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2013-07-01 02:19:25 AM
9 votes:
How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.
2013-07-01 02:48:14 AM
6 votes:

Jim_Callahan: vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.

How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.

//Seriously, the city is completely, 100% correct in every way on this one.  If you want to convert a garage to livable space, you have to essentially actually rebuild it, sorry.  The skyrocketing of the fire hazard alone makes just putting in some screen doors and using it as a patio a significant public safety concern, and that's before you get into the risk to actual residents and guests.

//I guess they could pass a law giving the homeowners 100% liability, but, again, one of the biggest concerns is fire, so there's a strong chance the damage would be more than they could pay.


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So...You're saying that sitting on an old sofa watching TV is a bigger fire hazard than using a metal grinder 5' from a vehicle with 10+ gallons of gasoline in its tank?  I don't know what's in your garage but mine's got about half a dozen quarts of oil, a gas powered lawn mower, gas powered brush mower, a couple 5 gallon cans of gas (for said mowers), and two vehicles with 11+ gallon gas tanks.  Plus a whole range of power tools with lithium-ion batteries.  And a metal grinder.  I don't see how replacing all of that stuff with a sofa and a TV  increases the fire risk.  Seems like it would be significantly decreased.
2013-07-01 02:31:16 AM
6 votes:

OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.


What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.
2013-07-01 02:41:53 AM
4 votes:
So, were any people actually sleeping in any garages? In the article, "Dearborn officials" cite that as a concern, but nowhere in the article does any side claim anyone was actually sleeping in the garage.

Using the garage primarily for socializing in the summer, including cooking on rainy days is pretty standard in the upper midwest. The big midwestern garage is a blessing in winter, but if you're not rich, in the summer it just takes up too much of your space if you don't use it for something.
2013-07-01 02:30:20 AM
4 votes:
so
a barn which is not designed for human habitation
   no barn dances?

a car which is not designed for ... etc
  so if we find someone living in thier car we can put them out?

camping in backyard
  now that definetly not designed for

sleep overs   does that exceed maximum occupancy?

we are a nation of laws
so many many laws
2013-07-01 02:29:38 AM
4 votes:

OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.


Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.
2013-07-01 02:23:09 AM
4 votes:
I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.
2013-07-01 02:59:38 AM
3 votes:
If they're changing the rules because of the legal activities of a particular ethnic group, then yes, a case can be made that their efforts are racist in origin.
2013-07-01 02:45:56 AM
3 votes:
Apparently, the issue is that they went too far and put farking sliding glass doors where the garage doors should be.

I'm sure that is attractive.   At minimum, they should have installed a double set of french doors  if they wanted to avoid the ugly police.

But what they really should have done is left the front of the house alone, and put the sliding glass doors at  the back of the garage if they needed extra fresh air while they smoke.

//or stop smoking

Just a couple of dumbasses that dont know how to keep things on the down low.  Next up.. people that remove their muffler and whine that they got busted.
2013-07-01 02:36:14 AM
3 votes:
Your government doesn't want neighbors talking to neighbors. Stay upstairs watching NASCAR or stroking on the porn internet. If you speak w/ people in the neighborhood you'll soon collectively realize you should take it to the streets and burn the mother down. Rich powerful whitey don't want that no sir. Go eat sugar, drink soda, stay indoors sheep.
2013-07-01 02:16:51 AM
3 votes:
Lets hire an army of men to inspect every nook and cranny because small government
2013-07-01 05:36:12 AM
2 votes:
So now the government wants to tell people where in their house they can hang out? How about you fark off? Does that work for you? Busy bodies.
2013-07-01 03:04:25 AM
2 votes:
In the nicest neighborhood around here, where the McMansions run around $450k, everyone hangs out in their garage with the door open, watching football and grilling on the front slab. They all wave at each other and talk about the game. Halloween there is epic. These are all middle class folks, mostly wasps, with a HOA. Generally, the rule is that you can't cook in there or have anyone sleeping in there. But of course they're safe to be in. You park there, do laundry in there, work on cars or build projects... I don't care for the "racist card" when it's uncalled for, but this really just sounds like a bunch of snooty jerks that don't like Arabs in TFA.
2013-07-01 02:51:24 AM
2 votes:

Jim_Callahan: vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.

