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(ESPN)   After only 26 games in the majors, can Yasiel Puig be considered an All-Star? YES HE CAN YOU IDIOTS HE'S FARKING ROCKING THE LIVING SHIAT OUT OF THE DAMNED BASEBALL IN A WAY NOT SEEN SINCE BABE RUTH   (espn.go.com ) divider line 84
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2013-07-01 07:42:42 AM  
Yes, but "Where have you gone, Yasiel Puig, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you" just doesn't have the same poetic or musical aesthetics as the original.
 
2013-07-01 08:04:39 AM  
So a mlb player's agent got a green, that's nice. That or subby's got a perma boner for a dodger. Swinging a bat is not curing cancer, or banging Marilyn Monroe.
 
2013-07-01 08:13:38 AM  
OMG!  Someone's having a breakout year.  that's NEVER happened before!
 
2013-07-01 08:30:53 AM  
It seems to me that everyone who says that Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star lobbied for Mike Trout for MVP last year...
 
2013-07-01 08:34:06 AM  
People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue.  You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record.
 
2013-07-01 08:35:09 AM  
There's a simple answer to this question:

If he's really this good he'll earn his share of future All-Star spots.
 
2013-07-01 08:39:01 AM  

InfrasonicTom: People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue.  You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record.


Roger Maris is still the legitimate record holder. So is Hank Aaron.

/Deal with it
 
2013-07-01 08:40:33 AM  

IlGreven: It seems to me that everyone who says that Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star lobbied for Mike Trout for MVP last year...


Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star; Mike Trout had an exceptional year last year that was just barely less valuable than Miguel Cabrera.
 
2013-07-01 08:41:53 AM  
I'll accept him as an all-star if he changes his name to something that doesn't make me want to vomit every time I say it. I mean no offense to the guy, but his name just sounds really nasty.

Also, one month in the majors is too short.
 
2013-07-01 08:45:33 AM  

InfrasonicTom: People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue. You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record


Hold on, what's wrong with that?
 
2013-07-01 08:48:41 AM  

PreMortem: So a mlb player's agent got a green, that's nice. That or subby's got a perma boner for a dodger. Swinging a bat is not curing cancer, or banging Marilyn Monroe.


Babe Ruth was the player that cured cancer and did Marilyn Monroe? I thought that was Barry Bonds...
 
2013-07-01 08:48:57 AM  
It's the fans game.  He's in.
 
2013-07-01 08:49:48 AM  
Vernon Wells had a tremendous month of April...
 
2013-07-01 08:50:14 AM  

Jakesta: PreMortem: So a mlb player's agent got a green, that's nice. That or subby's got a perma boner for a dodger. Swinging a bat is not curing cancer, or banging Marilyn Monroe.

Babe Ruth was the player that cured cancer and did Marilyn Monroe? I thought that was Barry Bonds...


But Bonds cheated because Monroe was already dead at the time...
 
2013-07-01 09:00:40 AM  

meanmutton: IlGreven: It seems to me that everyone who says that Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star lobbied for Mike Trout for MVP last year...

Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star; Mike Trout had an exceptional year last year that was just barely less valuable than Miguel Cabrera.


Hitting .440 in your first 100 AB's isn't exceptional?
 
2013-07-01 09:01:53 AM  

InfrasonicTom: People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue.  You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record.


How the hell is Chris Davis' nickname "Crush" instead of "Crash"????

/Breathing through my eyelids to calm down over that one...
 
2013-07-01 09:02:43 AM  
Why is this a debate if its based on fan vote?
 
2013-07-01 09:04:20 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's the fans game.  He's in.


Exactly.  The All-star game is an exhibition.

People say that the home-field advantage for the WS "makes it count", but if that were true, the managers would play to win.  Playing to win doesn't mean making sure everyone gets a turn, your best starter leaves after 3 or 6 outs, etc.  Instead, they play so that people can see the game's stars square off.

