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2013-07-01 09:44:50 AM  
So if you make people take physicals as part of their jobs, how many people are going to start lying to their doctor?
 
2013-07-01 09:45:02 AM  
Smoking causes a variety of cancers. Cancer is very expensive to treat. Insurance companies have to pay for cancer treatments. Companies pay a portion of the insurance packages for their employees. Therefore, smoking causes billions of dollars of extra corporate costs every year.  So does obesity.
 
2013-07-01 09:46:34 AM  
Quit smoking or quit complaining.
 
2013-07-01 09:48:40 AM  
Primary complaint about the article comes from Zsa Zsa Gabor.

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2013-07-01 09:49:04 AM  
Fine, but when they all quit and stop having health problems, they're going to live longer.  And you'll be sorry, because there's nothing more obnoxious than an unapologetic jackoff who wants a cigarette but can't have one.
 
2013-07-01 09:49:22 AM  

PrivateCaboose: So if you make people take physicals as part of their jobs, how many people are going to start lying to their doctor?


Everyone lies to their doctor.  Any patient that has been asked, "Have you been flossing?" is a liar.
 
2013-07-01 09:51:41 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: PrivateCaboose: So if you make people take physicals as part of their jobs, how many people are going to start lying to their doctor?

Everyone lies to their doctor.  Any patient that has been asked, "Have you been flossing?" is a liar.


I just flat out say I don't floss. My dentist has stopped asking.
 
2013-07-01 09:51:55 AM  
Yes there is, an obnoxious, unapologetic jackoff who has no reason to be one but just is!
 
2013-07-01 09:51:59 AM  
These articles need to stop.

Here let me try pulling numbers out of my ass:

Nerf guns cost employers 424 billion dollars a year.
Whiny co-workers costs employers 11 billion dollars a year
Broken water fountains cost employers 145.3 billion dollars a year
Late pizza delivery costs employers 13.55 thousand dollars a year
Chronic halitosis costs employers 889 million dollars a year
Impromtu weenie roasts cost employers 13 dollars last year
Made up studies about things costing employers money cost employers 43 trillion dollars a year
 
2013-07-01 09:52:26 AM  
Being a face stuffing obese pig still okay.
 
2013-07-01 09:53:04 AM  

abhorrent1: Being a face stuffing obese pig still okay.


It damn well better be.  Who else is going to man your help desk?
 
2013-07-01 09:57:45 AM  
Well we could be forcing insurance companies to pay for Chantix in order to get people off tobacco products and make people healthier considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

But instead the left throws all its political capital behind forcing insurance companies to pay for womens birth control making sure people like Sandra Fluke can be promiscuous.
 
2013-07-01 09:58:24 AM  
Smokers cost less. So light up, pansies!

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2013-07-01 09:59:57 AM  

Giltric: Well we could be forcing insurance companies to pay for Chantix in order to get people off tobacco products and make people healthier considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

But instead the left throws all its political capital behind forcing insurance companies to pay for womens birth control making sure people like Sandra Fluke can be promiscuous.


Right. Silly women wanting affordable birth control so there aren't more unnecessary people in this country - so farking selfish! Women shouldn't be allowed to have sex outside of marriage, or vote, or have equal rights!
 
2013-07-01 10:00:46 AM  

Giltric: considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....


Nope, still heart-related maladies by a landslide.
 
2013-07-01 10:08:36 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: Giltric: considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

Nope, still heart-related maladies by a landslide.


Which are smoking related.

It even says so on the warning label on cigarettes.

Prove it wrong.
 
2013-07-01 10:10:01 AM  

mayIFark: Quit smoking or quit complaining.


I chose to instead switch out one addiction for another.

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2013-07-01 10:11:10 AM  

Giltric: Cyrus the Mediocre: Giltric: considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

Nope, still heart-related maladies by a landslide.

Which are smoking related.

It even says so on the warning label on cigarettes.

Prove it wrong.


Not all heart related illnesses are caused by smoking. Unless you have data on the percentage of heart related illnesses and deaths directly attributed to smoking, you have no factual basis for that assessment. Prove it wrong.
 
2013-07-01 10:11:19 AM  

unchellmatt: mayIFark: Quit smoking or quit complaining.

