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2013-07-01 10:14:49 AM  
"What about Res Ipsa Loquitur?" the judge asked again.

Kassem said it had something to do with negligence and the judge said, "That's close enough."


Seriously? I know it's Jersey, but I don't want an attorney who knows less Latin than I do, especially when it comes to legal terms.
 
2013-07-01 10:15:54 AM  

simplicimus: "What about Res Ipsa Loquitur?" the judge asked again.

Kassem said it had something to do with negligence and the judge said, "That's close enough."

Seriously? I know it's Jersey, but I don't want an attorney who knows less Latin than I do, especially when it comes to legal terms.


Maybe he can blame it on yoots.
 
2013-07-01 10:21:17 AM  
Was the officer plain clothes or wearing a uniform, on duty or off?
 
2013-07-01 10:21:40 AM  

AgentKGB: simplicimus: "What about Res Ipsa Loquitur?" the judge asked again.

Kassem said it had something to do with negligence and the judge said, "That's close enough."

Seriously? I know it's Jersey, but I don't want an attorney who knows less Latin than I do, especially when it comes to legal terms.

Maybe he can blame it on yoots.


Well, at least the Judge didn't ask him about grits.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-01 10:27:14 AM  
I believe all states follow the corpus delicti rule, although spelling varies and some poorly educated judges prefer to say "corroboration rule."
 
2013-07-01 10:45:30 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-01 10:47:49 AM  

ZAZ: corpus delicti


You know who else found corpses delicious?
 
2013-07-01 10:47:51 AM  

ZAZ: I believe all states follow the corpus delicti rule, although spelling varies and some poorly educated judges prefer to say "corroboration rule."


That makes me wonder. Here in Houston we elect judges, so I don't know if any legal experience is required.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-01 10:50:52 AM  
simplicimus

If I recall correctly, New York village judges have to attend training if they aren't lawyers.

Ohio Mayor's courts also have different rules for lawyers and non-lawyers presiding.
 
2013-07-01 11:10:32 AM  

Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?



Catholics.

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-01 11:13:03 AM  

FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Catholics.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]


Bleh. They taste like cardboard.  That's why you get the wine to wash it down.
 
2013-07-01 11:26:54 AM  

simplicimus: FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Catholics.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]

Bleh. They taste like cardboard.  That's why you get the wine to wash it down.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-01 11:59:48 AM  
Geek tab?
 
2013-07-01 12:03:41 PM  
They say "steamed hams". It's an Albany expression.
 
2013-07-01 12:06:02 PM  

simplicimus: FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Catholics.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]

Bleh. They taste like cardboard.  That's why you get the wine to wash it down.


In my church we eat steak and drink whatever the hell we want because Jesus wants us to be happy.
 
2013-07-01 12:09:43 PM  

simplicimus: "What about Res Ipsa Loquitur?" the judge asked again.

Kassem said it had something to do with negligence and the judge said, "That's close enough."

Seriously? I know it's Jersey, but I don't want an attorney who knows less Latin than I do, especially when it comes to legal terms.


Maybe he's one of those "self certified" types with an internet GED in law?
/I know a judge would have a serious belly laugh if I showed him mine; if I ever need to break the ice in court one day I'll have to work that in somehow
 
2013-07-01 12:13:57 PM  
This is one of those times I would be in favor of the cop just shooting the POS in the head.
 
2013-07-01 12:15:31 PM  

Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious delectible?


FTFY
 
2013-07-01 12:16:53 PM  

simplicimus: "What about Res Ipsa Loquitur?" the judge asked again.

Kassem said it had something to do with negligence and the judge said, "That's close enough."

Seriously? I know it's Jersey, but I don't want an attorney who knows less Latin than I do, especially when it comes to legal terms.


He felt cocky because FLA doesn't have an Express Lane for Old Sparky.
 
2013-07-01 12:22:56 PM  

FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Christians.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]


FTFY
 
2013-07-01 12:26:42 PM  

FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Catholics.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]


Dude she's like 6 years old. That's gross.
 
2013-07-01 12:31:06 PM  
There's movie potential here... A reverse of My Cousin Vinny, perhaps My Uncle Jethro, where an erudite southern lawyer gets called on to represent his nephew in a northern court.
 
2013-07-01 12:35:11 PM  
I bet he understands, "Tannis, gymnasium, lauandi."
 
2013-07-01 12:35:40 PM  

simplicimus: ZAZ: I believe all states follow the corpus delicti rule, although spelling varies and some poorly educated judges prefer to say "corroboration rule."

