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(Slate)   Why the GOP may be better served by ignoring Latinos and doubling down on old, angry white voters   (slate.com) divider line 54
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2013-07-01 08:36:43 AM  
I agree with Begala here. The GOP can't just keep increasing its share of the white vote, since the core of its white voter base is old. That's not a long term strategy.
 
2013-07-01 08:42:06 AM  
DO IT.
 
2013-07-01 08:43:30 AM  
Man, just imagine some of the nativist garbage that's going to be spewed for the midterms.
 
2013-07-01 08:51:08 AM  
Because it's all they are capable of, so they might as well pretend it was the plan all along?
 
2013-07-01 08:57:29 AM  
We knew this for a long time. Immigrants that become citizens are largely going to be Democrats. The only way the GOP can fix their problem is if they went back in time to stop demonizing foreigners. So many immigrants LOVE family values and religion, and truly do, not the Republican way of loving those things while getting gangbanged by other men in a truck stop bathroom. The GOP could have expanded their base by embracing these people. Instead they chose to be racist assholes. And Obama isn't going to let the GOP use his time machine. So the GOP is farked. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
2013-07-01 08:57:46 AM  
Please proceed grand old party!
 
2013-07-01 08:58:53 AM  
The tea party is interested in bald eagles, American flags, the founding fathers, Jesus Christ, fighter jets, empty libertarian rhetoric, and other markers of "authentic" American identity and supremacy. That America is "a nation of immigrants" is a stock piece of American identity politics, but the immigrants that made America America were, well, not Mexican, and spoke English, or at least Pennsylvania Dutch.
Will Wilkinson

As long as the tea party controls the primaries we won't see any movement.
 
2013-07-01 09:03:28 AM  

Aarontology: Man, just imagine some of the nativist garbage that's going to be spewed for the midterms.


Meh. With every new wave of immigrants, there's the same crap. The only immigrants that were ever welcomed en masse were the Africans... but for slightly different reasons, I'd say.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:08 AM  

Cheron: The tea party is interested in bald eagles, American flags, the founding fathers, Jesus Christ, fighter jets, empty libertarian rhetoric, and other markers of "authentic" American identity and supremacy. That America is "a nation of immigrants" is a stock piece of American identity politics, but the immigrants that made America America were, well, not Mexican, and spoke English, or at least Pennsylvania Dutch.

Will Wilkinson

As long as the tea party controls the primaries we won't see any movement.


The slaves imported from Africa spoke English?
 
2013-07-01 09:04:15 AM  
Go down with the ship, it's a quicker, more noble, death.
 
2013-07-01 09:06:15 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: Man, just imagine some of the nativist garbage that's going to be spewed for the midterms.

Meh. With every new wave of immigrants, there's the same crap. The only immigrants that were ever welcomed en masse were the Africans... but for slightly different reasons, I'd say.


You're right about that, but previously there wasn't the internet and cable news to give as big of a mouthpiece to the politicians and groups that we all know are going to make damn fools out of themselves. Especially in today's climate, particularly among the true believing teabaggers, there's going to be some insane stuff.
 
2013-07-01 09:09:26 AM  

Smoking GNU: The slaves imported from Africa spoke English?


Hush, now! Those people were brought to America from lives of squalor and raised up by the beneficence of the hard-working Southern farmer to a position of peace and freedom from want. Of course they have a subordinate role in history.
 
2013-07-01 09:10:51 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: We knew this for a long time. Immigrants that become citizens are largely going to be Democrats. The only way the GOP can fix their problem is if they went back in time to stop demonizing foreigners. So many immigrants LOVE family values and religion, and truly do, not the Republican way of loving those things while getting gangbanged by other men in a truck stop bathroom. The GOP could have expanded their base by embracing these people. Instead they chose to be racist assholes. And Obama isn't going to let the GOP use his time machine. So the GOP is farked. Good riddance to bad rubbish.



To conservatives, "Family Values" means "being white". Seriously. You should see how my older relatives treat my sister, who married a Mexican/Native American. It's downright disgusting the things they say behind her back.
 