How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.

//Seriously, the city is completely, 100% correct in every way on this one.  If you want to convert a garage to livable space, you have to essentially actually rebuild it, sorry.  The skyrocketing of the fire hazard alone makes just putting in some screen doors and using it as a patio a significant public safety concern, and that's before you get into the risk to actual residents and guests.

//I guess they could pass a law giving the homeowners 100% liability, but, again, one of the biggest concerns is fire, so there's a strong chance the damage would be more than they could pay.


I don't think sliding doors makes a garage "livable space;" nor does a couch and a table used occasionally, or even tile instead of bare concrete.  It's just a place to hang out for a while.  A bed, a toilet, a shower, a stove... now we're talking "livable space."

All the hubbub is just fear of unknown change.  A reasonable ordinance will be worked out.
2013-07-01 02:37:54 AM
2 votes:
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2013-07-01 02:34:45 AM
2 votes:

ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.


Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.
2013-07-01 02:20:13 AM
2 votes:
Until some kids burn to death in a converted garage.  Than it will be why didn't the govt do something about this?

/kids should burn in the regular part of house like real mericans.
2013-07-01 01:02:10 AM
2 votes:
Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!
2013-07-01 12:52:35 AM
2 votes:
FTFA:   In that case, they should be evaluated and taxed accordingly.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is where the real issue is.
/"dirty camel-jockeys aren't paying their fair share!!!"
//doesn't matter if I have a home gym in my garage and couldn't fit a Mini Cooper, much less the Chevy Suburban I have in the garage
/snark off
2013-07-01 06:32:04 PM
1 votes:

freewill: Mentalpatient87: So a kitchen or a living room will somehow be less on fire than the garage? I understand that this is how the codes are written. I'm well aware that people interpret the situation that way. I'm arguing that's it's a load of busybody bullshiat. If you see people hanging out in their garage or even going so far as to modify their house a bit and the first thing you start thinking and/or wailing about is "they're gonna burn down the WORLD!"

The other day, a rookie cop accidentally shot a loved one's house. In the front of the house, where she was sitting. He pretty much had to break every core rule of firearm safety to do it the way he did it. When you see somebody mishandling a firearm, your first thought isn't "HE'S GOING TO KILL EVERYBODY", but if you can't admit that an innocent person is eventually going to die needlessly if we let all the individual cases of people ignoring those simple and well-considered rules slide, you're being profoundly dishonest.

Likewise, that's not even close to the first thing I'd think about any isolated case of some dude smoking hookahs in his garage, but if you let people use garages as living spaces across the city, it's going to happen eventually. Most people will never have their house burn down, but the purpose of the relevant portions of building cods is to make it less deadly for everybody involved if they do. Fires that spread to other structures are a valid concern, and one goal is to reduce the occurrence of those fires in the first place.

As for the kitchen or living room being "less on fire", no, they'll be equally on fire, but if they're up to code, they'll be less likely to catch on fire in the first place, easier to escape from, and properly designed so that there's hopefully nothing in place that will make the situation more dangerous than it has to be.

The bottom line is that if their use of the space was up to code, all they had to do was go get a permit for the conversion and have it properly in ...


I didn't care either way (except they are bringing down their neighbors property values)... until I read this part.

Now, city officials are looking at changing an ordinance on garage use, arguing that as people get a little too comfortable hanging out in the garage, more cars are clogging side streets.

From The Detroit News:  http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130630/METRO01/306300030#ixzz2Xp r EfxpD

Seriously, screw this. If there aren't painted lines on the road separating out spaces with parking meters attached to them... Why the hell does anyone else have to pay taxes for you to have a place to park your car?

I know some places were built a long time ago with the intent of street parking, but seriously... fark that.

There are roads in Houston which are clogged *entirely* because of A-holes and their businesses which can't be bothered to pay for a parking lot and instead have their customers park in the street and then walk across where ever they feel like (you know, instead of at a cross walk) and expect *you* to avoid their drunken asses.