That makes me wonder. Here in Houston we elect judges, so I don't know if any legal experience is required.


you don't even have to be a law-talker to be a judge in texas.
 
2013-07-01 12:36:32 PM  

wildcardjack: There's movie potential here... A reverse of My Cousin Vinny, perhaps My Uncle Jethro, where an erudite southern lawyer gets called on to represent his nephew in a northern court.


My Father/Brother-in-Law Trey. With of course a Paula Deen cameo.
 
2013-07-01 12:38:27 PM  

SDRR: This is one of those times I would be in favor of the cop just shooting the POS in the head.


One of those times when there's almost no information about the details of what happened, and you reflexively side with the cop?

"There was a bar fight, and at some point, a cop was wrestled to the ground!  Headshots for everybody!"
 
2013-07-01 12:44:49 PM  

FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Catholics.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]


He's giving her a cookie. The Dark Side has those, you know.
 
2013-07-01 12:48:38 PM  
I know what it means because I learned it law school and haven't completely forgotten it, but I've been an attorney for 20+ years and, as far as I can recall, have never used the term "corpus delicti" in court or even seen it used there, probably for two reasons (1) I don't practice criminal law, and (2) many states, mine included, have gotten away from using Latin terms in favor of plain English.  If this guy isn't a criminal lawyer, he would have very little reason to remember WTF that term means.

Though if he's a civil lawyer, he should be familiar with the term "res ipsa loquitur" and should know what exactly it means, which he apparently doesn't.
 
2013-07-01 12:59:56 PM  

simplicimus: "What about Res Ipsa Loquitur?" the judge asked again.

Kassem said it had something to do with negligence and the judge said, "That's close enough."

Seriously? I know it's Jersey, but I don't want an attorney who knows less Latin than I do, especially when it comes to legal terms.


If your attorney can't get the following joke, run screaming to an attorney that can:

A Roman walks into a bar. He asks the bartender, "I'd like a martinus, please."
The bartender says, "Don't you mean a martini?"
The Roman replies, "No, just one is fine."
 
2013-07-01 01:00:05 PM  
I'd like to hear a Judge use the term, "Ultro Digitum in Anum", in an official decision sometime. ;-)
 
2013-07-01 01:16:35 PM  

simplicimus: Bleh. They taste like cardboard. That's why you get the wine to wash it down.


Where I usually sit at mass, I'm the last person to get wine so I get a nice big mouthful of the blood of Christ to wash that bad boy down.  I can say with authority that they aren't running fast and loose with the wine budget... that or our Lord and Savior was a serious diabetic.
 
2013-07-01 01:16:37 PM  

Babwa Wawa: [i.imgur.com image 225x225]


Let the record show that counsel is holding up two fingers.
 
2013-07-01 01:17:29 PM  

simplicimus: ZAZ: I believe all states follow the corpus delicti rule, although spelling varies and some poorly educated judges prefer to say "corroboration rule."

That makes me wonder. Here in Houston we elect judges, so I don't know if any legal experience is required.


I think I read an article recently that was bemoaning that very fact. AFAIK, judges don't have to be anything but electable in Texas... Maybe a High School  diploma.
 
2013-07-01 01:26:45 PM  

Z-clipped: SDRR: This is one of those times I would be in favor of the cop just shooting the POS in the head.

One of those times when there's almost no information about the details of what happened, and you reflexively side with the cop?

"There was a bar fight, and at some point, a cop was wrestled to the ground!  Headshots for everybody!"


Cop vs. New Jersey douchebag who is also a lawyer...

Yep. Easy one.
 
2013-07-01 01:30:17 PM  

bdub77: FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Catholics.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]

Dude she's like 6 years old. .


Ya, finally.
 
2013-07-01 01:31:57 PM  
I can never get Sun sintinel articles to work. They always tell me they can't find the page.
 
2013-07-01 01:32:02 PM  

SDRR: Z-clipped: SDRR: This is one of those times I would be in favor of the cop just shooting the POS in the head.

One of those times when there's almost no information about the details of what happened, and you reflexively side with the cop?

"There was a bar fight, and at some point, a cop was wrestled to the ground!  Headshots for everybody!"

Cop vs. New Jersey douchebag who is also a lawyer...

Yep. Easy one.


Ditto.

I don't know the full story, but I place odds on the lawyer being the asshole in this one.
 
2013-07-01 01:37:16 PM  

Xanadone: FloydA: Babwa Wawa: ZAZ: corpus delicti

You know who else found corpses delicious?


Christians.

[i105.photobucket.com image 455x640]

FTFY


Snark aside, there are several Christian denominations that do not accept the doctrine of transubstantiation and consider the Eucharist to be symbolic.