Puig has as much fan attention as any player in baseball right now.  He's a toolsy, athletic guy that's fun to watch in a Bo-Jackson-that-can-hit-better kind of way.  Putting him in will make the game more exciting.  That's the only real consideration.

PreMortem: That or subby's got a perma boner for a dodger. Swinging a bat is not curing cancer


Hurr.  It's about who plays in a sports exhibition.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:53 AM  

IlGreven: meanmutton: IlGreven: It seems to me that everyone who says that Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star lobbied for Mike Trout for MVP last year...

Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star; Mike Trout had an exceptional year last year that was just barely less valuable than Miguel Cabrera.

Hitting .440 in your first 100 AB's isn't exceptional?


I don't think any is saying that.  It is, however, not enough time for anyone to get a judge on how good of a player he is, how deserving he is to go, etc.
 
2013-07-01 09:14:54 AM  

IlGreven: meanmutton: IlGreven: It seems to me that everyone who says that Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star lobbied for Mike Trout for MVP last year...

Yasiel Puig isn't an All-Star; Mike Trout had an exceptional year last year that was just barely less valuable than Miguel Cabrera.

Hitting .440 in your first 100 AB's isn't exceptional?


Lets see how his next 100 AB's go after pitchers have time to learn his weaknesses and start pitching to them. Lets see if he can adjust and still do it.

But as far as him being an All-Star, if the fans vote him in they vote him in. I doubt he will get picked as an alternate though.
 
2013-07-01 09:17:33 AM  

InfrasonicTom: People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue.  You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record.


There's actually a lot of similarity there.  Both guys got to the bigs at age 22 and had a solid half-season or so.  They then underperformed, and got traded to a new team.  There, they had an age-25 season where they broke out (.270/.326/.501 with 33 HR for Davis, .283/.371/.581 with 39 HR for Maris).  Then at age 26, they went bananas and some guy most casual fans hadn't heard of crushed a ton of homers.

Hopefully Davis has a better second act than Maris, who got derailed by injuries.
 
2013-07-01 09:20:48 AM  

PreMortem: So a mlb player's agent got a green, that's nice. That or subby's got a perma boner for a dodger. Swinging a bat is not curing cancer, or banging Marilyn Monroe.


So brave....
 
2013-07-01 09:22:16 AM  
The All-Star game is not, and should not be, based on statistics. It is for the most popular players from the first half of the season, a category Puig easily falls into.
 
2013-07-01 09:25:27 AM  

Jakesta: The All-Star game is not, and should not be, based on statistics. It is for the most popular players from the first half of the season, a category Puig easily falls into.


NOOO!!!!

BABIPWAR!
 
2013-07-01 09:31:00 AM  
Kevin Maas
 
2013-07-01 09:32:13 AM  

ongbok: Lets see how his next 100 AB's go after pitchers have time to learn his weaknesses and start pitching to them. Lets see if he can adjust and still do it.


Ah, the "learn his weaknesses " argument. As if there are no scouts at games other than the actual MLB games.
 
2013-07-01 09:32:18 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Kevin Maas


Steven Decker
 
2013-07-01 09:34:03 AM  

xanadian: Yes, but "Where have you gone, Yasiel Puig, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you" just doesn't have the same poetic or musical aesthetics as the original.


Paul Simon originally intended to use Mickey Mantle's name in that spot in the song but had to change it to Joe Dimaggio, which had superior "musical aesthetics" in that verse.
 
2013-07-01 09:34:45 AM  

skrame: Ah, the "learn his weaknesses " argument. As if there are no scouts at games other than the actual MLB games.


I sorta doubt Cuba is a MLB scouting hotbed.
 
2013-07-01 09:38:47 AM  

skrame: ongbok: Lets see how his next 100 AB's go after pitchers have time to learn his weaknesses and start pitching to them. Lets see if he can adjust and still do it.

Ah, the "learn his weaknesses " argument. As if there are no scouts at games other than the actual MLB games.


