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2013-07-01 08:54:57 AM
The power of shame or the fear of getting killed in prison.

Take your pick.
 
2013-07-01 08:57:50 AM
To get away with murder: leave CP on the corpse. Good tip thanks.
 
2013-07-01 08:58:20 AM
Probably a culture specific disease like Korean fan death, pedos die upon accusation and ascend to a higher plane.
 
2013-07-01 08:58:46 AM

LegacyDL: The power of shame or the fear of getting killed in prison.

Take your pick.


+1

even if you were innocent, just being charged would be enough to make you think about suicide
/not saying this guy was, but just hypothetically
 
2013-07-01 08:58:56 AM
I believe everyone should have their day in court. But I'm also okay that there is now one less pedo around abusing children.
 
2013-07-01 09:03:54 AM
Suicide or murder?  Cops were coy.  IDK if he was charged with abusing anyone.  TFA said not.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:03 AM
Rarely does a headline deliver.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:23 AM
well, that mug shot is pretty much exactly what a cookie cutter pedo looks like. just round up everybody that looks like him please.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:24 AM
Actually authorities are investigating.   The article says that an autopsy is being performed.     Cops are not competent  to determine causes of death, medical examiners are.

Now if no autopsy was being performed then the cynical headline and tag would be in order.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:49 AM

neversubmit: To get away with murder: leave CP on the corpse. Good tip thanks.


Almost exactly my first thought, except you might want to tip off the cops a couple of days beforehand for plausibility.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:58 AM
The hands tied behind his back and multiple gunshots to the head clearly indicate suicide.
 
2013-07-01 09:05:45 AM
Are they sure it wasn't accidental???

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-07-01 09:05:54 AM
I thought they said Zimmerman wasn't a cop...
 
2013-07-01 09:06:11 AM
A guy I worked with for years and knew fairly well killed himself about a month ago. Super friendly guy, bright guy -- we knew he had some issues with his wife's mental health (and then his daughter's, too), but he had always seemed rational and honest about those struggles. So it was surprising to have heard he offed himself.

Then another former coworker of mine, a guy I keep in touch with, said he had heard that the dude was being investigated for child porn. It's some crazy shiat.
 
2013-07-01 09:06:44 AM

chrylis: neversubmit: To get away with murder: leave CP on the corpse. Good tip thanks.

Almost exactly my first thought, except you might want to tip off the cops a couple of days beforehand for plausibility.


don't forget to sprinkle crack on it
 
2013-07-01 09:07:38 AM
"I'm not sure if anyone will want to come forward after this has happened," Choat said.

/mighty fine detective work there, Lou
 
2013-07-01 09:08:26 AM

chrylis: neversubmit: To get away with murder: leave CP on the corpse. Good tip thanks.

Almost exactly my first thought, except you might want to tip off the cops a couple of days beforehand for plausibility.


Except that I sure as hell wouldn't want to procure such things, even if just to plant on a "suicide" victim...

/Sprinkling crack on the body is much more moral.
 
2013-07-01 09:09:05 AM

clevernamehere: chrylis: neversubmit: To get away with murder: leave CP on the corpse. Good tip thanks.

Almost exactly my first thought, except you might want to tip off the cops a couple of days beforehand for plausibility.

don't forget to sprinkle crack on it


What are we making, gumbo?
 
2013-07-01 09:11:03 AM
An investigation done at the Altoona Police Department found around 1.5 million images on two of the hard drives, Zimmerman said.

Assuming the cops are not essentially measuring marijuana by putting the entire pot full of dirt on the scale, just disturbing.

/Where does child porn get exchanged, cause if this number is right there are active exchanges out there.
 
2013-07-01 09:12:01 AM
TFA : "An investigation done at the Altoona Police Department found around 1.5 million images on two of the hard drives"

Is that a lot? Was it all child porn or just a few and the rest was 'normal' porn?

chrylis: neversubmit: To get away with murder: leave CP on the corpse. Good tip thanks.

