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(The Atlantic Wire)   Ecuador's president revokes a "special travel document" that would have allowed James Snowden to travel there and seek asylum-not because he's afraid of US threats, but because he doesn't want to look like Julian Assange's biatch   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 78
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2013-07-01 02:25:18 PM  
Quien es mas macho?
 
2013-07-01 02:26:14 PM  
ruh roh.
 
2013-07-01 02:27:07 PM  
Well, to be fair, I have far more respect for Snowden than I do Assange.
 
2013-07-01 02:27:25 PM  
I'm torn between my admiration for Snowden and my utter contempt for Assange.
 
2013-07-01 02:27:37 PM  
James?
 
2013-07-01 02:27:53 PM  
I should be surprised that this whole mess is turning into a Lifetime special about fame-farking attention suckers, but I'm not.
 
2013-07-01 02:28:04 PM  
only last night i found my self lost.  stranded by king's cross
 
2013-07-01 02:28:16 PM  
Look Wikileaks may to some extent be a necessary and even good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that when you look up "self-aggrandizing Douche" in the dictionary, all you get is a picture of Assange
 
2013-07-01 02:28:57 PM  
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-07-01 02:29:06 PM  
He is already his biatch. Assange now has free range to do as many illegal things as he wants and be protected by a Ecuador. At some point he'll do cause enough pain to their dictatorship that Assange will get kicked out and end up hanging in an American prison like he should be.
 
2013-07-01 02:29:08 PM  

KhamanV: I should be surprised that this whole mess is turning into a Lifetime special about fame-farking attention suckers, but I'm not.


David Spade plays Snowden.

/too old but they could trowel on the make-up
 
2013-07-01 02:29:20 PM  
Dumbass tag? Well maybe, from the article it seems like some slick ambassadoring on the part of the U.S.
 
2013-07-01 02:29:30 PM  
It's amazing that a leader of a nation doesn't like someone trying to go above his authority.
 
2013-07-01 02:29:44 PM  
Only one that's a dumbass is subby.
 
2013-07-01 02:29:58 PM  

airsupport: James?


apologies I keep fricking doing that in headlines even though I know it's Edward and * I Know*, that for some reason as I type, my brain will always want to change it to "James"
 
2013-07-01 02:30:54 PM  

WTF Indeed: He is already his biatch. Assange now has free range to do as many illegal things as he wants and be protected by a Ecuador. At some point he'll do cause enough pain to their dictatorship that Assange will get kicked out and end up hanging in an American prison like he should be.


Free range, eh?
 
2013-07-01 02:31:02 PM  
Assange needs to shut the fark up.  What does he need to be involved in any of this, anyway?
 
2013-07-01 02:31:03 PM  
To be fair to Ecuador, the US probably could fark their shiat up in all kinds of ways, just by the stroke of various pens. There's standing on principle, and then there's gratuitously sabotaging your whole damn country.

But not wanting to look like Assange's biatch is a far more compelling reason.
 
2013-07-01 02:31:34 PM  

AeAe: Assange needs to shut the fark up.  What does he need to be involved in any of this, anyway?


Because he's an attention starved douchebag.
 
2013-07-01 02:31:38 PM  
Not surprising that a rapist like Assange has no self control.
 
2013-07-01 02:32:01 PM  
Wow, way to make yourself look like a farking weakling, Mr. President. "You're not the boss of me!!!"
 
2013-07-01 02:32:10 PM  
'LEAVE USA ALONE!' Putin
 
2013-07-01 02:32:24 PM  
Wasn't the U S threatening to cut the 10 million in aid we send to Ecuador? I know 10 mill isn't a lot for most countries but I believe it covers Ecuador's cable and part of the lectricity bill
 
2013-07-01 02:32:30 PM  
I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.
 
2013-07-01 02:32:32 PM  

WTF Indeed: He is already his biatch. Assange now has free range to do as many illegal things as he wants and be protected by a Ecuador. At some point he'll do cause enough pain to their dictatorship that Assange will get kicked out and end up hanging in an American prison like he should be.


Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.
 
2013-07-01 02:33:23 PM  
In his defense. Countries were more afraid of threats when Bush was in office.  The government these days prefers playing kickball with a rabbit than threaten anyone. Much less act on it.
 
2013-07-01 02:33:57 PM  

WTF Indeed: At some point he'll do cause enough pain to their dictatorship that Assange will get kicked out and end up hanging in an American prison like he should be.


You're probably right, although if it's any consolation, the broom closet in the Ecuadorian embassy in London that Assange lives in at the moment is probably starting to look a little prisonish.
 
2013-07-01 02:35:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, to be fair, I have far more respect for Snowden than I do Assange.


Yeah, when becoming a major public personage, it helps your case to not to look like you're the lead of a New Wave band.
 
2013-07-01 02:36:39 PM  
You dropped a "not" subby.
 
2013-07-01 02:37:13 PM  

Magorn: Look Wikileaks may to some extent be a necessary and even good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that when you look up "self-aggrandizing Douche" in the dictionary, all you get is a picture of Assange


I see the same picture next to "asshole attention whore" and "self-righteous narcissist prick" in mine.
 
2013-07-01 02:39:30 PM  

PonceAlyosha: hardinparamedic: Well, to be fair, I have far more respect for Snowden than I do Assange.

Yeah, when becoming a major public personage, it helps your case to not to look like you're the lead of a New Wave band.


But heee raaan he raaan soooo faaar awaaaay,he raaan,he raaaan all night and daaaaaaay. He couldn't get away.
 
2013-07-01 02:40:38 PM  
Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.
 
2013-07-01 02:41:23 PM  

netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.


How could you not hate a guy with that hair?
 
2013-07-01 02:42:13 PM  
Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.
 
2013-07-01 02:44:36 PM  

Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.


Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.
 
2013-07-01 02:44:58 PM  

digistil: Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.


It looks like Ecuador finally woke up to its senses and decided not to mess with the only hyperpower in the world, the United States of America.  Perhaps it can be a two-fer and that the US gets both Snowden and Assange.
 
2013-07-01 02:45:25 PM  

netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.


We are Americans we hate who we are told to hate.
 
2013-07-01 02:45:42 PM  

WTF Indeed: He is already his biatch. Assange now has free range to do as many illegal things as he wants and be protected by a Ecuador. At some point he'll do cause enough pain to their dictatorship that Assange will get kicked out and end up hanging in an American prison like he should be.


Assange is not a U.S. citizen and has never been to the U.S., and his position as publisher of leaked documents should be legally identical to that of the publisher of the New York Times. I fail to see how he "should" be in an American prison.
 
2013-07-01 02:47:34 PM  
Correa is establishing himself as the most powerful leftist leader in SA. Since 07 he has consolidated a broken country, re-established international trade(mostly exporting oil to US). Ecuador is applying for membership in Mercosur, and defiantly opening up trade negotiations with China and Iran. We're not doing anything about it because we want their oil so Correa's symbolic denouncement of ATPDEA last week and this move(both using snowden, assange as a front) are his announcement that he is taking charge and making the case that he is the voice of SA.
 
2013-07-01 02:47:45 PM  

CarrieWhite: Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.


if you can't charge him on the front you hate, charge him with farking somebody
 
2013-07-01 02:47:50 PM  
Yeah, looked over the Assange stuff again; there's no reason to hate him like this.
 
2013-07-01 02:47:54 PM  
So Ecuador chides Assange for AWing, and Assange calls two press conferences?

I can't wait to see how this all ends.
 
2013-07-01 02:48:06 PM  
...who's the dumbass, here?

Heaven forbid we confuse the 'message' with the 'messenger'.

.
 
2013-07-01 02:48:23 PM  

CarrieWhite: Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.


It's more like character suicide. The guy was more likeable before he started making TV appearances.
 
