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(The Detroit_News)   City: garages are for cars. Residents: that's racist   (detroitnews.com) divider line 160
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2013-07-01 03:06:25 PM  
I was thinking of moving to Detroit because I have heard so many wonderful things but after reading this article I am not so sure...
 
2013-07-01 03:32:20 PM  

Peki: Peki: FTFA:   In that case, they should be evaluated and taxed accordingly.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is where the real issue is.
/"dirty camel-jockeys aren't paying their fair share!!!"
//doesn't matter if I have a home gym in my garage and couldn't fit a Mini Cooper, much less the Chevy Suburban I have in the garage
/snark off

That was supposed to read driveway.


Really?  Next to my house, the most valuable items I own are vehicles.  I'm absolutely going to park them in the garage instead of leaving them outside in the elements.
 
2013-07-01 04:05:52 PM  
I got my first beejer from the girl next door while we were in her family's garage (not a euphemism), so I consider garage space sacred.
 
2013-07-01 04:11:04 PM  

freewill: and there's a different between doing that in a part of the home that was built to anticipate that risk instead of slapping a sliding door on the farking garage and doing it in there.


So a kitchen or a living room will somehow be less on fire than the garage? I understand that this is how the codes are written. I'm well aware that people interpret the situation that way. I'm arguing that's it's a load of busybody bullshiat. If you see people hanging out in their garage or even going so far as to modify their house a bit and the first thing you start thinking and/or wailing about is "they're gonna burn down the WORLD!" you need to pull the stick out of your ass and mind your own business.
 
2013-07-01 05:13:02 PM  

Mentalpatient87: So a kitchen or a living room will somehow be less on fire than the garage? I understand that this is how the codes are written. I'm well aware that people interpret the situation that way. I'm arguing that's it's a load of busybody bullshiat. If you see people hanging out in their garage or even going so far as to modify their house a bit and the first thing you start thinking and/or wailing about is "they're gonna burn down the WORLD!"


The other day, a rookie cop accidentally shot a loved one's house. In the front of the house, where she was sitting. He pretty much had to break every core rule of firearm safety to do it the way he did it. When you see somebody mishandling a firearm, your first thought isn't "HE'S GOING TO KILL EVERYBODY", but if you can't admit that an innocent person is eventually going to die needlessly if we let all the individual cases of people ignoring those simple and well-considered rules slide, you're being profoundly dishonest.

Likewise, that's not even close to the first thing I'd think about any isolated case of some dude smoking hookahs in his garage, but if you let people use garages as living spaces across the city, it's going to happen eventually. Most people will never have their house burn down, but the purpose of the relevant portions of building cods is to make it less deadly for everybody involved if they do. Fires that spread to other structures are a valid concern, and one goal is to reduce the occurrence of those fires in the first place.

As for the kitchen or living room being "less on fire", no, they'll be equally on fire, but if they're up to code, they'll be less likely to catch on fire in the first place, easier to escape from, and properly designed so that there's hopefully nothing in place that will make the situation more dangerous than it has to be.

The bottom line is that if their use of the space was up to code, all they had to do was go get a permit for the conversion and have it properly inspected. Instead, when some rocket surgeon does leave his falafel on the hot plate too long and manage to ignite whatever chemicals they're still storing in the garage, everybody else is disproportionately subsidizing the cost of hospitalizing the firefighter injured trying to keep it from burning down the neighbors' house because they weren't paying their taxes on the improvement in the first place. Then there's the poor asshole who buys the house and finds out an addition was unlawful, and if he wants to do anything to it, he may have to go back and fix all their shiat and even take them to court to get it straightened out.

The people reporting it may be busybodies, but the people they're reporting are straight up in the wrong. There's no quiet nobility in ignoring the building code. They aren't hiding Anne Frank from the Nazis in that garage. They're just too lazy and cheap to do the job properly, and they got caught. The violin, it is so tiny.
 
