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2013-07-01 06:23:23 PM

the money is in the banana stand: In regards to breast feeding in your opinion, as soon as your baby cries, you should be able to just start feeding them right there right?


Absolutes are dangerous, I would say breast feeding in the pool is a bad idea, but that pretty much is in line with my "no expelling bodily fluids in the pool" rule. But generally I think women should be able to breastfeed in any public place.

What about children who get hungry, can they now eat anywhere they want?

I bring snacks for the kids when we are out, if they are hungry generally they eat. Of course, not in the pool or other common sense exceptions.

Can I eat anywhere where I want?

See above, there are some places no one should eat.

Now we are talking about a restaurant. I don't see why any person should no be allowed to eat at the table in a restaurant.
 
2013-07-01 06:23:42 PM

sufferpuppet: darch: Can I ask you why you felt the need to have five farking children?

Something, something, clown car.


Love it. I lol'd.
 
2013-07-01 06:24:20 PM

jst3p: the money is in the banana stand: jst3p: WhippingBoy: swahnhennessy: I think breastfeeding threads might be the one true constant in the history of Fark. They come up about twice a year and each of them reads just like every other one. There's the guy talking about whipping out his penis at the table and pissing. And here's the fellow bringing up sex. Boob picture x39. Righteous indignation. Tired reference to NO MA'AM posted by someone thinking they're clever. Me in here talking about breastfeeding threads all being the same. Someone replying to me that I've just described every Fark thread ever.

You forgot the insufferable Farker who goes to great lengths to point out that all breastfeeding threads are the same... oh no, wait, you've got that one covered as well.

I haven't seen someone biatch about having to design lactation rooms for his projects before, so there is something new in this one.

It is a waste of real-estate. Those rooms rarely if ever go used. Clients all hate it and argue about having to have them. It isn't my space, I don't give a damn, but just know it is a waste of real-estate which is infuriating. I cannot tell you how many retarded ADA code restrictions there are that cripple businesses when renovating to bring something up to code. There is a lot of common sense and altruism behind some of those codes, but in reality it is a bunch of needless expenditures. Common sense unfortunately is not part of the equation.

Like I said above but got lost to formatting, I bet the conference rooms where I work qualify. I don't see why anyone would build a dedicated space for them, there doesn't seem to be a requirement for one.


That is the argument of every farking client that is required to have one, and my argument. A lot of times what you get is a telephone call room or break room in these facilities labeled as Nursing/Lactation, then the plans get submitted for review, all is well - room gets used for whatever function the client was going to use the room for anyways. Same goes for all sorts of things like ovens or microwaves in an office break room. Since common sense does not belong as a factor, you have businesses classified as "food service" because they have an oven or disposal system. It is retarded.
 
2013-07-01 06:29:52 PM

jst3p: the money is in the banana stand: In regards to breast feeding in your opinion, as soon as your baby cries, you should be able to just start feeding them right there right?

Absolutes are dangerous, I would say breast feeding in the pool is a bad idea, but that pretty much is in line with my "no expelling bodily fluids in the pool" rule. But generally I think women should be able to breastfeed in any public place.

What about children who get hungry, can they now eat anywhere they want?

I bring snacks for the kids when we are out, if they are hungry generally they eat. Of course, not in the pool or other common sense exceptions.

Can I eat anywhere where I want?

See above, there are some places no one should eat.

Now we are talking about a restaurant. I don't see why any person should no be allowed to eat at the table in a restaurant.


I would say it is up to the restaurant to decide that. They can decide the attire that is appropriate, they should be able to also decide whether or not patrons are allowed to breastfeed at the table or have to go to a separate location. If the person wanting to breastfeed is not happy with the location they are told to breastfeed or denied that, don't go there then - that is however not your right.We are talking about a private business here. Public facilities should have a private room however that is conducive and accessible for breastfeeding.
 
2013-07-01 06:30:31 PM

darch: jst3p: darch: redslippers: A woman can breastfeed "anywhere she is otherwise legally allowed to be".

Google it. I'm on my phone, so its too much of a pain to do it for you.

And I breastfed five. In public, I had no qualms about feeding my children as needed. And I never used a sheet or cover. I also never had anybody react negatively.

It's legal. It's natural. And as long as you aren't slinging your breast over your shoulder feeding a kid on your back National Geographic style, it is hard to do it in a manner where much shows at all.

Can I ask you why you felt the need to have five farking children?

To piss off people who really shouldn't give a damn but think the world is overpopulated?

It is. And these people are part of the problem. Personally, I don't get wanting to have even ONE, but five? That's just conspicuous procreation. Weeee! Look everyone! Look what we can do!

Attention whores, the lot of them.


I love it. Another busybody old man whining and crying about what other people's private business. "LISTEN TO MEEEE! Someone, please pay attention to MEEEE! I know what's best for everyone else! WAAAAAH why won't you listen to meee ..."

Talk about attention whoring. And what a bunch of nosy, gossipy little totalitarians. Oh, right, I'm on Fark. Carry on! The world will keep advancing as you keep dying off. Cheers!
 
