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2013-07-01 05:19:12 PM
lh3.googleusercontent.com

They never have trouble finding work
 
2013-07-01 06:16:35 PM
If you have no skills beyond a warm body life will always be rough.
 
2013-07-01 06:33:13 PM

EvilEgg: If you have no skills beyond a warm body life will always be rough.


The only advantage these workers have over third world workers is that Wal-Mart gives a damn is the warehouse catches fire or collapses on a building full of merchandise they have actually paid for.
 
2013-07-01 06:33:22 PM
Many economists predict the growth of temp work will continue beyond the recession, in part because of health care reform, which some economists say will lead employers to hire temps to avoid the costs of covering full-time workers.  - A win for Obama?
 
2013-07-01 06:41:25 PM
What is sad is that they're trying to use professional positions in temp ways.
 
2013-07-01 06:48:29 PM
I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.
 
2013-07-01 06:52:07 PM
Always another ditch to dig subby, let them take advantage of you terribly for a little while and trick them into thinking you like it.  Keep working hard and they feel sorry for you and move you up.  The problem is at that point you have to quit and restart the process to feel like you have the upper hand.
 
2013-07-01 07:06:03 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.


I always wondered what standard rates were for what the contract company makes vs what they pay. I think for white collar jobs, the rate is higher.
 
2013-07-01 07:10:05 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.


this is why temp jobs suck! they want to get rid of you as soon as possible, because of the premium cost.
 
2013-07-01 07:12:29 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.


At a 58% markup I can only assume you are using Robert Half/Accountemps/Office Team. There are reputable staffing companies out there that won't rape you on your rates. And then there are companies like I mentioned, and Advantage, which is a complete POS.
 
2013-07-01 07:24:47 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.


Could be worse... I get $18/hr and my company gets $62. However I am a contractor, not a temp, so insurance and all... still, ouch.
 
2013-07-01 08:24:29 PM
it just wouldn't be America if its Citizens weren't being exploited.  welcome to Crony Capitalism.

Under a Capitalist System, Man exploits Man.
under a Communist one, its just the opposite.
                                                                        --renowned American Economist John Kenneth Galbraith.

a Capitalist hates Communism, unless he can exploit their cheap labor and as long as he can keep them out of his back yard.
 
2013-07-01 08:26:23 PM

EvilEgg: If you have no skills beyond a warm body life will always be rough.



and if your skills aren't better than the dude in Red China who will do your job for 1/5th the cost and no health insurance and no piss breaks.  sleep well, Freedom lover.
 
2013-07-01 08:28:30 PM

some_beer_drinker: Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.

this is why temp jobs suck! they want to get rid of you as soon as possible, because of the premium cost.



Horse shiat.

you cost less as a temp.  or, at most, the same.  the temp agency takes their cut out of YOUR paycheck.  you're welcome.

ain't Freedom a biatch?
 
2013-07-01 08:55:42 PM
Isn't Walmart the largest welfare queen in the USA?
 
2013-07-01 09:01:50 PM

Linux_Yes: some_beer_drinker: Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.

this is why temp jobs suck! they want to get rid of you as soon as possible, because of the premium cost.


  the temp agency takes their cut out of YOUR paycheck.  you're welcome.


No, not directly. In much the way it's more convenient for you to pay someone to change your oil, it's more convenient to outsource the hiring process. It's not fundamentally cheaper, just easier.
 
2013-07-01 09:07:10 PM

majestic: it's more convenient to outsource the hiring process. It's not fundamentally cheaper, just easier.


And if you know you only need someone for 8 weeks, it's a good solution.

All the laws and fees that accompany employment are met and there's no hard feelings when you part ways.

Also, FTA : Last year, more than one in every 20 blue-collar workers was a temp

Is 5% considered a lot now?
 
2013-07-01 09:12:52 PM

some_beer_drinker: Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.

this is why temp jobs suck! they want to get rid of you as soon as possible, because of the premium cost.


Presumably, if the company wanted someone at $11/hr, they'd hire someone at $11/hr. To the company, it's cheaper than having HR staff, and they get receptionists at a steal anyway.