I chose to instead switch out one addiction for another.

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Those are some pretty hardcore suppositories.
 
2013-07-01 10:11:35 AM  
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Smoke if you got 'em!
 
2013-07-01 10:13:16 AM  

PrivateCaboose: Cyrus the Mediocre: PrivateCaboose: So if you make people take physicals as part of their jobs, how many people are going to start lying to their doctor?

Everyone lies to their doctor.  Any patient that has been asked, "Have you been flossing?" is a liar.

I just flat out say I don't floss. My dentist has stopped asking.


A dentist does not need to ask if you are flossing.  The can tell by the amount of bleeding following a teeth cleaning and check-up.  They (and the doctor) can also tell if you are a smoker by the condition of your gums.  A smoker's gums have a pale hue from excess white blood cells warding off the impact caused by the smoke.

The only reason they ask if you floss or smoke is to determine if you are inclined to lie about your health-related habits.
 
2013-07-01 10:14:08 AM  

PrivateCaboose: Giltric: Cyrus the Mediocre: Giltric: considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

Nope, still heart-related maladies by a landslide.

Which are smoking related.

It even says so on the warning label on cigarettes.

Prove it wrong.

Not all heart related illnesses are caused by smoking. Unless you have data on the percentage of heart related illnesses and deaths directly attributed to smoking, you have no factual basis for that assessment. Prove it wrong.


They don't have to be the person smoking the cigarette, all they have to do is be exposed to secondhand smoke once.

Are you saying the anti smoking groups are using hyperbole, rhetoric and junk science to push their anti smoking agenda?
 
2013-07-01 10:16:31 AM  

WTF Indeed: Smoking causes a variety of cancers. Cancer is very expensive to treat. Insurance companies have to pay for cancer treatments. Companies pay a portion of the insurance packages for their employees. Therefore, smoking causes billions of dollars of extra corporate costs every year.  So does obesity.


Lots of things cost companies lots of money. Don't offer the benefit if you are going to have a problem with people actually using it.

PrivateCaboose: Giltric: Well we could be forcing insurance companies to pay for Chantix in order to get people off tobacco products and make people healthier considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

But instead the left throws all its political capital behind forcing insurance companies to pay for womens birth control making sure people like Sandra Fluke can be promiscuous.

Right. Silly women wanting affordable birth control so there aren't more unnecessary people in this country - so farking selfish! Women shouldn't be allowed to have sex outside of marriage, or vote, or have equal rights!


Serious question... how many women don't get birth control pills because of the cost factor? I have no idea how much they cost and if they're ridiculously priced outside an insurance plan and/or through some place like Planned Parenthood?

And wouldn't a better way to ensure that women have access to birth control pills be to make it available OTC? I know the right-wingers will be against it, but they freaked out over the insurance requirement as well and that didn't stop the left from pushing it.
 
2013-07-01 10:20:17 AM  
mind if I fart?
 
2013-07-01 10:20:39 AM  
FTFA:  "I want to know, why are you smoking?", said Dulichand. "What are the stressful pieces of your life that smoking is kind of the crutch for?"

This person is an idiot.  She's a "tobacco treatment counselor"?  Hahaha....

Her: "What is stressing you out so much that you have to smoke?"

Me: "Nothing.  My life is awesome.  I have a beautiful wife, two boys that are straight from Heaven, more than enough money - I never thought I'd be as happy as I am now."

Her:  "But... smoking is a crutch... I'm pretty sure.  Why.."

Me: "I like to smoke.  I enjoy it.  I'm sure there is an addiction component to it but I truly just like doing it."

Her: "But... stress?  You're stressed!"
 
2013-07-01 10:21:31 AM  

Giltric: It even says so on the warning label on cigarettes.


That' why I don't buy the heart attack or cancer causing ones. I specifically ask for these instead.

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2013-07-01 10:23:31 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: WTF Indeed: Smoking causes a variety of cancers. Cancer is very expensive to treat. Insurance companies have to pay for cancer treatments. Companies pay a portion of the insurance packages for their employees. Therefore, smoking causes billions of dollars of extra corporate costs every year.  So does obesity.

