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(KTVU Bay Area News)   Carmageddon 2 set to strike the bay area tomorrow. Principal Skinner surrenders   (ktvu.com) divider line 62
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2013-07-01 02:39:03 AM
Just for the record:  you can now get Carmageddon on iPhone.  No, really.

/get off my lawn
 
2013-07-01 03:05:09 AM
If there were more ferries in San Francisco, a lack of trains would never be a problem.
 
2013-07-01 07:31:01 AM

RoyBatty: If there were more ferries in San Francisco, a lack of trains would never be a problem.


I thought the whole town was nothing but .... wait, on 2nd thought no...
 
2013-07-01 07:46:08 AM
Working from home, I think. There's no way I want to go up there from San Jose & have some lunatic step in front of the Killtrain to disrupt that service as well. It's like a perfect recipe for Killtrain suicides right now, without the ability to go up/down the East Bay & link to Diridon or VTA Light Rail via the 181.
 
2013-07-01 07:48:47 AM

flucto: I thought the whole town was nothing but .... wait, on 2nd thought no...


Ferry boats? You mean, they have their own navy now?!?
 
2013-07-01 07:50:20 AM

Both the unions and management earlier in the day had said they were far apart on key sticking points including salary, pensions, health care and safety


I wonder why safety is last on that list.
 
2013-07-01 07:53:47 AM

HAMMERTOE: flucto: I thought the whole town was nothing but .... wait, on 2nd thought no...

Ferry boats? You mean, they have their own navy now?!?


THE Navy has been their navy for a long time.
 
2013-07-01 07:57:10 AM
Some CTA jobs here start off at $27 a hour, but our city is poor
/Only bad thing about it is if some arsehole decides to off him/herself using your train or bus
 
2013-07-01 07:57:22 AM
Frustrated commuters
s8.postimg.org
WHY YOU LITTLE....
 
2013-07-01 07:58:35 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: wonder why safety is last on that list.


Yeah.

Pay increase of 5% per annum, plus 2% COLA adjustment (so 7% each year, effectively ~22.5% pay increase over 3 years), and there's also the level of contribution to the pension (I think it's currently 100% paid by BART riders, with 0 contributions by BART staff).  I've seen some stuff about their health care coverage, but I don't necessarily begrudge them that compared to the salary.

Yeah, they've been on wage freeze, but so has everyone else. Demanding a 22.5% pay increase is IMO kind of excessive. I don't have a ton of sympathy there as a BART rider.
 
2013-07-01 07:59:16 AM

FrancoFile: HAMMERTOE: flucto: I thought the whole town was nothing but .... wait, on 2nd thought no...

Ferry boats? You mean, they have their own navy now?!?

THE Navy has been their navy for a long time.


Pretty sure the whole gay sailor thing is because of sanfran.
 
2013-07-01 07:59:53 AM
FTFA:  The unions, which represent nearly 2,400 train operators, station agents, mechanics, maintenance workers and professional staff, were asking for a 5 percent annual raise over the next three years.

PFFFFfffffchchchch...

No, but seriously, I can understand and even empathize with people wanting more money in their wallets, but when government is *shrinking*, do they really think they'll be able to get MORE money from government?  Especially 5% every year for the next 3 years.
 
2013-07-01 08:03:39 AM

xanadian: No, but seriously, I can understand and even empathize with people wanting more money in their wallets, but when government is *shrinking*, do they really think they'll be able to get MORE money from government? Especially 5% every year for the next 3 years.


It's 7% annually. 5% pay increase PLUS 2% cost of living adjustment. So almost 23% pay increase over the 3 years after you compound the 7% adjustment.

/it still too early in AM for me to deal with maffs & grammar & shiat.
 
2013-07-01 08:04:10 AM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Hello BART
Hello?
Hello? Is anyone there?
 
2013-07-01 08:06:13 AM
So this is how his political career started? :O Next thing you know, he's gonna become President.

media.cmgdigital.com
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-07-01 08:06:52 AM
I was in the war! I was in the war!
 