So do you think that the MLB teams scout every minor league prospect that may come up? No they don't. They don't have info on a player until he actually plays in the majors. The same thing has happened to many many players over the years, they start out hot and when teams get enough info on them they start learning to expose their weakness and exploit their tendencies. If a player is truly special they will learn to adjust. It's not an argument, it is a part of baseball.
 
2013-07-01 09:47:04 AM  
Jose Iglesias on the Red Sox was also batting right around .436 when he was at 100 ABs. In fact, now that he is at 132 ABs he is still batting .409 on the season. His BA for the month of June was .395 in 86 ABs with 9 SO (half the number of Puig's Ks). My goodness, sound the alarms! He's the next Ted Williams!
 
2013-07-01 09:49:22 AM  

cettin: Jakesta: PreMortem: So a mlb player's agent got a green, that's nice. That or subby's got a perma boner for a dodger. Swinging a bat is not curing cancer, or banging Marilyn Monroe.

Babe Ruth was the player that cured cancer and did Marilyn Monroe? I thought that was Barry Bonds...

But Bonds cheated because Monroe was already dead at the time...


So Barry Bonds was only using steroids so he could dig up Marilyn Monroe faster?
 
2013-07-01 10:10:14 AM  
Chris Shelton called, he'd like an invite to the All-Star Game... or any game... or your kitchen, for a snack.
 
2013-07-01 10:12:21 AM  

skrame: ongbok: Lets see how his next 100 AB's go after pitchers have time to learn his weaknesses and start pitching to them. Lets see if he can adjust and still do it.

Ah, the "learn his weaknesses " argument. As if there are no scouts at games other than the actual MLB games.


You managed to pick the one player in all of MLB for whom your argument is least true.  Puig played all of 63 minor-league games before hitting MLB.  His 2012 stats were hot (.354/.442/.634), but he was doing it in rookie and A+ ball in desert leagues where everyone hits tons of homers, and not many scouts are watching.

Before that, Cuba, and there really are no MLB scouts at Cuban games.

WinoRhino: Jose Iglesias on the Red Sox was also batting right around .436 when he was at 100 ABs. In fact, now that he is at 132 ABs he is still batting .409 on the season. His BA for the month of June was .395 in 86 ABs with 9 SO (half the number of Puig's Ks). My goodness, sound the alarms! He's the next Ted Williams!


He's a case where the scouting would have had the reverse effect.  Career .257/.307/.314 minors line, projected as a defensive wizard who can run the bases and not completely embarrass himself at the plate.  Probably hit #8 and yield some PA to pinch hitters in key situations.  Your minor league scouting report probably read: "Amazing range and glove.  But just throw him strikes and let him ground out quietly."
 
2013-07-01 10:19:48 AM  

peachpicker: xanadian: Yes, but "Where have you gone, Yasiel Puig, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you" just doesn't have the same poetic or musical aesthetics as the original.

Paul Simon originally intended to use Mickey Mantle's name in that spot in the song but had to change it to Joe Dimaggio, which had superior "musical aesthetics" in that verse.


Huh.  I had assumed DiMaggio was chosen because his off-the-field reputation (not entirely deserved) was that he was a classy guy who was constantly tapped for endorsements because he had great on-screen charisma.

Mantle was the better ballplayer, but his reputation was "hard-drinking country-boy bumpkin".
 
2013-07-01 10:29:46 AM  

chimp_ninja: He's a case where the scouting would have had the reverse effect.  Career .257/.307/.314 minors line, projected as a defensive wizard who can run the bases and not completely embarrass himself at the plate.  Probably hit #8 and yield some PA to pinch hitters in key situations.  Your minor league scouting report probably read: "Amazing range and glove.  But just throw him strikes and let him ground out quietly."


Oh, for sure. Most Sox fans were tempering any expectations with regard to his ability at the plate coming into this year. But seriously, what better year to give him a full shot at it with there being no real expectations on the season? And then management signed Stephen Drew. So at least they're playing Iglesias at 3rd while another oft-injured Drew brother takes up a spot on the roster.
 
