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(My Fox Phoenix)   18 Firefighters confirmed dead battling Arizona wildfire (article updated)   (myfoxphoenix.com) divider line 341
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2013-06-30 11:21:34 PM
What the farking hell happened?
 
2013-06-30 11:22:40 PM

thisdaydreamer: What the farking hell happened?


I'm assuming the wildfire killed them
 
2013-06-30 11:22:43 PM
heroesofchicago.com
 
2013-06-30 11:23:07 PM
How the fark did that many people die? Jesus Christ.
 
2013-06-30 11:23:34 PM
=(
 
2013-06-30 11:24:04 PM
Go ahead Westboro, we dare you.
 
2013-06-30 11:24:05 PM
Just saw that on the news. So sad. People like that are why there's a hero tag.

RIP
 
2013-06-30 11:25:14 PM

Chinchillazilla: How the fark did that many people die? Jesus Christ.


From the news report I saw, they somehow got surrounded by the fire.
 
2013-06-30 11:25:45 PM
That had to be about the worst article I have read lately - 18 firefighters dead, zero details or even mention of them past sentence one. Are these things now being crowdsourced to twitter for content creation?

Jesus Fuking Christ
 
2013-06-30 11:26:32 PM

ThatDarkFellow: thisdaydreamer: What the farking hell happened?

I'm assuming the wildfire killed them


Silly reiteration aside, I'm curious as to how they could have died, as well - the fire was moving at half a mile an hour, at least according to the article, so I'd kind of ruled out "being overtaken."
 
2013-06-30 11:27:09 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: Chinchillazilla: How the fark did that many people die? Jesus Christ.

From the news report I saw, they somehow got surrounded by the fire.


Ah, that would explain it, sadly. Damn it.
 
2013-06-30 11:28:03 PM

Elzar: That had to be about the worst article I have read lately - 18 firefighters dead, zero details or even mention of them past sentence one. Are these things now being crowdsourced to twitter for content creation?

Jesus Fuking Christ


Must have been a last-minute edit. I don't think there is much detail known yet but that was a pretty despicable way to handle it.
 
2013-06-30 11:28:07 PM
100 degree temps and 20 mph winds.

this is one sad day.
 
2013-06-30 11:28:39 PM

Elzar: That had to be about the worst article I have read lately - 18 firefighters dead, zero details or even mention of them past sentence one. Are these things now being crowdsourced to twitter for content creation?

Jesus Fuking Christ


None of the other articles I've read gave any more details than this one.
 
2013-06-30 11:29:19 PM
Respect, and sadness.
 
2013-06-30 11:29:37 PM

LessO2: Go ahead Westboro, we dare you.


Breaks out thepopcorn
 
2013-06-30 11:29:38 PM

Elzar: That had to be about the worst article I have read lately - 18 firefighters dead, zero details or even mention of them past sentence one. Are these things now being crowdsourced to twitter for content creation?

Jesus Fuking Christ



In a wildfire details are always almost impossible.   They are unpredictable and highly dangerous.  It could have been something as simple as the wind shifting, or the heat causing a gust that drove the fire into their laps.  They can cover hundreds of feet in seconds.
 
2013-06-30 11:29:50 PM
On and on and on about the granny and her four farking grandkids and their pets...and then, oh yeah, half the firefighters in Arizona died, too. What the fark?
 
2013-06-30 11:30:14 PM
At what point do you just say, "fark it. Just let it burn."
 
2013-06-30 11:30:17 PM
Someone is getting fired.
 
2013-06-30 11:31:31 PM

LessO2: Go ahead Westboro, we dare you.


Pfft.  This wouldn't even make their top ten.
 
2013-06-30 11:31:35 PM

Elzar: zero details


SOP in these circumstances until they get thier shiat in order.  You have 18 families that need to be told what happened correctly the first time.
 
2013-06-30 11:32:06 PM

ThatDarkFellow: thisdaydreamer: What the farking hell happened?

I'm assuming the wildfire killed them


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-06-30 11:32:24 PM
AP just tweeted that nineteen firefighters died.
 
2013-06-30 11:32:32 PM
Oh, that is bad. Bad, bad. =(


//also a smokey bear commercial is on WLS 890 AM right now =|
 
2013-06-30 11:32:40 PM
I drove through Yarnell on Friday, just as the storm that sparked this fire was coming through. The last I had heard was that the fire was only up to 14 acres. I'm in complete shock that it got this bad this fast.
 
2013-06-30 11:33:00 PM

LessO2: Go ahead Westboro, we dare you.


They will. Of course they will. They're sue-happy attention whores, after all.
 