2013-07-01 08:07:53 AM

Twitch Boy: Just for the record:  you can now get Carmageddon on iPhone.  No, really.

/get off my lawn


Got it, now if they could just make a new PC version.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-07-01 08:08:18 AM
Of course, with that having been said, I wonder how much of a challenge it is to live in the Bay Area on only $71k a year (plus overtime)?
 
2013-07-01 08:13:49 AM
This is why I'm glad it's illegal for unions to go on strike in South Carolina

/refused to join union
//make better money because of it
 
2013-07-01 08:14:06 AM

xanadian: but when government is *shrinking*,


And when Leon is getting larger

....arguably not my best start this morning
 
2013-07-01 08:15:44 AM
Carmageddon 2 suffered from stupid time trials. It wasn't as good as the first or 3rd ones.
 
2013-07-01 08:24:56 AM

xanadian: FTFA:  The unions, which represent nearly 2,400 train operators, station agents, mechanics, maintenance workers and professional staff, were asking for a 5 percent annual raise over the next three years.

PFFFFfffffchchchch...

No, but seriously, I can understand and even empathize with people wanting more money in their wallets, but when government is *shrinking*, do they really think they'll be able to get MORE money from government?  Especially 5% every year for the next 3 years.


Federal workers haven't had pay raise one over the past 3 years.  I'm surprised these jokers haven't had someone go Ronald Reagan on them and fire their sorry asses.
 
2013-07-01 08:26:24 AM
Hurray BART employees holding us all hostage for their 20+% wage increase
 
2013-07-01 08:28:41 AM

Tom_Slick: Twitch Boy: Just for the record:  you can now get Carmageddon on iPhone.  No, really.

/get off my lawn

Got it, now if they could just make a new PC version.

[www.blogcdn.com image 530x328]


87a05d1ba1ec8bc0f3eb-38ef210a35abb062538448321993f98c.r44.cf3.rackcdn.com

Soon.
 
2013-07-01 08:33:39 AM
Principal Skinner surrenders

i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-01 08:37:39 AM

Spaced Lion: Principal Skinner surrenders

[i43.tinypic.com image 500x748]


What the hell is that? LOL
 
2013-07-01 08:42:04 AM
Oh man, Carmaggedon 2 was great.  And rocking out to Iron Maiden the whole time was the shiat!
 
2013-07-01 08:43:43 AM
$71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

Seriously, that job is one step above an amusement park ride operator - they have virtually NO control over the train, besides hitting a big red E-stop button.  They don't actually drive anything, they simply hit the 'door open' and 'door close' buttons (if that), and watch out the front.  A monkey could do it.  The entire train is otherwise computer controlled.

IIRC, there's not even a 'manual' mode on BART trains, other than a button to inch along at 10mph if everything else fails entirely.
 
2013-07-01 08:46:20 AM

PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

Seriously, that job is one step above an amusement park ride operator - they have virtually NO control over the train, besides hitting a big red E-stop button.  They don't actually drive anything, they simply hit the 'door open' and 'door close' buttons (if that), and watch out the front.  A monkey could do it.  The entire train is otherwise computer controlled.

IIRC, there's not even a 'manual' mode on BART trains, other than a button to inch along at 10mph if everything else fails entirely.


Well yeah but at least at the end they get to retire at 2x full pay on the Federal Railroad Workers pension plan, not that tiresome Social Security thingy.
 
2013-07-01 08:46:41 AM

Inigo: Tom_Slick: Twitch Boy: Just for the record:  you can now get Carmageddon on iPhone.  No, really.

/get off my lawn

Got it, now if they could just make a new PC version.

[www.blogcdn.com image 530x328]

[87a05d1ba1ec8bc0f3eb-38ef210a35abb062538448321993f98c.r44.cf3.rackcd n .com image 800x455]

Soon.


Sweet, I may have to dust off my game beta testing credentials from the early 90s (I actually beta tested the original and Dune 2 another game that deserves a reboot) and send them in.
 