A buddy of mine had the opposite problem - he wanted to start at the place regularly, but the temp agency threatened him with a lawsuit. They need their 30% cut (tried to convince him that 80% of his value was "a great offer" to ensure it, even).

My point is that temp agencies are soulless bloodsuckers.
 
2013-07-01 09:13:30 PM
Just think, when illegal alien amnesty passes, we'll have millions more of these folks to exploit. Even better, while they're waiting their 13 years for citizenship they won't be eligible for Obamacare, meaning it'll be cheaper for a company to hire one of them instead of a citizen. Win win.
 
2013-07-01 09:59:02 PM

Nemo's Brother: Three Crooked Squirrels: I am currently employing a temp worker as a receptionist while an employee is out on maternity leave.  I pay the temp service $17.38 to have her here.  They pay her $11 per hour.  To me, that's insane, but I need someone temporarily, so I'm paying it.

I always wondered what standard rates were for what the contract company makes vs what they pay. I think for white collar jobs, the rate is higher.


Many years ago when I did computer consulting for a large consulting firm receiving around 60% of your bill rate was the norm.
 
2013-07-01 10:03:40 PM

jjorsett: Just think, when illegal alien amnesty passes, we'll have millions more of these folks to exploit.


You realize that "these folks" are already here to exploit, right? I mean, the whole reason they are illegal aliens is that they are here now. If there weren't here, they wouldn't be illegal aliens. People are already employing them, that's the main reason most of them are here in the first place. They aren't all just waiting at the border to git yer jobs once Obama gives the signal.
 
2013-07-01 10:03:43 PM
Is this the thread where I can make racist statements about H1-B visa workers?

/stealin' our jobs
//farking our women
///generally stinking up the place
 
2013-07-01 10:13:52 PM

gfid: Is this the thread where I can make racist statements about H1-B visa workers?


If we don't hire them en masse, Gandhi nukes us.  So we'll just have to deal with it.
 
2013-07-01 10:39:17 PM

Dr Dreidel: My point is that temp agencies are soulless bloodsuckers  pimps.


FTFY.

I remember coming across the invoice for myself when I was a temp 20 years ago.  The agency was getting $20/hr.  I was getting $11/hr on my check, and no health insurance or 401k or anything.  I think the only actual thing Kelly Technical was good for was the workers comp coverage, but that's just because state employment law required it.  No way that came out to anything close to the difference of $9/hr.

Nothing like being a ho for the machine.
 
2013-07-01 11:02:33 PM
Don't these people have bootstraps? Slackers.
 
2013-07-01 11:22:34 PM
One more reason to kill temporary agencies with fire, from orbit. They're no different than labor unions in purpose, but protect the employer.

That can be done by including any form of expendable labor (except for FT) under the "not required to join as a condition of (continued) employment" part of Right to Work. If passed at the federal level, it would kill the expendable status of workers while permitting choice in employment.

To make sure that the European response cannot happen, have all new entrants and those that have not held a direct-hire, full-benefit job for at least 10 years(none of which can be at a contractor) be given protected status. If you lose your job after 10 years, the clock starts over. If you lose employment before(or if you're downgraded), the clock stops.

Between these two provisions, one can take away the idea of expendable employment while preserving freedom of choice. That, and it incentivizes employers to respect their help and not try to churn it.
 
2013-07-01 11:25:50 PM

EvilEgg: If you have no skills beyond a warm body life will always be rough.


Hot chicks everywhere disagree.
 
2013-07-01 11:27:00 PM

Bonzo_1116: Dr Dreidel: My point is that temp agencies are soulless bloodsuckers  pimps.

FTFY.

I remember coming across the invoice for myself when I was a temp 20 years ago.  The agency was getting $20/hr.  I was getting $11/hr on my check, and no health insurance or 401k or anything.  I think the only actual thing Kelly Technical was good for was the workers comp coverage, but that's just because state employment law required it.  No way that came out to anything close to the difference of $9/hr.

Nothing like being a ho for the machine.


How ironic that you say that and be hired by the temporary agency that built itself on prostitution(the Kelly "Never-Never" Girls). They billed it as independence to make sure that any objection would come across as chauvinistic, even though they were building the next form of slavery.
 