2013-07-01 02:49:04 PM  

dugitman: Correa is establishing himself as the most powerful leftist leader in SA. Since 07 he has consolidated a broken country, re-established international trade(mostly exporting oil to US). Ecuador is applying for membership in Mercosur, and defiantly opening up trade negotiations with China and Iran. We're not doing anything about it because we want their oil so Correa's symbolic denouncement of ATPDEA last week and this move(both using snowden, assange as a front) are his announcement that he is taking charge and making the case that he is the voice of SA.


Does that mean he is a tool of the CIA?
 
2013-07-01 02:49:42 PM  

netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.


Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.
 
2013-07-01 02:50:27 PM  

CarrieWhite: Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.


Bubble gum road blocks cherry tree paper clip.
 
2013-07-01 02:50:31 PM  

A Terrible Human: Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.

Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.


The first part of that option has already happened.  If he's floating around the airport, as most suspect he is, he's been debriefed already. The Russians are more than likely just fed up now, waiting for someone to take him off their hands.
 
2013-07-01 02:50:52 PM  

neversubmit: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

We are Americans we hate who we are told to hate.


But only Emmanuel Goldstein, and only for two minutes.
 
2013-07-01 02:51:10 PM  

ACunningPlan: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.


He gives off a douchey vibe. It's hard to explain.
 
2013-07-01 02:51:54 PM  

CarrieWhite: Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.


the Character Assasination of Asange was laughly inept and heavy handed.  The Character DEMONSTRATION put on by Assange since then has done far more damage to the Wikileaks cause than a pissed-off US government could have ever hoped to do.
 
2013-07-01 02:52:02 PM  
What's the over/under on when Julian is tossed out of the embassy?
 
2013-07-01 02:52:15 PM  

genner: CarrieWhite: Julian Assange's character assassination has worked a treat.

It's more like character suicide. The guy was more likeable before he started making TV appearances.


to be fair, the guy Hayes what the u.s. government has done to hide their blunders, he's just doing the reporting work and making site his face isn't gone

/yeah, it comes of as "ha
ha, try to catch me you dumb farks" but it's better than the dumb reporting done by domestic news companies bow their heads to their great leaders
 
2013-07-01 02:53:06 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: A Terrible Human: Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.

Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.

The first part of that option has already happened.  If he's floating around the airport, as most suspect he is, he's been debriefed already. The Russians are more than likely just fed up now, waiting for someone to take him off their hands.


With Showden I get the impression that 90% of the "intelligence" he has was collected via anal extraction. It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.
 
2013-07-01 02:54:07 PM  

Magorn: airsupport: James?

apologies I keep fricking doing that in headlines even though I know it's Edward and * I Know*, that for some reason as I type, my brain will always want to change it to "James"


No apology needed!  I just thought maybe the NSA had added a new wrinkle to the whole story by introducing an "evil twin" concept.
 
2013-07-01 02:56:06 PM  

netweavr: It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.


exactly.  Assange is a douche.  And Greenwald is a huge douche.  And Snowden is Greenwald's dumbshiat lacky that thinks he's important and doing some great service.  He's been the toolbox to the compliment of douches'
 
2013-07-01 02:56:29 PM  

A Terrible Human: He gives off a douchey vibe. It's hard to explain.


Yeah...I don't hate him for the information he leaked, or for the mere existence of WikiLeaks. He just has a certain smug and AW factor that's unappealing.
 
2013-07-01 02:56:46 PM  

neversubmit: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

We are Americans we hate who we are told to hate.


We have always been at war with Eastasia. Don't forget your two minutes hate!
 
2013-07-01 02:56:52 PM  

sethstorm: digistil: Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.

It looks like Ecuador finally woke up to its senses and decided not to mess with the only hyperpower in the world, the United States of America.  Perhaps it can be a two-fer and that the US gets both Snowden and Assange.


Note: Technically Assange is only wanted for questioning by Sweden about potential sexual assaults, that's it. Whether Assange would somehow end up being given to America to face espionage charges is up to speculation.
 
2013-07-01 02:59:04 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Quien es mas macho?


Lloyd Bridges

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2013-07-01 03:01:57 PM  

mikemil828: sethstorm: digistil: Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.

