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(Global Geopolitics)   What to expect should France's modern day Joan of Arc wins the next election: The Euro will cease to exist, the restoration of the French Franc and a return of the sovereign white flag   (glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com) divider line 40
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2013-07-01 07:35:43 AM  
"The euro ceases to exist the moment that France leaves, and that is our incredible strength. What are they going to do, send in tanks?"

Errr...
 
2013-07-01 07:37:53 AM  
as England laughs from across the strait.
 
2013-07-01 07:48:29 AM  
Will she ride through the streets on a horse, naked?
 
2013-07-01 08:31:19 AM  
This is the racist, right?
 
2013-07-01 08:31:47 AM  
Sorry honey, it's not the eighteenth century any longer.
 
2013-07-01 08:35:41 AM  
What are they going to do, send in tanks?

Well...maybe.
 
2013-07-01 08:38:18 AM  
No, no, no subby. This means France will be the next superpower. Rule 1: France can only lose when led by a Frenchman.
 
2013-07-01 08:44:10 AM  
Why not just link to the original article, not some Frankenstein chop-job of it on your blog?

At any rate, nationalism is always ugly.
 
2013-07-01 08:48:27 AM  
The euro is a failed experiment.  The exit will be painful, but the sooner it happens the better it will be long term.
 
2013-07-01 08:54:13 AM  

DamnYankees: This is the racist, right?


Pretty much. They've tried to pretty themselves up, though.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:43 AM  
When  Marine Le Pen visited the US in 2011, the two "politicians" she met with were Joe Walsh and Ron Paul.  That should tell you the level of reality she and her party are working on.
 
2013-07-01 09:08:24 AM  

Earguy: Will she ride through the streets on a horse, naked?


That was Anne Boleyn who only did it to protest Agincourt
 
2013-07-01 09:10:06 AM  

Cheron: Earguy: Will she ride through the streets on a horse, naked?

That was Anne Boleyn who only did it to protest Agincourt


Man, those crazy Muslims.
 
2013-07-01 09:12:28 AM  

Cheron: Earguy: Will she ride through the streets on a horse, naked?

That was Anne Boleyn who only did it to protest Agincourt


No, you're thinking of Marie Curie. Anne Boleyn was the one who hid in the attic.
 
2013-07-01 09:19:39 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Cheron: Earguy: Will she ride through the streets on a horse, naked?

That was Anne Boleyn who only did it to protest Agincourt

No, you're thinking of Marie Curie. Anne Boleyn was the one who hid in the attic.


No, you're thinking of Marie Antoinette.  Marie Curie was a stripper who spied for the Germans in WW1.
 
2013-07-01 09:22:10 AM  

imontheinternet: The euro is a failed experiment.  The exit will be painful, but the sooner it happens the better it will be long term.


John Kerry basically ran on the premise that America needs to be more like Europe.
 
2013-07-01 09:23:43 AM  

Nemo's Brother: imontheinternet: The euro is a failed experiment.  The exit will be painful, but the sooner it happens the better it will be long term.

John Kerry basically ran on the premise that America needs to be more like Europe.


Yeah, that's what he did.
 
2013-07-01 09:24:54 AM  
Marine Le Pen is a "modern day Joan of Arc"?  I didn't know Joan of Arc was a racist nutbag who did nothing but share her father's famous surname.
 
2013-07-01 09:31:09 AM  
The problem with Europe is that poorer countries can't operate using such a high-valued currency, so they fall deeply into debt.  Germany and the banks use that debt as leverage to subvert their national sovereignty and impose austerity measures, which drive the poor country deeper into recession, compounding the debt problem.  Though the nationalists and Le Pen are a bit crazy, they're right that a country isn't really sovereign if it doesn't control its currency.

Nemo's Brother: imontheinternet: The euro is a failed experiment.  The exit will be painful, but the sooner it happens the better it will be long term.

John Kerry basically ran on the premise that America needs to be more like Europe.