2013-07-01 11:43:20 PM
Working as a temp right now in a manufacturing company. I basically do the same job as the "Machinist" positions that get paid twice as much as me, but I only get $10 per hour. I took the job because I only have a year of school (completed a Certificate program), and no other shop experience. I've applied for other jobs in the meantime, but nothing yet.

So I'm basically working 50-60 hours/6 days a week in a job that won't hire me on permanently, being paid chicken feed, and working so much I pretty much have no time to interview for anything else. I actually end up taking unpaid time off for interviews if I get a promising one, telling them I have a doctor/dentist appointment.

They've been promising me that they'd open up a permanent position since last December, but there's been nothing. They claim they need me so much that I have to work these insane hours, and yet they don't need me enough to hire me permanently.

I'm giving them until the end of the summer, then if there's still no permanent position, I'm gonna give my notice, go back to school for an Associate's, and at least I'll have a year's experience to put on a resume next time.

But this has pretty much soured me for working as a temp - although it's not the agency's fault as they merely provide a service. It's the fault of the companies who try to save money at the cost of any kind of employee loyalty by abusing the service. If they hire me on, even at a modest salary (probably about what they pay the temp agency anyway), I'd probably stay. But basically being told (not directly, but by their actions) that they could care less if I stay or go because they figure they can just replace me makes me really not care about my work or the company. Just show up, punch in, work, punch out, go home.

The fun thing is that people have been quitting so frequently that very few people have much experience on running the screw machines I run (Right now I'm one of 6 trained operators, 3 per shift, each operating 2 machines). They hire new temps, but most of them can't even use a micrometer or read a blueprint, until they take the time to train them. Therefore if I quit, there's a good chance they couldn't get someone trained fast enough to keep up with production, and they might lose their contract. And it would be their own fault.
 
2013-07-01 11:52:31 PM

DoughyGuy: The fun thing is that people have been quitting so frequently that very few people have much experience on running the screw machines I run (Right now I'm one of 6 trained operators, 3 per shift, each operating 2 machines). They hire new temps, but most of them can't even use a micrometer or read a blueprint, until they take the time to train them. Therefore if I quit, there's a good chance they couldn't get someone trained fast enough to keep up with production, and they might lose their contract. And it would be their own fault.


They'll find somebody. They found you, right? That's why these temp agencies work: There are way more skilled (or semi-skilled), desperate people than there are jobs.
 
2013-07-02 12:42:59 AM

gfid: Is this the thread where I can make racist statements about H1-B visa workers?

/stealin' our jobs
//farking our women
///generally stinking up the place


If not, it's the thread where you chide the temp workers for not all having engineering degrees.
 
2013-07-02 12:52:39 AM
I can't wait until Fartbongo Death Panels kicks in.  Every company with more than 50 full time employees is going to be cutting their part time workers to under 28 hours or firing their full time employees to get under the cap.
 
2013-07-02 01:09:38 AM
Yeah, it's good if you're a software guy (willing to work for peanuts based on what I've seen offered lately in adverts lately).

Heard today that for every software programmer/engineer, there are 10 openings here in the states.

In my recent experience being the interviewer, it's too bad that most of them can seem to write code, but they can't problem solve for shiat.
 
2013-07-02 01:13:02 AM

rmcooper4: If not, it's the thread where you chide the temp workers for not all having engineering degrees.


Yes, yes. Go into debt to get an STEM degree. Do it.
 
2013-07-02 01:30:31 AM

Smeggy Smurf: I can't wait until Fartbongo Death Panels kicks in.  Every company with more than 50 full time employees is going to be cutting their part time workers to under 28 hours or firing their full time employees to get under the cap.


Well, you can also replace all those you can with our new No-Longer-Illegal immigrants since they don't count against the 50 cap.
 
2013-07-02 02:16:46 AM

Linux_Yes: EvilEgg: If you have no skills beyond a warm body life will always be rough.


and if your skills aren't better than the dude in Red China who will do your job for 1/5th the cost and no health insurance and no piss breaks.  sleep well, Freedom lover.


