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(CBS News)   Stephen King talks about his abandoned 20-year-old novella featuring the one place on Earth so terrifying "not even Superman can go"   (cbsnews.com) divider line 85
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2013-07-01 09:13:35 AM  

KhamanV: liam76: stoli n coke: Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars

I am pretty sure my parents have a copy...

I have a collection of the four Bachman books that used to be sold at Border's something like fifteen, twenty years ago.  Running Man, The Long Walk, Roadwork, and Rage.  Won't ever get rid of it.  I understand him wanting Rage out of print, but it's a pretty good, pretty upsetting yarn. It's like if you smashed Lord of the Flies into one schoolroom.


I wish I could find a version of Rage.  I remember enjoying it as a kid.... I just wonder how well it holds up 20 years later.
 
2013-07-01 09:21:35 AM  
I do think he's overly harsh on Rose Madder, a novel I like quite a bit (certainly more than Desperation and The Regulators from the next year).

Also, looks like my library system has a few copies of the omnibus that has Rage.  I'll have to give that a read.
 
2013-07-01 09:22:49 AM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: This guy is one of the best writers of our time, I don't care what anyone thinks. Love all his work, even the dogs...

/I'm looking at you Cell.


Oh god, really? Did you eat paint chips, or is it the constant huffing?

I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.
 
2013-07-01 09:24:34 AM  
Just started book two in The Dark Tower.  Interesting change of pace.
 
2013-07-01 09:26:02 AM  

kroonermanblack: I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.


No worse than Dean Koontz, his shiat is so predictable I've been able to predict down to the page number when characters die
 
2013-07-01 09:36:29 AM  

Saiga410: I wish I could find a version of Rage.


You can.  Just Google "Stephen King Rage ebook".

/still have my print copy, so I don't have the need
 
2013-07-01 09:37:30 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: kroonermanblack: I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.

No worse than Dean Koontz, his shiat is so predictable I've been able to predict down to the page number when characters die


I never enjoyed Dean Koontz, but love nearly all of King's and Peter Straub's also. Ghost Story is still the scariest book I've ever read.
 
2013-07-01 10:11:55 AM  

Gunny Highway: Just started book two in The Dark Tower.  Interesting change of pace.


You will love it so much.... Until....
 
2013-07-01 10:27:21 AM  

Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


You've obviously never had to clean one...
 
2013-07-01 10:52:39 AM  
Where does this, "Stephen King can't write good endings," meme originate? I've read several of his works and didn't think they ended all that bad. Is this problem just with certain works?
 
2013-07-01 11:05:37 AM  

stoli n coke: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


Period sprunts.


Sprunt - wasn't that what George Carlin wanted to call his brand of feminine deodorant spray?
 
2013-07-01 11:31:02 AM  

verbaltoxin: Where does this, "Stephen King can't write good endings," meme originate? I've read several of his works and didn't think they ended all that bad. Is this problem just with certain works?


It's not all his work. It's the ones that start so promising. The previously mentioned space spider in "It," the hand of god in "The Stand," the source of the dome in "Under the Dome..."

When you commit to read a thousand page book, you put some level of faith in the author to make the ultimate destination worthwhile. When King stumbles, it can be downright infuriating. But it must be said that most of the time the journey itself is pretty fun

/Joyland was enjoyable, and had an appropriately bittersweet ending
 
2013-07-01 11:44:26 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life. That'd be some actual Noir stuff.


You'd be a shiatty writer.
 
2013-07-01 11:50:13 AM  

stoli n coke: No argument there, but we have to remember, he's a pulp writer. A very good pulp writer, but a pulp writer nonetheless. He just happened to get in the game at the right time and secure himself a massive distribution deal, so he sells more than the other writers on his caliber.


King is one of the best writers who ever lived. He doesn't sell millions of books because he has a good distribution deal, dude. He is massively under-rated, usually by lit snobs who couldn't write their way out of trash cans.

Having said that, the motherfarker don't know how to write an ending, for sure. When I read his stuff, it reminds me of a high school creative writing assignment, almost. It starts out very detailed and absorbing. He's obviously spent a lot of time on the set up, but by the end, its like he's rushing to get it done so he can turn it in on time, and it shows.
 