2013-07-01 09:11:24 AM  

Aarontology: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Aarontology: Man, just imagine some of the nativist garbage that's going to be spewed for the midterms.

Meh. With every new wave of immigrants, there's the same crap. The only immigrants that were ever welcomed en masse were the Africans... but for slightly different reasons, I'd say.

You're right about that, but previously there wasn't the internet and cable news to give as big of a mouthpiece to the politicians and groups that we all know are going to make damn fools out of themselves. Especially in today's climate, particularly among the true believing teabaggers, there's going to be some insane stuff.


Yeah, but it's a long term pattern, which is why a guy called "O'Reily" can push for a strict immigration policy that would have kept his ancestors back in Ireland eating potatoes.
 
2013-07-01 09:12:01 AM  

Aarontology: You're right about that, but previously there wasn't the internet and cable news to give as big of a mouthpiece to the politicians and groups that we all know are going to make damn fools out of themselves. Especially in today's climate, particularly among the true believing teabaggers, there's going to be some insane stuff.


The speed of diffusion might have been slower, but crazy-ass delusions and damn-fool politicians have been around for centuries. Just takes a loudmouth in the local pub or the back-fence rumor mill to get things started. The big difference is that the Internet allows other people to see the crazy.
 
2013-07-01 09:13:21 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Yeah, but it's a long term pattern, which is why a guy called "O'Reily" can push for a strict immigration policy that would have kept his ancestors back in Ireland eating potatoes.


It really is amusing how a lot of the rhetoric is the same when it comes to the Irish and Mexicans. The religious aspect, the cultural one, the fears that they won't assimilate, that deyre takin our jeorbs, etc.

People eventually assimilate, and life goes on. But for nativists, it's always the end of the world.
 
2013-07-01 09:13:48 AM  

theorellior: Smoking GNU: The slaves imported from Africa spoke English?

Hush, now! Those people were brought to America from lives of squalor and raised up by the beneficence of the hard-working Southern farmer to a position of peace and freedom from want. Of course they have a subordinate role in history.


They should be paying US reparations!!#!@#@#

/eleventy.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:02 AM  
Remember when they used to at least pretend that they passed legislation because "it's the right thing to do", rather than "it's the math of votes gained/lost".

Cynical bastards.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:16 AM  

theorellior: The speed of diffusion might have been slower, but crazy-ass delusions and damn-fool politicians have been around for centuries. Just takes a loudmouth in the local pub or the back-fence rumor mill to get things started. The big difference is that the Internet allows other people to see the crazy.


Oh definitely. I've seen some of the pamphlets and newspapers from back in the day. But now we get to see it in real time and then have politicians biatch and moan about being taken out of context afterwards
 
2013-07-01 09:14:40 AM  

theorellior: Aarontology: You're right about that, but previously there wasn't the internet and cable news to give as big of a mouthpiece to the politicians and groups that we all know are going to make damn fools out of themselves. Especially in today's climate, particularly among the true believing teabaggers, there's going to be some insane stuff.

The speed of diffusion might have been slower, but crazy-ass delusions and damn-fool politicians have been around for centuries. Just takes a loudmouth in the local pub or the back-fence rumor mill to get things started. The big difference is that the Internet allows other people to see the crazy.


The means of diffusion were different, but just as prevalent. It used to be that every city had dozens of daily newspapers explicitly catering to a wide spectrum of views, some quite as insane as the modern derp.
 
2013-07-01 09:15:30 AM  
It is not just Hispanics who support immigration reform. This is the thing Republicans don't understand. Immigration reform will not benefit me personally, I just think it is the right thing to do. Repiblicans don't understand why anyone would support anything that doesn't benefit them. How many think anyone who supports gay marriage must be gay? Same principle.
 
2013-07-01 09:17:26 AM  

Smoking GNU: Cheron: The tea party is interested in bald eagles, American flags, the founding fathers, Jesus Christ, fighter jets, empty libertarian rhetoric, and other markers of "authentic" American identity and supremacy. That America is "a nation of immigrants" is a stock piece of American identity politics, but the immigrants that made America America were, well, not Mexican, and spoke English, or at least Pennsylvania Dutch.