I used to work for a staffing division of a temp agency - in other words, my bosses supplied the 'unskilled' labor to local factories and warehouses, while the folks on the other side of the room hired and sent out more white collar employees. I literally read hundreds, possibly a couple thousand of resumes and applications in the three months I worked there, because my big project was to weed out all the people who hadn't worked for them in a year or so from the giant file cabinets.

You would be very, very surprised at the qualifications of the people desperate enough to apply through that and I assume the other agencies. Most big companies have figured out it is much cheaper/more efficient to have an agency interview, background check, drug test, and assign workers to appropriate roles than it is to have their own HR people do it. I have to assume that these days HR departments do more internal management than hiring, from what I saw. And we had some contracts with companies that rhyme with 'Godak' and 'Herox'; local institutions to Rochester NY, if you will...
 
2013-07-02 04:29:51 AM

DoughyGuy: Working as a temp right now in a manufacturing company. I basically do the same job as the "Machinist" positions that get paid twice as much as me, but I only get $10 per hour. I took the job because I only have a year of school (completed a Certificate program), and no other shop experience. I've applied for other jobs in the meantime, but nothing yet.

So I'm basically working 50-60 hours/6 days a week in a job that won't hire me on permanently, being paid chicken feed, and working so much I pretty much have no time to interview for anything else. I actually end up taking unpaid time off for interviews if I get a promising one, telling them I have a doctor/dentist appointment.

They've been promising me that they'd open up a permanent position since last December, but there's been nothing. They claim they need me so much that I have to work these insane hours, and yet they don't need me enough to hire me permanently.

I'm giving them until the end of the summer, then if there's still no permanent position, I'm gonna give my notice, go back to school for an Associate's, and at least I'll have a year's experience to put on a resume next time.

But this has pretty much soured me for working as a temp - although it's not the agency's fault as they merely provide a service. It's the fault of the companies who try to save money at the cost of any kind of employee loyalty by abusing the service. If they hire me on, even at a modest salary (probably about what they pay the temp agency anyway), I'd probably stay. But basically being told (not directly, but by their actions) that they could care less if I stay or go because they figure they can just replace me makes me really not care about my work or the company. Just show up, punch in, work, punch out, go home.

The fun thing is that people have been quitting so frequently that very few people have much experience on running the screw machines I run (Right now I'm one of 6 trained operators, 3 per shift, each operating 2 machines). They hire new temps, but most of them can't even use a micrometer or read a blueprint, until they take the time to train them. Therefore if I quit, there's a good chance they couldn't get someone trained fast enough to keep up with production, and they might lose their contract. And it would be their own fault.


Reading your story really makes me appreciate what I have. Thank you for sharing. One question though. If you are going to stay through the summer but then are leaving to get your associate's degree, what's the benefit of waiting until the end of summer? You said that you'd have one year under your belt in the manufacuring field which will look good to future employers, but what good will that do you if you have an associate's degree? Won't you then be qualified/trained for a white collar job that won't care about your one year of experience in a blue collar job? Just curious.
 
2013-07-02 04:33:34 AM

8 inches: DoughyGuy: Working as a temp right now in a manufacturing company. I basically do the same job as the "Machinist" positions that get paid twice as much as me, but I only get $10 per hour. I took the job because I only have a year of school (completed a Certificate program), and no other shop experience. I've applied for other jobs in the meantime, but nothing yet.

So I'm basically working 50-60 hours/6 days a week in a job that won't hire me on permanently, being paid chicken feed, and working so much I pretty much have no time to interview for anything else. I actually end up taking unpaid time off for interviews if I get a promising one, telling them I have a doctor/dentist appointment.

They've been promising me that they'd open up a permanent position since last December, but there's been nothing. They claim they need me so much that I have to work these insane hours, and yet they don't need me enough to hire me permanently.

I'm giving them until the end of the summer, then if there's still no permanent position, I'm gonna give my notice, go back to school for an Associate's, and at least I'll have a year's experience to put on a resume next time.