2013-07-01 06:32:48 PM

MadAzza: darch: jst3p: darch: redslippers: A woman can breastfeed "anywhere she is otherwise legally allowed to be".

Google it. I'm on my phone, so its too much of a pain to do it for you.

And I breastfed five. In public, I had no qualms about feeding my children as needed. And I never used a sheet or cover. I also never had anybody react negatively.

It's legal. It's natural. And as long as you aren't slinging your breast over your shoulder feeding a kid on your back National Geographic style, it is hard to do it in a manner where much shows at all.

Can I ask you why you felt the need to have five farking children?

To piss off people who really shouldn't give a damn but think the world is overpopulated?

It is. And these people are part of the problem. Personally, I don't get wanting to have even ONE, but five? That's just conspicuous procreation. Weeee! Look everyone! Look what we can do!

Attention whores, the lot of them.

I love it. Another busybody old man whining and crying about what other people's private business. "LISTEN TO MEEEE! Someone, please pay attention to MEEEE! I know what's best for everyone else! WAAAAAH why won't you listen to meee ..."

Talk about attention whoring. And what a bunch of nosy, gossipy little totalitarians. Oh, right, I'm on Fark. Carry on! The world will keep advancing as you keep dying off. Cheers!


Says the person who has no kids. Your opinion is about as valid as the Old Guy's going by your logic. Oh, I forgot because you are a women this is a women's issue so no one else can have any say on what you do with your body.
 
2013-07-01 06:36:36 PM

wensleydale: In the state of New York,


IN PUBLIC
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT:
To breastfeed your baby in any public or private place where you have a right to be. This includes stores, day care centers, doctors' offices, restaurants, parks, movie theaters and many other places.
No one can tell you to leave any of these places because you are breastfeeding, and no one can tell you to breastfeed in a bathroom, a basement or a private room.

Source: http://www.nyclu.org/publications/your-breastfeeding-rights-new-york


That's just it. The couple and their baby didn't have a right to be there. It was a private club that they were not members of. They "requested" to be able to eat there DESPITE not being members. The club said yes but then revoked their invitation, which, the couple not being members, the club had the right to do.
 
2013-07-01 06:37:15 PM

wensleydale: In the state of New York,


IN PUBLIC
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT:
To breastfeed your baby in any public or private place where you have a right to be. This includes stores, day care centers, doctors' offices, restaurants, parks, movie theaters and many other places.
No one can tell you to leave any of these places because you are breastfeeding, and no one can tell you to breastfeed in a bathroom, a basement or a private room.

Source: http://www.nyclu.org/publications/your-breastfeeding-rights-new-york


Ummm.... that is not a valid legal source.  Just saying.

Seriously, it might BE the law in NY, but a link to a private civil liberties organization is NOT the same as a cite.  Do you know actual statutes that support this?  (And yes, I could google it - but I am afraid if I google something about breasts, the gummint spies at the NSA will know!!!!)
 
2013-07-01 06:38:41 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 379x325]

So much this.


Except it isn't. Dishonesty isn't appealing at all.
 
2013-07-01 06:38:46 PM

Gleeman: www.manga-stream.fr


Got Desert Punk in my dvd player right now, watching through an episode or three a night while on the exercise bike.
 
2013-07-01 06:44:11 PM

the money is in the banana stand: I would say it is up to the restaurant to decide that. They can decide the attire that is appropriate, they should be able to also decide whether or not patrons are allowed to breastfeed at the table or have to go to a separate location. If the person wanting to breastfeed is not happy with the location they are told to breastfeed or denied that, don't go there then - that is however not your right.We are talking about a private business here. Public facilities should have a private room however that is conducive and accessible for breastfeeding.


I, and society, respectfully disagree with you. But breastfeeding in public is indeed a right, so you should get used to it.
 
2013-07-01 06:44:18 PM

the money is in the banana stand: MadAzza: darch: jst3p: darch: redslippers: A woman can breastfeed "anywhere she is otherwise legally allowed to be".

Google it. I'm on my phone, so its too much of a pain to do it for you.

And I breastfed five. In public, I had no qualms about feeding my children as needed. And I never used a sheet or cover. I also never had anybody react negatively.

It's legal. It's natural. And as long as you aren't slinging your breast over your shoulder feeding a kid on your back National Geographic style, it is hard to do it in a manner where much shows at all.

Can I ask you why you felt the need to have five farking children?

To piss off people who really shouldn't give a damn but think the world is overpopulated?

It is. And these people are part of the problem. Personally, I don't get wanting to have even ONE, but five? That's just conspicuous procreation. Weeee! Look everyone! Look what we can do!

Attention whores, the lot of them.

I love it. Another busybody old man whining and crying about what other people's private business. "LISTEN TO MEEEE! Someone, please pay attention to MEEEE! I know what's best for everyone else! WAAAAAH why won't you listen to meee ..."

Talk about attention whoring. And what a bunch of nosy, gossipy little totalitarians. Oh, right, I'm on Fark. Carry on! The world will keep advancing as you keep dying off. Cheers!

Says the person who has no kids. Your opinion is about as valid as the Old Guy's going by your logic. Oh, I forgot because you are a women this is a women's issue so no one else can have any say on what you do with your body.


