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(Columbus Dispatch)   Having difficulties passing massive abortion restrictions through the state legislature? Just slip them into the budget bill without debate and let the governor sign them into law. Taa daa   (dispatch.com ) divider line
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2013-07-01 02:27:20 PM  
More on the abortion bill. Link
 
2013-07-01 02:33:24 PM  
What does "without debate" mean, subby?  Your elected representatives unanimously agreed to slip the abortion restrictions into the budget bill?  Doesn't seem like it would matter if it was in a separate bill or not if that was the case.
 
2013-07-01 02:46:15 PM  
See, these are the kind of tricks you use when you have an overwhelming majority of support and are sure you have the moral high ground.
 
2013-07-01 02:50:46 PM  
Taking funds from contraception and cancer screening and putting it into the hands of religious "pregnancy crisis centers"?

How can you call yourself pro-life and say "but we want women to get breast cancer"?
 
2013-07-01 02:52:53 PM  
Anyone have any good stock tips for ohio coat hanger manufacturers?
 
2013-07-01 02:53:59 PM  

ikanreed: Taking funds from contraception and cancer screening and putting it into the hands of religious "pregnancy crisis centers"?

How can you call yourself pro-life and say "but we want women to get breast cancer"?


They believe they are doing the right thing.

Believe, means to except without proof.
 
2013-07-01 02:54:07 PM  
Small Government
 
2013-07-01 02:54:15 PM  

ikanreed: Taking funds from contraception and cancer screening and putting it into the hands of religious "pregnancy crisis centers"?


Who are then paid to tell (lie to) women that an abortion increases the risk of breast cancer. Full derp circle!
 
2013-07-01 02:54:27 PM  
Dammit, Ohio...

/ I know too many people back in Ohio who are probably overjoyed about this.
// Granted, these are the same people who think the Earth is 6000 years old and they're going to get Raptured so God can destroy the liberals any minute now...
/// I live in Mass. for a reason
 
2013-07-01 02:55:05 PM  
Theocratic scum
 
2013-07-01 02:55:46 PM  
Unreal.
 
2013-07-01 02:56:12 PM  

impaler: Theocratic scum


To be fair, some of them are just morons.
 
2013-07-01 02:58:18 PM  
I was just happy that it wasn't another thing that my insane state did.
 
2013-07-01 02:58:21 PM  
"It took great compassion and courage for our governor and pro-life legislature to stand up to the abortion industry that blatantly pressured them," said Mike Gonidakis, president of Ohio Right to Life.

From a group that blatantly pressured him to sign this kind of shiat, I find a statement like this to be extremely close to divide by zero territory. Really, the way to fix this is to not allow shiat to be slipped in like this. If it is unrelated, it can't go in the bill, period.
 
2013-07-01 02:59:50 PM  
Good job, Democracy.
 
2013-07-01 03:01:16 PM  

ikanreed: Taking funds from contraception and cancer screening and putting it into the hands of religious "pregnancy crisis centers"?

How can you call yourself pro-life and say "but we want women to get breast cancer"?


Breast cancer is part of God's plan.
 
2013-07-01 03:01:23 PM  

ikanreed: Taking funds from contraception and cancer screening and putting it into the hands of religious "pregnancy crisis centers"?

How can you call yourself pro-life and say "but we want women to get breast cancer"?


Dude. You don't get it. They are going to pray that no woman gets cancer. God will take care of the rest. If he doesn't, it wasn't meant to be.
 
2013-07-01 03:02:13 PM  
"if a woman develops a medical problem during an abortion, clinics will no longer be allowed to transfer them to a public hospital for care"

clearly a pro-life clause there.

mandatory ultrasounds that the patient has to pay for even if the doctor doesn't think it's necessary.

so it seems that their concern with Obamacare coming between you and your doctor was all for show too right?
 
2013-07-01 03:03:27 PM  

ikanreed: How can you call yourself pro-life and say "but we want women to get breast cancer"?


Pro life means doing anything and everything to protect a blastocyst, zygote, embryo and fetus, no matter how much work or what the cost.  Once that baby comes into the world, it's now iimediately a tool for slut-shaming, bootstrappiness lectures, and anecdotes about how wealthy white guys are magically always in line behind Shakreefa when she buys T-bone steak and King Crab legs with her EBT card.
 
2013-07-01 03:04:31 PM  

busy chillin': Small Government


You have to shrink government if you want it to fit into a vagina.
 
2013-07-01 03:04:36 PM  

Hobodeluxe: "if a woman develops a medical problem during an abortion, clinics will no longer be allowed to transfer them to a public hospital for care"

clearly a pro-life clause there.

mandatory ultrasounds that the patient has to pay for even if the doctor doesn't think it's necessary.

so it seems that their concern with Obamacare coming between you and your doctor was all for show too right?


They want it done their way.
 
