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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Scientific testimony expected today in Zimmerman trial. Real science, not "God told me, so it must be true" science, which you would expect from Florida   (startribune.com) divider line 120
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2013-07-01 08:31:30 AM
Zimmerman is going to moonwalk out of the courthouse a free man. Trayvon supporters will riot. Best the judge dismisses the case now and get it over with.
 
2013-07-01 08:34:39 AM
And here we go.
 
2013-07-01 08:35:12 AM
Science is only used when it doesn't contradict anything that goes against the belief system(s)
 
2013-07-01 08:35:20 AM
I'm not sure scientific testimony will shed any new light on things.  I mean, the what, when and how of the shooting itself isn't really in question by either side.
 
2013-07-01 08:35:22 AM
That crazy ass Mexican cracker will be a free man. I've heard Zimmerman called every race but black or Martian.
 
2013-07-01 08:35:40 AM
im going to use that from now on.

Real Science™
 
2013-07-01 08:35:41 AM
I'm not usually one to complain about someone's writing skills (glass houses and all) but damn.
 
2013-07-01 08:37:32 AM

baufan2005: That crazy ass Mexican cracker will be a free man. I've heard Zimmerman called every race but black or Martian.


Actually, if I'm not mistaken, he does have a little African heritage in him.
 
2013-07-01 08:38:37 AM
So is this our livestream thread for the day? I can't see the queue as my TF expired yesterday.

Also, FTFA: Zimmerman has denied the confrontation had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and their supporters have claimed.

The Martin family attorneys started back peddling on the race issue after Jeantel testified. Funny how that happens, when it turns out your son was the racist, not Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-01 08:39:05 AM
Real science, not "God told me, so it must be true" science, which you would expect from Florida

That's retarded, sir.
 
2013-07-01 08:39:57 AM

nekom: baufan2005: That crazy ass Mexican cracker will be a free man. I've heard Zimmerman called every race but black or Martian.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, he does have a little African heritage in him.


You are not, I believe he is 1/8 black.

Would that make him a black corn chip, not a cracker?
 
2013-07-01 08:40:09 AM

baufan2005: That crazy ass Mexican cracker will be a free man. I've heard Zimmerman called every race but black or Martian.


Mexican cracker?

www.therawfoodworld.com
 
2013-07-01 08:40:17 AM

Frank N Stein: Zimmerman is going to moonwalk out of the courthouse a free man. Trayvon supporters will riot. Best the judge dismisses the case now and get it over with.


He's too fat to moonwalk. At best he'll do the Uranus shuffle.
 
2013-07-01 08:42:09 AM

Elegy: So is this our livestream thread for the day? I can't see the queue as my TF expired yesterday.

Also, FTFA: Zimmerman has denied the confrontation had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and their supporters have claimed.

The Martin family attorneys started back peddling on the race issue after Jeantel testified. Funny how that happens, when it turns out your son was the racist, not Zimmerman.


They're lucky there's poorly written laws that prevent people from doing character assassination on the alleged "victims" of crimes in most cases. If attorneys were allowed to do to "victims" what the media is allowed to do to people who are accused....

Yeah.
 
2013-07-01 08:44:05 AM
 
2013-07-01 08:45:24 AM

nekom: I'm not sure scientific testimony will shed any new light on things.  I mean, the what, when and how of the shooting itself isn't really in question by either side.


The prosecution is grasping at straws.   If they were smart, they never would have brought this to trial, but since it's a politically motivated, they have to keep going.

As a side note, if any memos or e-mails or whatever ever surface that say "we're prosecuting Z even though we know he's probably innocent, but we're afraid of riots" then Z will become a very rich man.
 
2013-07-01 08:45:31 AM

nekom: I'm not sure scientific testimony will shed any new light on things.  I mean, the what, when and how of the shooting itself isn't really in question by either side.


This exactly.  Not only that, but why would the prosecution care about science at all?  They're trying to prove depraved mind or enmity:

To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the defendant acted according to a "depraved mind" without regard for human life. Florida state laws permit the prosecution of second degree murder when the killing lacked premeditation or planning, but the defendant acted with enmity toward the victim or the two had an ongoing interaction or relationship. Unlike first degree murder, second degree murder does not necessarily require proof of the defendant's intent to kill. -   source

Science is descriptive, it can't shed any light on motivation.  Are they going to tell us the wounds weren't serious enough to warrant "fear for life"?  That seems silly considering Zimmerman didn't know the extent of his wounds mid-beating.
 
2013-07-01 08:45:39 AM

Frank N Stein: Zimmerman is going to moonwalk out of the courthouse a free man. Trayvon supporters will riot. Best the judge dismisses the case now and get it over with.


BUT THINK OF THE RATINGS!

I bet the judge can score a huge ass book deal over this show trial.

Why would anyone want to end this thing early? We need to milk this for everything it's worth.
 
2013-07-01 08:47:49 AM

Carth: To get some discussion going here is the NYT Op-ed on the trial so far.


