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(The Atlantic Wire)   Ecuador's president revokes a "special travel document" that would have allowed James Snowden to travel there and seek asylum-not because he's afraid of US threats, but because he doesn't want to look like Julian Assange's biatch   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 78
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2013-07-01 02:51:54 PM

CarrieWhite: Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.


the Character Assasination of Asange was laughly inept and heavy handed.  The Character DEMONSTRATION put on by Assange since then has done far more damage to the Wikileaks cause than a pissed-off US government could have ever hoped to do.
 
2013-07-01 02:52:02 PM
What's the over/under on when Julian is tossed out of the embassy?
 
2013-07-01 02:52:15 PM

genner: CarrieWhite: Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.

It's more like character suicide. The guy was more likeable before he started making TV appearances.


to be fair, the guy Hayes what the u.s. government has done to hide their blunders, he's just doing the reporting work and making site his face isn't gone

/yeah, it comes of as "ha
ha, try to catch me you dumb farks" but it's better than the dumb reporting done by domestic news companies bow their heads to their great leaders
 
2013-07-01 02:53:06 PM

rikkitikkitavi: A Terrible Human: Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.

Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.

The first part of that option has already happened.  If he's floating around the airport, as most suspect he is, he's been debriefed already. The Russians are more than likely just fed up now, waiting for someone to take him off their hands.


With Showden I get the impression that 90% of the "intelligence" he has was collected via anal extraction. It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.
 
2013-07-01 02:54:07 PM

Magorn: airsupport: James?

apologies I keep fricking doing that in headlines even though I know it's Edward and * I Know*, that for some reason as I type, my brain will always want to change it to "James"


No apology needed!  I just thought maybe the NSA had added a new wrinkle to the whole story by introducing an "evil twin" concept.
 
2013-07-01 02:56:06 PM

netweavr: It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.


exactly.  Assange is a douche.  And Greenwald is a huge douche.  And Snowden is Greenwald's dumbshiat lacky that thinks he's important and doing some great service.  He's been the toolbox to the compliment of douches'
 
2013-07-01 02:56:29 PM

A Terrible Human: He gives off a douchey vibe. It's hard to explain.


Yeah...I don't hate him for the information he leaked, or for the mere existence of WikiLeaks. He just has a certain smug and AW factor that's unappealing.
 
2013-07-01 02:56:46 PM

neversubmit: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

We are Americans we hate who we are told to hate.


We have always been at war with Eastasia. Don't forget your two minutes hate!
 
2013-07-01 02:56:52 PM

sethstorm: digistil: Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.

It looks like Ecuador finally woke up to its senses and decided not to mess with the only hyperpower in the world, the United States of America.  Perhaps it can be a two-fer and that the US gets both Snowden and Assange.


Note: Technically Assange is only wanted for questioning by Sweden about potential sexual assaults, that's it. Whether Assange would somehow end up being given to America to face espionage charges is up to speculation.
 
2013-07-01 02:59:04 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Quien es mas macho?


Lloyd Bridges

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2013-07-01 03:01:57 PM

mikemil828: sethstorm: digistil: Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.

It looks like Ecuador finally woke up to its senses and decided not to mess with the only hyperpower in the world, the United States of America.  Perhaps it can be a two-fer and that the US gets both Snowden and Assange.

Note: Technically Assange is only wanted for questioning by Sweden about potential sexual assaults, that's it. Whether Assange would somehow end up being given to America to face espionage charges is up to speculation.


it isn't speculation, the sex charges are the way for him to be handed over to authorities

/it's the American way to charge you for farking while we fark you up the ass
//yes, I know there is more to the charge, but that's the gist of it
 
2013-07-01 03:04:41 PM

Bermuda59: What's the over/under on when Julian is tossed out of the embassy?


I think he's fine as long as he doesn't smart off to Correa in the media. This is all about him establishing himself while poking a stick at the US. If harboring Assange pisses us off, he'll do it as long as Assange plays along and doesn't sass.
 
2013-07-01 03:05:54 PM

netweavr: rikkitikkitavi: A Terrible Human: Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.

Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.

The first part of that option has already happened.  If he's floating around the airport, as most suspect he is, he's been debriefed already. The Russians are more than likely just fed up now, waiting for someone to take him off their hands.

With Showden I get the impression that 90% of the "intelligence" he has was collected via anal extraction. It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.


Russia offered him asylum if he promises no more leaks.
 
2013-07-01 03:06:42 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Quien es mas macho?


Correa no es macho, solamente un borracho
 
2013-07-01 03:06:59 PM

davidphogan: netweavr: rikkitikkitavi: A Terrible Human: Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.

Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.

The first part of that option has already happened.  If he's floating around the airport, as most suspect he is, he's been debriefed already. The Russians are more than likely just fed up now, waiting for someone to take him off their hands.

With Showden I get the impression that 90% of the "intelligence" he has was collected via anal extraction. It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.

Russia offered him asylum if he promises no more leaks.


Which he'll refuse or violate, thereby giving Russia a reason to deport him.
 
2013-07-01 03:09:15 PM

No Time To Explain: mikemil828: sethstorm: digistil: Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.

