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2013-07-01 09:01:19 AM
Meh, the old guard is dying off.....
 
2013-07-01 09:06:05 AM
Those with power never understand how anyone could get tired of their shiat.
 
2013-07-01 09:13:15 AM
Now if only it could get less expensive.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:26 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Now if only it could get less expensive.


You mean like by growing it yourself?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-01 09:14:26 AM
You can think that smoking out all the time is stupid and simultaneously believe that spending all the money to prosecute and jail victimless drug offenses is stupid and wasteful.

For some reason so-called journalists think the two are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:50 AM
"Now we're legalizing a third addictive substance."

I hope he's talking about caffeine.
 
2013-07-01 09:16:43 AM
Plus the ATF will have to print up a bunch of new jackets.
 
2013-07-01 09:17:01 AM

d23: You can think that smoking out all the time is stupid and simultaneously believe that spending all the money to prosecute and jail victimless drug offenses is stupid and wasteful.

For some reason so-called journalists think the two are mutually exclusive.


Agreed.  I literally could not care less if people want to smoke pot.  Just don't blow it in my face and don't show up to work high.  Also, maybe buy some Febreeze.
 
2013-07-01 09:17:29 AM

t3knomanser: "Now we're legalizing a third addictive substance."

I hope he's talking about caffeine.


Oxygen is addictive. So is water.

So pot would be about the.... 50th addictive substance that's legalized.
 
2013-07-01 09:19:24 AM
Lock 'em up and take away their money. Along with cigarette smokers and alcohol drinkers.

How dare they. The children.
 
2013-07-01 09:22:40 AM
"Think about it: Do you want a nation where your young people are stoned?"

This is one of the more moronic arguments. Are dealers in states where marijuana is illegal checking ID?
 
2013-07-01 09:24:48 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "Think about it: Do you want a nation where your young people are stoned?"

This is one of the more moronic arguments. Are dealers in states where marijuana is illegal checking ID?


Not to mention, I don't know anyone that's stoned.  I know some people who  get stoned occasionally.  I know a lot of people who get drunk, but no one who  is drunk.
 
2013-07-01 09:28:28 AM

Smoking GNU: CapeFearCadaver: Now if only it could get less expensive.

You mean like by growing it yourself?


I'd be sent to GITMO if I did that in my State.
 
2013-07-01 09:32:55 AM
It's been quite a racket for the Feds.  If pot gets legalized they'll be stopped from seizing the assets of millions of otherwise law abiding citizens.  That'll leave quite a hole in the DEA's budget.
 
2013-07-01 09:34:37 AM
People are looking more kindly on marijuana even as science reveals more about the drug's potential dangers, particularly for young people

In that case we should make it harder for children to get pot.  Which means regulating it just like alcohol.
 
2013-07-01 09:41:44 AM
"Think about it: Do you want a nation where your young people are stoned?"

Did you check the useage rates in Portugal after drugs were decriminalized?

Marijuana useage among high-school aged kids in the U.S. is about at an all-time high (ba-dum, tish!). But after Portugal decriminalized drugs, the usage rates for every class of drug dropped by about half.
 
2013-07-01 09:45:36 AM

Marcus Aurelius: People are looking more kindly on marijuana even as science reveals more about the drug's potential dangers, particularly for young people

In that case we should make it harder for children to get pot.  Which means regulating it just like alcohol.


Indeed. The outlines for such regulations are already on the books. Make it legal but age-restricted, like alcohol. Just needs a tiny amendment to the law to include it in.
 
2013-07-01 09:45:43 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "Think about it: Do you want a nation where your young people are stoned?"

This is one of the more moronic arguments. Are dealers in states where marijuana is illegal checking ID?


Under that logic, alcohol should be outlawed.
 
2013-07-01 09:47:35 AM

Smoking GNU: Make it legal but age-restricted


For recreational use, sure.

However, I've been hearing some very good things about children with epilepsy, autism, and ADD who are being treated with MMJ that are near normal. I'd like to see pot decriminalized so we can get some really good research started.

/even for all the "overdoses" on pot by kids we've been hearing about in Colorado and such, there still hasn't been a single death. Think about that one for a bit.
 
2013-07-01 09:54:39 AM

JRoo: Lock 'em up and take away their money. Along with cigarette smokers and alcohol drinkers.

How dare they. The children.


img.ccdn.cannabisculture.com
This was trending up on top last week on Hulu.