You're obviously running out of straw men and idiotic, unimaginative lies about me. Keep trying, though -- the other idiots you're trying to get through to will lap it up like Axe Body Spray. "Yeah hurr hurr she totally said nobody else has a right to an opinion duuuuude!"
 
2013-07-01 06:45:02 PM

MadAzza: darch: jst3p: darch: redslippers: A woman can breastfeed "anywhere she is otherwise legally allowed to be".

Google it. I'm on my phone, so its too much of a pain to do it for you.

And I breastfed five. In public, I had no qualms about feeding my children as needed. And I never used a sheet or cover. I also never had anybody react negatively.

It's legal. It's natural. And as long as you aren't slinging your breast over your shoulder feeding a kid on your back National Geographic style, it is hard to do it in a manner where much shows at all.

Can I ask you why you felt the need to have five farking children?

To piss off people who really shouldn't give a damn but think the world is overpopulated?

It is. And these people are part of the problem. Personally, I don't get wanting to have even ONE, but five? That's just conspicuous procreation. Weeee! Look everyone! Look what we can do!

Attention whores, the lot of them.

I love it. Another busybody old man whining and crying about what other people's private business. "LISTEN TO MEEEE! Someone, please pay attention to MEEEE! I know what's best for everyone else! WAAAAAH why won't you listen to meee ..."

Talk about attention whoring. And what a bunch of nosy, gossipy little totalitarians. Oh, right, I'm on Fark. Carry on! The world will keep advancing as you keep dying off. Cheers!


Right. Old man at 42. Whatever you say, sweetie. Isn't there a playdate you're late for?

Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"
 
2013-07-01 06:49:26 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: 138. ying-yangs


Er, that refers to another part of the anatomy altogether.
 
2013-07-01 06:49:57 PM

darch: And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"


Some of us are so awesome it would be cruel to deprive future generations of our genetics. My children are a gift, from me to society.
 
2013-07-01 06:53:19 PM
If it is so natural and everything why keep them covered at all? Free the bewbs.

If it is a decency thing, then how does having something hanging off a tit by a mouth make it less offensive? A bizarre form of non-offensive living pastie?

If it's ok to be milked in public, it should be ok to run around topless is all I'm saying. If it isn't ok to run around topless, then pulling it out in view of everyone should be off limits.
 
2013-07-01 06:53:52 PM

darch: Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"


So it's rude when they question your procreation decision, but it's OK for you to rudely question theirs. Got it. As far as someone else having however many kids they want: It's like when some other arrogant busybody says, "Why do you NEED to own a handgun?" ... as if one must have a "need" that they approve of in order to exercise a right.

The answer to any of these questions is, "None of your f*cking business." (Or "Why did you NEED to wear a blue shirt today?" Makes as much sense.)

And if you think I, a child-free woman, don't know how rude people can be about that, you are more self-centered than I thought.
 
2013-07-01 06:55:46 PM

jst3p: the money is in the banana stand: I would say it is up to the restaurant to decide that. They can decide the attire that is appropriate, they should be able to also decide whether or not patrons are allowed to breastfeed at the table or have to go to a separate location. If the person wanting to breastfeed is not happy with the location they are told to breastfeed or denied that, don't go there then - that is however not your right.We are talking about a private business here. Public facilities should have a private room however that is conducive and accessible for breastfeeding.

I, and society, respectfully disagree with you. But breastfeeding in public is indeed a right, so you should get used to it.


I said nothing about breastfeeding in public not being a right, I said within a restaurant or private establishment that right does not extend there. I advocated the feeding rooms to be in public areas for mothers who do not wish to feed in public, but they should not be relegated to that. Further, I believe it is the manner in which they feed their child that they should respect the same laws someone not nursing has to abide by which would be to cover that shiat up.

What exactly do you disagree with me on and how does "society" disagree with me? A business should be able to ask a patron to leave for whatever reason they deem necessary. I disagree with extending this "public right" to a "private location." I am arguing for businesses to set whatever ground rules they deem necessary, as long as it does not conflict with our basic rights. The right to breastfeed is not a basic right, however denying entry based on race is.
 
2013-07-01 07:00:58 PM

MadAzza: darch: Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"

So it's rude when they question your procreation decision, but it's OK for you to rudely question theirs. Got it. As far as someone else having however many kids they want: It's like when some other arrogant busybody says, "Why do you NEED to own a handgun?" ... as if one must have a "need" that they approve of in order to exercise a right.

The answer to any of these questions is, "None of your f*cking business." (Or "Why did you NEED to wear a blue shirt today?" Makes as much sense.)

And if you think I, a child-free woman, don't know how rude people can be about that, you are more self-centered than I thought.


My wife and I ARE self-centered- to an extent. It's why we decided to not have kids. We still enjoy our company WAY too much to potentially fark it up with a mewling, screaming, begging resource-sucker. We're weird like that I guess. However, we are fairly "live and let live"... until that shiat is thrown in our face. Which it is routinely.

And your screaming brood IS my "business" when their shiatty behavior infringes on my space/privacy, etc.
 
2013-07-01 07:01:32 PM

the money is in the banana stand: I said nothing about breastfeeding in public not being a right, I said within a restaurant or private establishment that right does not extend there.


