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(CNN)   Cirque du Soleil no longer scoffs at using safety nets   (cnn.com) divider line 93
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2013-07-01 08:20:12 AM
That's a shame.  CSB time, I saw someone at the renfest who performed there, can't recall his name but he used to work with Marcel Marceau.  He was a mime, and I never thought a mime could be in any way entertaining, I was oh so wrong!  Arsene Duprene or something like that was his name.
 
2013-07-01 08:27:28 AM

WillofJ2: suicide: WillofJ2: suicide: bighairyguy: She should track down Owen Hart and swap stories.

I dunno what she'd get out of it, really. He was never quite the showstopper she was.

did they continue that event when he died?

Yeah. The commentators told the TV audience what was up (hence the term "Owen voice" for the obviously uneasy and serious tone they used) but the people in attendance had no idea what happened.

Wow


Hey when you pay 80 bucks for a ticket, that's shiat is serious money to some
 
2013-07-01 08:35:55 AM

king of vegas: I have 3 tickets in my pocket right now for the Tuesday July 2 show. I guess I'll be getting a refund.



I'd say drop on by anyway, they might have a spot for you.

/too soon????
 
2013-07-01 08:37:14 AM

ransack.: jtown: Man, that's terrible.  I've seen most of their Vegas shows.  There are very few times I've spent nearly $200/seat for a show and walked out thinking it was worth every penny but that's what I paid for front row at O and, daaaayum.  Most other shows are crap after CdS.

You should visit the circus in Peru, Indiana, third week of July.



I just want to say that no one should ever go to Peru Indiana.  ...clowns.  farking clowns everywhere.
 
2013-07-01 08:39:14 AM
This sucks.  I always thought the Cirque shows were the kind of artsy fartsy stuff I couldn't watch without herbal assistance.

The wife and I saw Ka a couple years ago and I loved it.  It's full of martial arts, fire, amazing stunts and one big azz moving stage.  Hope they don't close the show down.
 
2013-07-01 08:52:13 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 30 years of shows with events happening around the world. It shocking it took this long.


Yea I'm kind of on that boat too. They should do everything they can to make it safe and injuries or deaths shouldn't just be acceptable. That said, they have how many performers working for them and how many deaths? There are other people who die cutting down trees, mining, working at a granary, cleaning your shiat water and nobody is saying 'SHUT IT DOWN!' to them.
 
2013-07-01 08:59:49 AM

akuma976: The wife and I saw Ka a couple years ago and I loved it.  It's full of martial arts, fire, amazing stunts and one big azz moving stage.  Hope they don't close the show down.


They did, and it will probably be permanent.  I'm sure they will tighten up on the safety for the other shows.

I've seen both Delerium and just recently, Quidam.  Delerium was a much better show, but I still enjoyed both.  Given that it's taken this long for a death to happen vs. the stunts they do, they seem to be doing pretty well trying to keep it as safe as possible.  When you're doing stunts as high as they are, you can only make it so safe and still call it a "death-defying show".

/if you want a net, go to the circus
//last "circus" I went to had acrobats attempting and failing stunts all the time; it was pretty pathetic
 
2013-07-01 09:13:36 AM
Ka is fantastic. Saw it twice. Hopefully they bring it back.

//Also surprised it took this long before someone got killed... Those tricks look brutal.
 
2013-07-01 09:16:32 AM
I saw Ka a few years back- it's possibly the most impressive stage ever built.  There are five moveable chunks- the main stage is 25x50 and rotates around every axis.  It switches between horizontal and vertical multiple times during the show. A fair number of the performers fall off of it (deliberately) while it's vertical: the fall's something over 50 feet down into the pit.

Amazing show: really sucks hearing about this
 
2013-07-01 09:25:01 AM

blue_2501: you can only make it so safe and still call it a "death-defying show".


I guess they have to remove that from the shows description now
 
2013-07-01 09:29:10 AM
Lesson learned, pay Tony Zucco his money.
 
2013-07-01 09:40:41 AM
Gravity = Sebulba
"He ALWAYS wins," -Watto
 
2013-07-01 09:45:24 AM
Turns out the wire supporting her snapped.
 
2013-07-01 09:46:46 AM

spidermilk: Yea I'm kind of on that boat too. They should do everything they can to make it safe and injuries or deaths shouldn't just be acceptable. That said, they have how many performers working for them and how many deaths? There are other people who die cutting down trees, mining, working at a granary, cleaning your shiat water and nobody is saying 'SHUT IT DOWN!' to them.


With thousands of performances of that show done (not to mention the hundreds of other show performed daily) and with the danger involved it's a credit that it has taken this long. Anyway they have to keep the shows going, what else would all those athletic bendy Baltic and Russian woman do?


On second thought they really need to shut that place down!! Public health and safety issue! Think of the children!!!
 
2013-07-01 09:49:24 AM
At least Mark Fisher wasn't alive to see this.
 