2013-07-01 12:08:56 PM  

Madbassist1: stoli n coke: No argument there, but we have to remember, he's a pulp writer. A very good pulp writer, but a pulp writer nonetheless. He just happened to get in the game at the right time and secure himself a massive distribution deal, so he sells more than the other writers on his caliber.

King is one of the best writers who ever lived. He doesn't sell millions of books because he has a good distribution deal, dude. He is massively under-rated, usually by lit snobs who couldn't write their way out of trash cans.

Having said that, the motherfarker don't know how to write an ending, for sure. When I read his stuff, it reminds me of a high school creative writing assignment, almost. It starts out very detailed and absorbing. He's obviously spent a lot of time on the set up, but by the end, its like he's rushing to get it done so he can turn it in on time, and it shows.


King often admits that he starts with characters and a premise, and doesn't plan out where it's going to go afterwards.
 
2013-07-01 12:19:49 PM  

verbaltoxin: King often admits that he starts with characters and a premise, and doesn't plan out where it's going to go afterwards.


Which is why very often the ending requires the instant interaction of some extraordinary force to essentially shoe horn the book into finality.

Now having that said, I'll still read the shiat because when it comes to characters and moments he can create them. It's kind of like having to get a smack on the hand with a ruler after you eat cake.....but the cake is so god damn tasty.
 
2013-07-01 12:22:33 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

I really want to know.

Then we can do it, because frankly, nothing much goes on in there besides repairing makeup and fluffing hair. I wanna start having some FUN.


I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-07-01 12:25:06 PM  
Popular artists are bad.
 
2013-07-01 12:35:01 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: verbaltoxin: King often admits that he starts with characters and a premise, and doesn't plan out where it's going to go afterwards.

Which is why very often the ending requires the instant interaction of some extraordinary force to essentially shoe horn the book into finality.

Now having that said, I'll still read the shiat because when it comes to characters and moments he can create them. It's kind of like having to get a smack on the hand with a ruler after you eat cake.....but the cake is so god damn tasty.


What's funny is many other genre writers have this exact, same problem. Unlike King, they turned their endless stories into series, and get their fans to come back again and again for conclusion-less, character-filled chronicles.

/King eventually realized the brilliance in this, and started the Dark Tower series.
 
2013-07-01 01:05:11 PM  

ambercat: BadReligion: ongbok: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

My worst fear would be walking into the ladies room and walking in on the woman who has been the object of all of my sexual fantasies loudly grunting as she is pinching off a huge stinking terd. And the worst part of it is after she finishes taking a crap she walks out without wiping or washing her hands.


The best part is it was terrible diarrhea, and she splattered it all over the toilet, and she didn't even flush.

No wait, I can do one better. She pulls a bloody tampon out, throws it on the floor, farts, wipes the blood off her hands with toilet paper,THEN lets loose with the poop.

And doesn't wash her hands on the way out.


Much better.
 
2013-07-01 01:06:14 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: kroonermanblack: I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.

No worse than Dean Koontz, his shiat is so predictable I've been able to predict down to the page number when characters die


The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

/the other books in that series are hit-or-miss though
 
2013-07-01 01:20:31 PM  
The My Little Pony Killer:  The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy?  I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry.  But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.
 
2013-07-01 01:53:33 PM  

barefoot princess: Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy? I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry. But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.


One of his few shining gems, but then a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then

verbaltoxin: What's funny is many other genre writers have this exact, same problem. Unlike King, they turned their endless stories into series, and get their fans to come back again and again for conclusion-less, character-filled chronicles.

/King eventually realized the brilliance in this, and started the Dark Tower series.


mindblown.gif

I hadn't thought of looking at it like that
 
2013-07-01 02:09:42 PM  

barefoot princess: The My Little Pony Killer:  The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy?  I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry.  But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.


I love his conspiracy angles, but he's pretty hokey. I just finished "Moonlight Mind" I think, which is his take on a gothic novel. Not bad, but predictable. His best stuff is likely Sole Survivor, Servants of Twilight, or Dragon Tears.
 
2013-07-01 02:14:24 PM  
I was familiar with that idea of the bathroom from King to the extent, i had thought i had actually read it 20 years ago..... I must've only read another interview in which he talked about it....