That's kind of how rights work, if you open your business to the public your rights extend to within your business. In order to invalidate those rights you need to be a private club.

What exactly do you disagree with me on and how does "society" disagree with me? A business should be able to ask a patron to leave for whatever reason they deem necessary. I disagree with extending this "public right" to a "private location." I am arguing for businesses to set whatever ground rules they deem necessary, as long as it does not conflict with our basic rights. The right to breastfeed is not a basic right, however denying entry based on race is.

The vast majority of states, thus in my opinion "society", disagrees with you:

Forty-five states, the District of Columbia and the Virgin Islands have laws that specifically allow women to breastfeed in any public or private location. (Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.)

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/breastfeeding-state-laws. as px
 
2013-07-01 07:03:48 PM

the money is in the banana stand: jst3p: WhippingBoy: swahnhennessy: I think breastfeeding threads might be the one true constant in the history of Fark. They come up about twice a year and each of them reads just like every other one. There's the guy talking about whipping out his penis at the table and pissing. And here's the fellow bringing up sex. Boob picture x39. Righteous indignation. Tired reference to NO MA'AM posted by someone thinking they're clever. Me in here talking about breastfeeding threads all being the same. Someone replying to me that I've just described every Fark thread ever.

You forgot the insufferable Farker who goes to great lengths to point out that all breastfeeding threads are the same... oh no, wait, you've got that one covered as well.

I haven't seen someone biatch about having to design lactation rooms for his projects before, so there is something new in this one.

It is a waste of real-estate. Those rooms rarely if ever go used. Clients all hate it and argue about having to have them. It isn't my space, I don't give a damn, but just know it is a waste of real-estate which is infuriating. I cannot tell you how many retarded ADA code restrictions there are that cripple businesses when renovating to bring something up to code. There is a lot of common sense and altruism behind some of those codes, but in reality it is a bunch of needless expenditures. Common sense unfortunately is not part of the equation.


They use them for store rooms. Same as the Men's Bathroom gets turned into in almost any "Women's" retail place.

And the rant is misplaced... but the ADA is farking out of control. What a god awful POS piece of legislation that is. No grandfathering... and no enforcement protocol. So now we have a whole industry of lawyers going around and suing businesses and local governments for ADA violations.

Also gotta point out... I love that jst3p basically said you (and I) are full of shiat... then looked it up... found the citation... and instead of remotely acknowledging what a dick he was about it... proceeds to berate you for "biatching" about it.
 
2013-07-01 07:05:13 PM
Here's the test: if you're free to breast feed at will, then I get to stare intently at you while you do it. If you've got a problem with that, you need to "get over yourself". Being stared at shouldn't make you feel uncomfortable, so says I.
 
2013-07-01 07:06:50 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: the money is in the banana stand: jst3p: WhippingBoy: swahnhennessy: I think breastfeeding threads might be the one true constant in the history of Fark. They come up about twice a year and each of them reads just like every other one. There's the guy talking about whipping out his penis at the table and pissing. And here's the fellow bringing up sex. Boob picture x39. Righteous indignation. Tired reference to NO MA'AM posted by someone thinking they're clever. Me in here talking about breastfeeding threads all being the same. Someone replying to me that I've just described every Fark thread ever.

You forgot the insufferable Farker who goes to great lengths to point out that all breastfeeding threads are the same... oh no, wait, you've got that one covered as well.

I haven't seen someone biatch about having to design lactation rooms for his projects before, so there is something new in this one.

It is a waste of real-estate. Those rooms rarely if ever go used. Clients all hate it and argue about having to have them. It isn't my space, I don't give a damn, but just know it is a waste of real-estate which is infuriating. I cannot tell you how many retarded ADA code restrictions there are that cripple businesses when renovating to bring something up to code. There is a lot of common sense and altruism behind some of those codes, but in reality it is a bunch of needless expenditures. Common sense unfortunately is not part of the equation.

They use them for store rooms. Same as the Men's Bathroom gets turned into in almost any "Women's" retail place.

And the rant is misplaced... but the ADA is farking out of control. What a god awful POS piece of legislation that is. No grandfathering... and no enforcement protocol. So now we have a whole industry of lawyers going around and suing businesses and local governments for ADA violations.

Also gotta point out... I love that jst3p basically said you (and I) are full of shiat... then looked it up... found the citation... a ...


Yeah, my bad.

Still, it isn't as bad as was claimed, it isn't required to have a dedicated room so just make your break rooms have some private areas with a curtain. I still don't see it biatchworthy.
 
2013-07-01 07:07:47 PM

MadAzza: the money is in the banana stand: MadAzza: darch: jst3p: darch: redslippers: A woman can breastfeed "anywhere she is otherwise legally allowed to be".

Google it. I'm on my phone, so its too much of a pain to do it for you.

And I breastfed five. In public, I had no qualms about feeding my children as needed. And I never used a sheet or cover. I also never had anybody react negatively.

It's legal. It's natural. And as long as you aren't slinging your breast over your shoulder feeding a kid on your back National Geographic style, it is hard to do it in a manner where much shows at all.