2013-07-01 06:32:00 PM  
Garage conversions are very common here (CNY). It's not a race thing, it's a small house thing. There has not been a noticeable increase in house fires from converted garages.
 
2013-07-01 06:32:04 PM  

freewill: Mentalpatient87: So a kitchen or a living room will somehow be less on fire than the garage? I understand that this is how the codes are written. I'm well aware that people interpret the situation that way. I'm arguing that's it's a load of busybody bullshiat. If you see people hanging out in their garage or even going so far as to modify their house a bit and the first thing you start thinking and/or wailing about is "they're gonna burn down the WORLD!"

The other day, a rookie cop accidentally shot a loved one's house. In the front of the house, where she was sitting. He pretty much had to break every core rule of firearm safety to do it the way he did it. When you see somebody mishandling a firearm, your first thought isn't "HE'S GOING TO KILL EVERYBODY", but if you can't admit that an innocent person is eventually going to die needlessly if we let all the individual cases of people ignoring those simple and well-considered rules slide, you're being profoundly dishonest.

Likewise, that's not even close to the first thing I'd think about any isolated case of some dude smoking hookahs in his garage, but if you let people use garages as living spaces across the city, it's going to happen eventually. Most people will never have their house burn down, but the purpose of the relevant portions of building cods is to make it less deadly for everybody involved if they do. Fires that spread to other structures are a valid concern, and one goal is to reduce the occurrence of those fires in the first place.

As for the kitchen or living room being "less on fire", no, they'll be equally on fire, but if they're up to code, they'll be less likely to catch on fire in the first place, easier to escape from, and properly designed so that there's hopefully nothing in place that will make the situation more dangerous than it has to be.

The bottom line is that if their use of the space was up to code, all they had to do was go get a permit for the conversion and have it properly in ...


I didn't care either way (except they are bringing down their neighbors property values)... until I read this part.

Now, city officials are looking at changing an ordinance on garage use, arguing that as people get a little too comfortable hanging out in the garage, more cars are clogging side streets.

From The Detroit News:  http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130630/METRO01/306300030#ixzz2Xp r EfxpD

Seriously, screw this. If there aren't painted lines on the road separating out spaces with parking meters attached to them... Why the hell does anyone else have to pay taxes for you to have a place to park your car?

I know some places were built a long time ago with the intent of street parking, but seriously... fark that.

There are roads in Houston which are clogged *entirely* because of A-holes and their businesses which can't be bothered to pay for a parking lot and instead have their customers park in the street and then walk across where ever they feel like (you know, instead of at a cross walk) and expect *you* to avoid their drunken asses.

I'd love to see a city get the balls to tell everyone that you either park on your property, or you get towed. No more free rides... Roads are for driving, not parking.
 
2013-07-01 08:23:28 PM  

KrispyKritter: Your government doesn't want neighbors talking to neighbors. Stay upstairs watching NASCAR or stroking on the porn internet. If you speak w/ people in the neighborhood you'll soon collectively realize you should take it to the streets and burn the mother down. Rich powerful whitey don't want that no sir. Go eat sugar, drink soda, stay indoors sheep.


what a deeck thing to say! i know a lot of NASCAR loving rednecks who do the same thing to avoid smoking up thier houses. they havent done the sliding door thing,but it's not uncommon for the smokers and anyone who wants to hang with them to retire to the garage with the door open and just smoke and drink to their heart's content. and you do realize the the government in detroit isnt exactly caucasian,dont you?
 
2013-07-01 09:32:30 PM  

DVDave: Really?  Next to my house, the most valuable items I own are vehicles.  I'm absolutely going to park them in the garage instead of leaving them outside in the elements.


My computer costs more than my car. That's the point. There's no reason to spend that much on a vehicle (for daily driving, anyway), and you'll save a shiat ton of money if you maintain your car well as opposed to swapping it out every five years. Bonus if you know how to fix/diagnose it yourself and you get something pre-1994.
 
2013-07-02 01:16:14 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: How do fireman survive?


Same way the rest of us do. They don't live in their garages, if that's what you mean.
 
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