Almost exactly my first thought, except you might want to tip off the cops a couple of days beforehand for plausibility.


Thanks for the tips! Should the CP be on a dvd or flash drive?
 
2013-07-01 09:13:26 AM
I would not want this guy murdered.

It appears they have him nailed, the life of a child molester in prison is not easy, and he would be so useful to kill this child porn ring.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:00 AM
He has that depressed grown boy look.  He also looks a little like Luke Skywalker
 
2013-07-01 09:15:26 AM

Enemabag Jones: I would not want this guy murdered.

It appears they have him nailed, the life of a child molester in prison is not easy, and he would be so useful to kill this child porn ring.


Maybe, they are the ones that killed him.
 
2013-07-01 09:16:06 AM

weapon13: TFA : "An investigation done at the Altoona Police Department found around 1.5 million images on two of the hard drives"


By the time he finished beating off to all those images the kid in his first photo would be an adult...sooooo, would that be no harm no foul then?
 
2013-07-01 09:20:26 AM

Enemabag Jones: /Where does child porn get exchanged, cause if this number is right there are active exchanges out there.


Well, there's always....wait, no.
 
2013-07-01 09:23:23 AM

skinink: I believe everyone should have their day in court. But I'm also okay that there is now one less pedo around abusing children.


I don't think having the porn means you were abusing children.  It's like saying Imy friend  might be abusing tranny midgets because of the porn on my my friends' computer...
 
2013-07-01 09:27:14 AM
Cyrus the Mediocre,
Enemabag Jones: /Where does child porn get exchanged, cause if this number is right there are active exchanges out there.
Well, there's always....wait, no.


Dumb question, not really. From a technical problem solving perspective, how would this be done?

If it is illegal arms, exchanging sensitive intelligence, or the ethically horrible example of child porn, something that needs to be protected because it is illegal to own?

VPN's, old schoold BBS's, a 'sneaker network' of encrypted hard drives mailed to each other, ect. If they are really 1.5 million actual child porn (and not legal porn, hentai, or that creepy thing where they put child faces on adults), then there is a market exchanging this and it is real.
 
2013-07-01 09:28:28 AM

Enemabag Jones: An investigation done at the Altoona Police Department found around 1.5 million images on two of the hard drives, Zimmerman said.

Assuming the cops are not essentially measuring marijuana by putting the entire pot full of dirt on the scale, just disturbing.


I'm gonna guess somebody just did a search for all image types on the hard drive and just returned the number.  So that's all of your built in image files, all of your web cache, every graphic in every program you've installed.  So, yes, pot full of dirt measuring.

Unfortunately, some poor soul will have to go through the images one at a time and categorize them as CP or not.  That is a miserable job, and I hope whoever has to do it is blessed with a short memory
 
2013-07-01 09:29:51 AM
The world is a 1/7,094,000,000 better place.
 
2013-07-01 09:30:47 AM

Great Janitor: skinink: I believe everyone should have their day in court. But I'm also okay that there is now one less pedo around abusing children.

I don't think having the porn means you were abusing children.  It's like saying Imy friend  might be abusing tranny midgets because of the porn on my my friends' computer...


It's more like saying "my friend is undoubtedly whacking off to images of abused tranny midgets, has 1.5 millon images and therefore likely trades these images of abused tranny midget with other tranny midge-o-philes, and somewhere in that network there is likely a ring of midge-o-philes abusing those tranny midgets and taking pictures of it and profiting from it."

Get some perspective, will ya?
 
2013-07-01 09:34:19 AM

Enemabag Jones: Cyrus the Mediocre,
Enemabag Jones: /Where does child porn get exchanged, cause if this number is right there are active exchanges out there.
Well, there's always....wait, no.

Dumb question, not really. From a technical problem solving perspective, how would this be done?

If it is illegal arms, exchanging sensitive intelligence, or the ethically horrible example of child porn, something that needs to be protected because it is illegal to own?