2013-07-01 10:17:51 AM

jtown: Man, that's terrible.  I've seen most of their Vegas shows.  There are very few times I've spent nearly $200/seat for a show and walked out thinking it was worth every penny but that's what I paid for front row at O and, daaaayum.  Most other shows are crap after CdS.


This!

There are some really crappy shows in Vegas but we paid like $175 per seat for Ka (and $20 each for a Margarita) and the show anyways was worth every penny. Truly original. Highest production values. Flawless execution. Visually stunning and perfect sound.

Same for Blue Man Group. Expensive tickets, but damn. Worth it.

Let's hear it for new, well done, original entertainment.

/bummer about the accident
 
2013-07-01 10:29:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: A Cirque friend is spamming up my FB feed with this story. Last year (to the day, apparently) he fell off the stage himself and broke several ribs.

The show isn't safe and as the stages get older, there are going to be many more accidents like this as the wires and hinges and welds weaken.

I've seen many of the Cirque shows, but I'd rather see them go out on top now than to see them slink away after another bunch of accidents.




Is this you?
www.independent.co.uk
 
2013-07-01 10:36:43 AM

karmachameleon: wellreadneck: The comments section reads like the Fark Politics's tab.

lol, you aren't kidding.  A classic example of, "Never read the bottom half of the internet".


I've never heard that, but now it's going to be my personal motto.

I've never seen any Cirque du Soleil shows but I admire their dedication to an entertainment that is never going to be perfectly safe.
 
2013-07-01 10:36:51 AM

Spad31: FTFA: "The cause of death had not been determined..."

How about gravity, falling and a sudden stop on the stage?


Maybe its just me, but it seems pretty obvious that she was killed by a grizzly bear.
 
2013-07-01 10:45:43 AM

StoPPeRmobile: AverageAmericanGuy: A Cirque friend is spamming up my FB feed with this story. Last year (to the day, apparently) he fell off the stage himself and broke several ribs.

The show isn't safe and as the stages get older, there are going to be many more accidents like this as the wires and hinges and welds weaken.

I've seen many of the Cirque shows, but I'd rather see them go out on top now than to see them slink away after another bunch of accidents.

Is this you?
[www.independent.co.uk image 460x552]


I'm not a corporate whore.
 
2013-07-01 10:46:46 AM

iron_city_ap: Spad31: FTFA: "The cause of death had not been determined..."

How about gravity, falling and a sudden stop on the stage?

Maybe its just me, but it seems pretty obvious that she was killed by a grizzly bear.


Could have been a heart attack and she was dead before she ever fell. Or brain aneurysm. Did anyone hear her scream when she fell? Believe you me I've fallen before and everyone in a 2 mile radius knew it! And that was just off a one story roof!
 
2013-07-01 11:01:37 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: iron_city_ap: Spad31: FTFA: "The cause of death had not been determined..."

How about gravity, falling and a sudden stop on the stage?

Maybe its just me, but it seems pretty obvious that she was killed by a grizzly bear.

Could have been a heart attack and she was dead before she ever fell. Or brain aneurysm. Did anyone hear her scream when she fell? Believe you me I've fallen before and everyone in a 2 mile radius knew it! And that was just off a one story roof!


She was alive and screaming after the accident. They didn't stop the show for several minutes. I'll go see if I can find my friend's FB spam about this.

Here it is.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2013/jun/30/cirque-suff er s-another-accident-artist-falls-ka-mg/
 
2013-07-01 11:01:41 AM
RIP.  I saw "Love" in Vegas about five years ago.  The music alone was incredible (they had an amazing sound system in the theater, built especially for this show) and the acrobatics blew me away.
 
2013-07-01 11:39:28 AM
Gravity is not just a good idea - It's the Law.
 
2013-07-01 11:49:06 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Here it is.


a simple yes or no would have worked.

ewwww
 
2013-07-01 11:58:47 AM

Mobius strip of human stupidity: At least Mark Fisher wasn't alive to see this.


Holy crap! I didn't realize he'd passed away. I ran into him a couple of times in the middle of nowhere where I am back when Tomcat had a factory here.
 
2013-07-01 11:59:39 AM
Where does the line form for me to complain my headline was better?

"Wow, a performance of a lifetime!"

/too soon?
//too snarky for even Farky?

Also:  She was 22 and had been performing with Ka since it opened in 2006, does my math tell me she started performing at age 15?
 
2013-07-01 12:08:20 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: A Cirque friend is spamming up my FB feed with this story. Last year (to the day, apparently) he fell off the stage himself and broke several ribs.

The show isn't safe and as the stages get older, there are going to be many more accidents like this as the wires and hinges and welds weaken.

I've seen many of the Cirque shows, but I'd rather see them go out on top now than to see them slink away after another bunch of accidents.


You've already seen them, so they should quit before others can? Or are you saying its ok for people to risk their lives to get to the top, but then they have to quit?

spidermilk: There are other people who die cutting down trees [etc]


This.  More people died getting the materials together for their stage than have died performing on it. Also, I am willing to bet these performers love their careers, whereas your average steel worker risks his life for a middle class income.
 