2013-07-01 10:48:18 AM  

chimp_ninja: Huh. I had assumed DiMaggio was chosen because his off-the-field reputation (not entirely deserved) was that he was a classy guy who was constantly tapped for endorsements because he had great on-screen charisma.

I'm sure the Dimaggio aura didn't hurt.

Some reference for the Mickey Mantle provenance.
 
2013-07-01 11:07:59 AM  

WinoRhino: Jose Iglesias on the Red Sox was also batting right around .436 when he was at 100 ABs. In fact, now that he is at 132 ABs he is still batting .409 on the season. His BA for the month of June was .395 in 86 ABs with 9 SO (half the number of Puig's Ks). My goodness, sound the alarms! He's the next Ted Williams!


Came here to mention this.  If we're going to go nuts for non-qualified batters, may as well throw him in the mix plus Iglesias is a more valuable defender to make up for his lower power numbers.
 
2013-07-01 11:13:00 AM  

louieloco: InfrasonicTom: People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue. You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record

Hold on, what's wrong with that?


I've bolded the answer.
 
2013-07-01 11:20:05 AM  
"♫ Where have you gone,Yasiel Puig? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo woo woo) ♫ "

Just doesn't. have that ring to it.
 
2013-07-01 11:24:21 AM  

xanadian: Yes, but "Where have you gone, Yasiel Puig, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you" just doesn't have the same poetic or musical aesthetics as the original.


I see you read myTwitter account,@Dodgers @MLB "♫ Where have you gone,Yasiel Puig? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo woo woo) ♫ "Just doesn't. have that ring to it.
 
2013-07-01 11:28:25 AM  
Wrong, subby.

The graveyard of baseball history is littered with players who rocked it for a month and then were never heard from again. Hitting .450 for a month is great, but not All-Star worthy. Get back to me next year.

/Dodger fan
 
2013-07-01 11:38:37 AM  
For some reason, I'm more in awe of Kershaw (7.1 innings per start, 2.08 ERA 0.96 WHIP) with a 6 and 5 record, and their last place standing, albeit only 4 games out of first place.
 
2013-07-01 11:43:16 AM  

benjo3686: InfrasonicTom: People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue.  You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record.

How the hell is Chris Davis' nickname "Crush" instead of "Crash"????

/Breathing through my eyelids to calm down over that one...


Because there was a real and a fictional "Crash" Davis already. Stop being such a "Crash" glutton.
 
2013-07-01 11:51:31 AM  

WTF Indeed: Roger Maris is still the legitimate record holder.*

 
2013-07-01 11:52:07 AM  

martin55: Wrong, subby.

The graveyard of baseball history is littered with players who rocked it for a month and then were never heard from again. Hitting .450 for a month is great, but not All-Star worthy. Get back to me next year.

/Dodger fan


Don't make me agree with a dodger fan.
 
2013-07-01 12:05:36 PM  

martin55: Wrong, subby.
 
The graveyard of baseball history is littered with players who rocked it for a month and then were never heard from again. Hitting .450 for a month is great, but not All-Star worthy. Get back to me next year.

/Dodger fan


How many games did Fernando pitch before his first all-star game?


ongbok: I doubt he will get picked as an alternate though.


Bochy would be doing himself a disservice.  You've got a young player who's popular, which MLB needs, and you've got a hot bat, which Bochy might want if the All-Star game has any sort of meaningful outcome.
 
2013-07-01 12:30:27 PM  

WTF Indeed: InfrasonicTom: People, let's calm down here and wait for the brilliance of Tim McCarver to guide us on the issue.  You know, the guy who on Saturday night was pondering if Chris Davis' HR pace could break Roger Maris' record.

Roger Maris is still the legitimate record holder. So is Hank Aaron.

/Deal with it


THIS. Thank you.
 
2013-07-01 12:34:07 PM  
Puig reminds me a lot of Vladimir Guerrero, great hitter and a bit of a bonehead on the bases and in the field with a rocket arm.
 
2013-07-01 12:38:28 PM  
But, can Puig win 20 games as a pitcher too?
 
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