Can I ask you why you felt the need to have five farking children?

To piss off people who really shouldn't give a damn but think the world is overpopulated?

It is. And these people are part of the problem. Personally, I don't get wanting to have even ONE, but five? That's just conspicuous procreation. Weeee! Look everyone! Look what we can do!

Attention whores, the lot of them.

I love it. Another busybody old man whining and crying about what other people's private business. "LISTEN TO MEEEE! Someone, please pay attention to MEEEE! I know what's best for everyone else! WAAAAAH why won't you listen to meee ..."

Talk about attention whoring. And what a bunch of nosy, gossipy little totalitarians. Oh, right, I'm on Fark. Carry on! The world will keep advancing as you keep dying off. Cheers!

Says the person who has no kids. Your opinion is about as valid as the Old Guy's going by your logic. Oh, I forgot because you are a women this is a women's issue so no one else can have any say on what you do with your body.

You're obviously running out of straw men and idiotic, unimaginative lies about me. Keep trying, though -- the other idiots you're trying to get through to will lap it up like Axe Body Spray. "Yeah hurr hurr she totally said nobody else has a right to an opinion duuuuude!"


You are criticizing darch for being a totalitarian busybody who thinks they know what is best for everyone else, yet you yourself are doing the exact same thing. You apparently are not considering their opinion or believe they have that right. Considering by your admission you are "childfree and happy that way," how come your opinion is not totalitarian considering it is about others and not you yourself?
 
2013-07-01 07:10:01 PM

WhippingBoy: Here's the test: if you're free to breast feed at will, then I get to stare intently at you while you do it.


You can.

If you've got a problem with that, you need to "get over yourself". Being stared at shouldn't make you feel uncomfortable, so says I.

I think most people would disagreed, being stared at by a stranger would probably make a lot of people uncomfortable. It makes you creepy, but unless you are breaking laws (stalking or some such) being creepy isn't illegal.
 
2013-07-01 07:10:32 PM

darch: We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife.



Just say "I can't...since the accident".

Might not be as satisfying as turning the question back at them, but at least they'll stop the guilt tripping for a little while.
 
2013-07-01 07:14:33 PM
But yeah, I was overly dickish to the money is in the banana stand, and ignorant regarding the recent regulations for lactation closets. I apologize.
 
2013-07-01 07:15:45 PM

the ha ha guy: darch: We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife.


Just say "I can't...since the accident".

Might not be as satisfying as turning the question back at them, but at least they'll stop the guilt tripping for a little while.


That's pretty rich, Ha ha. We just hate being put in the position to even have to talk about it. And not for nothing, my wife most likely isn't able to have kids even if we wanted to. Look up "endometriosis".
 
2013-07-01 07:18:13 PM

jst3p: WhippingBoy: Here's the test: if you're free to breast feed at will, then I get to stare intently at you while you do it.

You can.

If you've got a problem with that, you need to "get over yourself". Being stared at shouldn't make you feel uncomfortable, so says I.

I think most people would disagreed, being stared at by a stranger would probably make a lot of people uncomfortable. It makes you creepy, but unless you are breaking laws (stalking or some such) being creepy isn't illegal.


Right, but wouldn't it be better if I didn't stare, and if a breast-feeding woman used a modicum of discretion? Just because you have a right do to something, doesn't mean you should.
 
2013-07-01 07:21:29 PM

WhippingBoy: jst3p: WhippingBoy: Here's the test: if you're free to breast feed at will, then I get to stare intently at you while you do it.

You can.

If you've got a problem with that, you need to "get over yourself". Being stared at shouldn't make you feel uncomfortable, so says I.

I think most people would disagreed, being stared at by a stranger would probably make a lot of people uncomfortable. It makes you creepy, but unless you are breaking laws (stalking or some such) being creepy isn't illegal.

Right, but wouldn't it be better if I didn't stare, and if a breast-feeding woman used a modicum of discretion? Just because you have a right do to something, doesn't mean you should.


In my experience most do. Sure there are the activists, but they are trying to make a point because there are still people in the world that think they should take the baby to the bathroom to feed him. Once people stop giving women shiat for breastfeeding in public there will be no need for the militant activist whipping out the boob as conspicuously as possible to make a point.
 
2013-07-01 07:26:32 PM

jst3p: WhippingBoy: jst3p: WhippingBoy: Here's the test: if you're free to breast feed at will, then I get to stare intently at you while you do it.

You can.

If you've got a problem with that, you need to "get over yourself". Being stared at shouldn't make you feel uncomfortable, so says I.

I think most people would disagreed, being stared at by a stranger would probably make a lot of people uncomfortable. It makes you creepy, but unless you are breaking laws (stalking or some such) being creepy isn't illegal.

Right, but wouldn't it be better if I didn't stare, and if a breast-feeding woman used a modicum of discretion? Just because you have a right do to something, doesn't mean you should.

In my experience most do. Sure there are the activists, but they are trying to make a point because there are still people in the world that think they should take the baby to the bathroom to feed him. Once people stop giving women shiat for breastfeeding in public there will be no need for the militant activist whipping out the boob as conspicuously as possible to make a point.