I'm not sure about that.  I don't think any major candidate ever seriously supported a North American Union.  Kerry may have paid some lip service to exploring the idea or something like that, but I don't believe he ever supported it.
 
2013-07-01 09:33:38 AM  
Cue bagpipes
 
2013-07-01 09:46:22 AM  
Ah the old white flag cannard.

Mon centre cède, ma droite recule, situation excellente, j'attaque. - Ferdinand Foq, at the Battle of the Marne.
 
2013-07-01 10:05:20 AM  

imontheinternet: The euro is a failed experiment.  The exit will be painful, but the sooner it happens the better it will be long term.


I wouldn't say that. IMO the EU has two options; abandon the euro or more forward to full federation with a centralized economy. Personally, I'd choose federation.
 
2013-07-01 10:11:20 AM  

CheatCommando: Ah the old white flag cannard.


Yeah. Subby sounds teabagger.

/Marine Le Pen ... a modern day Jean d'Arc? really?
 
2013-07-01 10:13:19 AM  

Uncle Tractor: CheatCommando: Ah the old white flag cannard.

Yeah. Subby sounds teabagger.

/Marine Le Pen ... a modern day Jean d'Arc? really?


Didn't read the original article's headline, did ya?
 
2013-07-01 10:14:10 AM  

Uncle Tractor: imontheinternet: The euro is a failed experiment.  The exit will be painful, but the sooner it happens the better it will be long term.

I wouldn't say that. IMO the EU has two options; abandon the euro or more forward to full federation with a centralized economy. Personally, I'd choose federation.


A European empire under German rule?  That seems familiar somehow....
 
2013-07-01 10:44:52 AM  

imontheinternet: Uncle Tractor: imontheinternet: The euro is a failed experiment.  The exit will be painful, but the sooner it happens the better it will be long term.

I wouldn't say that. IMO the EU has two options; abandon the euro or more forward to full federation with a centralized economy. Personally, I'd choose federation.

A European empire under German rule?  That seems familiar somehow....


The next German invasion of France will be led by accountants though
 
2013-07-01 10:54:58 AM  
FTFA- It is hard know whether the French people would ever vote en masse for an all-out clash with Europe, let alone for her Jeanne d'Arc messianism.

Well, it's not like they haven't before... oh, it's been a little while, but the French remember...
 
2013-07-01 11:11:17 AM  
The sovereign white flag

*sigh*

Yep you guys sure saved the French bacon in World War II, and of course there was that time you showed 3 years late to a 4 year war...so thanks for that.

Of course, if it wasn't for the French subby'd probably be typing out his witty headlines under the Union Jack or ... whatever you call the Spanish flag.

Maybe you should look up a history book and then just call it even.
 
2013-07-01 11:48:00 AM  

ReluctantPaladin: The sovereign white flag

*sigh*

Yep you guys sure saved the French bacon in World War II, and of course there was that time you showed 3 years late to a 4 year war...so thanks for that.

Of course, if it wasn't for the French subby'd probably be typing out his witty headlines under the Union Jack or ... whatever you call the Spanish flag.

Maybe you should look up a history book and then just call it even.


Yeah, it's not like the French (and Spanish, BTW, lest we forget) had anything but the most altruistic motives for intervening in our revolution.  As I recall, that was but one episode in a very loooon struggle for supremacy between France, England, and Spain (and eventually all the other european nations).  With England committing too much of its overextended army into America, Franch had caught England in an exposed position.  As soon as they were sure (due to our success at Saratoga) we could keep England's army engaged here, they attacked.
 
2013-07-01 12:58:29 PM  
What that sovereign white flag might look like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-01 01:00:06 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Yeah, it's not like the French (and Spanish, BTW, lest we forget) had anything but the most altruistic motives for intervening in our revolution.