Thanks.

Pretty much what you'd expect.
 
2013-07-01 08:49:39 AM

The Muthaship: Carth: To get some discussion going here is the NYT Op-ed on the trial so far.

Thanks.

Pretty much what you'd expect.


i thought the comments were really interesting. It was like Bizzaro fark where everything is opposite.
 
2013-07-01 08:52:31 AM
Meanwhile in the city where I am from there has been 12 extremely violent homicides in 10 days. All black on black crime, yet this Zimmerman trial is the front page headline of the local news every day that it prints. Must be why its down to three days a week printing now.
 
2013-07-01 08:53:54 AM

dittybopper: As a side note, if any memos or e-mails or whatever ever surface that say "we're prosecuting Z even though we know he's probably innocent, but we're afraid of riots" then Z will become a very rich man.


I should point out that even though I think the prosecution team is stupid, even I don't think they are *THAT* stupid, to put that sort of thing into writing.  The only way I can see something like that is a CYA memo saying "We wouldn't go forward with this, but X ordered us to".
 
2013-07-01 08:55:01 AM

Frank N Stein: Zimmerman is going to moonwalk out of the courthouse a free man. Trayvon supporters will riot. Best the judge dismisses the case now and get it over with.


More like.. a not white man will be sentenced to life in rape to punish white people
 
2013-07-01 08:59:26 AM
If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail. Being it would be considered self-defense? If they can't can he sue for defamation of character?
 
2013-07-01 09:00:07 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail. Being it would be considered self-defense? If they can't can he sue for defamation of character?


Everyone is free to sue for everything.
 
2013-07-01 09:00:40 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail. Being it would be considered self-defense? If they can't can he sue for defamation of character?


My understanding is that only the SYG angle, which of course was not used, would have done that.  I could be wrong, but I think he could still litigate wrongful death.
 
2013-07-01 09:00:56 AM
From one Zimmerman
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To another.
 
2013-07-01 09:03:11 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail.


It should but I don't think so. The American legal system is designed over centuries to fark you out of all your money with no regard for justice, the truth, or efficiency.

As long as you've got an attorney slimy enough and the war chest to pay him, you can perpetually antagonize someone.
 
2013-07-01 09:05:00 AM
 
2013-07-01 09:05:17 AM

nekom: Mid_mo_mad_man: If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail. Being it would be considered self-defense? If they can't can he sue for defamation of character?

My understanding is that only the SYG angle, which of course was not used, would have done that.  I could be wrong, but I think he could still litigate wrongful death.


My unserstanding is that under certain self-defense clauses, if Zimmerman walks on self-defense he is immune from civil liability. However, the statute that covers immunity doesn't include self-defense by the aggressor, so I'm not sure how that will play out.
 
2013-07-01 09:06:09 AM
The media should be indicted for their handling of this case.

When Zimmerman is acquitted any resulting riots or violence is the medias fault.

GZ and his wife still have to deal with the additional charges about the way they handled  donations. Hopefully he sues NBC and wins some money.
 
2013-07-01 09:08:13 AM
Ah, here's that immunity statute. It does not cover self-defense by the aggressor.

So probably he will be immune, but maybe not if the jury thinks he was the aggressor.
 
2013-07-01 09:08:59 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail. Being it would be considered self-defense? If they can't can he sue for defamation of character?


Zimmerman's lawyers waived the pre-trial Stand Your Ground hearing but reserved the right to ask for one after the trial concludes. In the event of acquittal, they can use the acquittal in the SYG hearing, and a finding in favor of Zimmerman would effectively immunize him from civil suit.

nekom: My understanding is that only the SYG angle, which of course was not used, would have done that. I could be wrong, but I think he could still litigate wrongful death.


As I recall, the defense lawyers reserved the right to call for a SYG hearing after the criminal trial.
 
2013-07-01 09:09:46 AM

doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail.

It should but I don't think so. The American legal system is designed over centuries to fark you out of all your money with no regard for justice, the truth, or efficiency.


To be fair, there's a significantly lower burden of proof in a civil suit, and the plaintiff has more evidentiary leeway than a prosecutor.  This is why OJ was found liable even though he got off in his criminal trial.
 
2013-07-01 09:10:04 AM
heili skrimsli:
As I recall, the defense lawyers reserved the right to call for a SYG hearing after the criminal trial.

I heard someone speculate that but never really figured out definitively if you can do that after the fact.  If so, could his acquittal be used as evidence in a later SYG hearing?
 
2013-07-01 09:10:19 AM

s2s2s2: Trayvon Martin's Stepmother Speaks Out: I Don't Think Zimmerman 'Picked Him Out Because He Was Black'


Watching that, didn't they say she was married to Trayvon's father at the time of the shooting while he was at his fiancee's house?

Doesn't matter for the trial, but I just thought it was odd.
 
2013-07-01 09:12:20 AM

nekom: heili skrimsli:
As I recall, the defense lawyers reserved the right to call for a SYG hearing after the criminal trial.