Bullshiat. Once an activist, always an activist. These people aren't doing it to make a point, they're doing it to get noticed. You can't teach an attention whore new tricks.
 
2013-07-01 07:26:39 PM

jst3p: Yeah, my bad.

Still, it isn't as bad as was claimed, it isn't required to have a dedicated room so just make your break rooms have some private areas with a curtain. I still don't see it biatchworthy.


It depends if whoever is doing the suing thinks a "couple curtains" is private enough.

Retailers hate them because they cost them money. Rents are calculated per SQ foot... retailers know how much their stores should be generating per SQ foot. Most lactation rooms are 5x8 (that's the minimum size if the door swings into the room). So that's 40sf per store that is wasted... at... let's say a national average of $3 per sf per month. For a brand with 10,000 locations... that's $14m you just shiat away.

That's why the biatching.

/Did the math in my head.
//Someone should check it.
 
2013-07-01 07:26:41 PM

darch: MadAzza: darch: Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"

So it's rude when they question your procreation decision, but it's OK for you to rudely question theirs. Got it. As far as someone else having however many kids they want: It's like when some other arrogant busybody says, "Why do you NEED to own a handgun?" ... as if one must have a "need" that they approve of in order to exercise a right.

The answer to any of these questions is, "None of your f*cking business." (Or "Why did you NEED to wear a blue shirt today?" Makes as much sense.)

And if you think I, a child-free woman, don't know how rude people can be about that, you are more self-centered than I thought.

My wife and I ARE self-centered- to an extent. It's why we decided to not have kids. We still enjoy our company WAY too much to potentially fark it up with a mewling, screaming, begging resource-sucker. We're weird like that I guess. However, we are fairly "live and let live"... until that shiat is thrown in our face. Which it is routinely.

And your screaming brood IS my "business" when their shiatty behavior infringes on my space/privacy, etc.


Again: I have no "screaming brood." The reason you are childless is the same reason I am. Did you even read my post?

I'm going to go be productive somewhere else.
 
2013-07-01 07:27:06 PM

jst3p: But yeah, I was overly dickish to the money is in the banana stand, and ignorant regarding the recent regulations for lactation closets. I apologize.


That's perfectly ok, nobody really knows about those regulations. I also apologize if I came off hostile, but I do strongly disagree with telling private businesses that they cannot ask someone to leave or stop doing something that is offending the other patrons. If a child is screaming, it isn't the right of the parent to remain in the establishment with their screaming child. It is distracting to the other patrons. I am very much for civil liberty, however I feel that too often do we infringe on businesses now-a-days. That is what my point of the lactation closets was (and ADA). There are certain financial implications that occur when you decide to dictate to a business what it can and cannot do. There are some times the government should intervene, in cases of gross neglect for an individual's rights.

I really do not care and it does not bother me if someone breastfeeds in the open. I am a freaking art major, I am used to naked people. I am kind of baffled however that our nation is so concerned with privacy, yet when it comes to breastfeeding, the notion would be that "hey we don't need that!" Why exactly then, do I question, we need regulations regarding private lactation rooms then if the law is contradictory and it is your right to do so wherever you please? Why then do we ALSO have to provide specific rooms with privacy?

In my opinion, it is up to the individual to seek privacy should they require it. Public areas should be provided for, but businesses should not be forced to provide these areas. Businesses further, like any other thing, should be able to ask you to stop doing something or leave the establishment if they deem that breastfeeding in their restaurant is either NOT permitted, or that you are disturbing others (as silly as that is) so you need to either leave, or do that elsewhere.

A logical person would either not go to that place of business or seek somewhere where they can breastfeed, not say it is your right to do whatever you want whenever you want and no one can tell you what to do. What about businesses which are made up by people. You are infringing on others' livelihoods in order to suffice a point. I think that is wrong. If the restaurant is occupied by 100 prudes who all file complaints at the breastfeeding and the restaurant deems it wise to ask that patron to leave or they risk 100 people's businesses, is it really right that that 1 person remain there? That isn't fair to the business.
 
2013-07-01 07:28:42 PM

MadAzza: darch: MadAzza: darch: Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"

So it's rude when they question your procreation decision, but it's OK for you to rudely question theirs. Got it. As far as someone else having however many kids they want: It's like when some other arrogant busybody says, "Why do you NEED to own a handgun?" ... as if one must have a "need" that they approve of in order to exercise a right.

The answer to any of these questions is, "None of your f*cking business." (Or "Why did you NEED to wear a blue shirt today?" Makes as much sense.)

And if you think I, a child-free woman, don't know how rude people can be about that, you are more self-centered than I thought.

My wife and I ARE self-centered- to an extent. It's why we decided to not have kids. We still enjoy our company WAY too much to potentially fark it up with a mewling, screaming, begging resource-sucker. We're weird like that I guess. However, we are fairly "live and let live"... until that shiat is thrown in our face. Which it is routinely.

And your screaming brood IS my "business" when their shiatty behavior infringes on my space/privacy, etc.

Again: I have no "screaming brood." The reason you are childless is the same reason I am. Did you even read my post?

I'm going to go be productive somewhere else.


Hopefully that means in the kitchen.
 