You also should remember then that there was a large faction after Pearl Harbor that wanted war only with the Japanese Empire, not the Third Reich. Then Hitler went and declared war on us, so the decision was made for them. We did not jump headfirst into a war with Germany, despite Roosevelt's clear understanding that they were the greater threat.
 
2013-07-01 01:00:52 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: What that sovereign white flag might look like:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x527]


Also the final flag of the Confederacy.
 
2013-07-01 02:20:36 PM  

CheatCommando: Galloping Galoshes: Yeah, it's not like the French (and Spanish, BTW, lest we forget) had anything but the most altruistic motives for intervening in our revolution.

You also should remember then that there was a large faction after Pearl Harbor that wanted war only with the Japanese Empire, not the Third Reich. Then Hitler went and declared war on us, so the decision was made for them. We did not jump headfirst into a war with Germany, despite Roosevelt's clear understanding that they were the greater threat.


I have not forgotten.  On the other hand, knowing Rooseveldt, had Hitler not been so obliging, I'm sure a way would have been found.
 
2013-07-01 02:24:19 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: ReluctantPaladin: The sovereign white flag

*sigh*

Yep you guys sure saved the French bacon in World War II, and of course there was that time you showed 3 years late to a 4 year war...so thanks for that.

Of course, if it wasn't for the French subby'd probably be typing out his witty headlines under the Union Jack or ... whatever you call the Spanish flag.

Maybe you should look up a history book and then just call it even.

Yeah, it's not like the French (and Spanish, BTW, lest we forget) had anything but the most altruistic motives for intervening in our revolution.  As I recall, that was but one episode in a very loooon struggle for supremacy between France, England, and Spain (and eventually all the other european nations).  With England committing too much of its overextended army into America, Franch had caught England in an exposed position.  As soon as they were sure (due to our success at Saratoga) we could keep England's army engaged here, they attacked.


All international relations is based on self interest.

And I would wager that the mingling of ideals between the French and the Revolutionairies ultimately improved the paths of both nations.
 
2013-07-01 02:40:03 PM  

ReluctantPaladin: All international relations is based on self interest.


Really? The US's international relations during the Carter years were based in ethics rather than self interest.  Worked out real well.  Also, current US international relations don't seem to be based in the nation's self interest, either.  Britain's relations with the US during the Revolutionary War period weren't based on that nation's self interest, they managed to turn a request for limited self government into the loss of a strategic colong.
 
2013-07-01 02:57:42 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: CheatCommando: Galloping Galoshes: Yeah, it's not like the French (and Spanish, BTW, lest we forget) had anything but the most altruistic motives for intervening in our revolution.

You also should remember then that there was a large faction after Pearl Harbor that wanted war only with the Japanese Empire, not the Third Reich. Then Hitler went and declared war on us, so the decision was made for them. We did not jump headfirst into a war with Germany, despite Roosevelt's clear understanding that they were the greater threat.

I have not forgotten.  On the other hand, knowing Rooseveldt, had Hitler not been so obliging, I'm sure a way would have been found.


Then why introduce the hagiographic idea that we were involved in Europe for altruistic, not self-serving reasons?
 
2013-07-01 06:27:13 PM  
Europe needs to look towards the United States. A strong federal government that can move funding where it is necessary is the best way to have a financially stable group of countries/states.
 
2013-07-01 06:51:34 PM  
You mean this?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-01 07:56:39 PM  

The Third Man: Marine Le Pen is a "modern day Joan of Arc"?  I didn't know Joan of Arc was a racist nutbag who did nothing but share her father's famous surname.


That's not fair. Her father is a racist nutbag as well.
 
2013-07-01 08:47:11 PM  

The Third Man: Marine Le Pen is a "modern day Joan of Arc"?  I didn't know Joan of Arc was a racist nutbag who did nothing but share her father's famous surname.


You may want to read up on Jeanne d'Arc again. She wasn't a cleric casting holy magic at demons, she lead armies against England so France could be independent and not part of an empire.
So yes, in this situation you could get creative and say there are some similarities here.
 
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