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(CNN)   Jimmy Carter: "Paula Deen should be forgiven." Apparently, Carter has his sights set on winning a second Nobel Peace Prize   (cnn.com) divider line 18
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2013-07-01 10:09:34 AM
5 votes:
Anyone else forget that the trial isn't about "Paula Deen said the n-word", but "Paula Deen and her brother systematically violated employment laws, while abusing and assaulting their staff, all the while demonstrating a clear racial bias in both policy and action, over a lengthy period of time?"

Focus on the fact that she mentioned that she said the n-word 30 years ago, and feel free to argue about that, but keep in mind that the stuff alleged in the complaint happened less than three ago. It's not ancient history, and, yes, we could forgive her for using the n-word 30 years ago. The complaint alleges that she used it 3 years ago - and that she condoned her brother's actions, at some of which she was present, when her brother would scream at African-American staff members, grab and shake them, threaten them, treat them like servants, tell off-color racially and sexually inappropriate jokes. Sometimes, she'd participate in those actions. The woman who filed the complaint isn't the only witness being called, as several other former employees are now involved, too, so it's not a "he said, she said" case, nor is it extortion - both of which have been alleged by her defense.

Her partners aren't dropping her for saying the n-word 30 years ago. Her partners are dropping her because, in one of her restaurants, she condoned and participated in systematic violations of employment laws, while abusing and assaulting their staff, all the while demonstrating a clear racial bias in both policy and action, over a lengthy period of time.

Simply put, she's damaged goods, and has yet to demonstrate any form of contrition other than her pseudo-apologies.  The only 'change' she's apparently performed over the last three decadesis learning to keep her mouth less open.
2013-07-01 11:41:33 AM
4 votes:

limeyfellow: The lesson here is if you are going to do something embarrassing, don't do it while your viewing figures on TV has collapsed and your product sales are a fraction of what they used to be, as it is a great way of voiding your contracts, without the other businesses getting in trouble and sued when they want rid of you.


Yup, esp. considering how long it took some of her sponsors to decide.
If it was only because of their outrage it would've been immediate.
As it was those sponsers were just waiting to see how the wind blew (& checking their numbers) before deciding whether or not to be outraged...

But also I honestly can't understand how some people think. For example, folks in MA not only let Ted Kennedy avoid jail time after HE LEFT A WOMAN TO DIE, he also ended up having a long term in the Senate.
Meanwhile a woman like Tonya Harding is still vilified for being an accessory to a knee-whacking?

So, I'm not a Paula or a Tonya fan, but honestly - if people can forgive guys like Ted, or Mike Tyson (who was jailed for rape -and- bit a guys ear off) why are some women never forgiven much lesser crimes?

/soapboxing day
2013-07-01 09:15:51 AM
4 votes:

EvilEgg: As an old southern gentleman, he probably knows a thing or two about being a reformed racist.


He also seems to be one of those Christians who actually seemed to have learned the right lessons from Jesus's teachings.
2013-07-01 09:41:09 AM
2 votes:

ecl: bborchar: I don't like her, but I seriously don't see what the uproar is about.  My great-grandmother grew up in Kentucky, and the stuff Paula Deen said doesn't hold a candle to the things she said.

/like "If you date a black man, I will disown you and you will burn in hell" then went on to describe what hell was like
//why yes, she was Southern Baptist, how did you ever guess?
///she was 92 when she died, and we all felt that was about 50 years too late

Because Paula isn't the *worst* she's not bad at all.  Good logic.


Feel free to reread what I said for reading comprehension.   Athletes get away with murder (literally), other actors and famous people have said much more awful things than her, yet still get jobs (Mel Gibson, anyone?).  She says something that's definitely not good, and everyone starts treating her like Sandusky.  It's an overreaction, plain and simple.
2013-07-01 09:40:41 AM
2 votes:

limeyfellow: The lesson here is if you are going to do something embarrassing, don't do it while your viewing figures on TV has collapsed and your product sales are a fraction of what they used to be, as it is a great way of voiding your contracts, without the other businesses getting in trouble and sued when they want rid of you.


The real lesson here is NEVER TELL THE TRUTH.  No matter what.  Deny everything.  Nothing ever happened.  I never did, man.

/I saw you with that other woman!
//Wasn't me.
///I know it was you!  I *saw* you!
////Hey....wasn't me.
//Well maybe it wasn't you.....
2013-07-01 09:22:29 AM
2 votes:
I don't like her, but I seriously don't see what the uproar is about.  My great-grandmother grew up in Kentucky, and the stuff Paula Deen said doesn't hold a candle to the things she said.

/like "If you date a black man, I will disown you and you will burn in hell" then went on to describe what hell was like
//why yes, she was Southern Baptist, how did you ever guess?
///she was 92 when she died, and we all felt that was about 50 years too late
2013-07-01 04:19:41 PM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Anyone else forget that the trial isn't about "Paula Deen said the n-word", but "Paula Deen and her brother systematically violated employment laws, while abusing and assaulting their staff, all the while demonstrating a clear racial bias in both policy and action, over a lengthy period of time?"