2013-07-01 03:05:23 PM  
What exactly is the end game with all these abortion bans?  What is the visualized, ideal outcome?  It used to be against the law, but I don't think it was a blockade to premarital sex and other fornication.  God hasn't opened up the earth in the last 40 years to punish us, nor any other society with legal abortion law.

What is the goal?
 
2013-07-01 03:06:18 PM  

factoryconnection: What is the goal?


Patriarchy preservation.
 
2013-07-01 03:08:37 PM  

factoryconnection: What exactly is the end game with all these abortion bans?  What is the visualized, ideal outcome?  It used to be against the law, but I don't think it was a blockade to premarital sex and other fornication.  God hasn't opened up the earth in the last 40 years to punish us, nor any other society with legal abortion law.

What is the goal?


Women out of the workforce and back to being dependent on men, so doughy little bowtie-wearing Republican shiats can actually bribe their way into someone's pants.
 
2013-07-01 03:09:09 PM  

ikanreed: How can you call yourself pro-life and say "but we want women to get breast cancer"?


They don't care if you or any other rational person recognizes the gaping hole in that logic. All that matters is that the assholes who vote for them and send them money think they're saving babies.
 
2013-07-01 03:09:47 PM  

serial_crusher: What does "without debate" mean, subby?  Your elected representatives unanimously agreed to slip the abortion restrictions into the budget bill?  Doesn't seem like it would matter if it was in a separate bill or not if that was the case.


Meaning, the motion wasn't put to the floor for discussion, simply slipped into the bill.

Along with the regressive taxes Ohio just enacted, we're on the fast path to Brownbackistan.
 
2013-07-01 03:10:51 PM  
FTFA: Among the other proposals that Kasich vetoed:

• Allowing chiropractors to join doctors in clearing young athletes to return to action after a concussion.


Um, WHAT THE FARKING FARK?
 
2013-07-01 03:11:10 PM  

factoryconnection: What exactly is the end game with all these abortion bans?  What is the visualized, ideal outcome?  It used to be against the law, but I don't think it was a blockade to premarital sex and other fornication.  God hasn't opened up the earth in the last 40 years to punish us, nor any other society with legal abortion law.

What is the goal?


For the religious right, it's about punishing sluts. For the rest of the Republican filth, it's about creating more poor children so their corporate Johns can have a bigger pool of cheap labor when they grow up.
 
2013-07-01 03:11:11 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: factoryconnection: What is the goal?

Patriarchy preservation.


getting fundies to vote for them
 
2013-07-01 03:11:56 PM  
So brave.
 
2013-07-01 03:12:56 PM  

factoryconnection: What exactly is the end game with all these abortion bans?  What is the visualized, ideal outcome?  It used to be against the law, but I don't think it was a blockade to premarital sex and other fornication.  God hasn't opened up the earth in the last 40 years to punish us, nor any other society with legal abortion law.

What is the goal?


Abortions for the wealthy and connected only.  It makes it easier to judge the lesser folk on their poor life decisions when there are more and worse consequences.
 
2013-07-01 03:13:14 PM  
i.usatoday.net
 
2013-07-01 03:13:45 PM  

The Third Man: FTFA: Among the other proposals that Kasich vetoed:

• Allowing chiropractors to join doctors in clearing young athletes to return to action after a concussion.

Um, WHAT THE FARKING FARK?


Anti-abortion idiots don't understand medicine or biology.  They have made that clear over and over and over again.

Oooh, that'a  great idea!  Make it so some sort of alt-med quack has to approve all abortions.  That'll show the sluts.
 
2013-07-01 03:14:00 PM  
Didn't a federal judge just smack down another state for trying to disqualify Planned Parenthood from state-administered federal funding?
 
2013-07-01 03:17:21 PM  

The Third Man: FTFA: Among the other proposals that Kasich vetoed:

• Allowing chiropractors to join doctors in clearing young athletes to return to action after a concussion.

Um, WHAT THE FARKING FARK?


That concussion can be fixed with an adjustment of your subluxation and some aromatherapy.  If Make Shanahan had had a chiropractor on the field in January, RGIII would be healthier than ever.  Sure, traditional western medicine says that he tore his knee up, but really it was just sciatica.
 
2013-07-01 03:17:36 PM  

Hobodeluxe: "if a woman develops a medical problem during an abortion, clinics will no longer be allowed to transfer them to a public hospital for care"


So what, they just let them die? How is that restriction legal?
 
2013-07-01 03:19:53 PM  

Nem Wan: Didn't a federal judge just smack down another state for trying to disqualify Planned Parenthood from state-administered federal funding?


When has that ever stopped Republicans from passing an aboortion law?
 
2013-07-01 03:20:58 PM  

Hobodeluxe: getting fundies to vote for them


Well, for the politician, yeah... that's just obvious.

But behind it all has to be an end game for the people that vote for them.  "Oh good, we've gotten rid of abortions in our state... now we can look forward to _____."   And the "____" isn't something bad, and they can't all be tenting their fingers, fantasizing about oppressing women.