VPN's, old schoold BBS's, a 'sneaker network' of encrypted hard drives mailed to each other, ect. If they are really 1.5 million actual child porn (and not legal porn, hentai, or that creepy thing where they put child faces on adults), then there is a market exchanging this and it is real.


When I first heard of things like mIRC (damn that's ancient) I was warned by friends to be careful using it because of the high amount of kiddie porn.  Said friend is a registered sex offender who, according to a newspaper, was busted in an FBI sting where he wasn't making any, just selling kiddie porn (when the story broke, my Weeners was "Well, we all knew he'd be the once convicted of a sex crime."  Second was "That does explain how he had a house, no mortgage and two new cars while working part time at the arcade for minimum wage."
 
2013-07-01 09:35:19 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Great Janitor: skinink: I believe everyone should have their day in court. But I'm also okay that there is now one less pedo around abusing children.

I don't think having the porn means you were abusing children.  It's like saying Imy friend  might be abusing tranny midgets because of the porn on my my friends' computer...

It's more like saying "my friend is undoubtedly whacking off to images of abused tranny midgets, has 1.5 millon images and therefore likely trades these images of abused tranny midget with other tranny midge-o-philes, and somewhere in that network there is likely a ring of midge-o-philes abusing those tranny midgets and taking pictures of it and profiting from it."

Get some perspective, will ya?


Someone needs to contribute to the tranny midget abuse economy or the tranny midgets will be jobless.
 
2013-07-01 09:49:03 AM
He did the world a favor.
 
2013-07-01 09:57:22 AM

Enemabag Jones: An investigation done at the Altoona Police Department found around 1.5 million images on two of the hard drives, Zimmerman said.

Assuming the cops are not essentially measuring marijuana by putting the entire pot full of dirt on the scale, just disturbing.

/Where does child porn get exchanged, cause if this number is right there are active exchanges out there.


The cops never said the 1.5 million images were anything other than lolcats. Nor did they ever say any sexually explicit images were found, either before or after the search... just that some (small?) number of "explicit images of minors" were exchanged. That would seem to include pictures of 17-year-olds at a nude beach?

It's also rather odd that a dozen days since the arrest they don't know his relationship to the owners of the house (who had the same last name) when as they suspect he might've been involved in the production of CP, making the house a potential crime scene?
 
2013-07-01 09:59:43 AM

Enemabag Jones: An investigation done at the Altoona Police Department found around 1.5 million images on two of the hard drives, Zimmerman said.

Assuming the cops are not essentially measuring marijuana by putting the entire pot full of dirt on the scale, just disturbing.

/Where does child porn get exchanged, cause if this number is right there are active exchanges out there.


cop forensics software counts all the image files on a computer indiscriminately, including browser cache and dinky website elements.

if you clear your browser cache recently you probably have 500,000 images on your computer right now. Or more if we include your sick porn collection, creep.
 
2013-07-01 10:10:16 AM
willfullyobscure,
if you clear your browser cache recently you probably have 500,000 images on your computer right now. Or more if we include your sick porn collection, creep.


I keep my sick, legal, porn collection on the internet, cop.

if you clear your browser cache recently you probably have 500,000 images on your computer right now. Or more if we include your sick porn collection, creep.
 
2013-07-01 10:11:29 AM

neversubmit: To get away with murder: leave CP on the corpse. Good tip thanks.


He was already charged with it, somebody just didn't drop some child prono on him and run off.  Try reading a little harder.
 
2013-07-01 10:36:14 AM
weapon13:

TFA : "An investigation done at the Altoona Police Department found around 1.5 million images on two of the hard drives"

Is that a lot? Was it all child porn or just a few and the rest was 'normal' porn?


Also FTFA: "His arrest followed a two-month investigation during which Hildreth allegedly shared two images of nude underage girls with Pleasant Hill Police Officer Ron Zimmerman."

Two kiddie porn photos in two months? For all we know the photos could have been two of underage girls and 1,499,998 lolcats. And the article doesn't say how underage: it could be 7 or 17.

