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2013-07-01 12:46:05 AM
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2013-07-01 12:52:35 AM
FTFA:   In that case, they should be evaluated and taxed accordingly.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is where the real issue is.
/"dirty camel-jockeys aren't paying their fair share!!!"
//doesn't matter if I have a home gym in my garage and couldn't fit a Mini Cooper, much less the Chevy Suburban I have in the garage
/snark off
 
2013-07-01 01:02:10 AM
Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!
 
2013-07-01 01:06:23 AM

Peki: FTFA:   In that case, they should be evaluated and taxed accordingly.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is where the real issue is.
/"dirty camel-jockeys aren't paying their fair share!!!"
//doesn't matter if I have a home gym in my garage and couldn't fit a Mini Cooper, much less the Chevy Suburban I have in the garage
/snark off


That was supposed to read driveway.
 
2013-07-01 02:08:51 AM

Notabunny: Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!


FTFA: They say the structures aren't meant to be living spaces, so building permits can't be issued to convert them.

You were saying?
 
2013-07-01 02:16:51 AM
Lets hire an army of men to inspect every nook and cranny because small government
 
2013-07-01 02:19:25 AM
How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.
 
2013-07-01 02:19:54 AM
I'm on the side of the government with this one.  That's one reason I have no problems with my HOA.  Cars aren't parked anywhere but garages.  Go back to BFE if you can't adjust to this country.
 
2013-07-01 02:20:13 AM
Until some kids burn to death in a converted garage.  Than it will be why didn't the govt do something about this?

/kids should burn in the regular part of house like real mericans.
 
2013-07-01 02:23:09 AM
I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.
 
2013-07-01 02:25:57 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Notabunny: Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!

FTFA: They say the structures aren't meant to be living spaces, so building permits can't be issued to convert them.

You were saying?


The building codes and zoning ordinances are racist. I'll bet the parking codes are homophobic, too.
 
2013-07-01 02:27:16 AM

vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.


How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.

//Seriously, the city is completely, 100% correct in every way on this one.  If you want to convert a garage to livable space, you have to essentially actually rebuild it, sorry.  The skyrocketing of the fire hazard alone makes just putting in some screen doors and using it as a patio a significant public safety concern, and that's before you get into the risk to actual residents and guests.

//I guess they could pass a law giving the homeowners 100% liability, but, again, one of the biggest concerns is fire, so there's a strong chance the damage would be more than they could pay.
 
2013-07-01 02:28:12 AM
people making the most of what they can afford to pursue happiness. how stupid.
 
2013-07-01 02:29:25 AM
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Hey fellas, the "garage"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man.
 
2013-07-01 02:29:38 AM

OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.


Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.
 
2013-07-01 02:30:20 AM
so
a barn which is not designed for human habitation
   no barn dances?

a car which is not designed for ... etc
  so if we find someone living in thier car we can put them out?

camping in backyard
  now that definetly not designed for

sleep overs   does that exceed maximum occupancy?

we are a nation of laws
so many many laws
 
2013-07-01 02:31:16 AM

OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.


What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.
 
2013-07-01 02:31:33 AM
Peki:
/"dirty camel-jockeys aren't paying their fair share!!!"
 

It's the muslins that made it a racial thing. I'm still proud of you for sticking it to whitey, though.
I'm just surprised that arabs apparently have a "tradition" of living in garages. Must be one of those lost chapters of the Koran.
 
2013-07-01 02:31:38 AM
The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh.

Good thing they don't live in Florida, they'd be taking those away, too.
 
2013-07-01 02:33:10 AM

Bonzo_1116: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.


Personally, I don't have a problem with the garage "patio" conversion.  I'm just sick of the cry of racism every time something is different here.
 
2013-07-01 02:34:45 AM

ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.


Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.
 
2013-07-01 02:36:14 AM
Your government doesn't want neighbors talking to neighbors. Stay upstairs watching NASCAR or stroking on the porn internet. If you speak w/ people in the neighborhood you'll soon collectively realize you should take it to the streets and burn the mother down. Rich powerful whitey don't want that no sir. Go eat sugar, drink soda, stay indoors sheep.
 