Even if it is "a society that's gotten right with God," then what?  "Right with God" doesn't lend itself to metrics, and nor does it actually do anything on the temporal plane.
 
2013-07-01 03:21:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: mandatory ultrasounds that the patient has to pay for even if the doctor doesn't think it's necessary.


Because of the way this bill redefines "pregnancy," it also means that women in Ohio will need to get an ultrasound in order to get birth control, as well as wait 24 hours to get birth control.
 
2013-07-01 03:22:51 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Because of the way this bill redefines "pregnancy," it also means that women in Ohio will need to get an ultrasound in order to get birth control, as well as wait 24 hours to get birth control.


Does it also outlaw IVF?  Those are all fertilized eggs in the freezer until they pop them into a waiting womb, most of which will fail to implant.
 
2013-07-01 03:23:03 PM  

PanicMan: Hobodeluxe: "if a woman develops a medical problem during an abortion, clinics will no longer be allowed to transfer them to a public hospital for care"

So what, they just let them die? How is that restriction legal?


Because Jesus.
 
2013-07-01 03:26:19 PM  

PanicMan: Hobodeluxe: "if a woman develops a medical problem during an abortion, clinics will no longer be allowed to transfer them to a public hospital for care"

So what, they just let them die? How is that restriction legal?


Because women who have sex for any reason beyond 'Passing on the father's genes' are sluts and deserve to be punished. Seriously, that's what quite a few anti-choice shiatheads actually believe, whether they'll say so or not.
 
2013-07-01 03:29:18 PM  
Women must be punished for their whoring ways.  Banning abortion and reproductive health care services is a great way to do it.
 
2013-07-01 03:32:12 PM  

BSABSVR: ikanreed: How can you call yourself pro-life and say "but we want women to get breast cancer"?

Pro life means doing anything and everything to protect a blastocyst, zygote, embryo and fetus, no matter how much work or what the cost.  Once that baby comes into the world, it's now iimediately a tool for slut-shaming, bootstrappiness lectures, and anecdotes about how wealthy white guys are magically always in line behind Shakreefa when she buys T-bone steak and King Crab legs with her EBT card.


Posted in another thread, bears repeating

/ ad infinitum

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2013-07-01 03:38:54 PM  

factoryconnection: Even if it is "a society that's gotten right with God," then what?


You don't want to hear it, but that IS the goal. When their favorite preacher tells them "We're right with god", they'll get out of politics, but it's like waging the war on terror (or poverty or drugs) - waging the war IS the goal; winning it takes a distant backseat (or isn't even conceived of).

By their logic, England is more right with god than the US, as they have Some Flavor of Jesus(TM?) as the official state religion. But they'd never say so, because that would deny them the ability to say that the US is special because we're exceptional (and it is that excpetionability that makes us special).

// but they're socialist, so god likes us more?
// dude, I don't know - it's all Calvinball with these nutjobs
// a Calvinball where Cognitive Dissonance and Doublethink are always tied (umpty-bumpty with a player to be named later)
 
2013-07-01 03:39:25 PM  
Well, it's there.  Republicans in Ohio show their true colors - and it's not red, it's yellow.  They couldn't allow this to come up for a debate.  And this is what much of the rest of the country faces and a right for choice will have to won state by state, or there will have to be some larger problem identified with these efforts.

Lying and obfuscation - every Republican states that they are campaigning for jobs, but you just have to assume that every Republican - EVERY REPUBLICAN - is actually going to carry out this type of agenda.  So if we really want these rights that are being taken away, we'll have to declare war on Republicans.
 
2013-07-01 03:45:35 PM  
Exempting spider monkeys from requirements in Ohio's new dangerous wild animal law. Kasich called it an "unjustified step backward."

Really... and preventing women from Planned Parenthood services isn't? Think of the spider monkeys!
 
2013-07-01 03:46:44 PM  

macadamnut: [i.usatoday.net image 490x360]


The standard Muslim take on abortion is actually a lot more liberal than the standard Republican line. Both are crazy, but the Republican view is worse. Seriously.
 
2013-07-01 03:50:23 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: factoryconnection: What is the goal?

Patriarchy preservation.



Slut shaming.
 
2013-07-01 03:51:40 PM  

PanicMan: Hobodeluxe: "if a woman develops a medical problem during an abortion, clinics will no longer be allowed to transfer them to a public hospital for care"

So what, they just let them die? How is that restriction legal?


No, they have to transfer them to a PRIVATE hospital. Private hospitals can then deny care if the patient doesn't have insurance. The last major hospital in my area went private a few years ago, and they won't touch you without insurance now. They even denied a friend of mine who offered to pay cash in advance for the stitches he needed to close up a cut in his hand... though they offered to fly him to the nearest public hospital in Knoxville and bill him for that. He ended up getting a veterinarian to stitch him up.
 
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