[/threadjack]
 
2013-07-01 01:37:28 PM  
I'm an L3 (third week of getting my online GED JD) and I never heard any of those terms,
 
2013-07-01 01:40:33 PM  
And of course, no one here is at all concerned about the fact that the judge is sniffing the butt of this "lawyer" to determine whether he should be recognized by the court (as a sovereign entity) and treated as a "lawyer" (read: gentleman of privilege in the same City of London club) vs. an ordinary citizen (read: unwashed riff-raff slave to UCC bondage).

This sort of behavior by the courts is anathema to the cause of the founding of this nation.

Also, for extra credit, look up "arbitrary and capricious"
 
2013-07-01 01:42:26 PM  

Cheron: I'm an L3 (third week of getting my online GED JD) and I never heard any of those terms,


i105.photobucket.com
i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-01 01:53:21 PM  

Smackledorfer: SDRR: Z-clipped: SDRR: This is one of those times I would be in favor of the cop just shooting the POS in the head.

One of those times when there's almost no information about the details of what happened, and you reflexively side with the cop?

"There was a bar fight, and at some point, a cop was wrestled to the ground!  Headshots for everybody!"

Cop vs. New Jersey douchebag who is also a lawyer...

Yep. Easy one.

Ditto.

I don't know the full story, but I place odds on the lawyer being the asshole in this one.


Odds are, both are assholes. But anyone advocating for summary-execution-by-cop is an even bigger asshole than either one of them.

I'd rather see 100 lawyers abusing the law than one cop abusing his authority.
 
2013-07-01 02:06:41 PM  
Good for the guy putting the cop to the ground.  To bad he didn't put the cop in the ground.

Cops are criminals hiding behind a badge.
 
2013-07-01 02:12:08 PM  

wildcardjack: There's movie potential here... A reverse of My Cousin Vinny, perhaps My Uncle Jethro, where an erudite southern lawyer gets called on to represent his nephew in a northern court.


bdnpull.bangorpublishing.netdna-cdn.com

Let it be this court.
 
2013-07-01 02:12:12 PM  
I'm a licensed attorney and I have represented literally hundreds of people accused of crimes. I have never heard the term corpus delecti in court or law school.

There is a huge move away from latin terms in the law for the simple reason that we rarely see Roman centurions as defendants.

The lawyer in the story is right - they don't use the term in NJ. A quick search reveals that there has not been a reported case using that phrase since 1980. Oddly a look at the reported cases indicates it is making a comeback in Florida - one reported case used the term from 1976-2000, then four since then.

/Res ipsa loquitor is different; if you've passed the bar you should know that one.
 
2013-07-01 02:13:06 PM  
i wonder what the ethics board will think of this. which is more damning, an officer of the court wrestling a police officer, or a 20 year criminal law attorney who doesn't know extremely basic criminal and liability doctrines?
 
2013-07-01 02:14:28 PM  

factoryconnection: Where I usually sit at mass, I'm the last person to get wine so I get a nice big mouthful of the blood of Christ to wash that bad boy down.


Wait, Catholic churches still use real wine?  Damn, my parents roped me into the wrong denomination.  With real wine, I might have even stayed.

/probably not
 
2013-07-01 02:17:34 PM  

Willas Tyrell: I'm a licensed attorney and I have represented literally hundreds of people accused of crimes. I have never heard the term corpus delecti in court or law school.


And apparently I can't spell it either.

Running a search for "Corpus delicti" gets more hits, but the point is the same - NJ courts have cited it (with the correct spelling) nine times since 1970. In Florida you only have to go back to 2011 to get nine cites, and forty cites in only takes you back to 2007..
 
2013-07-01 02:24:44 PM  

Willas Tyrell: Willas Tyrell: I'm a licensed attorney and I have represented literally hundreds of people accused of crimes. I have never heard the term corpus delecti in court or law school.

And apparently I can't spell it either.

Running a search for "Corpus delicti" gets more hits, but the point is the same - NJ courts have cited it (with the correct spelling) nine times since 1970. In Florida you only have to go back to 2011 to get nine cites, and forty cites in only takes you back to 2007..


I would probably never get anything done if I had access to Westlaw. It's like wikipedia on crack.
 
2013-07-01 02:41:00 PM  

redmid17: I would probably never get anything done if I had access to Westlaw. It's like wikipedia on crack.


There are a total of 20 reported cases nationwide that use the terms "wikipedia" and "crack", most recently Com v. Waddel, 61 A.3d 198 (Pa Superior Court, 2012).
 
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