It looks like Ecuador finally woke up to its senses and decided not to mess with the only hyperpower in the world, the United States of America.  Perhaps it can be a two-fer and that the US gets both Snowden and Assange.

Note: Technically Assange is only wanted for questioning by Sweden about potential sexual assaults, that's it. Whether Assange would somehow end up being given to America to face espionage charges is up to speculation.


it isn't speculation, the sex charges are the way for him to be handed over to authorities

/it's the American way to charge you for farking while we fark you up the ass
//yes, I know there is more to the charge, but that's the gist of it
 
2013-07-01 03:04:41 PM  

Bermuda59: What's the over/under on when Julian is tossed out of the embassy?


I think he's fine as long as he doesn't smart off to Correa in the media. This is all about him establishing himself while poking a stick at the US. If harboring Assange pisses us off, he'll do it as long as Assange plays along and doesn't sass.
 
2013-07-01 03:05:54 PM  

netweavr: rikkitikkitavi: A Terrible Human: Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.

Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.

The first part of that option has already happened.  If he's floating around the airport, as most suspect he is, he's been debriefed already. The Russians are more than likely just fed up now, waiting for someone to take him off their hands.

With Showden I get the impression that 90% of the "intelligence" he has was collected via anal extraction. It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.


Russia offered him asylum if he promises no more leaks.
 
2013-07-01 03:06:42 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Quien es mas macho?


Correa no es macho, solamente un borracho
 
2013-07-01 03:06:59 PM  

davidphogan: netweavr: rikkitikkitavi: A Terrible Human: Gosling: Fun fact: Russia still has him, and Russia's attitude towards western extradition attempts is "hahahahahahahaha".

That's where he's going to stay.

Until they've pumped all the information they want out of him and then they'll willingly send him back or he'll be found to have killed himself with a few shots to the back of the head.

The first part of that option has already happened.  If he's floating around the airport, as most suspect he is, he's been debriefed already. The Russians are more than likely just fed up now, waiting for someone to take him off their hands.

With Showden I get the impression that 90% of the "intelligence" he has was collected via anal extraction. It took China/Russia a couple weeks to realize it and now they're working out a way to save face when they punt him back to the US.

Russia offered him asylum if he promises no more leaks.


Which he'll refuse or violate, thereby giving Russia a reason to deport him.
 
2013-07-01 03:09:15 PM  

No Time To Explain: mikemil828: sethstorm: digistil: Also, Ecuador today said they're considering kicking Assange out on the street as a result of his latest stunt.

It looks like Ecuador finally woke up to its senses and decided not to mess with the only hyperpower in the world, the United States of America.  Perhaps it can be a two-fer and that the US gets both Snowden and Assange.

Note: Technically Assange is only wanted for questioning by Sweden about potential sexual assaults, that's it. Whether Assange would somehow end up being given to America to face espionage charges is up to speculation.

it isn't speculation, the sex charges are the way for him to be handed over to authorities

/it's the American way to charge you for farking while we fark you up the ass
//yes, I know there is more to the charge, but that's the gist of it


No, it is still speculation, just because the internet in general and Assange himself accepts it as the absolute truth doesn't make it any more than speculation.
 
2013-07-01 03:10:29 PM  
The Guardian just reported Snowden has applied to become a Russian.
 
2013-07-01 03:13:19 PM  

digistil: The Guardian just reported Snowden has applied to become a Russian.


Apply to become a Russkie, casually walk to Equador embassy, profit.
 
2013-07-01 03:13:39 PM  

A Terrible Human: ACunningPlan: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.

He gives off a douchey vibe. It's hard to explain.


It's not hard to explain.  He's a giant farking douchebag.

It's like George Zimmerman:  he followed some guy, was told to keep his distance and not pursue, circled back, then was approached and savagely beaten, and wound up killing the guy in self-defense.  Okay, looks cut and dry.  The whole time, though, he was busy being a giant douchebag, making racist remarks, fuming his sense of superiority and contempt for everyone else who is automagically a criminal at the 911 dispatcher, etc.  Then he gets up and lies to the court about his money, makes a giant ass of himself, and continues to be a giant farking douchebag.  Innocent of murder?  Sure.  Innocent?  No, this is a man that needs to be shot in the face for no other reason than being himself; and some day he will give someone a reason to do so.