Will Wilkinson

As long as the tea party controls the primaries we won't see any movement.

The slaves imported from Africa spoke English?


The Pols, Italians, Germans, Greek, French, Dutch, and Chinese all spoke English? We didn't have racial enclaves in major cities for literally centuries?

And we liked the Irish because they spoke English?

This is all clearly new history. Lets reprint the books, raze all the Little Italys, Greek-towns, and polish heritage areas! Destroy all those mob movies, take the "HELP WANTED - Irish need not apply" out of every irish bar in the US, and destroy 'Blazing Saddles'!
 
2013-07-01 09:18:19 AM  
FTA: Before Thursday's vote Smith tweeted that "the #Senate #immigration bill ignores the will of the #American people & puts the interests of illegal immigrants & foreign workers first."

Oh #my #farking #god I can't #wait for #twitter to farking #go #away.
 
2013-07-01 09:25:55 AM  
GOP... Por favor, continúe
 
2013-07-01 09:31:32 AM  
ts3.mm.bing.net

Republicans continue with the no-taco strategy.
 
2013-07-01 09:31:33 AM  
We have been watching GOP congressmen feed their base red meat for a while now. Appealing to their base is fending off Tea Party challengers. Most of them will be able to keep their jobs for a long time. Appealing to minority voters might help the national party, but it will also put their individual jobs in danger.
 
2013-07-01 09:33:23 AM  

Devo: We have been watching GOP congressmen feed their base red meat for a while now. Appealing to their base is fending off Tea Party challengers. Most of them will be able to keep their jobs for a long time. Appealing to minority voters might help the national party, but it will also put their individual jobs in danger.


They'll have to do the same thing they did in this past national election:  pander to the base during the primaries, then backpedal to a moderate position once nominated (and hope no one has the technology to record and broadcast their previous statements).

/Etch-a-sketch, indeed
 
2013-07-01 09:38:01 AM  

Deneb81: The Pols, Italians, Germans, Greek, French, Dutch, and Chinese all spoke English? We didn't have racial enclaves in major cities for literally centuries?

And we liked the Irish because they spoke English?


They did in Tea Party rose colored history books
 
2013-07-01 09:42:19 AM  

born_yesterday: They'll have to do the same thing they did in this past national election: pander to the base during the primaries, then backpedal to a moderate position once nominated (and hope no one has the technology to record and broadcast their previous statements).


Moderation? In today's GOP? haha
 
2013-07-01 09:59:51 AM  
W was able to pull 43% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  It's not impossible for Republicans to win Hispanic votes if they actually make an effort to reach out to the community.  The teabaggers are steering the entire party toward irrelevancy.  At this rate, they're well on their way to building their Real American party consisting of religious extremists, delusional old men, and crazy people living in the woods with stockpiles of guns.
 
2013-07-01 10:12:23 AM  

imontheinternet: W was able to pull 43% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  It's not impossible for Republicans to win Hispanic votes if they actually make an effort to reach out to the community.  The teabaggers are steering the entire party toward irrelevancy.  At this rate, they're well on their way to building their Real American party consisting of religious extremists, delusional old men, and crazy people living in the woods with stockpiles of guns.


Flash-forward to about fall 2015:

Obama: "Hillary as President? Sure, why not?"

Hillary: "I have no interest (But I have a committee that's planning to meet about planning something in the future)."

GOP: "ARRRRGHHHHH HILLARY!! KOCH BROTHERS TAKE ALL MY MONIES!!!"

It's gonna be great.
 
2013-07-01 10:19:21 AM  

dookdookdook: Oh #my #farking #god I can't #wait for #twitter to farking #go #away.


Don't hold your breath, grandpa.
 
2013-07-01 10:20:41 AM  

verbaltoxin: imontheinternet: W was able to pull 43% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  It's not impossible for Republicans to win Hispanic votes if they actually make an effort to reach out to the community.  The teabaggers are steering the entire party toward irrelevancy.  At this rate, they're well on their way to building their Real American party consisting of religious extremists, delusional old men, and crazy people living in the woods with stockpiles of guns.

