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2013-07-01 03:06:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.

A lot of people think cultures other than their own are worthless to learn about.


Well, if we're going to speculate about Priapetic's thoughts, I'll go with "It's racist."  But maybe he'll prove us both wrong, or cruelly leave us on tenterhooks.
 
2013-07-01 03:07:14 AM

Notabunny: Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!




No shiat. Check out the "steal" on the right.

Downtown Birmingham Colonial
$1,499,000
3 Bedrooms 4 Full Baths 1 Half Baths

/sorry, on the phone
 
2013-07-01 03:07:15 AM

KrispyKritter: Your government doesn't want neighbors talking to neighbors. Stay upstairs watching NASCAR or stroking on the porn internet. If you speak w/ people in the neighborhood you'll soon collectively realize you should take it to the streets and burn the mother down. Rich powerful whitey don't want that no sir. Go eat sugar, drink soda, stay indoors sheep.


Going to church is still cool though, right?
 
2013-07-01 03:10:51 AM

BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.

A lot of people think cultures other than their own are worthless to learn about.

Well, if we're going to speculate about Priapetic's thoughts, I'll go with "It's racist."  But maybe he'll prove us both wrong, or cruelly leave us on tenterhooks.


I'm not going to label anyone racist based on a post on the internet. But the lack of interest in other countries is a very common trait among the low-bred.
 
2013-07-01 03:11:03 AM

Moonfisher: In the nicest neighborhood around here, where the McMansions run around $450k, everyone hangs out in their garage with the door open, watching football and grilling on the front slab. They all wave at each other and talk about the game. Halloween there is epic. These are all middle class folks, mostly wasps, with a HOA. Generally, the rule is that you can't cook in there or have anyone sleeping in there. But of course they're safe to be in. You park there, do laundry in there, work on cars or build projects... I don't care for the "racist card" when it's uncalled for, but this really just sounds like a bunch of snooty jerks that don't like Arabs in TFA.


The simplest answer is that sliding doors on a garage "don't look right" and so someone from the city must be called to check it out.  No racism required, just non-discriminatory fear of change.
 
2013-07-01 03:12:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.

A lot of people think cultures other than their own are worthless to learn about.

Well, if we're going to speculate about Priapetic's thoughts, I'll go with "It's racist."  But maybe he'll prove us both wrong, or cruelly leave us on tenterhooks.

I'm not going to label anyone racist based on a post on the internet. But the lack of interest in other countries is a very common trait among the low-bred.


No, I meant maybe he thinks the "cultural background" is racist!

/are there any high-breds on Fark?
 
2013-07-01 03:13:05 AM

BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy: BarkingUnicorn: Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.

A lot of people think cultures other than their own are worthless to learn about.

Well, if we're going to speculate about Priapetic's thoughts, I'll go with "It's racist."  But maybe he'll prove us both wrong, or cruelly leave us on tenterhooks.

I'm not going to label anyone racist based on a post on the internet. But the lack of interest in other countries is a very common trait among the low-bred.

No, I meant maybe he thinks the "cultural background" is racist!

/are there any high-breds on Fark?


I drive a Prius...
 
2013-07-01 03:18:32 AM
I live in upstate NY. Seventy miles north and west of New York City. A refrigerator, a stereo system, cable television are standard  in the garage. The grill sits just outside the garage door.. God Bless America.
 
2013-07-01 03:18:51 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Moonfisher: In the nicest neighborhood around here, where the McMansions run around $450k, everyone hangs out in their garage with the door open, watching football and grilling on the front slab. They all wave at each other and talk about the game. Halloween there is epic. These are all middle class folks, mostly wasps, with a HOA. Generally, the rule is that you can't cook in there or have anyone sleeping in there. But of course they're safe to be in. You park there, do laundry in there, work on cars or build projects... I don't care for the "racist card" when it's uncalled for, but this really just sounds like a bunch of snooty jerks that don't like Arabs in TFA.

The simplest answer is that sliding doors on a garage "don't look right" and so someone from the city must be called to check it out.  No racism required, just non-discriminatory fear of change.


I doubt it's an issue of aesthetics. I'll bet the building code or municipal code or zoning ordinance require that garages be maintained in a condition which allows a car to be parked inside.
 