I heard someone speculate that but never really figured out definitively if you can do that after the fact.  If so, could his acquittal be used as evidence in a later SYG hearing?


It's never been done before, so no one knows if it will be allowed.

We have an official livestream thread here, so see you guys there.
 
2013-07-01 09:13:39 AM

baufan2005: Meanwhile in the city where I am from there has been 12 extremely violent homicides in 10 days. All black on black crime, yet this Zimmerman trial is the front page headline of the local news every day that it prints. Must be why its down to three days a week printing now.


Snitches get stitches, yo.
 
2013-07-01 09:13:40 AM

s2s2s2: Trayvon Martin's Stepmother Speaks Out: I Don't Think Zimmerman 'Picked Him Out Because He Was Black'


So, how long after this trial wraps up do you figure before they're divorced?
 
2013-07-01 09:14:05 AM

dittybopper: nekom: I'm not sure scientific testimony will shed any new light on things.  I mean, the what, when and how of the shooting itself isn't really in question by either side.

The prosecution is grasping at straws.   If they were smart, they never would have brought this to trial, but since it's a politically motivated, they have to keep going.

As a side note, if any memos or e-mails or whatever ever surface that say "we're prosecuting Z even though we know he's probably innocent, but we're afraid of riots" then Z will become a very rich man.


Politically motivated trial? I have yet to see any conclusive evidence to show that it was politically motivated.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:11 AM
I'm confused. Is this today's trial thread?
 
2013-07-01 09:17:30 AM
So they have allowed an audio expert?
I thought that was disallowed?

I got into a twitter discussion this weekend with a semi-celebrity, about this case. I am still surprised by the disconnect in logic so many people have about this case. I guess I shouldn't be. Twitter makes Fark's idiot brigade look like a brain trust.
 
2013-07-01 09:19:38 AM

Abuse Liability: nekom: I'm not sure scientific testimony will shed any new light on things.  I mean, the what, when and how of the shooting itself isn't really in question by either side.

This exactly.  Not only that, but why would the prosecution care about science at all?  They're trying to prove depraved mind or enmity:

To prove second degree murder, a prosecutor must show that the defendant acted according to a "depraved mind" without regard for human life. Florida state laws permit the prosecution of second degree murder when the killing lacked premeditation or planning, but the defendant acted with enmity toward the victim or the two had an ongoing interaction or relationship. Unlike first degree murder, second degree murder does not necessarily require proof of the defendant's intent to kill. -   source

Science is descriptive, it can't shed any light on motivation.  Are they going to tell us the wounds weren't serious enough to warrant "fear for life"?  That seems silly considering Zimmerman didn't know the extent of his wounds mid-beating.


The forensic testimony can help immensely. If the evidence is inconsistent with Zimmerman's account, that's certainly helpful.
 
2013-07-01 09:19:52 AM
cuz iffa so, imma chargin' muh photoshops!
 
2013-07-01 09:20:19 AM

chrylis: To be fair, there's a significantly lower burden of proof in a civil suit


THAT'S NOT FAIR AT ALL.

Criminal matters should include any possible civil liability dependent upon the outcome of the trial. If someone did kill your son illegally, you should be able to sue them for a percentage of their assets past, present, and future. That's fine, but should be slaved to the outcome of the criminal trial.

The idea that you can sue someone who was found innocent of criminal wrongdoing to a much higher standard liable at a much lower standard is totally wrong. It's like playing a game against a petulant child who keeps making up new rules until they can beat you. The legal system should not have the potential for abuse like that.
 
2013-07-01 09:20:39 AM

nekom: I'm not sure scientific testimony will shed any new light on things.  I mean, the what, when and how of the shooting itself isn't really in question by either side.


Perhaps they are going to show that Treyvon had an overdeveloped Medulla Oblongata, or the wrong teeth to toothbrush ratio.  More likely the second since this is Florida.
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2013-07-01 09:22:48 AM

Carth: To get some discussion going here is the NYT Op-ed on the trial so far.


I usually avoid Op/eds like the plague, but it's a slow Monday.

And having read it, I have to say, thanks for posting it. It's probably the most reasonable assessment of the trial I've read to date.
 
2013-07-01 09:23:03 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Zimmerman walks (which I think he should) does that prevent the Martin's from claiming wrongful death in a civil trail. Being it would be considered self-defense? If they can't can he sue for defamation of character?


Not at all. It's possible to sue someone for a crime for which the defendant has been exonerated in a criminal trial.
 
2013-07-01 09:24:01 AM
I hope it will be a consensus, that is the only way its real science
 
2013-07-01 09:28:04 AM
heili skrimsli

>>> s2s2s2: Trayvon Martin's Stepmother Speaks Out: I Don't Think
>>> Zimmerman 'Picked Him Out Because He Was Black'

So, how long after this trial wraps up do you figure before they're divorced?
She won't ditch him till the civil case is as dead as the thug that started this mess. There be moneys to grab.
 
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