Moms Say Marijuana Makes Them Better Parents
 
2013-07-01 09:58:47 AM

NostroZ: Moms Say Marijuana Makes Them Better Parents


My google-fu is failing, but I read an article recently that had a study out of Jamaica showing that women who use pot moderately (I think even heavily, but I'm hedging to be safe) gave birth to babies who seemed more alert, less fussy, seemed less anxious, and more socially responsive than babies born of "sober" parents. This has interesting implications considering most of human learning (especially for the first few years) is done socially.
 
2013-07-01 09:59:04 AM
FTA: Dr. Nora Volkow, the institute's director, worries that legalizing pot will result in increased use of marijuana by young people, and impair their brain development.

"Think about it: Do you want a nation where your young people are stoned?" she asks.


What, you mean like in Saudi Arabia? Well, no, of course not. What a dumb question.
 
2013-07-01 10:23:19 AM
There's a lot of money in police state infrastructure. You can't turn that tank around on a dime. Lots of low rent humans will lose their jobs.
 
2013-07-01 10:26:22 AM

basemetal: Meh, the old guard is dying off.....


This. We're several generations beyond Prohibition, and a few generations beyond "Reefer Madness" and the Hearst Corporation. It's not that we've "moved so dramatically toward general acceptance", but that the roadblocks which prevented rapid action are becoming irrelevant. The old crop of folks in state governments, in Congress, in the Oval Office, are being slowly replaced by a new crop of folks that were born & grew up in the 60's and 70's. Pot isn't "evil" to them.
 
2013-07-01 10:27:05 AM

Phil Moskowitz: There's a lot of money in police state infrastructure. You can't turn that tank around on a dime. Lots of low rent humans will lose their jobs.


There's good money in farming dope, I hear.
 
2013-07-01 10:57:34 AM

Peki: NostroZ: Moms Say Marijuana Makes Them Better Parents

My google-fu is failing, but I read an article recently that had a study out of Jamaica showing that women who use pot moderately (I think even heavily, but I'm hedging to be safe) gave birth to babies who seemed more alert, less fussy, seemed less anxious, and more socially responsive than babies born of "sober" parents. This has interesting implications considering most of human learning (especially for the first few years) is done socially.


We're into 'pot socializing' babies before it was cool:
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2013-07-01 11:00:12 AM

FormlessOne: basemetal: Meh, the old guard is dying off.....

This. We're several generations beyond Prohibition, and a few generations beyond "Reefer Madness" and the Hearst Corporation. It's not that we've "moved so dramatically toward general acceptance", but that the roadblocks which prevented rapid action are becoming irrelevant. The old crop of folks in state governments, in Congress, in the Oval Office, are being slowly replaced by a new crop of folks that were born & grew up in the 60's and 70's. Pot isn't "evil" to them.



Getting high and watching a midnight showing of "Reefer Madness" was like a rite of passage when I was a kid.
 
2013-07-01 11:02:26 AM

t3knomanser: "Now we're legalizing a third addictive substance."

I hope he's talking about caffeine.


The dude was "a former drug policy adviser in the Obama administration." That goes a long way into explaining why the feds are so boneheaded on the issue (corruption at the DEA and our privatized prison system aside, of course).

Instead of telling Obama that pot is addictive and bad, he could have just asked, "So, do you regret all those years you spent in the Choom Gang as a pot smoking champ? No? You wound up going to Harvard Law School, became president and had a great time as a youth smoking reefer? Wow, I have no idea what I'm even doing here then. Maybe I should finish the GED in law I've been working on. Hell, I still haven't figured out how to make sure my sentences don't end in prepositions."

Bob Saget never sucked a dick for pot.
 
2013-07-01 12:13:42 PM
Legalization would put a lot of cops out of work, or force them to go after, you know, crime. And don't forget about the national park dope growers and Mexican drug cartels. Without the income from their regular marijuana sales, they'd never be able to support families. Or behead them. So let's not be hasty.
 
2013-07-01 12:31:41 PM
I think one of the more insulting things is a president joking about doing it when he was younger.  I'm pretty sure all the kids that got caught, or didn't have the influence behind them, that are rotting in jail think it's absolutely hilarious.  Just make it legal and treat it like alcohol in regards to operating machinery/vehicles.
 
2013-07-01 01:32:19 PM
I've written every one of my representatives from the bottom up.  It's the right thing to do.
 
2013-07-01 01:36:29 PM

You Are All Sheep: I think one of the more insulting things is a president joking about doing it when he was younger.  I'm pretty sure all the kids that got caught, or didn't have the influence behind them, that are rotting in jail think it's absolutely hilarious.  Just make it legal and treat it like alcohol in regards to operating machinery/vehicles.


The president can't really DO anything about it.