2013-07-01 01:00:16 PM
gravity always wins

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-01 01:39:12 PM
There's a show called  World's Toughest Fixes (it's on Netflix, I think the episode was  Fixing Vegas) that did a segment on this show. They were fixing something with the stage, but also had a lot of info on the backstage bits - things like how the net and airbags were deployed, and all the things that go into operating the show. Pretty interesting. Considering they  do use a net, I wonder what happened that she missed. Equipment failure at just the wrong time?
 
2013-07-01 02:13:43 PM

Hector Remarkable: Gravity is not just a good idea - It's the Law.


OH yeah, what's going to happen if I break that law?  Are the universe police going to come and tase me?
 
2013-07-01 02:24:13 PM

srschatzer: Where does the line form for me to complain my headline was better?

"Wow, a performance of a lifetime!"

/too soon?
//too snarky for even Farky?

Also:  She was 22 and had been performing with Ka since it opened in 2006, does my math tell me she started performing at age 15?


According to the article she was 31.  Performing for 22 years.
 
2013-07-01 02:27:36 PM

srschatzer: Where does the line form for me to complain my headline was better?

"Wow, a performance of a lifetime!"

/too soon?
//too snarky for even Farky?

Also:  She was 22 and had been performing with Ka since it opened in 2006, does my math tell me she started performing at age 15?


The "22" you saw is the number of years she had been doing acrobatics, which isn't unusual; we have 14-year-old gymnasts in the Olympics after all.
 
2013-07-01 02:41:02 PM
During the scene, performers are suspended up to 50 feet in the air on lines controlled by wireless remote controls, according to the troupe's website.

Well there's your problem.  As a theatre nerd, I would never trust critical portions of a show on anything wireless if a wired alternative exists. Wireless mics are a necessary evil, but when it comes to DMX and MIDI signals for lights, curtains, and pretty much everything else, the unpredictability of using wireless during a show far outweighs the usefulness of reduced cabling/rigging times.
 
2013-07-01 02:57:06 PM

MadAzza: Twitch Boy: Actually saw Ka when I was in Vegas.

"Actually"?


He meant "literally"
 
2013-07-01 03:07:14 PM

koder: During the scene, performers are suspended up to 50 feet in the air on lines controlled by wireless remote controls, according to the troupe's website.

Well there's your problem.  As a theatre nerd, I would never trust critical portions of a show on anything wireless if a wired alternative exists. Wireless mics are a necessary evil, but when it comes to DMX and MIDI signals for lights, curtains, and pretty much everything else, the unpredictability of using wireless during a show far outweighs the usefulness of reduced cabling/rigging times.




It's a sit down show. Load in time is not really an issue here.

But in general wireless is becoming much more common. Even in cases where cables would work. Wireless DMX kicks ass. Real game changer.
 
2013-07-01 03:41:53 PM
Something about Icarus flying too close to the soleil...something...
 
2013-07-01 04:30:55 PM
Thanks Obama!
 
2013-07-01 06:55:06 PM

koder: As a theatre nerd, I would never trust critical portions of a show on anything wireless if a wired alternative exists.


Everything from cranes to explosive triggers run wireless without major concern. You do trade some availability for the wireless, but it's easy enough to build a device that uses multiple radios to combat interference and screen out false signals (i.e. must get the same command on 2+ different radios at the same time), that has a fail-safe output mode to ensure nothing bad happens when control input is not available (i.e. stop moving, though the precise mode varies based on application), to provide warnings before loss of control (i.e. alert the operator if radio conditions are not suitable for ongoing operations) and even that provides feedback to other remote system to ensure coordination is maintained among the remote devices whenever any device loses the control signal (i.e. stop other output devices until the control signal returns to all devices).

I'm not saying wired doesn't have advantages, but safety-critical systems are not operated by somebody with an RC hobby remote hoping no one turns on a microwave at the wrong moment.
 
2013-07-01 08:09:55 PM

I saw Ka in Vegas in last September.  The set was amazing, the performers were amazing, the performance was amazing, and this is just so, so sad.  It's one of those things where a moment of distraction, a millimeter of distance can mean life or death, change everything in an instant.  Where is the flippin' undo button :(


That stage flips absolutely vertical, and everywhere in between - the engineering was astounding and hydrolics/machinery were massive.


Those performers do not take what they do lightly.  It's just a horrible, horrible accident.  Everything about it all just screamed meticulousness, engineering, thought and focus.  So Sad :(


On a sidenote, In the entrance of the theater two fellows are playing this ENORMOUS stringed instrument on a catwalk over everyone's heads



christinesstainedglass.com
 
2013-07-02 01:17:55 AM
I found this in another article about her death. Interesting choice of picture.

images.theage.com.au
 
2013-07-02 07:05:48 AM
Ka was my first and favorite Cirque show. This kinda sucks
 
2013-07-02 12:37:06 PM
most people commenting have no idea how this show works.
 
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