Assange is the same way.  Basically everybody who could hail him as a hero is going ... eeeeeeeehhhh fark it, he's a huge bag of dicks.
 
2013-07-01 03:17:47 PM  

netweavr: Which he'll refuse or violate, thereby giving Russia a reason to deport him.


Couldn't he take the deal and sit on his hands while petitioning Iceland?

Alternatively, does it count as a leak if it's something he's already given to other people who just need his go ahead to decrypt?  Hell, release a whole bunch more in one go instead of piecemeal then take the offer and THEN get your ducks in a row as quickly as you can and then be patient.  Apparently you have to be in Iceland to apply, and I don't know if there are any direct flights or if he can even travel on asylum status from Russia.. but it's a thought.  Though apparently they do have an extradition treaty, so it'd be a bit risky...

/don't know
 
2013-07-01 03:36:38 PM  
.....aaaaaaaand welcome to last f*cking Wednesday. Really, mods? Really?
 
2013-07-01 03:41:45 PM  
wooo, go team USA! How quickly you absorb the media trite, then look for the next celeb to be interested in. Top value, and with the added bonus of perfect teeth.
 
2013-07-01 03:45:47 PM  

ACunningPlan: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.


The fact that his agenda was and is to simply do as much damage to the US as possible, to the point that he framed his narrative and edited releases, and withheld releasing embarrassing items on other nations?

Handy Google Search for references
 
2013-07-01 04:03:03 PM  
That's what he's saying now.

Yesterday there was a story about how Correa revoked the letter of transport after speaking to Joe Biden on the phone, and not only that, he was saying things like, "Well, a person still has to respect the laws of their country."

My guess is that Snowden is a dangerous comtemptuous little prick who is more trouble than he's worth, and Biden gave Correa some of the intelligence on hmi, and suddenly Correa was like, "Oh, maybe we don't actually want this raving messianic lunatic in our country."

Not that Biden probably didn't finish the phone call with the line, "But if, hearing all this, you decide to give him passage and asylum anyway, the United States will not be happy."
 
2013-07-01 04:10:23 PM  

aerojockey: That's what he's saying now.

Yesterday there was a story about how Correa revoked the letter of transport after speaking to Joe Biden on the phone, and not only that, he was saying things like, "Well, a person still has to respect the laws of their country."

My guess is that Snowden is a dangerous comtemptuous little prick who is more trouble than he's worth, and Biden gave Correa some of the intelligence on hmi, and suddenly Correa was like, "Oh, maybe we don't actually want this raving messianic lunatic in our country."

Not that Biden probably didn't finish the phone call with the line, "But if, hearing all this, you decide to give him passage and asylum anyway, the United States will not be happy."


thelair.me
 
2013-07-01 04:21:40 PM  

Carousel Beast: ACunningPlan: netweavr: I still don't see what the hate surrounding Assange is about.

Fwiw, there's omething about Assange which gives me pause.  It's not because I disagree with what he did; there are plenty of people around whose views I don't share, but they don't provoke the same reaction.  I  just get the sense there's something not quite right about that bloke.  Can't explain the response, and I'll fully admit to that being totally irrational.

The fact that his agenda was and is to simply do as much damage to the US as possible, to the point that he framed his narrative and edited releases, and withheld releasing embarrassing items on other nations?

Handy Google Search for references


That and the damage it did to the field of International Relations in general. Protip: people are less likely to want to work together to resolve a bad situation when they're afraid that they'll be exposed and sold out to the powerful people perpetuating those bad situations.
 
2013-07-01 04:21:42 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: I can't wait to see how this all ends.


Not good for Snowden, but very good for the United States and its citizens.
 
2013-07-01 06:02:51 PM  
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