It looks like Ecuador finally woke up to its senses and decided not to mess with the only hyperpower in the world, the United States of America.  Perhaps it can be a two-fer and that the US gets both Snowden and Assange.

Note: Technically Assange is only wanted for questioning by Sweden about potential sexual assaults, that's it. Whether Assange would somehow end up being given to America to face espionage charges is up to speculation.

it isn't speculation, the sex charges are the way for him to be handed over to authorities

/it's the American way to charge you for farking while we fark you up the ass
//yes, I know there is more to the charge, but that's the gist of it


No, it is still speculation, just because the internet in general and Assange himself accepts it as the absolute truth doesn't make it any more than speculation.
 
2013-07-01 03:10:29 PM
The Guardian just reported Snowden has applied to become a Russian.
 
2013-07-01 03:13:19 PM

digistil: The Guardian just reported Snowden has applied to become a Russian.


Apply to become a Russkie, casually walk to Equador embassy, profit.
 
2013-07-01 03:13:39 PM

A Terrible Human: ACunningPlan: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.

He gives off a douchey vibe. It's hard to explain.


It's not hard to explain.  He's a giant farking douchebag.

It's like George Zimmerman:  he followed some guy, was told to keep his distance and not pursue, circled back, then was approached and savagely beaten, and wound up killing the guy in self-defense.  Okay, looks cut and dry.  The whole time, though, he was busy being a giant douchebag, making racist remarks, fuming his sense of superiority and contempt for everyone else who is automagically a criminal at the 911 dispatcher, etc.  Then he gets up and lies to the court about his money, makes a giant ass of himself, and continues to be a giant farking douchebag.  Innocent of murder?  Sure.  Innocent?  No, this is a man that needs to be shot in the face for no other reason than being himself; and some day he will give someone a reason to do so.

Assange is the same way.  Basically everybody who could hail him as a hero is going ... eeeeeeeehhhh fark it, he's a huge bag of dicks.
 
2013-07-01 03:17:47 PM

netweavr: Which he'll refuse or violate, thereby giving Russia a reason to deport him.


Couldn't he take the deal and sit on his hands while petitioning Iceland?

Alternatively, does it count as a leak if it's something he's already given to other people who just need his go ahead to decrypt?  Hell, release a whole bunch more in one go instead of piecemeal then take the offer and THEN get your ducks in a row as quickly as you can and then be patient.  Apparently you have to be in Iceland to apply, and I don't know if there are any direct flights or if he can even travel on asylum status from Russia.. but it's a thought.  Though apparently they do have an extradition treaty, so it'd be a bit risky...

/don't know
 
2013-07-01 03:36:38 PM
.....aaaaaaaand welcome to last f*cking Wednesday. Really, mods? Really?
 
2013-07-01 03:41:45 PM
wooo, go team USA! How quickly you absorb the media trite, then look for the next celeb to be interested in. Top value, and with the added bonus of perfect teeth.
 
2013-07-01 03:45:47 PM

ACunningPlan: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.


The fact that his agenda was and is to simply do as much damage to the US as possible, to the point that he framed his narrative and edited releases, and withheld releasing embarrassing items on other nations?

Handy Google Search for references
 
2013-07-01 04:03:03 PM
That's what he's saying now.

Yesterday there was a story about how Correa revoked the letter of transport after speaking to Joe Biden on the phone, and not only that, he was saying things like, "Well, a person still has to respect the laws of their country."

My guess is that Snowden is a dangerous comtemptuous little prick who is more trouble than he's worth, and Biden gave Correa some of the intelligence on hmi, and suddenly Correa was like, "Oh, maybe we don't actually want this raving messianic lunatic in our country."

Not that Biden probably didn't finish the phone call with the line, "But if, hearing all this, you decide to give him passage and asylum anyway, the United States will not be happy."
 
2013-07-01 04:10:23 PM

aerojockey: That's what he's saying now.

Yesterday there was a story about how Correa revoked the letter of transport after speaking to Joe Biden on the phone, and not only that, he was saying things like, "Well, a person still has to respect the laws of their country."

My guess is that Snowden is a dangerous comtemptuous little prick who is more trouble than he's worth, and Biden gave Correa some of the intelligence on hmi, and suddenly Correa was like, "Oh, maybe we don't actually want this raving messianic lunatic in our country."

Not that Biden probably didn't finish the phone call with the line, "But if, hearing all this, you decide to give him passage and asylum anyway, the United States will not be happy."


thelair.me
 
2013-07-01 04:21:40 PM

Carousel Beast: ACunningPlan: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.

The fact that his agenda was and is to simply do as much damage to the US as possible, to the point that he framed his narrative and edited releases, and withheld releasing embarrassing items on other nations?

Handy Google Search for references


That and the damage it did to the field of International Relations in general. Protip: people are less likely to want to work together to resolve a bad situation when they're afraid that they'll be exposed and sold out to the powerful people perpetuating those bad situations.
 
2013-07-01 04:21:42 PM

EdNortonsTwin: I can't wait to see how this all ends.


Not good for Snowden, but very good for the United States and its citizens.
 
2013-07-01 06:02:51 PM
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