And the article says "During a search of Hildreth's house, police retrieved computers, external hard drives and a camera." I don't have any external hard drives yet, but I do have three computers and five cameras (counting two in cell phones). Golly!

TFA goes on to say "Police also found children's toys and video games in Hildreth's basement." Since when did having kids' toys (as opposed to "adult toys") prove you're a creepy pervert?

Note also that I'm not defending him, because that article fails to provide enough information to make a factually accurate defense -- or for that matter accusation -- about.

And earlier article provides more detail:


Several "red flags" went up when police searched Hildreth's house that led investigators to question whether he was producing the pornography, Zimmerman said.

When Hildreth led officers to the basement of his home, there were children's toys, action figures and a castle set up. Hildreth told officers that the toys belonged to his 14-year-old nephew, according to the report. He'd last seen the nephew one year ago, he said.

In another basement room, police found an office with a video game system set up with two chairs for players. Hildreth told police he used to play video games with the children of his relatives. In a basement bedroom, police found a single bed with three stuffed animals sitting on it, according to the report.

So let's see: cameras, dolls action figures, toys, video games, a castle and three stuffed animals. WOW. How red can those flags get?


Since "facts" like this are enough to convince people he was a dangerous molester long before they've even started a trial, I certainly can see why he'd be "found dead."

Consider this: there are many adult men on Fark who own cameras and external hard drives; you might also find "action figures," stuffed animals and video games in our possession. Some adult men here are even into My Little Pony, and some even enjoy dressing up as cartoon and/or video game characters or stuffed animals themselves. Thanks to these fine articles we know there can be no other conclusion to draw: clearly we're dangerous exploiters of juveniles, the whole lot of us, and we must all be hunted down and shot. The sooner the better.
 
2013-07-01 10:45:37 AM
Kinda scary to read a Farker doesn't have an issue with someone possessing child porn. It doesn't matter whether or not a person acts out, just having any type of child pornography is a huge warning sign. That,s a child being taken advantage of, and I'm sure you wouldn't have been happy to have been a child who was sexually abused.

Kids have it tough enough without some sick adult preying on them.
 
2013-07-01 10:55:24 AM

skinink: Kinda scary to read a Farker doesn't have an issue with someone possessing child porn. It doesn't matter whether or not a person acts out, just having any type of child pornography is a huge warning sign. That,s a child being taken advantage of, and I'm sure you wouldn't have been happy to have been a child who was sexually abused.

Kids have it tough enough without some sick adult preying on them.


You'll They'll get over it.
 
2013-07-01 11:00:11 AM
www.abdn.ac.uk


They're not sure who painted this image of Dancing Cherubs, complete with clearly depicted genitalia, but its very existence proves he was an evil exploiter of children. Thanks to creepy perverts like this art museums all over the world are well-equipped with kiddie pr0n. Why do you peole let this go on? If you allow such images to exist for one more day you might as well be raping babies yourselves.
 
2013-07-01 11:01:05 AM

skinink: Kinda scary to read a Farker doesn't have an issue with someone possessing child porn. It doesn't matter whether or not a person acts out, just having any type of child pornography is a huge warning sign. That,s a child being taken advantage of, and I'm sure you wouldn't have been happy to have been a child who was sexually abused.

Kids have it tough enough without some sick adult preying on them.


Depends on what your assumptions are. One might argue that the more widely distributed it is, the more likely the authorities will be able to discover a given child is being abused and put a stop to it. Of course, there's the argument that a guy anonymously downloading free child porn from bittorrent causes more child porn to be made - ie, more children abused and abused more frequently - so it depends on where the balance is.

Probably best just to keep it illegal on any level.
 
2013-07-01 11:02:38 AM

The One True TheDavid: [www.abdn.ac.uk image 320x254]


They're not sure who painted this image of Dancing Cherubs, complete with clearly depicted genitalia, but its very existence proves he was an evil exploiter of children. Thanks to creepy perverts like this art museums all over the world are well-equipped with kiddie pr0n. Why do you peole let this go on? If you allow such images to exist for one more day you might as well be raping babies yourselves.