2013-07-01 07:30:18 PM

the money is in the banana stand: MadAzza: darch: MadAzza: darch: Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"

So it's rude when they question your procreation decision, but it's OK for you to rudely question theirs. Got it. As far as someone else having however many kids they want: It's like when some other arrogant busybody says, "Why do you NEED to own a handgun?" ... as if one must have a "need" that they approve of in order to exercise a right.

The answer to any of these questions is, "None of your f*cking business." (Or "Why did you NEED to wear a blue shirt today?" Makes as much sense.)

And if you think I, a child-free woman, don't know how rude people can be about that, you are more self-centered than I thought.

My wife and I ARE self-centered- to an extent. It's why we decided to not have kids. We still enjoy our company WAY too much to potentially fark it up with a mewling, screaming, begging resource-sucker. We're weird like that I guess. However, we are fairly "live and let live"... until that shiat is thrown in our face. Which it is routinely.

And your screaming brood IS my "business" when their shiatty behavior infringes on my space/privacy, etc.

Again: I have no "screaming brood." The reason you are childless is the same reason I am. Did you even read my post?

I'm going to go be productive somewhere else.

Hopefully that means in the kitchen.


That's where the sammich fixins are, ain't it?
 
2013-07-01 07:31:23 PM

MadAzza: the money is in the banana stand: MadAzza: darch: MadAzza: darch: Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"

So it's rude when they question your procreation decision, but it's OK for you to rudely question theirs. Got it. As far as someone else having however many kids they want: It's like when some other arrogant busybody says, "Why do you NEED to own a handgun?" ... as if one must have a "need" that they approve of in order to exercise a right.

The answer to any of these questions is, "None of your f*cking business." (Or "Why did you NEED to wear a blue shirt today?" Makes as much sense.)

And if you think I, a child-free woman, don't know how rude people can be about that, you are more self-centered than I thought.

My wife and I ARE self-centered- to an extent. It's why we decided to not have kids. We still enjoy our company WAY too much to potentially fark it up with a mewling, screaming, begging resource-sucker. We're weird like that I guess. However, we are fairly "live and let live"... until that shiat is thrown in our face. Which it is routinely.

And your screaming brood IS my "business" when their shiatty behavior infringes on my space/privacy, etc.

Again: I have no "screaming brood." The reason you are childless is the same reason I am. Did you even read my post?

I'm going to go be productive somewhere else.

Hopefully that means in the kitchen.

That's where the sammich fixins are, ain't it?


I apologize for being inflammatory, you have a good sense of humor.
 
2013-07-01 07:35:45 PM

jst3p: But yeah, I was overly dickish to the money is in the banana stand, and ignorant regarding the recent regulations for lactation closets. I apologize.


the money is in the banana stand: That's perfectly ok, nobody really knows about those regulations. I also apologize if I came off hostile


WTF is going on around here?!?

People getting all friendly and shiat.
 
2013-07-01 07:36:19 PM

the money is in the banana stand: MadAzza: the money is in the banana stand: MadAzza: darch: MadAzza: darch: Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"

So it's rude when they question your procreation decision, but it's OK for you to rudely question theirs. Got it. As far as someone else having however many kids they want: It's like when some other arrogant busybody says, "Why do you NEED to own a handgun?" ... as if one must have a "need" that they approve of in order to exercise a right.

The answer to any of these questions is, "None of your f*cking business." (Or "Why did you NEED to wear a blue shirt today?" Makes as much sense.)

And if you think I, a child-free woman, don't know how rude people can be about that, you are more self-centered than I thought.

My wife and I ARE self-centered- to an extent. It's why we decided to not have kids. We still enjoy our company WAY too much to potentially fark it up with a mewling, screaming, begging resource-sucker. We're weird like that I guess. However, we are fairly "live and let live"... until that shiat is thrown in our face. Which it is routinely.

And your screaming brood IS my "business" when their shiatty behavior infringes on my space/privacy, etc.

Again: I have no "screaming brood." The reason you are childless is the same reason I am. Did you even read my post?

I'm going to go be productive somewhere else.

Hopefully that means in the kitchen.

That's where the sammich fixins are, ain't it?

I apologize for being inflammatory, you have a good sense of humor.


Thanks! I apologize for being arrogant.

I usually try to keep in mind that whoever I'm arguing with in one thread, I often agree with in another, or at least we'd be able to have a beer and get along just fine IRL.
 
2013-07-01 07:37:18 PM
FTFA:  "He was walking as if he was acting in a Western movie," Neijens said. "He had one hand on his gun, one hand on his Taser." Officers told the couple that they were trespassing and that many people were suspicious of them because of their black backpack.


The stupid, it burns.

So it wasn't the tit being used for one of its natural purposes (ie, other than being used to sell beer) that upset people, it was the presence of a black backpack?

America, land of the monitored and home of the pathetically fearful.

I think the terrorists have officially won.
 
2013-07-01 07:39:35 PM

darch: And your screaming brood IS my "business" when their shiatty behavior infringes on my space/privacy, etc.