"Black people" and "drug use" are already synonymous in the minds of his plethora of bigoted detractors (the bigoted segment, I mean). If Obama so much as TOUCHED the subject of easing the War on Drugs, you'd see an orgiastic Foxsplosion of talking heads batting around that Obama wants to get high with his buddies.

Essentially, the entire legitimate substance of the issue - the tragedy of people having years of their lives stolen from them by the justice system over something so trivial - will be drowned out in favor of "Black President Wants Legal Drugs". Another president might be able to do it, but it's literally impossible for Obama.

It's a real shame.
 
2013-07-01 01:39:45 PM
We keep shoveling money at the campaign of deceit, double-talk and full-on misinformation, but for some reason it just ISN'T working anymore!!

BlastYoBoots: You Are All Sheep: I think one of the more insulting things is a president joking about doing it when he was younger.  I'm pretty sure all the kids that got caught, or didn't have the influence behind them, that are rotting in jail think it's absolutely hilarious.  Just make it legal and treat it like alcohol in regards to operating machinery/vehicles.

The president can't really DO anything about it.

"Black people" and "drug use" are already synonymous in the minds of his plethora of bigoted detractors (the bigoted segment, I mean). If Obama so much as TOUCHED the subject of easing the War on Drugs, you'd see an orgiastic Foxsplosion of talking heads batting around that Obama wants to get high with his buddies.

Essentially, the entire legitimate substance of the issue - the tragedy of people having years of their lives stolen from them by the justice system over something so trivial - will be drowned out in favor of "Black President Wants Legal Drugs". Another president might be able to do it, but it's literally impossible for Obama.

It's a real shame.


This is the DEFINITION of "letting the terrorists win," even if true. If he truly believed that, but did nothing because he's afraid of what Fox News (the same network that makes a weeklong news cycle out of his burger toppings) will say, that's actually quite a bit MORE sad.

/the truth, likely, lies somewhere in between
 
2013-07-01 01:41:05 PM

BlastYoBoots: You Are All Sheep: I think one of the more insulting things is a president joking about doing it when he was younger.  I'm pretty sure all the kids that got caught, or didn't have the influence behind them, that are rotting in jail think it's absolutely hilarious.  Just make it legal and treat it like alcohol in regards to operating machinery/vehicles.

The president can't really DO anything about it.

"Black people" and "drug use" are already synonymous in the minds of his plethora of bigoted detractors (the bigoted segment, I mean). If Obama so much as TOUCHED the subject of easing the War on Drugs, you'd see an orgiastic Foxsplosion of talking heads batting around that Obama wants to get high with his buddies.

Essentially, the entire legitimate substance of the issue - the tragedy of people having years of their lives stolen from them by the justice system over something so trivial - will be drowned out in favor of "Black President Wants Legal Drugs". Another president might be able to do it, but it's literally impossible for Obama.

It's a real shame.


Oh, I forgot to mention how what I just said was detailed and brought up in this awesome essay I read a while back, if I recall. WARNING: REALLY LONG.
 
2013-07-01 01:44:20 PM

You Are All Sheep: I think one of the more insulting things is a president joking about doing it when he was younger.  I'm pretty sure all the kids that got caught, or didn't have the influence behind them, that are rotting in jail think it's absolutely hilarious.  Just make it legal and treat it like alcohol in regards to operating machinery/vehicles.


Yes, and they can never be President or get Federal funding for education because they're now felons for life.  His Justice Department's continued crackdown on dispensaries was one of my first big disillusionments with the man.
 
2013-07-01 01:50:18 PM
l.yimg.com

FILE - This April 14, 2010 file photo shows more than 100 boxes containing over 252,000 signatures collected by the Arizona Medical Marijuana Policy Project line at the Arizona Secretary of State's Office at the Capitol in Phoenix.

Ummm...no, it doesn't.  Not even close.  Looks like Mr. Caption Writer has been smoking something of his own.
 
2013-07-01 01:55:37 PM

dehehn: You Are All Sheep: I think one of the more insulting things is a president joking about doing it when he was younger.  I'm pretty sure all the kids that got caught, or didn't have the influence behind them, that are rotting in jail think it's absolutely hilarious.  Just make it legal and treat it like alcohol in regards to operating machinery/vehicles.

Yes, and they can never be President or get Federal funding for education because they're now felons for life.  His Justice Department's continued crackdown on dispensaries was one of my first big disillusionments with the man.