2013-06-30 11:33:15 PM
No joke, the next sound after the Smokey the Bear commercial was a news break about the deaths. WLS 890 AM is saying 19 dead. =(
 
2013-06-30 11:33:16 PM
Goddammit.
 
2013-06-30 11:34:14 PM
Correction, it seems the identity of the nineteenth victim is unknown and may not be a firefighter.
 
2013-06-30 11:34:32 PM
Great song by Richard Shindell about firefighters surrounded by a blaze:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgQNeGPJdcQ
"Cry Cry Cry sings of the devastation of the Mann Gulch fire of 1949 through the point of view of Dodge, one of the remaining survivors. "
 
2013-06-30 11:35:10 PM

thelunatick: Elzar: That had to be about the worst article I have read lately - 18 firefighters dead, zero details or even mention of them past sentence one. Are these things now being crowdsourced to twitter for content creation?

Jesus Fuking Christ


In a wildfire details are always almost impossible.   They are unpredictable and highly dangerous.  It could have been something as simple as the wind shifting, or the heat causing a gust that drove the fire into their laps.  They can cover hundreds of feet in seconds.


Do wildland firefighters not carry emergency shelters there? I know the fires move fast and all, but I'd like to think that we're learning from previous disasters. =/
Did the shelters not work?

IIRC, the fire shelters got better after the Payson (sp) Arizona fire in 1990.

I wonder what happened, but either way I feel terrible for the families of all the dead.
 
2013-06-30 11:35:22 PM
CNN just breaking in and saying 19 firemen dead.

Damn.
 
2013-06-30 11:35:42 PM
Good god that is horrible.
 
2013-06-30 11:35:56 PM
Brought back memories of Storm King Mountain.  One of my son's high school friends is on firelines somewhere.  Know I'm going to be thinking of him all summer.  Gonna be a long fire season.
 
2013-06-30 11:36:09 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: At what point do you just say, "fark it. Just let it burn."


Typically, when it is dangerous to fight or when the resources are not important enough to just let burn. We had a monster 350,000 acre fire last year where I grew up and for many of the days, the firefighters turned into spectators.  However, when you have hundreds of homes threatened as in the case with this fire, agencies will probably tend to keep thier crews engaged longer than otherwise prudent.
 
2013-06-30 11:37:25 PM
Ugh, I think it's time we have a real and serious discussion about allowing fires in this country.

/just a terrible thing, R.I.P.
 
2013-06-30 11:37:30 PM

thisdaydreamer: What the farking hell happened?


FIRE BAD
 
2013-06-30 11:37:45 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: At what point do you just say, "fark it. Just let it burn."


Probably decades ago. Those forests are supposed to burn periodically.
 
2013-06-30 11:37:49 PM
Respect for everyone who is trained to run in when the rest of us would run out.
 
2013-06-30 11:38:49 PM
Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad day.
 
2013-06-30 11:38:49 PM
Awful
 
2013-06-30 11:39:50 PM
fark...
 
2013-06-30 11:40:41 PM
Somebody in the chain of command farked up bad.
 
2013-06-30 11:40:52 PM

Somebody Else: Great song by Richard Shindell about firefighters surrounded by a blaze:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgQNeGPJdcQ
"Cry Cry Cry sings of the devastation of the Mann Gulch fire of 1949 through the point of view of Dodge, one of the remaining survivors. "


13 crosses high above, the cold Missouri waters

/not going to listen to that one tonight - much much to sad
 
2013-06-30 11:41:38 PM
Damn, I live near Storm King Mountain in Colorado. Terrible news.
 
2013-06-30 11:42:05 PM
farking awful.  Got home from having dinner at a friends house a bit ago (he is a firefighter)
 
2013-06-30 11:43:45 PM
That is farking huge. That must have been an epic blaze or maybe something exploded. Anyone know if they are pros or volunteers? You never see that many die at once. Holy Fark.
 
2013-06-30 11:44:01 PM

HeadLever: ecmoRandomNumbers: At what point do you just say, "fark it. Just let it burn."

Typically, when it is dangerous to fight or when the resources are not important enough to just let burn. We had a monster 350,000 acre fire last year where I grew up and for many of the days, the firefighters turned into spectators.  However, when you have hundreds of homes threatened as in the case with this fire, agencies will probably tend to keep thier crews engaged longer than otherwise prudent.


Two years ago we had our half-million acre fire. We stayed until the mandatory evacuations. Fire got to within 2 miles of my house. The whole time, though, I thought, "Well, at least we're insured."

They're just things. You can't bring people back.
 
2013-06-30 11:44:10 PM

thisdaydreamer: What the farking hell happened?


Wildfires aren't called "tamefires" for a reason.
 
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