Drawn porn should definitely be in its own completely legal category. No harm is being done to anyone.
 
2013-07-01 11:11:04 AM

vygramul: skinink: Kinda scary to read a Farker doesn't have an issue with someone possessing child porn. It doesn't matter whether or not a person acts out, just having any type of child pornography is a huge warning sign. That,s a child being taken advantage of, and I'm sure you wouldn't have been happy to have been a child who was sexually abused.

Kids have it tough enough without some sick adult preying on them.

Depends on what your assumptions are. One might argue that the more widely distributed it is, the more likely the authorities will be able to discover a given child is being abused and put a stop to it. Of course, there's the argument that a guy anonymously downloading free child porn from bittorrent causes more child porn to be made - ie, more children abused and abused more frequently - so it depends on where the balance is.

Probably best just to keep it illegal on any level.


I just argue that we don't just see someone with child porn and accuse that person of child abuse.  Let's accuse said person of child abuse when there is evidence of it.  If the guy is just collecting it from torrent sites and keeping it, yeah, still sick, but he's not abusing anyone.  The makers, yeah, get them on the abuse provided the makers aren't preteens and teens who made the bad choice of putting a nude selfie onto the internet (like emailing it to her of the same aged bf who then posted it online for all to see).
 
2013-07-01 11:16:06 AM

vygramul: The One True TheDavid: [www.abdn.ac.uk image 320x254]


www.abdn.ac.uk

They're not sure who painted this image of Dancing Cherubs, complete with clearly depicted genitalia, but its very existence proves he was an evil exploiter of children. Thanks to creepy perverts like this art museums all over the world are well-equipped with kiddie pr0n. Why do you peole let this go on? If you allow such images to exist for one more day you might as well be raping babies yourselves.

Drawn porn should definitely be in its own completely legal category. No harm is being done to anyone.


But it's only drawn because in the 1500s when this painting was (alegedly) produced they didn't have cameras or video recorders. They hadn't been invented yet. So any visusal pornography would have had to be drawn or painted.

Just look at the detail: clearly this artist had carefully studied naked babies' bodies with his own two eyes. He might have even had a few kiddies posing at the same time. Not only that, but the depiction of boy bits is obviously meant to arouse prurient interest, because why else would he bother? Lots of Renaissance painters had the decency to paint babies wearing togas or loin-binders.

"No harm is being done to anyone," you say. Why are you defending a child abuser?!? Maybe we should send the po-po to your basement. You creepy pervert you.
 
2013-07-01 11:20:51 AM
The One True TheDavid,
They're not sure who painted this image of Dancing Cherubs, complete with clearly depicted genitalia, but its very existence proves he was an evil exploiter of children. Thanks to creepy perverts like this art museums all over the world are well-equipped with kiddie pr0n. Why do you peole let this go on? If you allow such images to exist for one more day you might as well be raping babies yourselves.


I just saw this standup comedy video on celebrities and pedofiles. The argument was that Elvis had Priscilla move in at 14, married her at 17.

Charlie Chaplin had a thing for women on the younger teen age range.

In the early 60's I would bet that to lots of people there was nothing wrong with dating a 14 year old, now they are out of bounds.

Part of it is based on that you need to go to college to survive and people can't drop out and survive working in a factory anymore. Part of it is that the United States take on sexuality is becoming more reactionary about relations with those below 17-18 vs 40-50 years ago .

Link
 
2013-07-01 11:22:32 AM

Great Janitor: I just argue that we don't just see someone with child porn and accuse that person of child abuse.  Let's accuse said person of child abuse when there is evidence of it.  If the guy is just collecting it from torrent sites and keeping it, yeah, still sick, but he's not abusing anyone.  The makers, yeah, get them on the abuse provided the makers aren't preteens and teens who made the bad choice of putting a nude selfie onto the internet (like emailing it to her of the same aged bf who then posted it online for all to see).


