't poll well. Good grief, even access to primary health care polls poorly. And those issues are as popular as plums compared with the rights of death row inmates and freedom from religious coercion. By 2008, on the other hand, gay marriage was becoming acceptable enough to pose a puzzle for the Republicans. Increasingly bipartisan, it was safe. Is it any wonder that the only other issues the left wholeheartedly and unequivocally embraced were electing the country's first black man as president, and immigration reform? Those were about winning elections too. The left would not have been nearly as excited about electing an African-American if he were a Republican. And amnesty for millions of unlawful immigrants promises eventually to put an end to the modern-day GOP."
 
2013-07-01 03:41:45 PM  
Wow, I can't believe when an issue receives a major vote and step that the current attention would be put on that more than other issues for a time. What a crazy concept!

Does this author also believe that a driver who responds to the check engine light in the car is also turning his back on the gas amount and tire pressure?
 
2013-07-01 03:42:42 PM  
Wrong. We care about a lot of things - it's the right time to concentrate on this issue. The time for other issues will come - just like it did for universal suffrage, women's rights, civil rights, workers' rights.

We're nothing if not patient.
 
2013-07-01 03:42:58 PM  
Progressives also once believed that religious indoctrination in the public schools and in the public square was inappropriate and indefensible.
Once?  I'm pretty sure I'm still against teaching mythology as science.  Hell, fark's so solid in that belief that we've apparently even managed to drive back the Bevets.

Other points on the authors list of thing progressives don't care about: the poor, the criminal justice system, gun control, and abortion.  Slate, I realize you're not the most unpartisan place on the internet; but when did you start hiring WND rejects?
 
2013-07-01 03:45:58 PM  
And somehow, somewhere along the line, to be progressive also stopped meaning a commitment to help the poor.

Does the author have a short term memory disorder? There was quite a bit of progressive reaction to the attempts to cut food stamps in the past few weeks.
 
2013-07-01 03:46:00 PM  
Gay marriage is a huge issue for the Left because it's the first solid win progressives have had in a very long time.
 
2013-07-01 03:47:06 PM  
"That drunk driver just hit me with his car!"

"Jesus, what's your obsession with drunk drivers? From this I'll blindly assume that everyone remotely like you is only concerned with drunk drivers."
 
2013-07-01 03:48:07 PM  

Aarontology: There's also turning America into a commifascistcaliphate with homobortions for all


What about those of us who just want miniature homomerican flags?
 
2013-07-01 03:48:08 PM  
I skimmed through the article, and the author just seems intent on somehow making progressives feel badly for being on the right side of history.
 
2013-07-01 03:48:34 PM  
Because I am enjoying a jam sandwich right now, all I care about any more is jam sandwiches.
 
2013-07-01 03:48:37 PM  

SunsetLament: The author answered his own question, but it took him to the second page ...

"At bottom, though, the reason gay marriage stuck while everything else fell away had to do with winning elections."


The author is an idiot or trying to troll.

How many elected officials across this country campaigned for gay marriage? Just about ZERO. And the Supreme Court's decisions had nothing to do with elections, but with overturning bad laws passed by Congress and by the citizens of California.
 
2013-07-01 03:49:00 PM  

Weaver95: I swear, conservatives talk about gay sex more than most gays that I know.


What?  Gay people talk about things BESIDES sex?  Are you saying that they have more than one thing to think about in a damn day?

What's wrong with you, you silly person?  Why are you so silly?  Silly, silly, silly...
 
2013-07-01 03:49:16 PM  
Wow, what a crock of shiat that was.
 
2013-07-01 03:49:33 PM  
Hey, has anybody noticed that conservative teabaggers are suddenly concerned about the deficit, national debt, and unemployment?

Funny, that.
 
2013-07-01 03:51:12 PM  

imontheinternet: Gay marriage is a huge issue for the Left because it's the first solid win progressives have had in a very long time.


But do they have to keep pointing out that conservatives fought it tooth and nail, and continue to fight it? It makes them look bad, and that's not nice.
 
2013-07-01 03:52:37 PM  
It's because the gay marriage argument is the only one that has no effective rebuttal.

There is at least an argument or reasonable point of view against most other progressive causes.

It might be appropriate in the grand scheme of things that abortion be legal, but the pro life movement does have a point that you are ending (what they believe to be) a human life.

Global warming is real, and a concern, but the other side can point to true economic consequences of environmental regulation.

Income disparity is rising but taxes are already very progressive - what the appropriate amount of government forced wealth redistribution is something that can be argued over.

Eliminating guns would of course benefit society tremendously, but gun nuts have a point that trying to ban them will be extraordinarily difficult and at least temporarily result in only in those most likely to commit crimes possessing guns. Then there's that whole anachronistic 2nd amendment issue.

So on and so on.

Conversely, there isnt any reason to oppose gay marriage. Unless you are planning a wedding and are afraid of competition of reception halls, why would you care if two dudes get married?
 
2013-07-01 03:52:49 PM  

imontheinternet: Gay marriage is a huge issue for the Left because it's the first solid win progressives have had in a very long time.


Didn't we just get non-medicinal pot legalized in Colorado?  Is Obamacare really such a very long time ago?
 
2013-07-01 03:53:02 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hey, anyone else noticed that the only thing Conservatives seem to care about anymore is whining?


Yeah, I couldn't help noticing that myself.
 
2013-07-01 03:53:55 PM  
On most of those issues the progressive view has already won.  Right now they are fending off a counterattack from the reactionaries on abortion, voting, etc.  That requires a different type of focus and resources than doing something new.  Plus it doesn't really lend itself to big celebrations when you know another zombie wave is starting soon.
 
2013-07-01 03:54:15 PM  

SunsetLament: The author answered his own question, but it took him to the second page ...

"At bottom, though, the reason gay marriage stuck while everything else fell away had to do with winning elections. Abortion, the death penalty, gun control, economic injustice, all that stuff was fraught enough to make you just want to triangulate. Abortion clinics don't poll well. Good grief, even access to primary health care polls poorly. And those issues are as popular as plums compared with the rights of death row inmates and freedom from religious coercion. By 2008, on the other hand, gay marriage was becoming acceptable enough to pose a puzzle for the Republicans. Increasingly bipartisan, it was safe. Is it any wonder that the only other issues the left wholeheartedly and unequivocally embraced were electing the country's first black man as president, and immigration reform? Those were about winning elections too. <B>The left would not have  nearly as excited about electing an African-American if he were a Republican. And amnesty for millions of unlawful immigrants promises eventually to put an end to the modern-day GOP."

 
2013-07-01 03:54:30 PM  

Jake Havechek: Hey, has anybody noticed that conservative teabaggers are suddenly concerned about the deficit, national debt, and unemployment?

Funny, that.


Haven't noticed this, but I sure hear them feigning concern about those things a lot.
 
2013-07-01 03:54:50 PM  
So, if I see that if put 50,000 troops here rather than 30,000 there and 20,000 over there I can win this battle here rather than MAYBE win the other 2 battles there and over there.

Author assumed that 4th grade critical thinking couldn't outsmart him.  Author was wrong.
 
2013-07-01 03:55:26 PM  
Apparently the author wishes that progressives were more like the right wing howler monkeys who fill the airwaves with sound and fury every time Obama puts mustard on a hotdog.

// apparently the media has gone so far up its own ass that they imagine that most Americans care only abouy whatever dwrp is on the 24 hr "news" stations.
 
2013-07-01 03:55:26 PM  
They picked a battle they could win, and started winning it. Can't fault good sense.
 
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