Focus on the fact that she mentioned that she said the n-word 30 years ago, and feel free to argue about that, but keep in mind that the stuff alleged in the complaint happened less than three ago. It's not ancient history, and, yes, we could forgive her for using the n-word 30 years ago. The complaint alleges that she used it 3 years ago - and that she condoned her brother's actions, at some of which she was present, when her brother would scream at African-American staff members, grab and shake them, threaten them, treat them like servants, tell off-color racially and sexually inappropriate jokes. Sometimes, she'd participate in those actions. The woman who filed the complaint isn't the only witness being called, as several other former employees are now involved, too, so it's not a "he said, she said" case, nor is it extortion - both of which have been alleged by her defense.

Her partners aren't dropping her for saying the n-word 30 years ago. Her partners are dropping her because, in one of her restaurants, she condoned and participated in systematic violations of employment laws, while abusing and assaulting their staff, all the while demonstrating a clear racial bias in both policy and action, over a lengthy period of time.

Simply put, she's damaged goods, and has yet to demonstrate any form of contrition other than her pseudo-apologies.  The only 'change' she's apparently performed over the last three decadesis learning to keep her mouth less open.


So much this. I could care less about her dropping an N-bomb in the past. It's the rest of what she's up to that disturbs me.
2013-07-01 01:37:49 PM
1 votes:
I cannot forgive her because I never gave a shiat in the first place. If her TV show and books are being dropped, that's someone's business decision and, again, not my shiat to give. If you've pondered this non-issue for more than a minute, you have taken the position of loser.
2013-07-01 01:04:42 PM
1 votes:
My rule of thumb is that white men don't have permission to tell non-white people that they need to forgive a white person for doing something racist. So sorry Jimmy, you've done a lot of good things but you don't get to decide when this story is over. The offense wasn't against you so you don't get to decide when all is forgiven.
2013-07-01 12:18:30 PM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Anyone else forget that the trial isn't about "Paula Deen said the n-word", but "Paula Deen and her brother systematically violated employment laws, while abusing and assaulting their staff, all the while demonstrating a clear racial bias in both policy and action, over a lengthy period of time?"

Focus on the fact that she mentioned that she said the n-word 30 years ago, and feel free to argue about that, but keep in mind that the stuff alleged in the complaint happened less than three ago. It's not ancient history, and, yes, we could forgive her for using the n-word 30 years ago. The complaint alleges that she used it 3 years ago - and that she condoned her brother's actions, at some of which she was present, when her brother would scream at African-American staff members, grab and shake them, threaten them, treat them like servants, tell off-color racially and sexually inappropriate jokes. Sometimes, she'd participate in those actions. The woman who filed the complaint isn't the only witness being called, as several other former employees are now involved, too, so it's not a "he said, she said" case, nor is it extortion - both of which have been alleged by her defense.

Her partners aren't dropping her for saying the n-word 30 years ago. Her partners are dropping her because, in one of her restaurants, she condoned and participated in systematic violations of employment laws, while abusing and assaulting their staff, all the while demonstrating a clear racial bias in both policy and action, over a lengthy period of time.

Simply put, she's damaged goods, and has yet to demonstrate any form of contrition other than her pseudo-apologies.  The only 'change' she's apparently performed over the last three decadesis learning to keep her mouth less open.


Thank you!  THIS is what I've been telling my friends who try to defend her...read the complaints.   It's more than uttering a bad word.
2013-07-01 10:58:43 AM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Simply put, she's damaged goods, and has yet to demonstrate any form of contrition other than her pseudo-apologies. The only 'change' she's apparently performed over the last three decadesis learning to keep her mouth less open.


A good distillation; people are way over-focused on the bygones of the story and in that is lost the current problems that are the root of the employment lawsuit against her.  Nobody can sue someone for calling them a racist epithet 30 years after the fact; she's being sued (along with her brother) for still being unethical employers.

And she was cooling, if not cold product before then.
2013-07-01 10:48:10 AM
1 votes:

bborchar: My great-grandmother grew up in Kentucky, and the stuff Paula Deen said doesn't hold a candle to the things she said.


Is your great-grandmother a millionaire who whines about not having a cable cooking show and millions in endorsement deals?
2013-07-01 09:50:17 AM
1 votes:
Most of her defenders hate Jimmy Carter. Paula Deen is a horrible person who makes horrible food that slow kills people including herself. That a horrible person had dreams of having a slave owners wedding her entire life and decided to make that happen is not surprising. What is surprising is how many people admit to having this same dream. Thanks 0bama.
2013-07-01 09:46:45 AM
1 votes:
I really prefer that she just be forgotten.
2013-07-01 09:42:42 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: Mad_Radhu: He also seems to be one of those Christians who actually seemed to have learned the right lessons from Jesus's teachings.

Perhaps so - when he takes on apolitical projects like guinea-worm eradication and Habitat for Humanity he does tremendous work...but when he involves himself in foreign policy he's a mess. For a supposed human rights leader he sure does have an unerring instinct for gravitating to the nastiest dictator in the room.


Carter always sees the best in people and that's a terrible trait in someone involved in world politics.
2013-07-01 09:21:55 AM
1 votes:

Spanky McStupid: Paula Dean needs to stop grovelling - it's embarrassing.


Grovelling.  On all fours.  Smothered in melted butter.  Pleading for forgiveness.

Why couldn't Giada have been the racist?
2013-07-01 09:08:13 AM
1 votes:
Paula Dean needs to stop grovelling - it's embarrassing.
2013-07-01 08:39:28 AM
1 votes:
As an old southern gentleman, he probably knows a thing or two about being a reformed racist.
 
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