2013-07-01 08:50:21 AM

PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!


You mean $87,000 a year after the 3-year pay increase kicks in, citizen.
 
2013-07-01 08:53:03 AM
legion_of_doo: PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

You mean $87,000 a year after the 3-year pay increase kicks in, citizen
comrade.

FTFY
 
2013-07-01 09:00:12 AM

xanadian: FTFA:  The unions, which represent nearly 2,400 train operators, station agents, mechanics, maintenance workers and professional staff, were asking for a 5 percent annual raise over the next three years.

PFFFFfffffchchchch...

No, but seriously, I can understand and even empathize with people wanting more money in their wallets, but when government is *shrinking*, do they really think they'll be able to get MORE money from government?  Especially 5% every year for the next 3 years.


Maybe not the full 7%, but I have no doubt that they'll get close.
 
2013-07-01 09:28:18 AM
I'm slow, I don't get the Simpsons reference in the headline. Can someone explain it to me?

/closest I can think of is when Skinner took over driving the bus from Otto
 
2013-07-01 09:34:33 AM
Smithers!  Get me some strike breakers!  Like they had in the 20s!
 
2013-07-01 09:43:18 AM

legion_of_doo: Working from home, I think. There's no way I want to go up there from San Jose & have some lunatic step in front of the Killtrain to disrupt that service as well. It's like a perfect recipe for Killtrain suicides right now, without the ability to go up/down the East Bay & link to Diridon or VTA Light Rail via the 181.


FAKE.
 
2013-07-01 09:44:35 AM

Electrify


I'm slow, I don't get the Simpsons reference in the headline. Can someone explain it to me?


RTFA.
 
2013-07-01 09:59:26 AM

lohphat: legion_of_doo: Working from home, I think. There's no way I want to go up there from San Jose & have some lunatic step in front of the Killtrain to disrupt that service as well. It's like a perfect recipe for Killtrain suicides right now, without the ability to go up/down the East Bay & link to Diridon or VTA Light Rail via the 181.

FAKE.


http://www.vta.org/schedules/SC_181.html

It's our bridge between San Jose & the Fremont BART station until they actually build the extension to Diridon.
 
2013-07-01 10:08:09 AM

PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

Seriously, that job is one step above an amusement park ride operator - they have virtually NO control over the train, besides hitting a big red E-stop button.  They don't actually drive anything, they simply hit the 'door open' and 'door close' buttons (if that), and watch out the front.  A monkey could do it.



But the good ones do funny voices when announcing stations!
 
2013-07-01 10:15:49 AM

PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

Seriously, that job is one step above an amusement park ride operator - they have virtually NO control over the train, besides hitting a big red E-stop button.  They don't actually drive anything, they simply hit the 'door open' and 'door close' buttons (if that), and watch out the front.  A monkey could do it.  The entire train is otherwise computer controlled.

IIRC, there's not even a 'manual' mode on BART trains, other than a button to inch along at 10mph if everything else fails entirely.


They are also responsible for hitting the marks in the train station to stop at the right location. It's always fun to see them miss it and then you have to run to get to the last car.
 
2013-07-01 10:20:50 AM

Vitamin Pb: They are also responsible for hitting the marks in the train station to stop at the right location. It's always fun to see them miss it and then you have to run to get to the last car.


They almost always seem to miss the marks at Daly City when heading northbound, for some reason.

"Please stand clear, I need to reposition the train..."
 
2013-07-01 11:18:38 AM

Harry Freakstorm: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 275x183]

Hello BART
Hello?
Hello? Is anyone there?


THE BART THE!
 
2013-07-01 11:25:54 AM
www.mobygames.com
Iron Maiden is due to make an appearance.
 
2013-07-01 11:39:41 AM

Vitamin Pb: PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

Seriously, that job is one step above an amusement park ride operator - they have virtually NO control over the train, besides hitting a big red E-stop button.  They don't actually drive anything, they simply hit the 'door open' and 'door close' buttons (if that), and watch out the front.  A monkey could do it.  The entire train is otherwise computer controlled.