But this has pretty much soured me for working as a temp - although it's not the agency's fault as they merely provide a service. It's the fault of the companies who try to save money at the cost of any kind of employee loyalty by abusing the service. If they hire me on, even at a modest salary (probably about what they pay the temp agency anyway), I'd probably stay. But basically being told (not directly, but by their actions) that they could care less if I stay or go because they figure they can just replace me makes me really not care about my work or the company. Just show up, punch in, work, punch out, go home.

The fun thing is that people have been quitting so frequently that very few people have much experience on running the screw machines I run (Right now I'm one of 6 trained operators, 3 per shift, each o ...


Associate's Degrees come in technical flavors, like machinist, mechanic and electrician.
 
2013-07-02 04:54:00 AM
Work for AAA roadside assistance through the randstadbeen staffing agency while I finish up in college. They treat you like any of their other employees, so it's pretty cool except for only getting 30 hours a week.

One option with this job is to eventually do something similar for Union Pacific (my stepfather can get me an interview) where the work is pretty similar except they pay you ~$50k a year to do it and have a lovely retirement package.

Still better than my last job at a gas station, I've been gone two months and they've hired two people to replace me, both of whom lasted a day then quit
 
2013-07-02 05:17:42 AM

8 inches: Reading your story really makes me appreciate what I have. Thank you for sharing. One question though. If you are going to stay through the summer but then are leaving to get your associate's degree, what's the benefit of waiting until the end of summer? You said that you'd have one year under your belt in the manufacuring field which will look good to future employers, but what good will that do you if you have an associate's degree? Won't you then be qualified/trained for a white collar job that won't care about your one year of experience in a blue collar job? Just curious.


It's probably something like why I'm not in school over the summer; my school just doesn't offer the classes I need during the break (all IT credits, student body around 3500 with lots of business majors, so not worth running classes, damn them). Yes, technically I could have taken other things, but it would have been online which I hate, and probably lame liberal arts stuff which I don't really want to spend yet more money on...
 
2013-07-02 05:57:54 AM

Dr J Zoidberg: Work for AAA roadside assistance through the randstadbeen staffing agency while I finish up in college. They treat you like any of their other employees, so it's pretty cool except for only getting 30 hours a week.


Don't you mean 29 hours, courtesy of PPACA-related avoidance?  Or is it actually 30 and thus meeting the minimums?  These days, it seems like that any employer not avoiding PPACA minimums(which should never have been there) is a very rare bird.


ladyfortuna: You would be very, very surprised at the qualifications of the people desperate enough to apply through that and I assume the other agencies. Most big companies have figured out it is much cheaper/more efficient to have an agency interview, background check, drug test, and assign workers to appropriate roles than it is to have their own HR people do it. I have to assume that these days HR departments do more internal management than hiring, from what I saw.


Sounds like they protect the employer more than they do anything for the people seeking work.  There's no incentive for the staffing agency to help the party that isn't paying - especially with higher churn areas where employers can exert monopsonic force on the labor market.  There's plenty of incentive for protecting the employer - even if it means bad employment practices - since they are the revenue stream and the worker is simply the means for it.


DoughyGuy: They've been promising me that they'd open up a permanent position since last December, but there's been nothing. They claim they need me so much that I have to work these insane hours, and yet they don't need me enough to hire me permanently.


That's called permatemping.  It's something that happens when employers will throw every excuse out to avoid something they never intend to do - hire you on permanently.  Unfortunately it has come to the United States due to economic and regulatory complaints; it used to be something that Happened Elsewhere(for the most part).


/I've yet to see a case of indirect hiring that works for the masses and doesn't end up being more than being "any port in a storm" employment
//It may save money, but the only way it works well for someone is if they could refuse more costly (to an employer) forms of work
 
2013-07-02 06:52:49 AM

AngryDragon: Don't these people have bootstraps? Slackers.


Nah.  They raised the price 200%.  And then rigged the financial aid to only aid those with "merit".
 
2013-07-02 07:31:12 AM
ladyfortuna: 8 inches: Reading your story really makes me appreciate what I have. Thank you for sharing. One question though. If you are going to stay through the summer but then are leaving to get your associate's degree, what's the benefit of waiting until the end of summer? You said that you'd have one year under your belt in the manufacuring field which will look good to future employers, but what good will that do you if you have an associate's degree? Won't you then be qualified/trained for a white collar job that won't care about your one year of experience in a blue collar job? Just curious.
 