2013-07-01 03:20:25 AM
Noisy neighbors can take the farking gaspipe I don't care what race they are.
 
2013-07-01 03:21:35 AM

Jim_Callahan: bindlestiff2600: so
snip

snip

//Oh, no, people are expected to have basic knowledge of simple, commonplace elements of the law like "where people are allowed to live"?  Oh, what farking horror.

//Read a farking book sometime, dude.


i do
and it tends to get me in so much trouble

Oh, no, people are expected to have basic knowledge of simple, commonplace elements of the law like "where people are allowed to live"?  Oh, what farking horror.

up till that line your response was excellent
do a local random survey
see how many of the people you know - know any where near what you think they should
(you might be disappointed)
 
2013-07-01 03:23:29 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: /are there any high-breds on Fark?

I drive a Prius...


Well, I don't drive at all.  Does that make me higher-bred than you?
 
2013-07-01 03:29:18 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.




Tile, if you do it yourself, can be way cheaper than floor paint. Plus, it's easier to clean a finished floor.

/garage and patio are tiled
 
2013-07-01 03:32:53 AM

fusillade762: KrispyKritter: Your government doesn't want neighbors talking to neighbors. Stay upstairs watching NASCAR or stroking on the porn internet. If you speak w/ people in the neighborhood you'll soon collectively realize you should take it to the streets and burn the mother down. Rich powerful whitey don't want that no sir. Go eat sugar, drink soda, stay indoors sheep.

Going to church is still cool though, right?




Pimpn' ain't easy.
intheknow7.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-01 03:33:25 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Notabunny: Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!

FTFA: They say the structures aren't meant to be living spaces, so building permits can't be issued to convert them.

You were saying?


If that's the case, then you couldn't build a house to start with. A living space isn't a patch of unprotected ground.
 
2013-07-01 03:41:33 AM
Smoke with your bloody doors shut so I can sit in my garden and not smell your stink. Unless it's weed, then keep the doors open and blow it my way.
 
2013-07-01 03:47:54 AM

Notabunny: I doubt it's an issue of aesthetics. I'll bet the building code or municipal code or zoning ordinance require that garages be maintained in a condition which allows a car to be parked inside.


Again, FTFABoth even fashioned ramps that allow vehicles to get over the door frames and into the garage.
 
2013-07-01 03:48:16 AM
Government regulators in seach of a problem.
 
2013-07-01 03:48:46 AM
My parents house had a pair of double doors already in place where the garage door is suppose to be when we bought the place so I'm wondering...

There's no way to get a car in there.
 
2013-07-01 03:50:30 AM

Pointy Tail of Satan: If that's the case, then you couldn't build a house to start with. A living space isn't a patch of unprotected ground.


Work on your reading comprehension and get back to me. What you said makes absolutely no goddamn sense.
 
2013-07-01 03:50:33 AM
What we have here is a problem in multi-variant propositional calculus. I propose a meeting of the world's finest philosophical minds to ponder this issue, to produce a solution completed validated by the powers of metaphysics and epistemology, when it can be passed upward though the ranks of the American legal system, and at which point it can be completely ignored by the SCOTUS; it's final decision instead based on bias, arbitrary political leanings, and neo-religious dogma. USA! USA!
 
2013-07-01 03:50:36 AM

Big Dave: Lets hire an army of men to inspect every nook and cranny because small government


In any view of how the world works does anyone imagine the heavily Democratic city of Detroit is run by advocates of "small government"?
 
2013-07-01 03:52:17 AM

ReluctantPaladin: Government regulators in seach of a problem. revenue.


More "livable space," more property tax.  But I don't think these examples are livable spaces.
 
2013-07-01 03:52:17 AM

Notabunny: BarkingUnicorn: Moonfisher: In the nicest neighborhood around here, where the McMansions run around $450k, everyone hangs out in their garage with the door open, watching football and grilling on the front slab. They all wave at each other and talk about the game. Halloween there is epic. These are all middle class folks, mostly wasps, with a HOA. Generally, the rule is that you can't cook in there or have anyone sleeping in there. But of course they're safe to be in. You park there, do laundry in there, work on cars or build projects... I don't care for the "racist card" when it's uncalled for, but this really just sounds like a bunch of snooty jerks that don't like Arabs in TFA.