Bachman books is great. i have paperback and hardback, containing all 4 of the original stories...   Roadwork, which previously was my least favorite as a teenager, really affected me differently as an adult.  I liked it a lot.
 
2013-07-01 03:00:19 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: barefoot princess: Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy? I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry. But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.

One of his few shining gems, but then a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then

verbaltoxin: What's funny is many other genre writers have this exact, same problem. Unlike King, they turned their endless stories into series, and get their fans to come back again and again for conclusion-less, character-filled chronicles.

/King eventually realized the brilliance in this, and started the Dark Tower series.

mindblown.gif

I hadn't thought of looking at it like that


Yep. I am an aspiring writer myself. I correspond with other writers, and the two rules of thumb if you want to make any dough as a writer are to start a series, and make it a YA (young adult) one.

So Amazon is flooded with terrible, self-published YA series starring the most specialest girl in the world and her angel/vampire/werewolf boyfriend.
 
2013-07-01 03:32:05 PM  

verbaltoxin: So Amazon is flooded with terrible, self-published YA series starring the most specialest girl in the world and her angel/vampire/werewolf boyfriend.


If there is one thing we do well as humans, it's find an ok idea and turn it into a shiatty one
 
2013-07-01 03:33:16 PM  

barefoot princess: The My Little Pony Killer:  The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy?  I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry.  But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.


I read the first one. It's decent, but he also had a co-author for those ones.
 
2013-07-01 04:21:56 PM  

Jim_Callahan: That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.


He usually saves that stuff for the short stories. I didn't really think about it until I read your post, but it's probably why a lot of people like the short stories better than the novels.
 
2013-07-01 05:02:45 PM  

sorebones: Jim_Callahan: That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.

He usually saves that stuff for the short stories. I didn't really think about it until I read your post, but it's probably why a lot of people like the short stories better than the novels.


Except it wouldn't work in this particular situation. Given as described, you've still got a bunch of characters who just witnessed this event, in the middle of what we can assume is a busy airport. Any reader would demand what happened next. You can get away with that if it's a cabin in the woods but you can't abandon your cast right when things get interesting.
 
2013-07-01 09:22:25 PM  

quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway.

The Wayne LaPierre pimp slap was an unexpected bonus.


He thinks book control is a good idea.
 
2013-07-01 10:07:46 PM  
Is self-censorship as bad as censorship?  King claims "Rage" was read or at least owned by kids planning on shooting up their school.  Cat's out of the bag - why does pulling the book change anything?  Does he think kids were watching the 10 O'Clock news, heard about Columbine and they're thinking "That doesn't really affect me.  But that 20 year old novel Steven King wrote under a pseudonym..."
 
2013-07-01 10:14:32 PM  

HemlockStones: Is self-censorship as bad as censorship?  King claims "Rage" was read or at least owned by kids planning on shooting up their school.  Cat's out of the bag - why does pulling the book change anything?  Does he think kids were watching the 10 O'Clock news, heard about Columbine and they're thinking "That doesn't really affect me.  But that 20 year old novel Steven King wrote under a pseudonym..."


Hey if I wrote a book I'd feel terrible about it showing up like that too. I think King's reasoning was personal and appropriate. He just didn't want his stuff being a part of it.
 
2013-07-02 12:15:15 AM  

HemlockStones: Is self-censorship as bad as censorship?  King claims "Rage" was read or at least owned by kids planning on shooting up their school.  Cat's out of the bag - why does pulling the book change anything?  Does he think kids were watching the 10 O'Clock news, heard about Columbine and they're thinking "That doesn't really affect me.  But that 20 year old novel Steven King wrote under a pseudonym..."


If an author wants to remove his work from publication, that's his right.  In this case, it probably helps King sleep at night.  Authors usually usually pull crappy first books (ask Neal Stephenson why The Big U was out of publication for years), and there may have been some of that in this case, as King says he wrote it when he was in high school and finished it in college.

And by driving the price up for any copy, it becomes extremely unlikely that it will stay out of the hands of teens, who don't have that sort of money to spend on a paperback.
 
2013-07-02 07:35:09 AM  
German author Walter Moers already answered all there is to know about what happens in the ladies room
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