2013-07-01 02:36:42 AM
Some cities will issue a variance for things like this. They should go the permit center and ask if they can have a legal, non-conforming garage conversion. The answer might still be 'no', but it's worth a try.
 
2013-07-01 02:37:54 AM
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2013-07-01 02:38:08 AM

KrispyKritter: Your government doesn't want neighbors talking to neighbors. Stay upstairs watching NASCAR or stroking on the porn internet. If you speak w/ people in the neighborhood you'll soon collectively realize you should take it to the streets and burn the mother down. Rich powerful whitey don't want that no sir. Go eat sugar, drink soda, stay indoors sheep.


i think you may have had too much coffee and/or crack.
 
2013-07-01 02:38:15 AM

OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

What tradition are you talking about? Hanging out on your property having a good time? You see this type of stuff all of the time. A group of people will complain when they see another group that they don't approve of having a good time in a manner that they don't approve of, even if that group isn't causing any problems.

Perhaps "tradition" was a bad choice of words.  As I stated in a follow up, I don't have a problem with using the garage in that way.  I'm just tired of the cry of racism for everything.  It's not racism.  It's building codes.


And I'm sure the city didn't care about this until people started complaining to like minded city council members. And you know why they decided to complain?
 
2013-07-01 02:38:23 AM
FTA : Many who've made the unsanctioned transition are part of Dearborn's nearly 100,000 Arab-American residents, one of the largest such communities outside of the Middle East

Wow!

They must be averaging two, maybe three terrorist attacks a week!
 
2013-07-01 02:38:33 AM

Notabunny: Pokey.Clyde: Notabunny: Meh. If you want to convert your garage into living space, get the permits and inspections. Ta-da!

FTFA: They say the structures aren't meant to be living spaces, so building permits can't be issued to convert them.

You were saying?

The building codes and zoning ordinances are racist. I'll bet the parking codes are homophobic, too.


The building codes are mostly hydrophobic.  I can't vouch for their parking ordinances but I bet they're pants on head retarded just like all of them are everywhere.
 
2013-07-01 02:39:56 AM
I visited Dearborn once. There was plenty of parking everywhere. Hardly a car to be seen, to tell the truth.

It's almost a nice city, if you can look past its location and residents.
 
2013-07-01 02:40:55 AM

Peki: FTFA:   //doesn't matter if I have a home gym in my garage and couldn't fit a Mini Cooper, much less the Chevy Suburban I have in the garage


You wrote 'garage' twice...
 
2013-07-01 02:41:53 AM
So, were any people actually sleeping in any garages? In the article, "Dearborn officials" cite that as a concern, but nowhere in the article does any side claim anyone was actually sleeping in the garage.

Using the garage primarily for socializing in the summer, including cooking on rainy days is pretty standard in the upper midwest. The big midwestern garage is a blessing in winter, but if you're not rich, in the summer it just takes up too much of your space if you don't use it for something.
 
2013-07-01 02:41:56 AM

bindlestiff2600: so
a barn which is not designed for human habitation
   no barn dances?


Permit required, by event, have to be certified by a county inspector for alternate use.  Otherwise, no, not legal.  If the cert comes back less than the number of attendees, also not legal.  Most jurisdictions will send a couple cops to keep an eye on the event too, though usually more for free security at a gathering than actually to count heads.

a car which is not designed for ... etc
  so if we find someone living in thier car we can put them out?


Yes, living in your car is actually illegal essentially everywhere, unless it's an actual RV.  The cops will in fact tell you to GTFO.

camping in backyard
  now that definetly not designed for


Setting up a tent is legal, but if you start a fire you should be aware of city ordinances and/or county burn bans and so on.  This applies to the entire outdoors, not just yards.

If you're living in that tent on a permanent basis, it becomes illegal.

sleep overs   does that exceed maximum occupancy?

They can, possibly, yes.  Will they?  Probably not, the average 2-bedroom apartment is rated for between 40 and 200 people.  Yes, there are official numbers issued by the (usually fire) inspector following construction or during the last sale.  Yes, even if you live in a private house you inherited from your parents.  Might as well learn them at some point, your realtor should have them on file if nothing else.