I'd love to see a city get the balls to tell everyone that you either park on your property, or you get towed. No more free rides... Roads are for driving, not parking.
2013-07-01 08:52:43 AM
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: Seriously - I'm sure plenty of Farkers have converted a garage into their man/cave and I'm pretty sure very few got a building permit to do it. It just happens over time. So what these folks are using it as an unofficial rumpus room.

Big effing deal.


As somebody else said above, it's one thing when you do this secretly, but if you take your garage door off and put a sliding glass door on, the code inspector is probably going to farking notice that and ask about it.
2013-07-01 06:34:12 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.

Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.

It's not "building codes," though. It's...maybe not racism, but something. If people have a problem with other people hanging out in garages with their friends and they're going to say it's "building codes"--then they need to come by my upper-middle-class white-on-white neighborhood and see all the people who have converted their garages into man-caves or TV rooms or pool rooms (I mean billiards rooms) or places for the kids to hang out so they don't drive the parents nuts in the summer...and then explain why teh Mooslims doing the same is suddenly such a health risk/building code violation/whatever but when the WASP neighbors did it it was no biggie.


I think the word we are looking for is bigotry.  As many up thread have noted, lots of folks do stuff non-car related in the part of their house noted to be the garage.  The things they do may be sitting around the old busted couch, watching TV and popping a cold one or two, which sounds a lot like what the immigrants are doing.  The problem is it doesn't look the same to the bigots, so it must be stopped.  And when you don't have right on your side, cry government.

The other fear is that if it is not stopped, eventually, there will be extended family members moving in, and living in the garage because it is still nicer than whatever hellhole they moved away from.  Then, someone leaves a candle going, or a unventilated heat source, a fire breaks out,and a bunch of people die.  Most of us do not look at our garages and think, "this is a palace, and we are safe from bandits."  But, I would be willing to bet a lot of immigrants do.
2013-07-01 03:57:59 AM
1 votes:

Limeyluv: Smoke with your bloody doors shut so I can sit in my garden and not smell your stink. Unless it's weed, then keep the doors open and blow it my way.



You idiots forced them all outside.

Great thinking. Bra-vo.
2013-07-01 03:48:16 AM
1 votes:
Government regulators in seach of a problem.
2013-07-01 03:47:54 AM
1 votes:

Notabunny: I doubt it's an issue of aesthetics. I'll bet the building code or municipal code or zoning ordinance require that garages be maintained in a condition which allows a car to be parked inside.


Again, FTFABoth even fashioned ramps that allow vehicles to get over the door frames and into the garage.
2013-07-01 03:05:26 AM
1 votes:

Well Armed Sheep: I'm posting this from my bed in the garage and munching on some Kix cereal.


Congratulations! You're a Muslim now.
2013-07-01 03:01:21 AM
1 votes:
I'm posting this from my bed in the garage and munching on some Kix cereal.
2013-07-01 03:00:28 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.


A lot of people think cultures other than their own are worthless to learn about.
2013-07-01 02:53:51 AM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the garage "patio" conversion. I'm just sick of the cry of racism every time something is different here.


In this case its not different here, tho. I'm white as shiate, in born and raised in a white as shiate neighborhood in the upper midwest, and people use their garages as patio space all summer long with no problem from anyone. I have no idea if this case is an anti-arab issue or not from one article, but its not irrational for that to be at least a hypothesis.worth testing.
2013-07-01 02:46:19 AM
1 votes:
Jim_Callahan: vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.

How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.


Why is the choice always between whatever regulation some government body is proposing/enforcing, and Somalia? It's almost like there's no possible sensible compromise between the two.

People have been using their garages for "living space" for decades - the thing these people did wrong was putting a screen door on the front, thereby making it obvious. Extremes aside (people bunk-bedding their kids out there or something - i dunno), the nanny-state just wants its share of tax revenue.
2013-07-01 02:41:56 AM
1 votes:

bindlestiff2600: so
a barn which is not designed for human habitation
   no barn dances?