You're absolutely right there. Some people recognize the difference between fantasy and reality. Some people have rape fantasies but are sickened by the ugly reality of rape. Some people fantasize about being a killer spy but couldn't bring themselves to actually kill someone in real life. I can see someone with a child-sex fantasy but recognizing the actual problems with child-sex and would never do it.
 
2013-07-01 11:52:47 AM
vygramul:

I can see someone with a child-sex fantasy but recognizing the actual problems with child-sex and would never do it.

I don't understand the attraction at all, if you're talking about pre-pubescent children. When I was 8 I chased Fern Geeber (also 8 then) around the playground trying to kiss her, but since age 12 the idea of anybody too young to grow pubic hair has left me totally cold. Nevertheless, this whole moral panic is way overblown and seems to be little more than an excuse to increase domestic surveillance and to justify more "police presence" in society.

Again, if people can be born gay or straight people can also be born pedophiles. Not that we should give them gitmos of babies to rape, only that we shouldn't blame people for having those desires.

And as far as "viewing images" goes, there's probably enough kiddie porn floating around cyberspace so nobody has to take any more photos, and looking at pictures is not the same thing as molesting them yourself. Proportion, y'know.

Maybe therapies and/or drugs to help people afflicted with this problem continue to resist the urge would be better than the criminalizing approach used now.
 
2013-07-01 12:12:12 PM

Great Janitor: vygramul: skinink: Kinda scary to read a Farker doesn't have an issue with someone possessing child porn. It doesn't matter whether or not a person acts out, just having any type of child pornography is a huge warning sign. That,s a child being taken advantage of, and I'm sure you wouldn't have been happy to have been a child who was sexually abused.

Kids have it tough enough without some sick adult preying on them.

Depends on what your assumptions are. One might argue that the more widely distributed it is, the more likely the authorities will be able to discover a given child is being abused and put a stop to it. Of course, there's the argument that a guy anonymously downloading free child porn from bittorrent causes more child porn to be made - ie, more children abused and abused more frequently - so it depends on where the balance is.

Probably best just to keep it illegal on any level.

I just argue that we don't just see someone with child porn and accuse that person of child abuse.  Let's accuse said person of child abuse when there is evidence of it.  If the guy is just collecting it from torrent sites and keeping it, yeah, still sick, but he's not abusing anyone.  The makers, yeah, get them on the abuse provided the makers aren't preteens and teens who made the bad choice of putting a nude selfie onto the internet (like emailing it to her of the same aged bf who then posted it online for all to see).


If he's collecting it, he's helping build the market for it, thus promoting the production of it.  (Sorry, I have a friend (not me!) who had the misfortune to meet a guy known (even praised) in the community for teaching children about photography (no one knew at the time what sort of photography) right around the time her breasts began to develop.)
 
2013-07-01 12:30:07 PM

The One True TheDavid: vygramul:

I can see someone with a child-sex fantasy but recognizing the actual problems with child-sex and would never do it.

I don't understand the attraction at all, if you're talking about pre-pubescent children. When I was 8 I chased Fern Geeber (also 8 then) around the playground trying to kiss her, but since age 12 the idea of anybody too young to grow pubic hair has left me totally cold. Nevertheless, this whole moral panic is way overblown and seems to be little more than an excuse to increase domestic surveillance and to justify more "police presence" in society.

Again, if people can be born gay or straight people can also be born pedophiles. Not that we should give them gitmos of babies to rape, only that we shouldn't blame people for having those desires.

And as far as "viewing images" goes, there's probably enough kiddie porn floating around cyberspace so nobody has to take any more photos, and looking at pictures is not the same thing as molesting them yourself. Proportion, y'know.

Maybe therapies and/or drugs to help people afflicted with this problem continue to resist the urge would be better than the criminalizing approach used now.


We're not about treatment of urges, we're about criminalizing them. Witness the Drug War.
 
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