Lots of things cost companies lots of money. Don't offer the benefit if you are going to have a problem with people actually using it.

PrivateCaboose: Giltric: Well we could be forcing insurance companies to pay for Chantix in order to get people off tobacco products and make people healthier considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

But instead the left throws all its political capital behind forcing insurance companies to pay for womens birth control making sure people like Sandra Fluke can be promiscuous.

Right. Silly women wanting affordable birth control so there aren't more unnecessary people in this country - so farking selfish! Women shouldn't be allowed to have sex outside of marriage, or vote, or have equal rights!

Serious question... how many women don't get birth control pills because of the cost factor? I have no idea how much they cost and if they're ridiculously priced outside an insurance plan and/or through some place like Planned Parenthood?

And wouldn't a better way to ensure that women have access to birth control pills be to make it available OTC? I know the right-wingers will be against it, but they freaked out over the insurance requirement as well and that didn't stop the left from pushing it.


They can be around $90 a month without insurance, plus the cost of the doctor. It depends on which kind you get. And it's a toss up - when I was on them I was fine with the generic which would've been around $40 a month without insurance, but some women need the brand because of the different additives.
 
2013-07-01 10:23:39 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: And wouldn't a better way to ensure that women have access to birth control pills be to make it available OTC? I know the right-wingers will be against it, but they freaked out over the insurance requirement as well and that didn't stop the left from pushing it


There are birth control methods available OTC....but the left changed their defense of mandating insurance companies pay for birth control and claimed "But PMS Cramps!!!"
 
2013-07-01 10:24:22 AM  

Giltric: Cyrus the Mediocre: Giltric: considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

Nope, still heart-related maladies by a landslide.

Which are smoking related.

It even says so on the warning label on cigarettes.

Prove it wrong.


Actually, most heart disease related deaths are attributed to degenerative age, and less to unhealthy habits such as smoking and obesity.

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2013-07-01 10:24:25 AM  

Stoj: FTFA:  "I want to know, why are you smoking?", said Dulichand. "What are the stressful pieces of your life that smoking is kind of the crutch for?"

This person is an idiot.  She's a "tobacco treatment counselor"?  Hahaha....

Her: "What is stressing you out so much that you have to smoke?"

Me: "Nothing.  My life is awesome.  I have a beautiful wife, two boys that are straight from Heaven, more than enough money - I never thought I'd be as happy as I am now."

Her:  "But... smoking is a crutch... I'm pretty sure.  Why.."

Me: "I like to smoke.  I enjoy it.  I'm sure there is an addiction component to it but I truly just like doing it."

Her: "But... stress?  You're stressed!"


I quit almost 3 years ago.  And I'm glad I did, as I feel better in lots of ways.  But dammit, I DID enjoy smoking!  It wasn't just for stress relief.
 
2013-07-01 10:25:13 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Fine, but when they all quit and stop having health problems, they're going to live longer.  And you'll be sorry, because there's nothing more obnoxious than an unapologetic jackoff who wants a cigarette but can't have one.


Quitting cigarettes is a pain, though. I did it, it took a month, and I was using smokeless tobacco, so it wasn't even the nicotine. Just the habit... the ritual.

5 years later, I quit dipping. Took 2 days. I used chewing gum.

I now enjoy a cigar or two every week.
 
2013-07-01 10:25:36 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: Everyone lies to their doctor.


I don't. Not even when I was in college and not inclined toward clean living. It seems counter-productive.
 
2013-07-01 10:36:41 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Giltric: It even says so on the warning label on cigarettes.

That' why I don't buy the heart attack or cancer causing ones. I specifically ask for these instead.

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I don't know why they don't just make those cigarettes for everyone, and a few thousand "may cause heart disease" packs for the pregnant women who smoke.  Damn tobacco companies!
 
2013-07-01 10:38:25 AM  
The company I currently work at is filled with beasts. The ambulance is here once a week taking their tubby asses to the ER. I sh*t you not the ambulance just left here 5 mins ago and for some reason Monday is the most common day. I joke with my friends that more people leave via the ambulance than the city bus.

But no, I can't smoke in front of the building because it "looks bad".