IIRC, there's not even a 'manual' mode on BART trains, other than a button to inch along at 10mph if everything else fails entirely.

They are also responsible for hitting the marks in the train station to stop at the right location. It's always fun to see them miss it and then you have to run to get to the last car.


Actually, a train operator recently told me that they do not stop the train; it's the automated system that does it.
 
2013-07-01 11:49:20 AM
WTFARK..$71K BASE salary?? and they want a RAISE of that much????? GET REAL FOLK!!
 
2013-07-01 12:28:04 PM

WayneKerr: Vitamin Pb: PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

Seriously, that job is one step above an amusement park ride operator - they have virtually NO control over the train, besides hitting a big red E-stop button.  They don't actually drive anything, they simply hit the 'door open' and 'door close' buttons (if that), and watch out the front.  A monkey could do it.  The entire train is otherwise computer controlled.

IIRC, there's not even a 'manual' mode on BART trains, other than a button to inch along at 10mph if everything else fails entirely.

They are also responsible for hitting the marks in the train station to stop at the right location. It's always fun to see them miss it and then you have to run to get to the last car.

Actually, a train operator recently told me that they do not stop the train; it's the automated system that does it.


If Google can build a car that drives itself, why can't a frekin' TRAIN drive itself?

I understand $71K out there, it's got to be abut the equivalent of $20K in a flyover state with the cost of food and housing.
 
2013-07-01 12:32:21 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: If Google can build a car that drives itself, why can't a frekin' TRAIN drive itself?


List of driverless trains
 
2013-07-01 12:43:10 PM
My personal favorite driverless train: Paris Metro line 1

I lived in Paris just before they switched from the old cars to the open train where there are no doors between cars, it's one big cavernous vehicle (like your mom):

Old trains:
upload.wikimedia.org

New interiors:
www.ratp.fr

I think it tripled the capacity of the train by doing so.

It's cool to see down to the end of the train from the other end as it twists and turns.
 
2013-07-01 12:47:55 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: WayneKerr: Vitamin Pb: PsychoPhil: $71,000 a year for a BART train operator?!?!

Seriously, that job is one step above an amusement park ride operator - they have virtually NO control over the train, besides hitting a big red E-stop button.  They don't actually drive anything, they simply hit the 'door open' and 'door close' buttons (if that), and watch out the front.  A monkey could do it.  The entire train is otherwise computer controlled.

IIRC, there's not even a 'manual' mode on BART trains, other than a button to inch along at 10mph if everything else fails entirely.

They are also responsible for hitting the marks in the train station to stop at the right location. It's always fun to see them miss it and then you have to run to get to the last car.

Actually, a train operator recently told me that they do not stop the train; it's the automated system that does it.

If Google can build a car that drives itself, why can't a frekin' TRAIN drive itself?

I understand $71K out there, it's got to be abut the equivalent of $20K in a flyover state with the cost of food and housing.


it's pretty manageable.  you can get a decent 3 bedroom apartment in some parts of oakland for $2500 per month.  you can move east and live cheaper.  $71,000 is an easy salary to live on in the bay area.  most people in the bay area would be thrilled with that pay plus health and benefits.  if you have 3 kids and your spouse doesn't work, it may not be liveable.
 
2013-07-01 12:50:14 PM

lohphat: My personal favorite driverless train: Paris Metro line 1

I lived in Paris just before they switched from the old cars to the open train where there are no doors between cars, it's one big cavernous vehicle (like your mom):

Old trains:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x212]

New interiors:
[www.ratp.fr image 300x200]

I think it tripled the capacity of the train by doing so.

It's cool to see down to the end of the train from the other end as it twists and turns.



I wish they'd implement that on this next round of BART vehicles. Getting through those doors between cars for most of the length of the train, while lugging a carry-on, is a nightmare.
 
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