The simplest answer is that sliding doors on a garage "don't look right" and so someone from the city must be called to check it out.  No racism required, just non-discriminatory fear of change.

I doubt it's an issue of aesthetics. I'll bet the building code or municipal code or zoning ordinance require that garages be maintained in a condition which allows a car to be parked inside.


Garages are made to hold cars that produce all sorts of nice toxic exhaust fumes that get into the walls and woodwork. They also tend to have gas-powered appliances like furnaces and hot water heaters which turn on intermittently and require a good bit of oxygen in the air. Both conditions make the room unsuitable for living quarters.
 
2013-07-01 03:57:59 AM

Limeyluv: Smoke with your bloody doors shut so I can sit in my garden and not smell your stink. Unless it's weed, then keep the doors open and blow it my way.



You idiots forced them all outside.

Great thinking. Bra-vo.
 
2013-07-01 03:58:58 AM

cyberspacedout: Notabunny: BarkingUnicorn: Moonfisher: In the nicest neighborhood around here, where the McMansions run around $450k, everyone hangs out in their garage with the door open, watching football and grilling on the front slab. They all wave at each other and talk about the game. Halloween there is epic. These are all middle class folks, mostly wasps, with a HOA. Generally, the rule is that you can't cook in there or have anyone sleeping in there. But of course they're safe to be in. You park there, do laundry in there, work on cars or build projects... I don't care for the "racist card" when it's uncalled for, but this really just sounds like a bunch of snooty jerks that don't like Arabs in TFA.

The simplest answer is that sliding doors on a garage "don't look right" and so someone from the city must be called to check it out.  No racism required, just non-discriminatory fear of change.

I doubt it's an issue of aesthetics. I'll bet the building code or municipal code or zoning ordinance require that garages be maintained in a condition which allows a car to be parked inside.

Garages are made to hold cars that produce all sorts of nice toxic exhaust fumes that get into the walls and woodwork. They also tend to have gas-powered appliances like furnaces and hot water heaters which turn on intermittently and require a good bit of oxygen in the air. Both conditions make the room unsuitable for living quarters.


How do fireman survive?
 
2013-07-01 04:03:11 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Notabunny: I doubt it's an issue of aesthetics. I'll bet the building code or municipal code or zoning ordinance require that garages be maintained in a condition which allows a car to be parked inside.

Again, FTFA:  Both even fashioned ramps that allow vehicles to get over the door frames and into the garage.


I saw that. But clearly the doors are the problem.
 
2013-07-01 04:05:07 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Pointy Tail of Satan: If that's the case, then you couldn't build a house to start with. A living space isn't a patch of unprotected ground.

Work on your reading comprehension and get back to me. What you said makes absolutely no goddamn sense.


Eliminate the statement's double negative.

For structures meant to be living spaces, building permits can be issued to convert them.

Assuming virgin ground is not a structure, one could not get a building permit.
 
2013-07-01 04:21:01 AM

Notabunny: Pokey.Clyde: Notabunny: I doubt it's an issue of aesthetics. I'll bet the building code or municipal code or zoning ordinance require that garages be maintained in a condition which allows a car to be parked inside.

Again, FTFA:  Both even fashioned ramps that allow vehicles to get over the door frames and into the garage.

I saw that. But clearly the doors are the problem.




Yes, for people that look at ads for 1.5 million dollar homes.
 
2013-07-01 04:26:11 AM

BarkingUnicorn: AverageAmericanGuy:
A lot of people think cultures other than their own are worthless to learn about.

Well, if we're going to speculate about Priapetic's thoughts, I'll go with "It's racist."  But maybe he'll prove us both wrong, or cruelly leave us on tenterhooks.


I think it's best to assume he's planning a genocide right now against the mud races. I can't see anything else in those words of his. Hope he doesn't have a cooking show because I'm writing an e-mail to Wolf Blitzer right now.
 
2013-07-01 04:33:57 AM

OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.

Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.