/contractor @major health insurance company
 
2013-07-01 10:42:51 AM  
The company I work for was recently bought out. The new owners have a zero tobacco policy and it went into effect yesterday. I don't give a crap if people smoke. I did once myself. However, the lost productivity from some smokers is awful. Since I have to provide breaks to some of the people on my press, it pisses me of when the smokers can't seem to get back in the allotted 15 minutes. One guy told me he didn't look at the clock, it took about 15 minutes to smoke a cig, and he came back when he was done. (Sound of hand smacking forehead) And honestly, some people spend almost as much time outside smoking as they do working.
 
2013-07-01 10:51:44 AM  

The Muthaship: Smokers cost less. So light up, pansies!

Link


"The researchers found that from age 20 to 56, obese people racked up the most expensive health costs. But because both the smokers and the obese people died sooner than the healthy group, it cost less to treat them in the long run."

Yeah, so keep it up smokers and fat people. The sooner you die, the more money we save on health care!
 
2013-07-01 10:58:41 AM  
Lazy asses are lazy asses. There's people here who take 30 min craps or yak on the phone or just socialize at desks or in the cafeteria. There's a few who go shopping at 11 and come back at 1 and THEN eat lunch.

I can leave my desk, go outside, smoke, and be back at my desk in 8 mins. It's actually less but you guys wouldn't believe me. I have conf calls half the day, and can take them from wherever - even view the online stuff on my phone (thanks webex!).

I'm probably the most productive person in this group. I have to be - if I'm slacking they'd boot me in a heartbeat because I have an open ended contract and it ain't cheap.

It takes half the people here more time to button their pants after going to the john than it takes me to smoke a cig.
 
2013-07-01 10:59:21 AM  
PrivateCaboose: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: WTF Indeed: Smoking causes a variety of cancers. Cancer is very expensive to treat. Insurance companies have to pay for cancer treatments. Companies pay a portion of the insurance packages for their employees. Therefore, smoking causes billions of dollars of extra corporate costs every year.  So does obesity.

Lots of things cost companies lots of money. Don't offer the benefit if you are going to have a problem with people actually using it.


THIS.  I know this thread will be a circle jerk of hating on ppl of one vice against another, but we all cost money.  The list is endless: smoking, fatties, alcohol, kids, allergies, sports, porn, 'Mondays', cat videos, FARK, ...  whatever.   It's the cost of doing business for/by humans.
 
2013-07-01 11:12:14 AM  

PrivateCaboose: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Serious question... how many women don't get birth control pills because of the cost factor? I have no idea how much they cost and if they're ridiculously priced outside an insurance plan and/or through some place like Planned Parenthood?

And wouldn't a better way to ensure that women have access to birth control pills be to make it available OTC? I know the right-wingers will be against it, but they freaked out over the insurance requirement as well and that didn't stop the left from pushing it.

They can be around $90 a month without insurance, plus the cost of the doctor. It depends on which kind you get. And it's a toss up - when I was on them I was fine with the generic which would've been around $40 a month without insurance, but some women need the brand because of the different ...

My generic is at least $30 a month (can be more if your on continuous use). I've been on pills that cost upward of $130 per pack. If you are on a particular brand for medical reasons, it can be quite costly. Then there's the problem that the poorest women may find $30 to be a burden. I suppose they're cheaper than having a kid, but what if you can afford neither?

As society goes I would rather pay for other ppl's birth control than pay to raise their unwanted children. There's a lot fewer farked up people that way.
 
2013-07-01 11:18:42 AM  

Giltric: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: And wouldn't a better way to ensure that women have access to birth control pills be to make it available OTC? I know the right-wingers will be against it, but they freaked out over the insurance requirement as well and that didn't stop the left from pushing it

There are birth control methods available OTC....but the left changed their defense of mandating insurance companies pay for birth control and claimed "But PMS Cramps!!!"


If the pill is a treatment for a medical condition, and not just for contraceptive purposes, insurance better farking cover it! If a company refused to cover it for my migraines just because zomg sex is dirty and babies sacred!! Well, I'd be pissed.

/if they stop covering birth control, they need to stop covering Viagra
 
2013-07-01 11:29:24 AM  
If we're going to let employers charge employees more based on their healthful/non actions outside of work why single out smoking?