//Oh, no, people are expected to have basic knowledge of simple, commonplace elements of the law like "where people are allowed to live"?  Oh, what farking horror.

//Read a farking book sometime, dude.
 
2013-07-01 02:45:31 AM

OgreMagi: Bonzo_1116: OgreMagi: I'm getting tired of people pulling out that racist card every time some old world tradition collides with our modern world.

Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the garage "patio" conversion.  I'm just sick of the cry of racism every time something is different here.


Just wait a couple of years when some of the Middle Eastern families sell the converted houses...the idea will get to other groups, these guys are getting targeted because they thought of it first. It just feels like racism but it's really more a coincidence.

But I do wonder how many mancaves with couches, a homebuilt wet bar with kegerator and a TV get flagged. It seems like the only real innovation here is the screen door mounted just inside the main garage door.
 
2013-07-01 02:45:56 AM
Apparently, the issue is that they went too far and put farking sliding glass doors where the garage doors should be.

I'm sure that is attractive.   At minimum, they should have installed a double set of french doors  if they wanted to avoid the ugly police.

But what they really should have done is left the front of the house alone, and put the sliding glass doors at  the back of the garage if they needed extra fresh air while they smoke.

//or stop smoking

Just a couple of dumbasses that dont know how to keep things on the down low.  Next up.. people that remove their muffler and whine that they got busted.
 
2013-07-01 02:46:19 AM
Jim_Callahan: vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.

How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.


Why is the choice always between whatever regulation some government body is proposing/enforcing, and Somalia? It's almost like there's no possible sensible compromise between the two.

People have been using their garages for "living space" for decades - the thing these people did wrong was putting a screen door on the front, thereby making it obvious. Extremes aside (people bunk-bedding their kids out there or something - i dunno), the nanny-state just wants its share of tax revenue.
 
2013-07-01 02:48:14 AM

Jim_Callahan: vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.

How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.

//Seriously, the city is completely, 100% correct in every way on this one.  If you want to convert a garage to livable space, you have to essentially actually rebuild it, sorry.  The skyrocketing of the fire hazard alone makes just putting in some screen doors and using it as a patio a significant public safety concern, and that's before you get into the risk to actual residents and guests.

//I guess they could pass a law giving the homeowners 100% liability, but, again, one of the biggest concerns is fire, so there's a strong chance the damage would be more than they could pay.


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So...You're saying that sitting on an old sofa watching TV is a bigger fire hazard than using a metal grinder 5' from a vehicle with 10+ gallons of gasoline in its tank?  I don't know what's in your garage but mine's got about half a dozen quarts of oil, a gas powered lawn mower, gas powered brush mower, a couple 5 gallon cans of gas (for said mowers), and two vehicles with 11+ gallon gas tanks.  Plus a whole range of power tools with lithium-ion batteries.  And a metal grinder.  I don't see how replacing all of that stuff with a sofa and a TV  increases the fire risk.  Seems like it would be significantly decreased.
 
2013-07-01 02:48:47 AM

ongbok: And I'm sure the city didn't care about this until people started complaining to like minded city council members. And you know why they decided to complain?


because dumb asses put sliding glass doors on the front of their house, where the garage doors go?
 
2013-07-01 02:49:06 AM

Public Savant: Peki: FTFA:   //doesn't matter if I have a home gym in my garage and couldn't fit a Mini Cooper, much less the Chevy Suburban I have in the garage

You wrote 'garage' twice...


He really likes garages....
 
2013-07-01 02:51:15 AM
"The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

/but excellent done in 1 picture - you'd almost think they were building a fighting force of extwaordinawy mawgnitude
 
2013-07-01 02:51:24 AM

Jim_Callahan: vwarb: How about I use the structures on my property in any way I see fit, you "small government" farktards.

How about you move somewhere where there aren't minimal code standards for residential buildings for the incredibly farking obvious goddamned reasons that anyone with half a brain can figure out in half a second, then?  I hear Somalia's nice and warm this time of year.