Flash-forward to about fall 2015:

Obama: "Hillary as President? Sure, why not?"

Hillary: "I have no interest (But I have a committee that's planning to meet about planning something in the future)."

GOP: "ARRRRGHHHHH HILLARY!! KOCH BROTHERS TAKE ALL MY MONIES!!!"

It's gonna be great.


"He's a muslim" will be replaced with "She's a lesbian."
 
2013-07-01 10:26:42 AM  

dookdookdook: FTA: Before Thursday's vote Smith tweeted that "the #Senate #immigration bill ignores the will of the #American people & puts the interests of illegal immigrants & foreign workers first."

Oh #my #farking #god I can't #wait for #twitter to farking #go #away.


I had hoped it was a fad, but at this point we're farked for a while.  Eventually it'll be replaced, probably with something that I like and understand even less because I'll be even older.
 
2013-07-01 10:27:24 AM  
Although I am sure Republicans would love to take the Senate and the Presidency, the truth is they don't need them.  Republicans set the policy conversation in this country, regardless of whether they hold power or not.  Republicans didn't need to win the 2012 election in order to get cuts in Medicare and Social Security, nor keep the conversation going about the deficit and budget, nor crush and serious talk about the environment and education.

Democrats can win the presidency all they want. Nothing is going to change until they find their voice.
 
2013-07-01 10:35:15 AM  

Xythero: Although I am sure Republicans would love to take the Senate and the Presidency, the truth is they don't need them.  Republicans set the policy conversation in this country, regardless of whether they hold power or not.  Republicans didn't need to win the 2012 election in order to get cuts in Medicare and Social Security, nor keep the conversation going about the deficit and budget, nor crush and serious talk about the environment and education.

Democrats can win the presidency all they want. Nothing is going to change until they find their voice.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-07-01 10:54:48 AM  

King Something: Xythero: Although I am sure Republicans would love to take the Senate and the Presidency, the truth is they don't need them.  Republicans set the policy conversation in this country, regardless of whether they hold power or not.  Republicans didn't need to win the 2012 election in order to get cuts in Medicare and Social Security, nor keep the conversation going about the deficit and budget, nor crush and serious talk about the environment and education.

Democrats can win the presidency all they want. Nothing is going to change until they find their voice.

You sound concerned.


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2013-07-01 10:57:30 AM  

imontheinternet: W was able to pull 43% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  It's not impossible for Republicans to win Hispanic votes if they actually make an effort to reach out to the community.  The teabaggers are steering the entire party toward irrelevancy.  At this rate, they're well on their way to building their Real American party consisting of religious extremists, delusional old men, and crazy people living in the woods with stockpiles of guns.


On the contrary; the party has already lost me permanently.
 
2013-07-01 11:09:40 AM  

Xythero: Although I am sure Republicans would love to take the Senate and the Presidency, the truth is they don't need them.  Republicans set the policy conversation in this country, regardless of whether they hold power or not.  Republicans didn't need to win the 2012 election in order to get cuts in Medicare and Social Security, nor keep the conversation going about the deficit and budget, nor crush and serious talk about the environment and education.

Democrats can win the presidency all they want. Nothing is going to change until they find their voice.


Ah yes.  I remember when the Democrats took all three branches of gov't in 2008 and it didn't matter at all and all that happened was we passed that Obamacare bill that the Republicans really loved.

//spare us your concern.
 
2013-07-01 11:41:02 AM  
I literally laughed out loud at this part.

FTA:  "Sure, if you're in the middle of Iowa, you'll be fine, but I'd like to think there are enough responsible adults in the Republican Party to pass a bill."

This lady is higher than I am.
 
2013-07-01 11:56:43 AM  
Please do this. Keep doubling down.

thepoliticalcarnival.net
 
2013-07-01 12:18:28 PM  
To be fair, the Democrats have nothing to offer the old, scared, stupid, white racist male losers of America.

Neither do the Republicans, but they blame everything on 'those people," so the the old, scared, stupid, white racist male losers of America don't have to take any responsibility for their failures.
 