I mercifully managed to dig the relevant paragraph out of the too-long essay I just linked:

"Whatever the political intelligence of this calculus, it has broad and deep consequences. The most obvious result is that it prevents Obama from directly addressing America's racial history, or saying anything meaningful about present issues tinged by race, such as mass incarceration or the drug war. There have been calls for Obama to take a softer line on state-level legalization of marijuana or even to stand for legalization himself. Indeed, there is no small amount of inconsistency in our black president's either ignoring or upholding harsh drug laws that every day injure the prospects of young black men-laws that could have ended his own, had he been of another social class and arrested for the marijuana use he openly discusses. But the intellectual argument doubles as the counterargument. If the fact of a black president is enough to racialize the wonkish world of health-care reform, what havoc would the Obama touch wreak upon the already racialized world of drug policy?"

The whole essay is worth reading for context... Essentially, there's a difference between 'cowardice' in not standing up on this issue and sheer practicality. If Obama takes any sort of stand on this issue, the racism - when combined with the brinksmanship already present, and the opposition's shameless willingness to exploit the racists - is still just a tad too strong for him to win.

It'd just be a pointless, sad political bloodbath. I really believe that if Obama COULD bring about any true change on this issue, he would. He heard about this pain in church, and knows who and how many suffer it most acutely, even if he's been brought out of touch on a number of other issues, IMO.
 
2013-07-01 02:11:16 PM
Because the one thing the feds can not fathom is the freedom.
 
2013-07-01 03:53:48 PM
Quit using children as an excuse to make substances illegal. Minors who want booze and cigarettes find a way to obtain them. They also find a way to obtain pot. This is not an excuse to keep moderately harmless drugs out of the hands of adults. And yes, as a (former, for job reasons) long time pot smoker, I do believe that marijuana is way less harmful than booze or cigarettes.
 
2013-07-01 04:25:07 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "Think about it: Do you want a nation where your young people are stoned?"

This is one of the more moronic arguments. Are dealers in states where marijuana is illegal checking ID?


My high school age son could get pot in about 2 min. The only way they're getting booze is if they steal it or get someones older brother to buy it.  It's immensely more difficult to get alcohol. And if pot were legal I suspect the same difficulties in obtaining it would start to happen too.

Make it legal already.
 
2013-07-01 09:11:55 PM
FTFA: They warn that baby boomers who draw on their own innocuous experiences with pot are overlooking the much higher potency of today's marijuana.
In 2009, concentrations of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in pot, averaged close to 10 percent in marijuana, compared with about 4 percent in the 1980s, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.


This seems to be in any pot story and I always think "obviously you've never smoked pot." They always seem to be under the impression that it's like smoking a tobacco cigarette, that a person just sits down and smokes the whole thing. Stronger pot means fewer hits, less smoke in the lungs, etc. People aren't getting sooooo much more high, they're getting the same high from a smaller amount of pot.
 
2013-07-02 12:47:35 PM

BlastYoBoots: dehehn: You Are All Sheep: I think one of the more insulting things is a president joking about doing it when he was younger.  I'm pretty sure all the kids that got caught, or didn't have the influence behind them, that are rotting in jail think it's absolutely hilarious.  Just make it legal and treat it like alcohol in regards to operating machinery/vehicles.

Yes, and they can never be President or get Federal funding for education because they're now felons for life.  His Justice Department's continued crackdown on dispensaries was one of my first big disillusionments with the man.

I mercifully managed to dig the relevant paragraph out of the too-long essay I just linked:

"Whatever the political intelligence of this calculus, it has broad and deep consequences. The most obvious result is that it prevents Obama from directly addressing America's racial history, or saying anything meaningful about present issues tinged by race, such as mass incarceration or the drug war. There have been calls for Obama to take a softer line on state-level legalization of marijuana or even to stand for legalization himself. Indeed, there is no small amount of inconsistency in our black president's either ignoring or upholding harsh drug laws that every day injure the prospects of young black men-laws that could have ended his own, had he been of another social class and arrested for the marijuana use he openly discusses. But the intellectual argument doubles as the counterargument. If the fact of a black president is enough to racialize the wonkish world of health-care reform, what havoc would the Obama touch wreak upon the already racialized world of drug policy?"

The whole essay is worth reading for context... Essentially, there's a difference between 'cowardice' in not standing up on this issue and sheer practicality. If Obama takes any sort of stand on this issue, the racism - when combined with the brinksmanship already present, and the opposition's shameless willingness to ...


TLDR thanks to racists and people who kneejerk hate anything Obama touches we can't have nice things
 
2013-07-02 01:07:01 PM
Yep, Crotchrocket Slim, that pretty much sums up the past five years. And the next three.
 
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