I don't get this. Are you saying every human is infringing on your space/privacy, or just her kids (presupposing shiatty behavior of course, what ever that means)? If it's everybody (that includes you) than are you are making an argument that everybody invades everybody else's space so that's kind of a non-starter as a reason not to breed.
 
2013-07-01 08:23:07 PM
Our ambassador to Belgium can hunt for s@x with ch!ldren, but the wife of the Belgian ambassador can't breast feed in public?
 
2013-07-01 08:25:16 PM
I don't like it and I don't want to see it.
 
2013-07-01 08:28:32 PM
What the hell is wrong with eating in the bathroom? It's not like there aren't folks here who are probably sitting on the can with a sandwich and a cigarette at this very moment.

/non-smoker
 
2013-07-01 08:43:25 PM

ReverendJynxed: What the hell is wrong with eating in the bathroom? It's not like there aren't folks here who are probably sitting on the can with a sandwich and a cigarette at this very moment.

/non-smoker


From what I gather, American restaurants only have two spaces: The dining room and the bathroom. If a breastfeeding woman is the dining room and is asked to breastfeed elsewhere, the only possible choice she has is the bathroom. There are no other empty spaces, no quiet discrete corners, nothing. It's the dining room or the bathroom.
 
2013-07-01 08:52:17 PM
It's a European thing, I suppose.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-01 08:55:06 PM

WhippingBoy: ReverendJynxed: What the hell is wrong with eating in the bathroom? It's not like there aren't folks here who are probably sitting on the can with a sandwich and a cigarette at this very moment.

/non-smoker

From what I gather, American restaurants only have two spaces: The dining room and the bathroom. If a breastfeeding woman is the dining room and is asked to breastfeed elsewhere, the only possible choice she has is the bathroom. There are no other empty spaces, no quiet discrete corners, nothing. It's the dining room or the bathroom.


Or maybe back where the waitresses catch a smoke break or give handjobs to the dishwashers.?
 
2013-07-01 09:11:43 PM

darch: MadAzza: darch: jst3p: darch: redslippers: A woman can breastfeed "anywhere she is otherwise legally allowed to be".

Google it. I'm on my phone, so its too much of a pain to do it for you.

And I breastfed five. In public, I had no qualms about feeding my children as needed. And I never used a sheet or cover. I also never had anybody react negatively.

It's legal. It's natural. And as long as you aren't slinging your breast over your shoulder feeding a kid on your back National Geographic style, it is hard to do it in a manner where much shows at all.

Can I ask you why you felt the need to have five farking children?

To piss off people who really shouldn't give a damn but think the world is overpopulated?

It is. And these people are part of the problem. Personally, I don't get wanting to have even ONE, but five? That's just conspicuous procreation. Weeee! Look everyone! Look what we can do!

Attention whores, the lot of them.

I love it. Another busybody old man whining and crying about what other people's private business. "LISTEN TO MEEEE! Someone, please pay attention to MEEEE! I know what's best for everyone else! WAAAAAH why won't you listen to meee ..."

Talk about attention whoring. And what a bunch of nosy, gossipy little totalitarians. Oh, right, I'm on Fark. Carry on! The world will keep advancing as you keep dying off. Cheers!

Right. Old man at 42. Whatever you say, sweetie. Isn't there a playdate you're late for?

Seriously, I love the knee jerk derp reactions that parents have whenever I question conspicuous procreation. Talk about "butthurt"! I've been with the same woman for 25 years, married for 16. We made the conscious decision to NOT have children and you wouldn't believe how rude people with children can be- especially to my wife. And you people freak when I flip it and ask "Why the hell did you feel the need to bring yet another human being into the world?"


See, I really don't give a shiat whether or not you and your wife decided not to procreate. That was your choice, and you had every right to make it. I chose differently, and you have no right to force your beliefs down my throat, any more than an evangelical does.

And I'm Jewish. If I want to have 20 kids, just consider it making up for the 80% of my family that were killed during the Holocaust.

Sanctimonious bullshiat is sanctimonious bullshiat, regardless of the religious or political leaning of the dumbass spouting it.
 
2013-07-01 09:16:40 PM

wambu: WhippingBoy: ReverendJynxed: What the hell is wrong with eating in the bathroom? It's not like there aren't folks here who are probably sitting on the can with a sandwich and a cigarette at this very moment.

/non-smoker

From what I gather, American restaurants only have two spaces: The dining room and the bathroom. If a breastfeeding woman is the dining room and is asked to breastfeed elsewhere, the only possible choice she has is the bathroom. There are no other empty spaces, no quiet discrete corners, nothing. It's the dining room or the bathroom.

Or maybe back where the waitresses catch a smoke break or give handjobs to the dishwashers.?


Behind the dumpster is good too I suppose.
 
2013-07-01 09:30:15 PM

redslippers: See, I really don't give a shiat whether or not you and your wife decided not to procreate. That was your choice, and you had every right to make it.



There are a lot of parents who vehemently disagree. When a childless person has to hear an endless stream of how they're "godless", " diseased", "satanic", and various other insults, just because they don't have a wife and kids, it gets old.

With these 'extremist breeders' being so common, I'm guessing the natural reaction to someone with a lot of kids is to assume they are also in that category, and respond in kind.
 
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