It's not "building codes," though. It's...maybe not racism, but something. If people have a problem with other people hanging out in garages with their friends and they're going to say it's "building codes"--then they need to come by my upper-middle-class white-on-white neighborhood and see all the people who have converted their garages into man-caves or TV rooms or pool rooms (I mean billiards rooms) or places for the kids to hang out so they don't drive the parents nuts in the summer...and then explain why teh Mooslims doing the same is suddenly such a health risk/building code violation/whatever but when the WASP neighbors did it it was no biggie.
 
2013-07-01 04:41:56 AM

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.

Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.

It's not "building codes," though. It's...maybe not racism, but something. If people have a problem with other people hanging out in garages with their friends and they're going to say it's "building codes"--then they need to come by my upper-middle-class white-on-white neighborhood and see all the people who have converted their garages into man-caves or TV rooms or pool rooms (I mean billiards rooms) or places for the kids to hang out so they don't drive the parents nuts in the summer...and then explain why teh Mooslims doing the same is suddenly such a health risk/building code violation/whatever but when the WASP neighbors did it it was no biggie.


It is building codes. That's what the inspector who issued the stop work order is enforcing.
 
2013-07-01 05:04:37 AM
 
2013-07-01 05:36:12 AM
So now the government wants to tell people where in their house they can hang out? How about you fark off? Does that work for you? Busy bodies.
 
2013-07-01 05:36:36 AM
Its amazing what you can and can not do to your own house with out permission from the govt, in this case it seems they are better off going after the roads and parking laws to force change I would think

Notabunny: In addition to the whole habitable space issue, Dearborn's zoning ordinance says, "An area designated as required off-street parking shall not be changed to any other use unless equal facilities are provided elsewhere in accordance with the provisions of this ordinance." (Article 4.00 A3 and B2)


If i am reading that correctly they cant change parking unless they provide a new spots?
 
2013-07-01 06:05:19 AM

ghostfacekillahrabbit: So, were any people actually sleeping in any garages? In the article, "Dearborn officials" cite that as a concern, but nowhere in the article does any side claim anyone was actually sleeping in the garage.

Using the garage primarily for socializing in the summer, including cooking on rainy days is pretty standard in the upper midwest. The big midwestern garage is a blessing in winter, but if you're not rich, in the summer it just takes up too much of your space if you don't use it for something.


Like parking a car?
 
2013-07-01 06:23:59 AM
Around here any work done on a house without a permit can be disastrous if there is a call made to your insurance company. Basically any fires with non permit work done in the house gives the insurance company the ability to not pay out. Biggest concern with that is if you buy a place where there has happened. When I bought my place there was title insurance I got which more or less nullifies any prior work and if there is any found that could fall into it and work needs to be done it will be covered.

Other big issue I could see is it would probably decrease your resale value when you try to sell since you basically limit who will buy your house. Personally I wouldn't I need a garage to store my grinder and welder which annoys the crap out of my neighbors :)
/actually no one has complained and I try to be respectful of time when doing it.
 
2013-07-01 06:27:14 AM
Glass is a sign of wealth!
 
2013-07-01 06:34:12 AM

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.

Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.

It's not "building codes," though. It's...maybe not racism, but something. If people have a problem with other people hanging out in garages with their friends and they're going to say it's "building codes"--then they need to come by my upper-middle-class white-on-white neighborhood and see all the people who have converted their garages into man-caves or TV rooms or pool rooms (I mean billiards rooms) or places for the kids to hang out so they don't drive the parents nuts in the summer...and then explain why teh Mooslims doing the same is suddenly such a health risk/building code violation/whatever but when the WASP neighbors did it it was no biggie.


I think the word we are looking for is bigotry.  As many up thread have noted, lots of folks do stuff non-car related in the part of their house noted to be the garage.  The things they do may be sitting around the old busted couch, watching TV and popping a cold one or two, which sounds a lot like what the immigrants are doing.  The problem is it doesn't look the same to the bigots, so it must be stopped.  And when you don't have right on your side, cry government.