//Seriously, the city is completely, 100% correct in every way on this one.  If you want to convert a garage to livable space, you have to essentially actually rebuild it, sorry.  The skyrocketing of the fire hazard alone makes just putting in some screen doors and using it as a patio a significant public safety concern, and that's before you get into the risk to actual residents and guests.

//I guess they could pass a law giving the homeowners 100% liability, but, again, one of the biggest concerns is fire, so there's a strong chance the damage would be more than they could pay.


I don't think sliding doors makes a garage "livable space;" nor does a couch and a table used occasionally, or even tile instead of bare concrete.  It's just a place to hang out for a while.  A bed, a toilet, a shower, a stove... now we're talking "livable space."

All the hubbub is just fear of unknown change.  A reasonable ordinance will be worked out.
 
2013-07-01 02:53:34 AM

BarkingUnicorn: A reasonable ordinance will be worked out.


stop trying to apply common sense and reason!
 
2013-07-01 02:53:51 AM

OgreMagi: Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the garage "patio" conversion. I'm just sick of the cry of racism every time something is different here.


In this case its not different here, tho. I'm white as shiate, in born and raised in a white as shiate neighborhood in the upper midwest, and people use their garages as patio space all summer long with no problem from anyone. I have no idea if this case is an anti-arab issue or not from one article, but its not irrational for that to be at least a hypothesis.worth testing.
 
2013-07-01 02:57:34 AM

Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm


What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.
 
2013-07-01 02:59:38 AM
If they're changing the rules because of the legal activities of a particular ethnic group, then yes, a case can be made that their efforts are racist in origin.
 
2013-07-01 03:00:28 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Priapetic: "The garages are a continuation of marathon socializing sessions that started many years ago in their home countries under shady trees, often accompanied by coffee and a water pipe, known as a hookah or argileh. "

Seriously, Detroit News?  Seriously? And that tidbit adds to the reader education how, exactly? /facepalm

What's your problem with interesting bit of cultural background?  It gives me a good mental picture of what the garage gatherings are like. I was wondering why anyone would tile the floor of a garage and put sliding doors on it.  "Marathon socializing" makes sense.


A lot of people think cultures other than their own are worthless to learn about.
 
2013-07-01 03:01:21 AM
I'm posting this from my bed in the garage and munching on some Kix cereal.
 
2013-07-01 03:01:56 AM

ghostfacekillahrabbit: OgreMagi: Race card or not, I hope the garage-porch conversion idea gets a permit process. It seems like an outstanding idea, and a cure for the kind of places where you never see your neighbors, because they drive into the garage at the end of their commute and don't emerge until the next morning.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the garage "patio" conversion. I'm just sick of the cry of racism every time something is different here.

In this case its not different here, tho. I'm white as shiate, in born and raised in a white as shiate neighborhood in the upper midwest, and people use their garages as patio space all summer long with no problem from anyone. I have no idea if this case is an anti-arab issue or not from one article, but its not irrational for that to be at least a hypothesis.worth testing.


-OR- it could be that they could remove the sliding glass doors so a car could be parked inside, and remove any illegal wiring and plumbing, and the problem will be solved.
 
2013-07-01 03:04:25 AM
In the nicest neighborhood around here, where the McMansions run around $450k, everyone hangs out in their garage with the door open, watching football and grilling on the front slab. They all wave at each other and talk about the game. Halloween there is epic. These are all middle class folks, mostly wasps, with a HOA. Generally, the rule is that you can't cook in there or have anyone sleeping in there. But of course they're safe to be in. You park there, do laundry in there, work on cars or build projects... I don't care for the "racist card" when it's uncalled for, but this really just sounds like a bunch of snooty jerks that don't like Arabs in TFA.
 
2013-07-01 03:04:44 AM
We need Popcorn Johnno's input. I'm sure he knows.
 
2013-07-01 03:05:26 AM

Well Armed Sheep: I'm posting this from my bed in the garage and munching on some Kix cereal.


Congratulations! You're a Muslim now.
 
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