Permit required, by event, have to be certified by a county inspector for alternate use.  Otherwise, no, not legal.  If the cert comes back less than the number of attendees, also not legal.  Most jurisdictions will send a couple cops to keep an eye on the event too, though usually more for free security at a gathering than actually to count heads.

a car which is not designed for ... etc
  so if we find someone living in thier car we can put them out?


Yes, living in your car is actually illegal essentially everywhere, unless it's an actual RV.  The cops will in fact tell you to GTFO.

camping in backyard
  now that definetly not designed for


Setting up a tent is legal, but if you start a fire you should be aware of city ordinances and/or county burn bans and so on.  This applies to the entire outdoors, not just yards.

If you're living in that tent on a permanent basis, it becomes illegal.

sleep overs   does that exceed maximum occupancy?

They can, possibly, yes.  Will they?  Probably not, the average 2-bedroom apartment is rated for between 40 and 200 people.  Yes, there are official numbers issued by the (usually fire) inspector following construction or during the last sale.  Yes, even if you live in a private house you inherited from your parents.  Might as well learn them at some point, your realtor should have them on file if nothing else.

//Oh, no, people are expected to have basic knowledge of simple, commonplace elements of the law like "where people are allowed to live"?  Oh, what farking horror.

//Read a farking book sometime, dude.
2013-07-01 02:38:23 AM
1 votes:
FTA : Many who've made the unsanctioned transition are part of Dearborn's nearly 100,000 Arab-American residents, one of the largest such communities outside of the Middle East

Wow!

They must be averaging two, maybe three terrorist attacks a week!
2013-07-01 02:38:15 AM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.

Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.


And I'm sure the city didn't care about this until people started complaining to like minded city council members. And you know why they decided to complain?
2013-07-01 02:38:08 AM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: Your government doesn't want neighbors talking to neighbors. Stay upstairs watching NASCAR or stroking on the porn internet. If you speak w/ people in the neighborhood you'll soon collectively realize you should take it to the streets and burn the mother down. Rich powerful whitey don't want that no sir. Go eat sugar, drink soda, stay indoors sheep.


i think you may have had too much coffee and/or crack.
2013-07-01 02:33:10 AM
1 votes:

Bonzo_1116: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.


Personally, I don't have a problem with the garage "patio" conversion.  I'm just sick of the cry of racism every time something is different here.
2013-07-01 02:31:38 AM
1 votes:
The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh.

Good thing they don't live in Florida, they'd be taking those away, too.
2013-07-01 02:29:25 AM
1 votes:
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Hey fellas, the "garage"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man.
2013-07-01 02:28:12 AM
1 votes:
people making the most of what they can afford to pursue happiness. how stupid.
2013-07-01 02:27:16 AM
1 votes:

vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.


How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.

//Seriously, the city is completely, 100% correct in every way on this one.  If you want to convert a garage to livable space, you have to essentially actually rebuild it, sorry.  The skyrocketing of the fire hazard alone makes just putting in some screen doors and using it as a patio a significant public safety concern, and that's before you get into the risk to actual residents and guests.

//I guess they could pass a law giving the homeowners 100% liability, but, again, one of the biggest concerns is fire, so there's a strong chance the damage would be more than they could pay.
2013-07-01 02:25:57 AM
1 votes:

Pokey.Clyde: Notabunny: Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!

FTFA: They say the structures aren't meant to be living spaces, so building permits can't be issued to convert them.

You were saying?


The building codes and zoning ordinances are racist. I'll bet the parking codes are homophobic, too.
2013-07-01 02:19:54 AM
1 votes:
I'm on the side of the government with this one.  That's one reason I have no problems with my HOA.  Cars aren't parked anywhere but garages.  Go back to BFE if you can't adjust to this country.
2013-07-01 02:08:51 AM
1 votes:

Notabunny: Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!


FTFA: They say the structures aren't meant to be living spaces, so building permits can't be issued to convert them.

You were saying?
2013-07-01 12:46:05 AM
1 votes:
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