Do employees whose lifestyles are healthier than average get discounts or do only less-healthy people get charged more?
 
2013-07-01 11:34:02 AM  
I don't need to smoke to cost my employer money

/I have Total Fark
 
2013-07-01 11:38:02 AM  
I don't smoke, but I'm not planning on doing much at work today. However, I'll be sitting at my desk the whole time, so I'll certainly look more productive than any smokers.

Calculating the cost of smoking based on healthcare makes sense. Calculating the cost of hiring a smoker because of smoke breaks is ignorant. We have a secretary here that complains about always being busy, and not having time for breaks. But every time I say "hi" to her, she ends up yapping for 20-30 min.

Seems like it'd be much more useful to simply judge us by the work we get done, but that might make managements' jobs harder.
 
2013-07-01 11:48:21 AM  
Smoke
 
2013-07-01 12:08:22 PM  
I think Dennis said it best.

/sub an occasional rum and coke for the beer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHIT2or-F9o
 
2013-07-01 12:12:12 PM  

stewbert: I don't smoke, but I'm not planning on doing much at work today. However, I'll be sitting at my desk the whole time, so I'll certainly look more productive than any smokers.

Calculating the cost of smoking based on healthcare makes sense. Calculating the cost of hiring a smoker because of smoke breaks is ignorant. We have a secretary here that complains about always being busy, and not having time for breaks. But every time I say "hi" to her, she ends up yapping for 20-30 min.

Seems like it'd be much more useful to simply judge us by the work we get done, but that might make managements' jobs harder.


Yep, too many places equate "time spent at desk = productivity" and that's definitely not always the case, especially with the types who want to socialize or insist on drinking coffee for an hour to "get ready" to work -- when they're already at work.

/Smoker. I have no idea why non-smokers don't take a 10-minute break twice a day to leave the office, walk around in the fresh air and sunshine, etc. Those breaks are usually when I get most of my problem-solving done.
 
2013-07-01 12:22:18 PM  

The Muthaship: Smokers cost less. So light up, pansies!

Link


"The researchers found that from age 20 to 56, obese people racked up the most expensive health costs. But because both the smokers and the obese people died sooner than the healthy group, it cost less to treat them in the long run."   Kinda Pyrrhic, isn't it?
 
2013-07-01 12:36:42 PM  

unchellmatt: mayIFark: Quit smoking or quit complaining.

I chose to instead switch out one addiction for another.

[web.mit.edu image 480x640]


The memory eraser widget from MIB?
 
2013-07-01 12:37:33 PM  

PrivateCaboose: Giltric: Cyrus the Mediocre: Giltric: considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

Nope, still heart-related maladies by a landslide.

Which are smoking related.

It even says so on the warning label on cigarettes.

Prove it wrong.

Not all heart related illnesses are caused by smoking. Unless you have data on the percentage of heart related illnesses and deaths directly attributed to smoking, you have no factual basis for that assessment. Prove it wrong.


A lot of smoking deaths are arbitrarily chosen, not proven.
Worked in a metal factory but smoked?  Tobacco did it.
Cancer riddled non smoking relatives, but that guy smoked?  Tobacco did it

Cancer, like any number of things, is loosely tied to environment, but heavily tied to genetics.  The amount of radiation we get a day just from average background things is farking insane, the amount of pollution in large cities, the quality of drinking water, some of these are abysmal when you get down to it...and some genetic patterns are just prone to breaking down under the various stresses.

Yet, if cigarettes were ever used, they're always (supposedly)the cause.  The one exception is skin cancer, which sometimes people blame on the sun.

Well, and breast cancer.  People are too busy crying to care about a cause other than the obvious genetic links.  Boobs are a much loved commodity and when they get sick, we all suffer.
 
2013-07-01 12:39:01 PM  

Giltric: Well we could be forcing insurance companies to pay for Chantix in order to get people off tobacco products and make people healthier considering smoking related illnesses are the leading cause of death and sickness in the US which probably means it is the largest healthcare cost the country faces....

But instead the left throws all its political capital behind forcing insurance companies to pay for womens birth control making sure people like Sandra Fluke can be promiscuous.


Then Chantix could move into the number one spot as the cause of death and sickness?
Who needs that shiat!!!
 
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