2013-07-01 12:20:42 PM  

imontheinternet: W was able to pull 43% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  It's not impossible for Republicans to win Hispanic votes if they actually make an effort to reach out to the community.  The teabaggers are steering the entire party toward irrelevancy.  At this rate, they're well on their way to building their Real American party consisting of religious extremists, delusional old men, and crazy people living in the woods with stockpiles of guns.


10 years has changed a lot about the demographic face of this country. Not only are the GOP losing hispanics, they are losing young people and they are losing on the issues those young people side with. The only reason the Democrats can't sweep them into their party is because of disagreements among Democrats on certain issues (welfare, tax reform, military spending, etc.) and because of a huge vein of pissed-off independent voters that is simply increasing as people become disillusioned with the federal government's ability to create positive change.

The most important thing for people to do is become involved in politics and not the opposite. Let's not forget that many of the key people of the Civil Rights era are starting to die out, too, just as the older white voting block is dying. I think the younger generation is going to be increasingly a big part of that as employment becomes increasingly problematic for them.

In any case, expect to see changes that start federally and end at the state and local level. The most important part of this process is going to be the appointment of Supreme Court justices, which will flow from whoever is elected to the White House. I can't see how this will benefit the GOP as people like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio put foot in mouth over and over.

The fact is that most of the control Republicans exert on our country is due to money from wealthy donors, 2010 redistricting/gerrymandering, and anti-voter policies. Texas is a prime example of gerrymandering at work.

Changes are going to start on the federal level first. The Voting Rights Act decision by the Roberts court will eventually be overturned, along with a ton of other stupid decisions, and gerrymandering can only take you so far before the demographics move you inexorably toward irrelevancy.

In the meantime, 2014, 2016, 2020, 2024, all of these are going to be losses for the GOP. The House is a mess at the federal level and the state legislatures controlled by the GOP are causing people to organize against them. See: Texas, NC, Iowa. The federal House can't even pass an immigration bill without the Democrats passing something alongside moderate Republicans, who won't vote for it because they fear of being primaried by morons who have no problem announcing to the world that rape babies are killed by the mother's immune system the way a person fights off a cold.
 
2013-07-01 12:34:22 PM  

bdub77: The fact is that most of the control Republicans exert on our country is due to money from wealthy donors, 2010 redistricting/gerrymandering, and anti-voter policies. Texas is a prime example of gerrymandering at work.


They have openly become the Anti-Democracy party. What amazes me is that they still get away with it.
 
2013-07-01 01:20:54 PM  
Why the GOP controlled house may be better served by ignoring Latinos and doubling down on old, angry white voters

FTFY, subby.  It will help them in the short term keep control of the gerrymandered house, but the problems are that the senate can't be gerrymandered very well, and neither can the presidency.
 
2013-07-01 01:35:46 PM  
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2013-07-01 02:15:41 PM  
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Ooh what a way to find out
The screen doesn't screen enough
She might as well be older
I might as well be bolder
 
2013-07-01 03:03:23 PM  
Oh No, Thats why they keep losing elections...

Their base isnt PURE enough!
 
2013-07-01 05:02:55 PM  
Well, with the VRA overturned, the Republicans could achieve a permanent majority of votes cast in those states where they currently dominate by courting white voters exclusively, and making sure that no one who isn't white votes.  Even those white voters who find they whole thing fishy will eventually vote Republican out of fear of what might happen if the system ever does break down--like riding a tiger, how are you going to dismount?
 
2013-07-01 05:23:48 PM  

flondrix: Well, with the VRA overturned, the Republicans could achieve a permanent majority of votes cast in those states where they currently dominate by courting white voters exclusively, and making sure that no one who isn't white votes.  Even those white voters who find they whole thing fishy will eventually vote Republican out of fear of what might happen if the system ever does break down--like riding a tiger, how are you going to dismount?


I didn't think that the entire VRA was overturned, only the section on preclearance.  So in other words, there would still be action available if there was an attempt to suprress minority vote through gerrymandering or other tactics.
 
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