It's probably something like why I'm not in school over the summer; my school just doesn't offer the classes I need during the break (all IT credits, student body around 3500 with lots of business majors, so not worth running classes, damn them). Yes, technically I could have taken other things, but it would have been online which I hate, and probably lame liberal arts stuff which I don't really want to spend yet more money on...

This (the school doesn't offer most of the courses for an Associates in CAD/CAM Tech. I still need in the summer), and also the fact that I'm trying to make sure I'll have enough money saved up to live off of while I'm in school. I don't have an expensive lifestyle, but I'd like to try to avoid living off my credit cards if I can (especially because I'll probably end up putting my classes on it).
 
2013-07-02 07:46:16 AM
And around here if you want temp help we go around back of the HomeDepot. Unskilled labor that is.
 
2013-07-02 07:48:24 AM

Mister Buttons: EvilEgg: If you have no skills beyond a warm body life will always be rough.

Hot chicks everywhere disagree.


"She carries her survival kit between her legs"

(Memorable line from a corny novel or film about doomsday I saw or read years ago, blech)
 
2013-07-02 08:17:15 AM
Mother Jones admitting that Mexican immigrants are depressing wages and taking jobs from whites and blacks.....wow.

The end must be very, very near.
 
2013-07-02 08:19:33 AM
American employers have been offshoring so long, they don't know when they're looking at the best, brightest, most highly skilled workforce available to them. Whichever company wakes up first (or third, after Apple and Startbucks, who are already mopping up thousands of highly-skilled American workers) will win the prize: American worker loyalty, which is a lucrative resource indeed.
 
2013-07-02 08:43:18 AM

mccallcl: American employers have been offshoring so long, they don't know when they're looking at the best, brightest, most highly skilled workforce available to them. Whichever company wakes up first (or third, after Apple and Startbucks, who are already mopping up thousands of highly-skilled American workers) will win the prize: American worker loyalty, which is a lucrative resource indeed.


Yeah, because it takes a masters degree to sell a tablet or pour a cup of coffee...
 
2013-07-02 08:43:53 AM
I work in Kent county, MI, which is #3 on the list of highest concentrations of temp workers.  The company I work for uses temps in the less-skilled manufacturing positions to keep the staffing levels flexible (It means almost never having to lay off your direct hires) and for jobs like "sample runner" in the laboratories because it's nearly impossible to retain an employee long-term in a position like that and it basically works as an extended interview for entry-level lab jobs.

A half dozen years back they put new rules into place to limit the amount of time a temp/contractor can work here.  That way, we don't have a culture of "permanent temps."  It's worked out pretty well.  We hire temps and if they are good we try to find them a direct-hire position before their contract expires.  If they're not good, their contract expires and we bring in a new temp.  They've also put initiatives in place to limit the percentage of temps we can have.  So we're always actively looking at what positions we can make "permanent."

I have a temp right now that we hired to help cover a coworker's maternity leave.  We pay the contract company about 150% of what he gets.  He's just out of school, ambitious and has a great attitude.  Unfortunately, we aren't going to have a spot for him here when my coworker gets back.

But even though he doesn't make much money (and no benefits) and we're not going to be able to keep him permanently, I wouldn't say he's getting a bad deal here.  It's extremely hard to get a job in my field with no experience.  He's getting that and he's developing a network, and because I see that he's a good employee I am going to help him to find work near the end of his contract.

My first job out of graduate school was a temp job that I was way over-qualified for.  But I met some people and got to put some experience on my resume, which opened the door to bigger and better things.  It sort of sucks, but it's the typical career path for entry-level people in my field.
 
2013-07-02 08:49:23 AM

AngryDragon: Yeah, because it takes a masters degree to sell a tablet or pour a cup of coffee...


It doesn't require one, but it seems to help. Both of those companies are business success stories and both hire American workers to interact with their customers. Apple is even hiring Americans in manufacturing. Not every company can be Apple or Starbuck's, just like not every country can be America.
 
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