The other fear is that if it is not stopped, eventually, there will be extended family members moving in, and living in the garage because it is still nicer than whatever hellhole they moved away from.  Then, someone leaves a candle going, or a unventilated heat source, a fire breaks out,and a bunch of people die.  Most of us do not look at our garages and think, "this is a palace, and we are safe from bandits."  But, I would be willing to bet a lot of immigrants do.
 
2013-07-01 06:35:12 AM
just asking (and if it stirs things up i wont mind)

is it possible to have an attached enclosed picnic area??

(and have the garage declared one)
 
2013-07-01 06:52:22 AM
Call me crazy, but I'd rather the government was less intrusive in our lives, not more intrusive, and the only way that's going to happen is if we say no to further intrusion even if it doesn't impact us directly. Yes, I do consider the govt. telling us what we can or can't do on our own property when it doesn't hurt anyone else.
 
2013-07-01 06:53:35 AM
"Errigo doesn't think having a spare refrigerator in the garage is a problem, but he doesn't want the structures to become crash pads or places where meals are prepared. In that case, they should be evaluated and taxed.."

WHAT. DA. fark.
Why tax them. Where did that come from? Sadly, in the it will come down to a use redefinition for tax purposes.
 
2013-07-01 07:16:43 AM
She didn't understand the cultural code and took it too far.

If she would have simply put one of those standing red toolboxes with drawers in the corner, the city would have got it.  Instead of simply refinishing the floor, putting put tin signs, a fridge, maybe a small wet bar, a sofa and a flat screen with a toolbox in the corner she would have gotten away with it.

Instead she has to repurpose it for something exotic instead of changing the spark plugs and having a beer, and she leave it open for the world to see with funny doors facing the street.

Now garages in Dearborn will be like basements and if make them a part of your home, expect to pay more in taxes.

Errigo doesn't think having a spare refrigerator in the garage is a problem, but he doesn't want the structures to become crash pads or places where meals are prepared. In that case, they should be evaluated and taxed accordingly.
 
2013-07-01 07:26:27 AM

ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.


Well as long as you ignore the problems of more crowded street parking, peopel using areas not up to code as living spaces, and avoiding taxes on those living spaces.
 
2013-07-01 07:29:35 AM

LordOfThePings: [cearensesinternacionais.files.wordpress.com image 350x291]

Hey fellas, the "garage"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man.


Well what do you call it?
 
2013-07-01 07:32:25 AM

Notabunny: I'll bet the parking codes are homophobic, too.


Well, some places do have laws against pulling in to a parking space backward.
 
2013-07-01 07:34:02 AM
But GUYS! A fire might break out and those poor people would be trapped in the part of the house with the biggest,easiest to open doors!

/freedom
 
2013-07-01 07:38:09 AM
I am in the process of building a barn, around 30' X 50'.  The first floor will be:

2 rooms (for a clean workshop and a "lounge")
Open garage space (with a toilet)
Space for animals (probably walled off from the garage)

Upstairs:

Storage
Studio Apartment


That is the plan at least.  It is starting as an empty shell, then everything will be added on as funds arrive.   At the very least, it will be a garage and storage.
/have no visible neighbors
 
2013-07-01 07:41:25 AM
My neighbors across the street are constantly sitting in their garage to smoke so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

Seriously though, while it's kinda creepy to be watched 90% of the time when I go out to my front yard I'm not gonna complain to the county council about it. Even if they did just put up what equates to a XXXL "Magic Mesh".
/still creeps the wife and I out
 
2013-07-01 07:43:44 AM
I'm all in favor of letting people use their structures in whatever reasonable way they want, but...

Now, city officials are looking at changing an ordinance on garage use, arguing that as people get a little too comfortable hanging out in the garage, more cars are clogging side streets.

...this is a legitimate nuisance, especially when it's time to plow or clean the streets. Instead of trying to dig out the private behaviors that are leading to the public problem, though, it would probably be better to pass ordinances that target the abuse of on-street parking directly rather than ordinances that try to control what people are doing in the garage.

We have similar problems with student rentals in our city, and, yeah, it can be a mess when some inconsiderate assholes have three or four cars parked up your two-lane side street. You get a two or three houses on the same block with that problem, and next thing you know, traffic is slowing down to wiggle through and people in households with two cars but one spot in the garage are parking blocks away from their own homes.
 
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